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blackdawg
09-07-2002, 06:10 AM
i dunno if this author is one of "us", but he points out the rather obvious points that we've all discussed in abundance.

from its on-paper specifications, the car is found wanting.

PhilH
09-07-2002, 06:20 AM
I don't think any newspaper has a real car enthusiast writing for them. I totally disregard all newspaper articles about cars, and frequently laugh at how badly they are written. The guy writing the review could be doing movie reviews for USA Today in another month.

blackdawg
09-07-2002, 06:47 AM
the author had a pretty good background and made some decent points which were all hard-data based.

the benchmarks were the s2000, the m coupe and the boxster dynamically.

i disregard the built-in editorializing personally, but this is yet another article which asks the same question: with that sort of performance, where is the zip?

obviously the writer also DROVE the car, which is more than i can say for most of us, and he noted the high degree of understeer in the car.

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/09/08/automobiles/08AUTO.html

here is the link to the article. it's written by tony swan. maybe you've heard of him. ( :D )

i'm still wondering if the car isn't down on power.

bmw325
09-07-2002, 07:10 AM
I agree, it is actually one of the better written car reviews out there.

Regarding the understeer, i'd bet w/ a little tweaking of the alignment, and maybe tire pressures a good shop could drastically reduce that.

JPinTO
09-07-2002, 09:01 AM
That was a good writeup.

It was a generally positive review, other than the weight and understeer. Understeer is removable with different sway bar setting.

Sure, the weight is an impediment to beating out the Zcoupe & Boxster. But hey, look at the price.

blackdawg
09-07-2002, 11:24 AM
is it worth the almost $8k more in money than the base version?

seems to me that i'd get the lowest entry level car (were i in the market for the Z car) and then pimp it up with brembos....which, by the way, would be slotted and/or cross drilled, the brembo package on the track edition is neither (from what i can see in pictures).

but even at 26k? i'm still leaning toward the WRX....the STi sounds like it will be mid 30s for not so much more HP. i'd get a regular WRX and tweak it rather than the Z car.

the WRX already starts out lighter so less money would be spent on reducing weight.....just my thoughts. i'm glad Nissan is "back". keeps everyone honest because now it's an all out HP war in the meat of the car market.

Spiderm0n
09-07-2002, 11:30 AM
Originally posted by PhilH
I don't think any newspaper has a real car enthusiast writing for them. I totally disregard all newspaper articles about cars, and frequently laugh at how badly they are written. The guy writing the review could be doing movie reviews for USA Today in another month.

The New York Times doesn't hire dolts. ;)

PhilH
09-07-2002, 03:21 PM
Originally posted by blackdawg
it's written by tony swan. maybe you've heard of him. ( :D )


Tony Swan writes some of the NY Times car reviews? :yikes: I stand corrected.

blackdawg
09-07-2002, 03:46 PM
in all fairness, i didn't know he writes for the NYT, either.

but no wonder.

normally they get beat reporters to write their reviews.

Imola Ed
09-07-2002, 04:02 PM
Wow. I didn't know the car was so heavy! It doesn't look it. Only 100 lbs. less than my M...

Rufus330Ci
09-09-2002, 11:00 AM
Can someone post the article, please??

Imola Ed
09-09-2002, 11:02 AM
Originally posted by Rufus330Ci
Can someone post the article, please??

Uh, it's a few posts up.

cenotaph
09-09-2002, 11:40 AM
Originally posted by Imola Ed


Uh, it's a few posts up.

I think he means "I'm too lazy to come up with fake info for the NYT registration. Could some one cut-and-paste the article here?" :p

Cliff
09-09-2002, 12:00 PM
Originally posted by cenotaph


I think he means "I'm too lazy to come up with fake info for the NYT registration. Could some one cut-and-paste the article here?" :p

Why come up with fake info? It's free, and they have yet to send any spam email my way in the year or so that I've been registered there.:dunno:

cenotaph
09-09-2002, 04:33 PM
Originally posted by Cliff3


Why come up with fake info? It's free, and they have yet to send any spam email my way in the year or so that I've been registered there.:dunno:

Some people just don't like to register with sites like that. Weather the site sends out spam or not. I don't understand it, but I've seen enough popular sites that regularly post stories from the Times where there are usually "anonymous" logins posted in the comments. :dunno:

Cliff
09-09-2002, 04:45 PM
Originally posted by cenotaph
Some people just don't like to register with sites like that.

