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jeffreys48
08-07-2005, 03:45 PM
I am trying to figure out what's going on. My car is less than a month old. Its a 05 M3 vert.

When put into reverse, the right hand mirror tilts down some of the time but not all of the time. Is there some sequence that makes it not work versus other times.

It comes and goes. Wasn't sure if its messed up or doing what it suppossed to.

Amyone else see this?

--Jeffrey

patton03m3
08-07-2005, 04:23 PM
Depends on the position of the switch to adjust both side mirrors. I'm not sure what position is what...should be in the manual.

e36M3r
08-07-2005, 09:32 PM
Yes, and to make it just a tad more complicated, there is a key code option to slightly change the behavior. But in general, move the driver/passenger rear view adjustment switch to the passenger side to use the function or to drivers side to turn it off. (Unless your dealer set the option to "inactive" in that case the mirrors STILL move, but directly to the lowest position and not adjustable, in that case do the reverse and move it to the passenger side to turn it off and the drivers side to turn it on!!! :rofl:

My car was delivered in Europe in the Active position, then my dealer stateside put it to Inactive before I picked it up, I then had them put it back to active. Here's the text from the key programming guide, which only the dealer can do.

The position for the passenger-side exterior mirror for the automatic parking function can
be stored for each key individually. If “active” is selected and the mirror adjustment switch is set to “passenger-side”, the passenger-side mirror will be automatically moved to the pre-selected position when in reverse gear. To store the “pre-set” position, adjust
manually passenger–side mirror while reverse gear is engaged.

If “active is selected and the mirror switch is set to “driver’s-side”, the automatic parking
function is deactivated. If “inactive” is selected and the mirror adjustment switch is set to “drive’s-side”, the passenger-side mirror is automatically moved to the lowest possible position when in reverse gear. Selecting the “passenger-side mirror” with the adjustment switch, deactivates the automatic parking function.

Cowboy Bebop
08-07-2005, 10:21 PM
most M3's come from the factory in the "Inactive" position... go figure... getting the dealer to make it "active" can be an exercise in extreme futility!

yelllow
08-08-2005, 09:56 AM
i've had the same problem before or so i thought it was a problem. all you have to do is move the switch to adjust the two side mirrors to the left (the position to adjust the driver side mirror) that should do the trick

e36M3r
08-08-2005, 11:57 AM
i've had the same problem before or so i thought it was a problem. all you have to do is move the switch to adjust the two side mirrors to the left (the position to adjust the driver side mirror) that should do the trick

Yep, as CB said, yours is set to "inactive" (bad wording likely) thus the drivers side positioning. That appears to be the way NA dealers like to set it. In that setup the mirror moves straight down to the lowest position possible when in reverse, then back up when in N or a forward gear.

Indy330Ci
08-08-2005, 01:51 PM
Another semi-related point I learned by mistake: Don't set your seat memory while the car is in reverse! I had backed out of my garage and decided to set my memory while still in reverse, and didn't pay attention for a few miles until I noticed my passenger mirror was all the way down. Took my a bit to realize what had happened!

zentenn
08-23-2005, 09:29 AM
Yes, and to make it just a tad more complicated, there is a key code option to slightly change the behavior. But in general, move the driver/passenger rear view adjustment switch to the passenger side to use the function or to drivers side to turn it off. (Unless your dealer set the option to "inactive" in that case the mirrors STILL move, but directly to the lowest position and not adjustable, in that case do the reverse and move it to the passenger side to turn it off and the drivers side to turn it on!!! :rofl:

My car was delivered in Europe in the Active position, then my dealer stateside put it to Inactive before I picked it up, I then had them put it back to active. Here's the text from the key programming guide, which only the dealer can do.

The position for the passenger-side exterior mirror for the automatic parking function can
be stored for each key individually. If “active” is selected and the mirror adjustment switch is set to “passenger-side”, the passenger-side mirror will be automatically moved to the pre-selected position when in reverse gear. To store the “pre-set” position, adjust
manually passenger–side mirror while reverse gear is engaged.

If “active is selected and the mirror switch is set to “driver’s-side”, the automatic parking
function is deactivated. If “inactive” is selected and the mirror adjustment switch is set to “drive’s-side”, the passenger-side mirror is automatically moved to the lowest possible position when in reverse gear. Selecting the “passenger-side mirror” with the adjustment switch, deactivates the automatic parking function.

