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The HACK
09-20-2002, 12:28 PM
Probably doesn't really concern the premium brands that you sell, but there are some pretty interesting customer data in there from JD Power & Assoc...


STUDIES: REBATES ARE STRONG POISON

LOS ANGELES- Suspicions confirmed: Fatter-than-ever incentives work too well and are hurting the industry, according to two new studies.

A JD Power & Assoc. study released last week found that perceived price advantage is the No. 1 reason shoppers choose one vehicle over another (interesting note). And a coollary study by CNW Marketing/Research discovered that buyers expect to receive a discount of more than $3,000 from the list price of a new vehicle.

The JD Power 2002 Escaped Shopper and Owner Loyalty Study, based on responses from 30,300 first-quarter new-vehicle buyers, found that shoppers comparing two or more models typically buy the less expensive model (another interesting note).

Of the new-vehicle buyers who rejected at lest one model and who obtained 0% financing, nearly one-half rejected the other model because it didn't offer sufficiently low rates, the study said.

"Shoppers weigh theincentives of one model over another," said Chris Denove, partner at J.D. Power & Assoc. "But it doesn't matter how lower your incentives go--you lose your competitive advantage when EVERYONE else lowers their incentive just as much."

Still, the study adds fuel to the fire that's keeping incentives for the Big 3 at levels above $3,000 per vehicle.

"The industry is on this dangerous treadmill of incentive spending," Denove said. "The question is, at what cost?"

The surey also found that a dealership's sales staff can turn off shoppers to the entire BRAND. Overall , 16% of vehicle purchases are rejected because of the shopper's perception that the dealership treated them badly, Power said (another interesting note).

The study found that these shoppers typically buy a different brand rather than try to find another dealership selling the same vehicle they had considered, Denove said.

Meanwhile, in a year-long study of 110,000 new-vehicle shoppers, CNW found that buyers view discounts as key to their purchase plans.

"Among people who plan on financing their vehicles, those who haven't started shopping fully expect to save at least $2,600 off the (listed) price of the car," said Art Spinella, president of CNW Marketing in Bardon, Ore. "Once they start visiting showrooms, they expect $2,900. And once they've become serious about buying, that number becomes $3,400."

CNW estimates the Big 3 were offering more than $3,300 per vehicle in incentives during August. General Motors offered $3,392; Ford Motor Co., $3,478; and DaimlerChrysler, $3,116, it said.

Japanese automakers offered an average of $2,096 per vehicle in August, it said.

CNW's figures include lease subventions, financing offers and customer and dealer rebates. -Automotive News

Wow, 16% who were turned off by the dealership experience jump ship/brand all together. Reading here and .org it's probably more like 90%. :dunno:

Thought it was an interesting read...Although none of the numbers correlate with BMW numbers.

·clyde·
09-20-2002, 12:40 PM
Originally posted by The HACK
Probably doesn't really concern the premium brands that you sell...

Wow, 16% who were turned off by the dealership experience jump ship/brand all together.

I think that can/will/does affect premium brands, although if Jon's actions here are an indicator of how his staff treat customers at Cutter they shouldn't contribute to that problem for the brands that they sell. The dealer experience was absolutely crucial in launching Lexus and Inifninti (from what I have read and heard). To this day, I don't recall ever hearing anything negative about a dealer experience WRT Lexus or Infiniti which is something that I can't say about any other brand.

The incentive game will play itself out at some point even if it's just artifically inflating the MSRP to build in the incentive (as if that isn't already being done)

Jon S.
09-20-2002, 12:57 PM
This stuff (J.D. Powers research) always interests me.

Once upon a time I was a grad student in Experimental
Psychology. If only I had known about my love for the
auto industry back then...

J.S. Shafer & Associates??
:dunno:


:D

Dr. Phil
09-20-2002, 01:00 PM
Originally posted by Jon Shafer
This stuff (J.D. Powers research) always interests me.

Once upon a time I was a grad student in Experimental
Psychology. If only I had known about my love for the
auto industry back then...

J.S. Shafer & Associates??
:dunno:


:D
I think that experience is paying of for you as Admin here and I would suspect as "the boss" there at Cutter:dunno:

The HACK
09-20-2002, 01:02 PM
Originally posted by Jon Shafer
This stuff (J.D. Powers research) always interests me.

Once upon a time I was a grad student in Experimental
Psychology. If only I had known about my love for the
auto industry back then...

