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joe kubany
01-10-2006, 09:50 AM
hy there ,
is anyone familiar with changing the colors of the angel eyes on a 745 i 2002
pls advc thanks a lot
joe

jacksprat
01-10-2006, 10:54 AM
I dont know about changing colors but I have been wanting to make mine brighter. The e39 angel eyes are much brighter for some reason

gbelton
01-10-2006, 01:31 PM
e39's do not come with Halo's/Angel Eyes; they are aftermarket. Do not ruin you e65 with such aftermarket stuff. Why do you want it so bright? You ever watch it from the outside in (While Driving)... When you see them at night, that's when it counts but if you must change it to be like the rest of them so be it. GMAN

jacksprat
01-10-2006, 02:25 PM
are you on drugs? e39 5series? granted the early 97-00 e39 had no angel eyse but the 01-03 e39 had angel eyes for sure.

jacksprat
01-10-2006, 02:30 PM
also the problem IS about seeing them at night....basically you barely do. I have seen e65 such as mine at night and I can barely see the angel eyes. However on an e39 I can distincly see the angel eyes... I can even see the angel eye surrounding the low beam. On the e65 the low beam completely drowns out the angel eye.

gbelton
01-10-2006, 03:49 PM
are you on drugs? e39 5series? granted the early 97-00 e39 had no angel eyse but the 01-03 e39 had angel eyes for sure. No Drugs. 5er okay.. Be clear and there will not be any mistakes... Thanks for the clearification... I want to say more but it pointless! GMAN

gbelton
01-10-2006, 03:52 PM
also the problem IS about seeing them at night....basically you barely do. I have seen e65 such as mine at night and I can barely see the angel eyes. However on an e39 I can distincly see the angel eyes... I can even see the angel eye surrounding the low beam. On the e65 the low beam completely drowns out the angel eye. Ok but then again you are showing a picture of a 5er with just its Halo/Angle eyes. Perhaps you can do the same; side-by-side shot. Come back and let us know afterwards. GMAN

gbelton
01-10-2006, 03:55 PM
If anyone should complain it should be the folks with 6ers. The eyes are cut so thin you can barely see the Halo/Angel eyes but oh well; Different strokes for different folks and I am not complaining about my 650i (e64) or my 750Li (e65), I am Satisfied. GMAN

gbelton
01-10-2006, 04:19 PM
The 'EYE' is in the hand of the beholder.

GMAN

jacksprat
01-10-2006, 04:31 PM
i agree without low beams on the angel eyes on all the car models look fine. But once the low beam turns on the e39 angel eyes outshine the rest for some reason. The e65 angel eye diamter is smaller than the e39 though, and the e64 has even smaller diameter rings. I think that might be why the low beams drown out the light from the angel eyes. Still though, the e39 light output is more intense.

Kayani_1
01-13-2006, 01:07 PM
I agree 100% with the person that said the angel eyes on E39 5 series are the brightest I have ever seen. I have both 745i and the E39 5 series and side by side the 7 series angel eyes look dull and dim. I was wondering why BMW did that because I love to ride with angel and fogs on when it is not very dark such as at dusk or dawn. But to look at the angel eyes of 7 series you have to concentrate real hard not so the case with E39 5 series. I wish there was a way to brighten the angel eyes on my 7 series to the level of E39 5 series.

jacksprat
01-13-2006, 01:49 PM
THANKYOU. I knew i wasnt crazy. I recall reading from bimmerforums.com that the e39 uses a 15watt bulb that you can only buy from marine (boat) stores or BMW. Some people were upgrading to 20watt bulbs but not everyone did it cause they were afraid the fiber optic and/or bulb socket would get too hot and melt. Im going to open up my e65 angel eyes and investigate tonite.

gbelton
01-14-2006, 06:48 PM
THANKYOU. I knew i wasnt crazy. I recall reading from bimmerforums.com that the e39 uses a 15watt bulb that you can only buy from marine (boat) stores or BMW. Some people were upgrading to 20watt bulbs but not everyone did it cause they were afraid the fiber optic and/or bulb socket would get too hot and melt. Im going to open up my e65 angel eyes and investigate tonite.
So what did you find out? 7er Lights are? 5er (e39) lights are? In Watts of course...:angel:

GMAN P.S. Got some new info for you on the Angel Eyes:http://eastcoastbmw.net/angeleyes.html

psa
02-13-2006, 08:26 PM
THANKYOU. I knew i wasnt crazy. I recall reading from bimmerforums.com that the e39 uses a 15watt bulb that you can only buy from marine (boat) stores or BMW. Some people were upgrading to 20watt bulbs but not everyone did it cause they were afraid the fiber optic and/or bulb socket would get too hot and melt. Im going to open up my e65 angel eyes and investigate tonite.