Is there a way to adjust the passenger mirror to not go all the way down while in reverse? If so, can I do this on my own or do I have to go to the dealer?

I've always thought the mirror went so far down it's very difficult to see where I'm backing up to. If it went to something like 50% down it would be much better

e36M3r
08-23-2005, 10:03 AM
Is there a way to adjust the passenger mirror to not go all the way down while in reverse? If so, can I do this on my own or do I have to go to the dealer?

I've always thought the mirror went so far down it's very difficult to see where I'm backing up to. If it went to something like 50% down it would be much better

If the switch is in the "Active" position (ie: mirror goes down in reverse when switch is to passenger side) then yes, you adjust the mirror to where you want it (ie: 50%) while in reverse then it will go back there each time.

If the mirror drops in reverse with switch to drivers side, then Inactive is set in the key memory (like car options) and it by default drops down all the way. In this case your dealer will have to reset that option to "active". They will likely charge you for this. Perhaps if you do it at a scheduled service, they may be nice and comp you.

I find even with active set, I drop the mirror basically all the way, as you can see the 50% stuff normally. Thus you can see the curb and avoid hitting it, which is obviously what BMW had in mind as seen by the default action.

zentenn
08-23-2005, 11:49 AM
If the switch is in the "Active" position (ie: mirror goes down in reverse when switch is to passenger side) then yes, you adjust the mirror to where you want it (ie: 50%) while in reverse then it will go back there each time.

Hmmm, interesting. I think mine is in the Active position. Are you saying all I have to do is adjust the mirror the way I want it to be and it will remember this setting. Do I adjust the mirror with my hand or use the switch? I'm not sure if I can adjust the mirror with the switch in the passenger side while in reverse and the mirror angled down, but I've never tried to change the angle while it was in the down position. :dunno: I tried to do what you're saying but I didn't do something right because it just went back to the same angle.

This whole thing had bothered the heck out of me since I've had the car :mad: and I really want to get to the bottom of this

Thanks for your help. :thumbup:

e36M3r
08-23-2005, 12:15 PM
If keycode is set to "Active": Turn key on (2) - Put switch to passenger side, put car in reverse. (Mirror should move unless it is set exactly to the normal position) , using the normal mirror adjusting switch, adjust the mirror to where you want it to be in reverse, thats it. When you take the car out of reverse, the mirror should go back to the normal driving position, and then back to where you just left it, when you put it in reverse. Very simple.

LDV330i
08-23-2005, 12:18 PM
Losing the ability for the passenger side mirror to tilt down on reverse seems to be a pretty common problem. For a while it seemed to be the subject of many threads. I came up with a solution that has worked ever since I implemented it. It appears that after while seems the passenger side mirror seems to “forget” to dip. I noticed that after messing around with its position it would work for a while again.



I have liked to move the seat back before getting out. I automated this function by inputting the rear position for the seat in Memory 3. In trying to resolve the mirror issue I decide that maybe as part of moving the seat back I would include moving the mirror ever so slightly. This way the mirror would not “forget" to dip on reverse. Problem solved, 1 year later no problems at all.

zentenn
08-23-2005, 01:19 PM
If keycode is set to "Active": Turn key on (2) - Put switch to passenger side, put car in reverse. (Mirror should move unless it is set exactly to the normal position) , using the normal mirror adjusting switch, adjust the mirror to where you want it to be in reverse, thats it. When you take the car out of reverse, the mirror should go back to the normal driving position, and then back to where you just left it, when you put it in reverse. Very simple.

This is what the service manager was trying to tell me. Of course, by the time I got into the car and drove home I forgot what he said. I'll check this out as soon as I get out of work. If this works, and I think it will, I'll forever be in debt to you. :bow:

Cowboy Bebop
08-23-2005, 10:37 PM
what e36M3r said - except to finish the position memory settings, after you adjust the mirror to the desired position, TURN THE KEY OFF.

that will stor the settings in the memory.

I have min set to go halfway down, then in towards the body a bit. I find that works well for me.

zentenn
08-24-2005, 09:46 AM
what e36M3r said - except to finish the position memory settings, after you adjust the mirror to the desired position, TURN THE KEY OFF.

that will stor the settings in the memory.

