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Kaz
08-29-2002, 11:44 PM
http://www.ftcr.org/utilities/pr/pr002673.php3 (http://)

Sometimes I really hate 'activist' morons. :tsk:

Someone explain to me how any part of this actually makes sense.

Raffi
08-29-2002, 11:50 PM
Originally posted by Kaz
http://www.ftcr.org/utilities/pr/pr002673.php3 (http://)

Sometimes I really hate 'activist' morons. :tsk:

Someone explain to me how any part of this actually makes sense.

Doesn't make any friggin' sense - unless you drive a POS Saturn or other such POS american car and don't need high octane...:flipoff: It's bad enough the octane got lowered to 91...:mad:

·clyde·
08-30-2002, 06:11 AM
Originally posted by Kaz
http://www.ftcr.org/utilities/pr/pr002673.php3 (http://)

Sometimes I really hate 'activist' morons. :tsk:

Someone explain to me how any part of this actually makes sense.

And yet, I still want to move back to CA. :confused:

I see how it makes sense to their point of view. When you view the world through one specific paradigm, everything that doesn't fit is tossed as irrelevent. What they propose has a certain logic to it, but it completely ignores the fact that there are millions of cars in CA that require higher octane fuel.

Regarding gas prices...Remember about six years ago (give or take) when prices suddenly spiked about $.20/gallon for no apparent reason? About a year later there was an article in the LA Times about it. They said that Texaco increased the wholesale price by about $.18/gallon as an experiment. To maintain their profit margins, Texaco dealers increased prices about $.20/gallon. Sales did not fall off noticabley and it wasn't long before all the other suppliers followed suit.

Nick325xiT 5spd
08-30-2002, 06:43 AM
Originally posted by Clyde@work

What they propose has a certain logic to it, but it completely ignores the fact that there are millions of cars in CA that require higher octane fuel.

Not true, not true!

"All of the small percentage of vehicles actually requiring higher octane fuel could easily receive the octane-boost by pouring a small bottle of additive in the vehicle tank every other fill-up. "

·clyde·
08-30-2002, 06:52 AM
Originally posted by Nick325xiT 5spd


Not true, not true!

"All of the small percentage of vehicles actually requiring higher octane fuel could easily receive the octane-boost by pouring a small bottle of additive in the vehicle tank every other fill-up. "

Teach me to actually read each and every word :D

Nick325xiT 5spd
08-30-2002, 06:54 AM
Originally posted by Clyde@work


Teach me to actually read each and every word :D

Just doing my best to help you stay on the ball. :D

·clyde·
08-30-2002, 06:58 AM
Originally posted by Nick325xiT 5spd


Just doing my best to help you stay on the ball. :D

Shh...I'm reading...http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/read.gif

DougDogs
08-30-2002, 07:02 AM
I hate it when links don't work:thumbdwn: :mad: :banghead: :bigpimp:

·clyde·
08-30-2002, 07:07 AM
Originally posted by DougDogs
I hate it when links don't work:thumbdwn: :mad: :banghead: :bigpimp:

had to copy and paste.

Cliff
08-30-2002, 07:37 AM
This group is headed up by Harvey Rosenfield, whose bark is far louder than his bite (with the notable exception of prop 103, the passage of which continues to mystify me). Consider the pronouncements from this goup to be white noise.

Nat Brown
08-30-2002, 07:48 AM
Originally posted by Kaz
http://www.ftcr.org/utilities/pr/pr002673.php3 (http://)

Sometimes I really hate 'activist' morons. :tsk:

Someone explain to me how any part of this actually makes sense.

Good idea, but standardize on the highest octane fuel.

I would rather see this implemented by some insightful oil company, rather than legislated. You could market it as a "high performance" gas station. Sell only 93 octane fuel, stock the store with pricey octane boosters, racing fuel, and "Type R" stickers, maybe have a section of "Griot's" products, since they must have a monstrous profit margin on them, and locate stores in near target markets, possibly looking at current "high octane" demographics (might be a good idea for a current oil company "boutique" station). And hopefully sell the fuel below local competitors because of your insightful strategy. Anyway, just a pre-morning coffee idea.

--gary

bren
08-30-2002, 07:55 AM
It took a 2 year study for them to 'discover' this?

The majority of the higher gasoline prices in the West (adjusted for differences in state/local taxes) compared to the rest of the nation are attributable to inflated refiner profit margin

:banghead:

DougDogs
08-30-2002, 07:55 AM
Originally posted by Clyde@work


had to copy and paste.

same here....old habits from the .org:D

Galun
08-30-2002, 07:59 AM
This is such B S.......

We could easily have saved tons of money if we don't have to switch from MTBE to Ethanol.

"- replacing the three octane gasoline format (regular, midgrade, premium) with a single grade gasoline requirement (87 or 88) to increase storage capacities by increasing utilization of existing storage at refineries, pipelines, truck loading terminals, and service stations; "

Ok..... I don't think I need to say much about this one.

"- utilizing freed existing bulk storage formerly holding midgrade and premium as a publicly operated strategic reserve for gasoline components and ethanol; and "

Er....... the way I read this, it seems like they recommend shafting the owners of the cars that uses premium fuel for the beneift of cars that doesn't use premium fuel. Last time I checked we live in America, not a communist state.