Just trying to help.....hope I get this right.....anyway....I have a 02 e39 and have been trying to find a Xenon bulb to make the Halo's a brighter and whiter light.

Just like the e65 the e39 bulbs produce a yellow color of light (probably 3000K or so) the Xenon is typically in the 5000K range.

So far I have had no luck in finding a Xenon Ba9 Xenon bulb for my e39 and I'm guessing that the e65 has the same bulb but more than likely a 5w Ba9...the ONLY Xenon bulbs that are available are in Europe and are only 5-6 watts (Philip's BlueVision)

If you just want to make the e65 Halo's brighter you might try a 10w Ba9. And it took me a few months to track down a Ba9 10w. And yes it is originally for marine (boat) use. I've heard that a 20w Ba9 will melt the plastic reflector.

http://www.sailboatstuff.com/lt_minibulb.html#XenMinConBay

Even though these bulbs are noted as Xenon, when I installed them the color looked exactly like the OE bulbs.

hope this helps....

psa
02-13-2006, 08:32 PM
missing photos from my first post....

D2-AUTOSPORT
02-13-2006, 08:38 PM
Is there any reason that e65/66 owners here that want brighter Angel Eyes do not go with a DDE kit? I have seen a number of e46's and e39's with them installed and they do not look at all tacky or ricey. When combined with a HID foglamp kit you would assume that is the way the OEM units "should" look, which is clean and vibrant.

From what I understand the DDE kits use a different fiber optic and a small balast (not nearly as powerful as a HID balast).

Just my .02 hope it helps, good luck guys :thumbup:


EDIT: just read GMAN's link! lol I was wondering why no one mentioned DDE's.

jacksprat
02-13-2006, 09:46 PM
The is VERY useful information psa!

The reason why e39/e65 owners dont opt for the aftermarket angel eyes is:

1) our headlamp unit does not "snap" open like the e46/e36. We have to heat our units up and pry open the unit in half to get inside it. Resealing it is not a trvial task.

2) Some, but Im sure not all, e65/e39 owners feel that it may look tacky. It looks nice on a e36/e46 that is street modified but a larger luxury car like the e39/e65 must uphold a certain level of sophistication. I am not making fun of the e36/e46 owners. I used to have an e36 M3 myself and had the DDE from umnitza (site sponsor).

On a side note, I found out that removal of the e65 headlight requires removal of the front bumper, and I fear that removal of the angel eye light bulb requires clearance only obtained by removal of the headlight from the car:cry:

psa
02-14-2006, 06:08 AM
On a side note, I found out that removal of the e65 headlight requires removal of the front bumper, and I fear that removal of the angel eye light bulb requires clearance only obtained by removal of the headlight from the car:cry:

MAN...now that's some good engineering...:thumbdwn: .....on the e39 there is plenty of room to remove the bulb. It's just VERY fragile since the plastic is brittle and easily breaks. On the e39 you just turn the socket...there are "arrows" on the socket to show which way to turn to remove. This "might" be the same case as the e65....worth a look...

jacksprat
02-14-2006, 08:22 AM
psa:

is this the one we are supposed to get?
US$3.95 / PAIR
Bulb Type: Xenon Watts: 10W Volts: 12V Amps: 0.840 Base Diameter: 3/8" Height: 1-1/8" - P/N 843436

Im thinking you have to rig some sort of connector for the wires if you get the 10W bulb upgrade?

psa
02-14-2006, 08:53 AM
psa:
is this the one we are supposed to get?
US$3.95 / PAIR
Bulb Type: Xenon Watts: 10W Volts: 12V Amps: 0.840 Base Diameter: 3/8" Height: 1-1/8" - P/N 843436

Im thinking you have to rig some sort of connector for the wires if you get the 10W bulb upgrade?