I have min set to go halfway down, then in towards the body a bit. I find that works well for me.

Ok, last night after work I tried what was said before but it just didn't want to remember the setting. I'll give this a try,

Thanks :thumbup:

zentenn
08-24-2005, 03:36 PM
what e36M3r said - except to finish the position memory settings, after you adjust the mirror to the desired position, TURN THE KEY OFF.

that will stor the settings in the memory.

I have min set to go halfway down, then in towards the body a bit. I find that works well for me.


Cowboy, Thanks very much for your information. I did what you said today after work and I worked :thumbup:

I'm thrilled :freakdanc

Doesn't take much sometimes, thanks again

Once again, Bimmerfest rules :thumbup:

Cowboy Bebop
08-24-2005, 10:25 PM
all part of the friendly service here at Bimmerfest :thumbup:

zentenn
08-25-2005, 12:56 PM
all part of the friendly service here at Bimmerfest :thumbup:

Guess what, this morning when I got in to go to work the mirror went all the way down again :mad: :dunno: :mad: :dunno: :dunno:

WTF!!

I'll give it another try later today :cry:

Cowboy Bebop
08-25-2005, 12:58 PM
Guess what, this morning when I got in to go to work the mirror went all the way down again :mad: :dunno: :mad: :dunno: :dunno:

WTF!!

I'll give it another try later today :cry:

One fellow I knew had the same thing happen to him, solved that by Locking the car After turning the key off and removing it from the Ignition... without getting out of the car.

keep us posted.

zentenn
08-26-2005, 05:01 PM
One fellow I knew had the same thing happen to him, solved that by Locking the car After turning the key off and removing it from the Ignition... without getting out of the car.

You're kidding right?

:rofl: I guess I'll give that a try. I'll let you know what happens. When do I do the sacred passenger mirror dance? ;)

e36M3r
08-26-2005, 05:58 PM
All that extra stuff sounds like non-sense. I just adjust mine to where I want it while it's in reverse, and it goes back there the next time. Obviously I turn off the car later on, and that's when the position gets saved to the key.

Are you sure you have that keycode set to "active", ie: the mirror moves in reverse when the mirror selector is to the passenger side.

Cowboy Bebop
08-26-2005, 09:46 PM
it must be if he is adjusting it in R,Can't adjust it if the switch is in the left position.

Not kidding, Locking the car is when it actually stores the info.

Have you sacraficed the goat yet?

zentenn
08-27-2005, 06:08 AM
All that extra stuff sounds like non-sense. I just adjust mine to where I want it while it's in reverse, and it goes back there the next time. Obviously I turn off the car later on, and that's when the position gets saved to the key.

Are you sure you have that keycode set to "active", ie: the mirror moves in reverse when the mirror selector is to the passenger side.

Hmmm, I guess it's not in the active mode because it DOESN'T move while in reverse if the mirror selector is to the passenger side. It only moves when it's to the driver side.

So, if this is the case, do I have to get it "activated" by the dealer, or is it something I can do?

Cowboy Bebop
08-27-2005, 09:44 AM
yes.
In the Inactive position the mirror will only move when in the Drivers position and thus if you switch the position to the passenger side the mirror will pull back into normal setting. when Active, the positions of the switch are reversed so that it only moves in the Passenger position
most come to the US in the Inactive position... FYI, don't think that you listed all your options, but if you don't havethe Premium Package or the Power seat option it will never work.
the mirror settings are part of the Seat Memory settings.

good luck with the dealer though... most can't seem to figure this simple feature out.
It is a simple computer setting that needs be changed, no big deal, and likely they can be induced to do it for free since the car is new.
If they are real asshats they might charge you the Minimum service interval (30 min) or about $45 or so.

zentenn
08-27-2005, 01:50 PM
I did take it to the dealer and he said it couldn't be adjusted. Of course I told him the owners manual says it can be. Anyway, they did make a slight adjustment and I do mean slight.

THe last time I was there, he pointed to the page in the book that... I guess, he thinks tells you how to do it. But I read it and I don't see where it actually tells you how to make the adjustment. The only thing it has is the icon that says it can be changed.