"- utilizing the purchase power of state and local government to enter into contracts with outside refineries for regular supply to the strategic reserve as a means of increasing inventories and removing competitive insulation of the local refiners. "

Oh, they forgot to mention the fact that almost each state has a different spec for gasoline in their state. Blending gasoline is not like mixing a cocktail. They keep on talking about West Coast refiners having huge margins. Well, if selling to the West Coast has such great margins, wouldn't other refiners sell into the West Coast, IF THEY ARE CAPABLE OF DOING IT? They can't, because their refineries can't blend to California spec gasoline!!!

:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

Cliff
08-30-2002, 08:04 AM
Originally posted by Galun
We could easily have saved tons of money if we don't have to switch from MTBE to Ethanol.

The oil industry doesn't give a rat's ass about our saving money.

HOWEVER, Archer Daniels Midland and similar companies invested lots of money in bribes, er campaign contributions, to ensure that an oxygenate would be mandated for California's gas supply, despite the refiner's statements that they could dispence with an oxygenate and still meet air quality guidelines.

:tsk: :banghead:

Galun
08-30-2002, 08:07 AM
Originally posted by Cliff3


The oil industry doesn't give a rat's ass about our saving money.

HOWEVER, Archer Daniels Midland and similar companies invested lots of money in bribes, er campaign contributions, to ensure that an oxygenate would be mandated for California's gas supply, despite the refiner's statements that they could dispence with an oxygenate and still meet air quality guidelines.

:tsk: :banghead:

You said it bro, "campaign contributions".

Speaking of campaign contributions, have you ever heard of the CHP 11-99 foundation? If you haven't, search for it on the web. When I first read about it, I was :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: .

Cliff
08-30-2002, 08:14 AM
Originally posted by Galun
Speaking of campaign contributions, have you ever heard of the CHP 11-99 foundation? If you haven't, search for it on the web. When I first read about it, I was :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: .

So for $1800 bux, I get a brass get out of jail "free" card (and a handsome plaque for my den, and a warm and fuzzy (pun intended) feeling in my heart)?

Galun
08-30-2002, 09:25 AM
Originally posted by Cliff3


So for $1800 bux, I get a brass get out of jail "free" card (and a handsome plaque for my den, and a warm and fuzzy (pun intended) feeling in my heart)?

Seems like you also need to donate vacations, dinners, opera tickets, etc........

But I really like thier setup. The "registration holder" is an excellent idea - when CHP ask for your registration you just hand them the whole "registration holder" with the brass membership card. Very neat.

Cliff
08-30-2002, 09:51 AM
Originally posted by Galun
Seems like you also need to donate vacations, dinners, opera tickets, etc........

Donor Information for Golf Tournaments and other events:


Our numerous events require the support of our members for special prizes donated for our drawings and auctions. Some examples of gifts that spark lots of interest:
• Resort homes: If you have a beautiful mountain, ocean, or desert resort home, donating it for a weekend or a week is a great auction item.
• Travel: Continental US, Hawaii, Mexico, Bahamas, International airline or cruise tickets for a couple (or perhaps you have excess air miles that could be redeemed for a fun/exotic trip).
• Beautiful Hotels/Resorts, 2 or 3 or 5 night stays, Lake Tahoe, Las Vegas, Reno, The Caribbean, Hawaii, Paris.
• Sporting events: tickets for professional or college events, i.e.. The Super Bowl, The Rose Bowl, or Giants, Oakland A's, Dodgers, Padres, 49ers, Raiders, Chargers, Sharks, Ducks, Kings, Lakers, Warriors, Clippers; or providing a trip for two to travel with a team, stay at the team's hotel, and eat with the players; spring training packages.
• Jewelry: always gets the ladies (and the guys) attention.
• Golf packages for four at beautiful private golf clubs (the more difficult it is to receive an invitation, the more valuable it becomes to the purchaser).
• Dinner packages at 4 and 5 star restaurants as well as very nice dinner houses all make great donations.
• A night out at the theater or symphony combined with a dinner package and a one night stay at a lovely hotel makes a wonderful package.
• Wines and beer for the event itself saves the foundation from having to purchase it; or donate some for the auction.
• If you are involved with the clothing industry and would like to donate jackets, golf shoes, sweaters, pullovers, etc. for 150, 200, or 250 players, you would be doing something special to enhance the 11-99's success.
• TVs, stereos, CD players, DVD's, and the like to become a financial sponsor to an event, the 11-99 gladly provides publicity for your donation of cash or prizes.

I didn't get to that page. :tsk: :lmao:

rwg
08-30-2002, 10:40 AM
"- utilizing freed existing bulk storage formerly holding midgrade and premium as a publicly operated strategic reserve for gasoline components and ethanol; and "


Publically operated strategic reserve? Sounds like they are talking about seizing equipment worth millions of dollars for no real reason other than to try and turn CA into a socialist state with price controls. If you want to regulate the industry, fine. Regulate it. Don't try and regulate prices. It won't work - and we have proved it in the past with the beef industry if I recall correctly.

"watchdog group" my ass.

Nat Brown
08-30-2002, 10:47 AM
Originally posted by rwg
"- utilizing freed existing bulk storage formerly holding midgrade and premium as a publicly operated strategic reserve for gasoline components and ethanol; and "


Publically operated strategic reserve? Sounds like they are talking about seizing equipment worth millions of dollars for no real reason other than to try and turn CA into a socialist state with price controls. If you want to regulate the industry, fine. Regulate it. Don't try and regulate prices. It won't work - and we have proved it in the past with the beef industry if I recall correctly.

"watchdog group" my ass.

Then again, there is that small electricity debacle.... :mad:

I'm all for "watchdog groups" that attempt to reign in amoral corporate behavior, since no one else seems to care about human beings, but these guys obviously have their heads where the sun don't shine.

--gary