Yes...at least this is what worked in my e39...if you can take the bulb out of your e65 and measure it and it matches the spec in the attached pic then the bulb you have in your e65 is a Ba9. And the second pic is the ones that will fit a Ba9 socket.

Keep in mind that the bulbs are noted as Xenon but they still produce a yellow'ish light color and not blue'ish/white.

If you want Xenon with a higher temp..the Philips BlueVison H6W might be the way to go. But they are only 6 watt bulbs and typically only available in Europe.

I'm not sure why you have to do any re-wiring to allow for the use of a Ba9. If your e65 bulb is the same bulb just a different wattage than the Ba9 I'd think there would be no problems.

jacksprat
02-14-2006, 09:05 AM
I just came accross this page:

http://autolumination.com/otherleds.htm

if you scroll down you will find specs for Ba9 5-LED bulbs, Ba9 mini bayonet 'clear focused' or 'inverted' LED, and Ba9 Xenon Superwhite natural glass bulbs.

Do any those bulbs look like they may work? Im pretty sure the e39 and e65 angel light bulbs are the same. So if it works for your e39 then it should work for e65. Tonight I will take a pic of my e65 angel eye bulb and post for comparison.

I would love to get the 5-LED base Ba9 bulb from that website. I bet it would light up the halos quite nicely

jacksprat
02-14-2006, 09:15 AM
Ba9 single focused LED:
http://autolumination.com/images/train_parts/363_led.jpg

Ba9 5-LED multi-angle spread:
http://autolumination.com/images/auto_bulbs/ba9s_matrix.jpg

Ba9 Xenon glass bulb, I think its just a regular bulb coated with the blue paint to make it look hyperwhite though. Probably doesnt have the light output that the LED Ba9's have:
http://autolumination.com/images/auto_bulbs/ba9s_xenon.jpg

The autoillumination website is legit, based out of AZ. I am going to order a few diff types and see which ones work best because the bulbs are all inexpensive.

psa
02-14-2006, 09:44 AM
Ba9 single focused LED:
http://autolumination.com/images/train_parts/363_led.jpg

Ba9 5-LED multi-angle spread:
http://autolumination.com/images/auto_bulbs/ba9s_matrix.jpg

Ba9 Xenon glass bulb, I think its just a regular bulb coated with the blue paint to make it look hyperwhite though. Probably doesnt have the light output that the LED Ba9's have:
http://autolumination.com/images/auto_bulbs/ba9s_xenon.jpg


Been there ...done that....:) ...I have tried all of those LED's and the Xenon. The Xenon in your pic is still only a 5 w bulb. All the LED's and the Xenon were very dim and not near as bright as the OE bulb.

I to thought that the LED's would work great but once I got to talking to some people in a LED forum I found out that the light that is emitted from a LED is measures much differently than a incandescent bulb. I thought for sure the Matrix LED would work great...but I was very disappointed. The color of light was great but the intensity was not there.

If I recall the Lumens intensity for the OE bulb is 200 while the LED's are measured in mcd and the Matrix LED had a mcd of 200 and a beam angle of 120 degrees.

http://led.linear1.org/lumen.wiz

So using the Lumen Wizard ...200 mcd only produces 0.628 lumens so you would need a LED that produces 64000 mcd to equal the light output of a 10w Ba9....at that point I gave up on finding a direct fit LED.

At least that's what I came up with....The only guy that I have seen that has converted his Halo's to LED is this guy....which incorporates a Luxeon Star LED...

http://www.excite.co.jp/world/english/web/?wb_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww7.plala.or.jp%2Fsoaristo%2 Fpage%2Fdiy%2Fwhite%5Fled2.htm%3Fwb%5Fco%3Dexcitej apan&wb_lp=JAEN&wb_dis

jacksprat
02-14-2006, 09:55 AM
cool! thanks for saving me the time and trouble. Ill just get that 10W Ba9 from the boat website and call it a day. haha

jacksprat
02-14-2006, 10:11 AM
Holy **** I would pay that guy good money for a pair of those Luxeon LED setup he made. It has heat sink and cooling fan and everything!. Too bad I dont have a lathe or milling machine to fabricate mounts like he did though =(