I'll have to talk to them about making it active. This is the switch we're talking about being active, correct?

e36M3r
08-27-2005, 05:27 PM
the dealer and he said it couldn't be adjusted.

As CB said, and what I said to start this thread, it must have the 'active' setting, then the mirror moves when the driver/passenger rear view mirror selector (for adjusting) switch is set to passenger. (see my second post where I actually quoted the BMW settings document).

Now you are saying it only moves when it is set to driver. That means the keycode setting is set to 'inactive' (as I said before BAD Naming, as it still works, ie: DOES SOMETHING) in this case, it move the mirror all the way down, ie: straight down to the lowest position, so you can see the curb, and help prevent yourself from scrapping up your wheels.

Your dealer is correct with this keycode setting, there is no adjustment. I don't know if 325's have the option to set this to 'active'. Don't let the terminology throw you, the inactive setting does work also, and almost all 3 series are set that way by BMW-NA.

I think we are now repeating ourselves on this thread, and the answers were given in full in posts 2 and 3.

Cowboy Bebop
08-27-2005, 09:37 PM
one last thing... it can NOT be done by you following any kind of instructions, THEY MUST hook the car up to the service Computer and make the change in the software settings!
this is not a hardware issue.
As I said, most dealers are just plain "ignrnt"!

zentenn
08-28-2005, 06:06 AM
Ok, I just reread all the posts in this thread, then went out to my car and indeed the switch is set in the inactive position. So eventhough I am not able to change the mirror postioning myself I want to thank both you for helping educated me in this matter. I think it's kinda silly that you can't make the adjustment more easily. I think it's a great feature, but in it's current configuration it seems rather usless. Oh sure I can see the curb directly next to me, but if I"m just backing up I could hit something since I can't see behind me. So in conclusion, I will talk to my SA the next time I go in and see if he can put the switch into the "active" setting.

Thanks again :thumbup:

16hr Day
08-28-2005, 09:22 AM
If the switch is in the "Active" position (ie: mirror goes down in reverse when switch is to passenger side) then yes, you adjust the mirror to where you want it (ie: 50%) while in reverse then it will go back there each time.

If the mirror drops in reverse with switch to drivers side, then Inactive is set in the key memory (like car options) and it by default drops down all the way. In this case your dealer will have to reset that option to "active". They will likely charge you for this. Perhaps if you do it at a scheduled service, they may be nice and comp you.

I find even with active set, I drop the mirror basically all the way, as you can see the 50% stuff normally. Thus you can see the curb and avoid hitting it, which is obviously what BMW had in mind as seen by the default action.

Its amazing. I took mine to the dealer after I had it activated to adjust it so it didn't look so far to the ground in a useless position. How come the dealer didn't know this? they couldn't figure out how to make it adjust only 50%. I had just given up. Thanks E36r, still have to meet up some day

Cowboy Bebop
08-28-2005, 10:30 AM
Its amazing. I took mine to the dealer after I had it activated to adjust it so it didn't look so far to the ground in a useless position. How come the dealer didn't know this? they couldn't figure out how to make it adjust only 50%. I had just given up. Thanks E36r, still have to meet up some day


Not sure what you are saying there... "took mine to the dealer AFTER I had it activated"-
why would you need to take it back after you had this done?
after it is changed, it is easy to adjust yourself... :dunno:

16hr Day
08-28-2005, 10:42 AM
Not sure what you are saying there... "took mine to the dealer AFTER I had it activated"-
why would you need to take it back after you had this done?
after it is changed, it is easy to adjust yourself... :dunno:

After it was activated I brought it back because it would tip too far down to be of any real use. Nobody at the dealership knew how to adjust the height of the mirror. There is metion of it's adjustment in the manual, but no directions on how to adjust it.

zentenn
08-28-2005, 10:56 AM
Sounds familiar, huh?

Cowboy Bebop
08-28-2005, 09:52 PM
After it was activated I brought it back because it would tip too far down to be of any real use. Nobody at the dealership knew how to adjust the height of the mirror. There is metion of it's adjustment in the manual, but no directions on how to adjust it.


not to beat a dead horse, but if it drops all the way down the software is set to "Inactive" and it will not work.
Only when the dealer changes the software settings will it more with the switch in the right (passenger) side position.
The switch MUST be in the passenger position in order to adjust the mirror to the position you desire.
If you put the car in Reverse and the Switch (mirror adjustment switch on armrest) in the Passenger position and it doesn't move the Software is set to Inactive.