You mean commie pinko, bleeding heart liberal, elitist Eastern media sites? :lmao: ;) As some might view it, at least. :tsk: In any case, I don't want to start any political flamewars in this forum over a Nissan review. :rolleyes: I have had to register to read the Chicago Tribune on-line along with the LA Times. It's a small price to pay to access some of the best newspaper reporting in the country.

cenotaph
09-10-2002, 08:28 AM
Originally posted by Cliff3


You mean commie pinko, bleeding heart liberal, elitist Eastern media sites? :lmao: ;) As some might view it, at least. :tsk: In any case, I don't want to start any political flamewars in this forum over a Nissan review. :rolleyes: I have had to register to read the Chicago Tribune on-line along with the LA Times. It's a small price to pay to access some of the best newspaper reporting in the country.

Maybe, but I was thinking more along the lines of sites run by large corporations. Some people have this thing about large organizations (like gov. or corps.) having their personal info if they don't have to. :dunno: I wasn't trying to start a political debate, just a give a possible explination.

Cliff
09-10-2002, 09:04 AM
I wasn't being serious, hence all the emoticons. I hadn't thought of it from the perspective of feeding my email address to Corporate America. So far, they seem to be treating it benignly. At least I doubt the NY Times, LA Times, and Chicago Tribune have much interest in selling me viagra, pyramid schemes, or access to porno sites.

Rufus330Ci
09-10-2002, 09:09 AM
All the time you guys are spending fighting over my privacy you could have posted the article :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

I'll give in umm i mean register.....what the heck the local doctor doesn't even keep patient records off the counter when I went to pay my checkup cost, if i knew who that person was that I saw I would know they had hepatitis...

Where is americans privacy anymore..... stinking ad's poping up 30 times today on the computer, phone ringing at 9am waking me up on my day off that I wanted to sleep in till 12 or so stupid credit card lady... I get no peace :thumbdwn:

Cliff
09-10-2002, 09:10 AM
Originally posted by Rufus330Ci
All the time you guys are spending fighting over my privacy you could have posted the article

Nah, it's copyrighted material.

blackdawg
09-10-2002, 09:22 AM
aha!

he was one of the reviews who crowned the 330i in the most recent car and driver sport sedan review.

Mystikal
09-10-2002, 05:01 PM
Originally posted by blackdawg


i'm still wondering if the car isn't down on power.

Sport Compact Car dyno'd the Z. 244hp on 91octane, 249hp on 100. :thumbup:

Mystikal
09-10-2002, 05:02 PM
Originally posted by blackdawg
aha!

he was one of the reviews who crowned the 330i in the most recent car and driver sport sedan review.

Heh, he's also the one that in a recent Mercury Maurauder review wondered aloud why the hell someone would buy it over a 330i. :lmao:

Cliff
09-10-2002, 05:07 PM
Originally posted by Mystikal


Heh, he's also the one that in a recent Mercury Maurauder review wondered aloud why the hell someone would buy it over a 330i. :lmao:

Personally, I'd just drop the "over a 330i" from that wonderment and leave it as it is. The Marauder seems to be a car mostly designed for those people who worship Jake and Elwood Blues.

Mystikal
09-10-2002, 06:00 PM
Originally posted by Cliff3


Personally, I'd just drop the "over a 330i" from that wonderment and leave it as it is. The Marauder seems to be a car mostly designed for those people who worship Jake and Elwood Blues.

It's an interesting throwback though, you gotta admit. Supercharged (it'll come, trust me), it would be cool mid-life crisis transportation. As it is though, a GTO knocks it silly in every category.

Cliff
09-10-2002, 06:46 PM
Originally posted by Mystikal
Supercharged (it'll come, trust me), it would be cool mid-life crisis transportation.

I hate to tell you this, but the 330Ci is my version of a mid-life crisis... Well, mebbe not exactly a crisis. Course correction? I couldn't see myself wearing gold chains and driving a 'Vette....