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geomax
09-14-2002, 08:13 AM
I'm sure many of the 325 owners out there are tired of hearing how "lame" a 325 is compared to the 330...

Well, pretty soon, we won't have to deal with this BS label..

Yesterday, while heading to work, I teamed up with a 318 sedan, and we zipped along together for awhile. Then the 318 driver tried to get the drop on me, and punched it. I have to say, I caught up to, and passed him without even trying hard.

Pretty soon, the new 1/2 series will hit the roads, and all us with 325 can rest assured that we will no longer be the bottom dwellers of the 3 series world. :p

RKT BMR
09-14-2002, 09:15 AM
Don't let it get to you. The 325 is a sweet machine. I wouldn't get ruffled by any good-natured ribbing, and for those that are seriously taunting 325 owners, there are always more powerful wheels that can put them to shame too. As a 330 owner, anyone with an M3 could yank my chain in the same way.

Of course, I couldn't cotton that, so I supercharged the beast, and put on a UUC exhaust. Beat an M3 coupe on the freeway the other day (just barely -- consistent with the slight edge in HP and torque I supposedly have based on ESS' specs for the blower, plus the slight bump from the exhaust).

:bigpimp: And in the end, you always have those 323 owners to sneer at :flipoff:

Cliff
09-14-2002, 09:25 AM
Originally posted by geomax
Pretty soon, the new 1/2 series will hit the roads, and all us with 325 can rest assured that we will no longer be the bottom dwellers of the 3 series world. :p

AOL customers felt just the same way when Webtv came on-line. :D

blackdawg
09-14-2002, 11:59 AM
i dunno why you feel that way to begin with.

the 325 is any variant is a very competent machine. that the 330 is faster is rather obvious, but i wouldn't let that bother you as a fair percentage of them secretly pine for the power of the M3 as they watch all of the japanese competition get things like 260hp engines, too.

sales bear this out, 3:1 almost 325:330. for whatever reason, people like the 325.

if you were really bothered by it, you would have bought a C5 corvette (used, i hope, not new), played with it for 2 months, gotten it out of your system, and then go back to being quite happy.

i was playing with a 330 the other day on the highway because he was tailgating me in the blue pig (bravada). well, it's not like he could escape me in my 4600 pound behemoth and believe you me, he certainly was trying.

that fool.

once static weight is overcome, you need a ridiculous amount of HP to pull away until you reach triple digits. nothing on the highway, can pull a maxima, for example, without working very, very hard.

The HACK
09-14-2002, 01:02 PM
Originally posted by geomax
I'm sure many of the 325 owners out there are tired of hearing how "lame" a 325 is compared to the 330...

Well, pretty soon, we won't have to deal with this BS label..

Yesterday, while heading to work, I teamed up with a 318 sedan, and we zipped along together for awhile. Then the 318 driver tried to get the drop on me, and punched it. I have to say, I caught up to, and passed him without even trying hard.

Pretty soon, the new 1/2 series will hit the roads, and all us with 325 can rest assured that we will no longer be the bottom dwellers of the 3 series world. :p

By the way, the bottom dwellers are the X5 3.0s. 0-60 in about 8 seconds.

The 1 and 2 series may well give the 325 a run for its money...If they weigh anywhere below 2,800 lbs.

nate
09-14-2002, 05:08 PM
Eh, at least you don't have the obsolete 2.8L :p

geomax
09-14-2002, 05:52 PM
Originally posted by blackdawg
i dunno why you feel that way to begin with.

the 325 is any variant is a very competent machine. that the 330 is faster is rather obvious, but i wouldn't let that bother you as a fair percentage of them secretly pine for the power of the M3 as they watch all of the japanese competition get things like 260hp engines, too.

Oh, I'm not bothered at all - I love my 325! My post was more or less a reverse flame targeted at all those trolls with feelings of inadequacy that always spout off about how lowly the 325 is. It's all just so much arrogant, ego-testosterone driven crap.

...as I'm sure you'll agree, HACK, in that 323 of yours...

:p

Michael330
09-14-2002, 05:54 PM
325 is a sweet car. I would get it any day. 325 is also a great value for such a fun car. What else can it really compete for under 30K? Heavy, underpowered A4 1.8. I don't think so. I did drive 318 once and the difference between 325 and 330 is not as dramatic as the one between 318 and 325. 318 was meant for crowded european streets not for wide open torque-thirsty american roads.

toshweir27
09-15-2002, 09:52 PM
I love my car and I never kick myself for buying it. Trust me, the ECIS intake makes it feel good. :thumbup:

SONET
09-15-2002, 10:23 PM
I don't look down on the 325 at all. I certainly would (should? heh) have bought one had I not been stepping out of a car with a 3 liter motor. And... the 325's and 330's handle the same if the 325 has the sport package, right? :D

I must admit to being one of those 330 owners that would *love* to have a M3 in my garage in place of my 330Ci. I guess I didn't want it enough to give away $4800/yr. to a blood-sucking insurance company though. :cry:

--SONET

Closer
09-16-2002, 08:27 AM
Agree with just about everyone else. I love my 325ci. Although I lust after a 330 or M3 Im still very happy with my 325ci:thumbup:

AF
09-16-2002, 12:10 PM
I had a 325 loaner car the other day and it was great. The power was more then enough . . .