Bob Clevenger
08-29-2005, 12:54 AM
After the dealer sets the tilt mirror to "Active" its default setting is still all the way down. It is now adjustable, but the owners manual is less than helpful on this subject. If your dealer doesn't know how to adjust it (and it seems that many don't) you are left to experimentation or places like Bimmerfest.com.

Cowboy Bebop
08-29-2005, 10:34 AM
too true, the dealers can't even figure out that it can be made active, and many simply state flat out that adjusting the tilt is impossible!
However.com, if it is active, it will adjust just the same way as any other mirror.

the manual is just plain worthless on this point.

I used to have a printout of the steps involved that I had one of the BMW Techs print out for me explaining how this is done and I passed that around on the boards for some time but it was lost in a heavy surge lightning strike last year... heavy sigh.

Bottom line, it is dead easy to adjust yourself once you convince the dealers that it is indeed something that BMW included/intended, and not some pipe dream.

zentenn
08-29-2005, 11:58 AM
I hear ya Cowboy. I'll have to see what I can do down here. :tsk:

Thanks

16hr Day
08-29-2005, 10:58 PM
After the dealer sets the tilt mirror to "Active" its default setting is still all the way down. It is now adjustable, but the owners manual is less than helpful on this subject. If your dealer doesn't know how to adjust it (and it seems that many don't) you are left to experimentation or places like Bimmerfest.com.
:stupid: exactly, mine is active but it wasn't until this thread that I realized you could adjust the amount of down angle. Consider this horse DEAD and BEATEN! :thumbup:

zentenn
08-30-2005, 05:33 AM
http://www.ansi.okstate.edu/breeds/horses/camargue/images/camargue-web-1.jpg :violent:

SofaKing
08-30-2005, 02:51 PM
I think if you Hit ABBUUDRRDABBCA you can rip there spine out and do a cool fatality!!

sfca-325i
08-30-2005, 06:13 PM
I brought the car in for its annual service (2 years old and 8600 miles). Asked them to activate the custom reverse mirror tilt and a couple other features. Picked up the car and all the programming got done, except for the custom reverse mirror tilt. To give the dealership credit, they told me to bring the car back in and they will try to figure out the right programming option, so car goes back in on Friday.

In the meantime, I dug up these instructions, which might help everyone else who wants to customize the reverse mirror tilt (normally my passenger mirror is adjusted all the way to the right and I would like, on reverse, for the mirror to adjust inward so that I can see the distance between my rear wheel and the curb):

Here is what they need to do to activate the custom reverse mirror tilt settings:

1. Connect the car to the DIS system.
2. Choose "1. Car Memory"
3. Choose "9. Seat/Mirror Memory"
4. Choose "2. Mirror Memory Automatic Kerb Parking Function"
5. Choose "1. Active" (It is set to "Inactive" by default)
6. Upload the new settings to the car.
7. Turn the ingnition off and then back on.
8. Disconnect the car from the DIS system.

To position the mirror:
1. Push the mirror selector switch to the passenger side.
2. Put the car in reverse. (The mirror should tilt down)
3. Adjust the mirror position to what ever makes you happy.
4. Put the car back into N or 1. (The mirror should tilt back up)

That's it. Now when ever you back up the mirror will adjust to your custom settings, instead of all the way down. Please note that the mirror adjustment selector switch must be set to the passenger side for this to work. This is opposite of the way it works by default.

zentenn
08-30-2005, 06:55 PM
Wow :thumbup: :thumbup:

Who said this was a dead horse? :dunno:


Scfa, let me be the first to say thank you :bow: :bow: for this information :D

I am totally amazed someone actually has the direction on how to activate the switch.

Now we can all get this problem resolved :wow:

I gotta print this out,

BTY, how is it that you have these instructions? :stickpoke

Thanks again

sfca-325i
08-30-2005, 08:52 PM
Wow :thumbup: :thumbup:



BTY, how is it that you have these instructions? :stickpoke

Thanks again


Did a Yahoo search on bmw AND m3 AND rear AND mirror AND tilt. Waded through about 100 hits and finally came across a roadfly post that linked to the instructions. The instructions actually date back to 2002!