J.S. Shafer & Associates??
:dunno:


:D

Wait a second. How come YOUR name comes first? Shouldn't it be T. Hack and associates? :flipoff:

Matthew330Ci
09-20-2002, 03:19 PM
i have an infiniti and when i took my car in since the navigation wouldn't work, they told me to go back to where i bought it from (i bought it from a dealer 50 miles away cuz they had the exact option/color combo).. and i happened to get a survey in the mail from infiniti.. guess how i filled that survey out.. :mad:

and when i noticed some oil leaking, i took it to a dealer close to work, they told me it was a plug and supposedly replaced the plug, came home it still leaked, took it to a different dealer, they had to replace the whole damn tranny cuz some major seal was busted.. now, either the ****ers at the previous dealer messed it up, or didn't want to hassle with a warranty repair and just gave me some bull**** to make me go away.. i mean how could they not notice that the tranny needed replacing???

maybe it's because i'm 24 but look 20 or so.. but i've been less than happy with my infiniti service. i get better service when i get my honda serviced. :banghead:

Michael330
09-21-2002, 01:21 AM
Originally posted by The HACK
Probably doesn't really concern the premium brands that you sell, but there are some pretty interesting customer data in there from JD Power & Assoc...



Wow, 16% who were turned off by the dealership experience jump ship/brand all together. Reading here and .org it's probably more like 90%. :dunno:

Thought it was an interesting read...Although none of the numbers correlate with BMW numbers.

Lovely, you can immediately tell that people who wrote the "report" concentrated in marketing in b-school. White color is white because it has been painted white and therefore people who prefer white will use white paint blah blah blah. Interesting percentage data though.

Nat Brown
09-21-2002, 10:16 AM
"Shoppers weigh theincentives of one model over another," said Chris Denove, partner at J.D. Power & Assoc. "But it doesn't matter how lower your incentives go--you lose your competitive advantage when EVERYONE else lowers their incentive just as much."

One of the interesting marketing realizations of the 80's was that sales were addictive. They're a slippery slope that customers begin to expect. Discounts and incentives are easy to start with and there's an immediate jump in sales, but eventually that peters off and you're stuck having to sell your product with less profit, to customers that want something for nothing. The only way to fix the problem is to have another sale.

Personally, I've come to understand that premium car manufacturers don't have sales because they don't need them. BMW sales are doing great, so why give away the cars when demand remains high? Now that I'm shopping for my wife's car, a wagon, I see the same thing. I'm looking at the VW Passat and Subaru Legacy. The Passat is clearly better, but there aren't any incentives for new models. The Legacy is being given away. It's got me in consumer paralysis, where I buy nothing, waiting for the premium guy to fold and offer me financing or a rebate. I watched Subaru crumble, so why not VW? So the sale is bad for business even for the premium manufacturer.

--gary

Michael330
09-21-2002, 11:22 AM
Originally posted by Nat Brown
"Shoppers weigh theincentives of one model over another," said Chris Denove, partner at J.D. Power & Assoc. "But it doesn't matter how lower your incentives go--you lose your competitive advantage when EVERYONE else lowers their incentive just as much."

One of the interesting marketing realizations of the 80's was that sales were addictive. They're a slippery slope that customers begin to expect. Discounts and incentives are easy to start with and there's an immediate jump in sales, but eventually that peters off and you're stuck having to sell your product with less profit, to customers that want something for nothing. The only way to fix the problem is to have another sale.

Personally, I've come to understand that premium car manufacturers don't have sales because they don't need them. BMW sales are doing great, so why give away the cars when demand remains high? Now that I'm shopping for my wife's car, a wagon, I see the same thing. I'm looking at the VW Passat and Subaru Legacy. The Passat is clearly better, but there aren't any incentives for new models. The Legacy is being given away. It's got me in consumer paralysis, where I buy nothing, waiting for the premium guy to fold and offer me financing or a rebate. I watched Subaru crumble, so why not VW? So the sale is bad for business even for the premium manufacturer.

--gary

Good point. The best example is Coke and Pepsi. Their sale incentives created a situation where the consumer perceived value for these products is a sale price. No one buys a 12 pack of Coke for its "regular" price anymore. It's a very dangerous path. It is especially dangerous to luxury items manufacturers. When I participated in a focus group on Mercedes advertising, most people were put off by the fact that MB stresses VALUE in its campaign (especially people who own or are planning to buy an MB). It actually lowers the perception of the brand. They don't want to hear about how cheap it is, how good financing you can get for it etc etc. Luxury item makers can offer some incentives but should never ever brag about it. Look at Lexus. They are a very good example of good marketing. They started as a cheap version MB so they stressed value at the begining (you can get all MB has to offer for much less) but as soon as they established themselves as a luxury item producer, they changed their tactics and stopped stressing value.