I would have been just as happy with this engine as I am with my 330 . . .

Matthew330Ci
09-16-2002, 02:30 PM
a newbie question, isn't the manual 325 about as fast as the 330 automatic?

dredmo
09-16-2002, 02:33 PM
Originally posted by mgs333
a newbie question, isn't the manual 325 about as fast as the 330 automatic?
more like the manual 328 is about as quick as the 330 auto not as fast but quick wise they pretty close. but with governers fast is out of the equation

Matthew330Ci
09-16-2002, 02:42 PM
Originally posted by dredmo

more like the manual 328 is about as quick as the 330 auto not as fast but quick wise they pretty close. but with governers fast is out of the equation

i meant fast in acceleration, 0-60 and 1/4..

dredmo
09-16-2002, 02:49 PM
Originally posted by mgs333


i meant fast in acceleration, 0-60 and 1/4..
as did I. The manual 328 is like an auto 330

quickness = 0-60
fast = top speed

nate
09-16-2002, 03:03 PM
Originally posted by dredmo

more like the manual 328 is about as quick as the 330 auto not as fast but quick wise they pretty close. but with governers fast is out of the equation

Almost everything that I have seens leads me to believe that a manual 328 is faster than a slushbox 330, at least off the line

http://www.edmunds.com/reviews/roadtests/roadtest/44068/page002.html

http://www.edmunds.com/reviews/comparison/articles/46528/page028.html

And a shocking "zero-to-60 mph in just 6.3 seconds and through the quarter-mile in 14.9 seconds at 98 mph."
http://www.edmunds.com/reviews/roadtests/roadtest/44069/article.html

The 330 has a LOT more power higher in the rev-band, so it is proably faster once it gets moving. Maybe 75+

Though, my 328 pulled hard on a 330ia on the straightaway. Even with both cars spinning high, he had proably 22 more HP

AF
09-16-2002, 03:04 PM
Originally posted by dredmo

as did I. The manual 328 is like an auto 330

quickness = 0-60
fast = top speed

The 330 Auto has a slight advantage over the manual 328.

I had raced a friend of mine who had a stripped 328is (97) with a 5 speed so I guess you could say he had a light version (plus the E36 328 was slightly quicker than the E46 328)
Also at the time I had less then 3000 miles, my car is now quicker then it was then plus my friend had an air intake on his 328is)

Anyway, I consistently beat him from a standstill to 25-30 mph but then our cars would stay very close (neither of us pulling away) until we hit around 60mph, then the 330 would very slowly pull away.

We had at least 5-6 races and we were at a deserted part of a 3 lane highway that had virtually -0- cars or people. I would NEVER do this anywhere else, in fact after that time (at least 1 3/4 yrs ago) I didn't like the feeling of racing and haven't since

Anyway, that's the story . . .

geomax
09-16-2002, 06:16 PM
Originally posted by SONET
I guess I didn't want it enough to give away $4800/yr. to a blood-sucking insurance company though. :cry:


Is the insurance really THAT much!! :yikes:

Matthew330Ci
09-16-2002, 11:11 PM
Originally posted by dredmo

more like the manual 328 is about as quick as the 330 auto not as fast but quick wise they pretty close. but with governers fast is out of the equation

i test drove a 325Ci today and got a brochure..

in the brochure, BMW AG's own numbers indicate that...

325Ci manual 0-60 in 7.1 seconds
330Ci Auto 0-60 in 7.0 seconds

I only got to drive the auto though, they said manuals are rare.. (i thought bimmers were driver's cars?? :dunno: )

The HACK
09-16-2002, 11:36 PM
Originally posted by Alan F


The 330 Auto has a slight advantage over the manual 328.

I had raced a friend of mine who had a stripped 328is (97) with a 5 speed so I guess you could say he had a light version (plus the E36 328 was slightly quicker than the E46 328)
Also at the time I had less then 3000 miles, my car is now quicker then it was then plus my friend had an air intake on his 328is)

Anyway, I consistently beat him from a standstill to 25-30 mph but then our cars would stay very close (neither of us pulling away) until we hit around 60mph, then the 330 would very slowly pull away.

We had at least 5-6 races and we were at a deserted part of a 3 lane highway that had virtually -0- cars or people. I would NEVER do this anywhere else, in fact after that time (at least 1 3/4 yrs ago) I didn't like the feeling of racing and haven't since

Anyway, that's the story . . .

It depends SO much on the driver. If you drive a manual 323/325 and can consistently get a slight wheelspin launch at 3,000 RPM, the 323/325 will give a 330 AUTO a run for it's money.

I even surprise STUKA sometimes with my launches. Of course he can always chase my *ss down AT WILL if he chooses to.

AF
09-17-2002, 05:34 AM
Originally posted by The HACK


It depends SO much on the driver. If you drive a manual 323/325 and can consistently get a slight wheelspin launch at 3,000 RPM, the 323/325 will give a 330 AUTO a run for it's money.

I even surprise STUKA sometimes with my launches. Of course he can always chase my *ss down AT WILL if he chooses to.

Even your talking about being even off the line then I can see where your coming from, because a lot of manual's out there are very quick off the line but after 20-25 mph, the 330 will say 'bye, bye'