So, 3 years later, service departments still DON'T know how to activate this feature.

LOL

Well, I emailed these instructions to my service advisor this evening. Hopefully, by Friday, I will be able to get this feature activated.

woo hoo

Cowboy Bebop
08-30-2005, 10:12 PM
yup!
those are the same instructions I had the tech print out.

the only thing it doesn't say is that you still have to turn the key off and lock the doors for the settings to be stored in Memory.

I had people who I gave that print out to take it to their dealer and they STILL told them it couldn't be done :mad:

some dealers!

RPsX5d
08-13-2011, 12:46 PM
Thank you for this EXCELLENT write-up, exactly the issue I wanted to resolve!

I have a 2011 X5 xDrive 35d. I asked the dealer to complete the steps you indicate in your post. Tech at the dealership told me these steps you quote only works for E53 style and mine is an E70. Further, for E70, the amount of tilt when in reverse is not adjustable - either by the dealer or the driver.

On my E70 model X5, to make the mirror tilt when in reverse, the switch on the driver door panel has to be on the "left" side. If I manually tilt it, the driver side mirror will tilt down. If I slide the switch to the passenger side and tilt the passenger side mirror down, it will not return to normal position when I shift out of reverse. To go back to "normal" position I have to press the seat memory button! Yes all of this gets tedious in a hurry!

Any idea what the dealer tech told me is correct? i.e. the steps you outline is not applicable to E70 X5.

Thanks a lot.


I brought the car in for its annual service (2 years old and 8600 miles). Asked them to activate the custom reverse mirror tilt and a couple other features. Picked up the car and all the programming got done, except for the custom reverse mirror tilt. To give the dealership credit, they told me to bring the car back in and they will try to figure out the right programming option, so car goes back in on Friday.

In the meantime, I dug up these instructions, which might help everyone else who wants to customize the reverse mirror tilt (normally my passenger mirror is adjusted all the way to the right and I would like, on reverse, for the mirror to adjust inward so that I can see the distance between my rear wheel and the curb):

Here is what they need to do to activate the custom reverse mirror tilt settings:

1. Connect the car to the DIS system.
2. Choose "1. Car Memory"
3. Choose "9. Seat/Mirror Memory"
4. Choose "2. Mirror Memory Automatic Kerb Parking Function"
5. Choose "1. Active" (It is set to "Inactive" by default)
6. Upload the new settings to the car.
7. Turn the ingnition off and then back on.
8. Disconnect the car from the DIS system.

To position the mirror:
1. Push the mirror selector switch to the passenger side.
2. Put the car in reverse. (The mirror should tilt down)
3. Adjust the mirror position to what ever makes you happy.
4. Put the car back into N or 1. (The mirror should tilt back up)

That's it. Now when ever you back up the mirror will adjust to your custom settings, instead of all the way down. Please note that the mirror adjustment selector switch must be set to the passenger side for this to work. This is opposite of the way it works by default.

ProRail
08-13-2011, 06:29 PM
Another semi-related point I learned by mistake: Don't set your seat memory while the car is in reverse! I had backed out of my garage and decided to set my memory while still in reverse, and didn't pay attention for a few miles until I noticed my passenger mirror was all the way down. Took my a bit to realize what had happened!

And you're telling everybody?

ProRail
08-13-2011, 06:33 PM
Yep, as CB said, yours is set to "inactive" (bad wording likely) thus the drivers side positioning. That appears to be the way NA dealers like to set it. In that setup the mirror moves straight down to the lowest position possible when in reverse, then back up when in N or a forward gear.

If the switch is set to RH mirror it will go to where you set it. IF the switch is set to LH mirror the RH mirror will respond to the Reverse command, because you haven't given other instructions.

ProRail
08-13-2011, 06:35 PM
:stupid: exactly, mine is active but it wasn't until this thread that I realized you could adjust the amount of down angle. Consider this horse DEAD and BEATEN! :thumbup:

Sorry for my input. I didn't see that this was an ancient thread. Apparently BMWs are much too complicated for many of their owners.