VIREP
02-18-2006, 05:26 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/BMW-E39-E65-E66-M5-540-745-CCFL-OEM-ANGEL-EYES-UPGRADE_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33710QQitemZ803 9783890QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

I saw an upgrade on Ebay. Said OEM upgrade? I do not know how true it is or how good this is for our E65. I was going to question on the board to see if anyone has done to their 745. I may look into it after some research!

bmw2805
02-18-2006, 11:25 PM
I Guess this is what you are looking for , Hope this helps :

Customangeleyes (http://www.x5world.com/vendor-forum/10963-04-x5s-upgrade-your-dim-yellow-oem-angel-eyes-pure-bright-white-new-angelibright.html)

jacksprat
02-22-2006, 08:16 AM
that's pretty cool....too pricey though

JA 7
11-09-2006, 01:43 PM
The factory bulb to my understanding is 10w. I just installed the Predator Ice kit from umnitza and it looks great. Not super bright though (similar to factory)....the color almost replicates the Xenon low beams which has a nice effect. They make HID fogs for our cars to.....they will be installed tonight.

umnitza
11-09-2006, 04:36 PM
The factory bulb to my understanding is 10w. I just installed the Predator Ice kit from umnitza and it looks great. Not super bright though (similar to factory)....the color almost replicates the Xenon low beams which has a nice effect. They make HID fogs for our cars to.....they will be installed tonight.

:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=408806&highlight=predator

http://www.ppfinancial.net/pice/picture022.jpg

http://www.umnitza.com/albums/predatorice/stockvsice.sized.jpg

Is there any reason that e65/66 owners here that want brighter Angel Eyes do not go with a DDE kit? I have seen a number of e46's and e39's with them installed and they do not look at all tacky or ricey. When combined with a HID foglamp kit you would assume that is the way the OEM units "should" look, which is clean and vibrant.

From what I understand the DDE kits use a different fiber optic and a small balast (not nearly as powerful as a HID balast).

Just my .02 hope it helps, good luck guys :thumbup:


EDIT: just read GMAN's link! lol I was wondering why no one mentioned DDE's.

:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

http://www.umnitza.com/albums/e46proj/completenewfront2.sized.jpg

http://www.umnitza.com/albums/e46proj/wowaqua.sized.jpg

http://www.umnitza.com/product_info.php?products_id=1111

S7IM745i
11-10-2006, 01:00 AM
I've been seeing this new product from PIAA floating around the net,
http://www.bavauto.com/fland.asp?rid=18786

has anyone tried it yet? should fit the E65.

S7IM745i
11-10-2006, 01:03 AM
I've been seeing this new product from PIAA floating around the net,
http://www.bavauto.com/fland.asp?rid=18786

You should have no problem melting anything since these are super LEDs
has anyone tried it yet? should fit the E65.

S7IM745i
11-10-2006, 01:05 AM
I've been seeing this new product from PIAA floating around the net,
http://www.bavauto.com/fland.asp?rid=18786

You should have no worries about heat melting anything since these are super LEDs
has anyone tried it yet? should fit the E65.

umnitza
11-10-2006, 01:07 AM
Holy Triple Post Batman.

The PIAA unit has been in our hands for over 6 months, it's 1/3rd as bright as ours, produces a non-favorable blue look, and did we mention it's not as bright?;)

umnitza
12-25-2006, 11:13 PM
http://forum.precision-clan.com/index.php?showtopic=1994&st=0
This is what i came up with
Welcome to our whole product range;)

here's a photo of the ICE on the 745i.
http://www.umnitza.com/albums/2006REVIEW/e65ice3.sized.jpg

http://www.umnitza.com/albums/2006REVIEW/e65ice2.sized.jpg

WaynesNside
01-03-2007, 08:22 AM
That pic with stock and the Predator really helps to see the difference between the two.

Hector Filomeno
06-10-2009, 10:17 AM
hey guys, I have 2004 745LI and the left side angeleye lamp won lit up what couldbe?

rustar
06-10-2009, 10:35 AM
try to open the hood and knock on top of the lamp (not too hard). it might help.

mchll740iL
06-11-2009, 08:45 PM
e39's do not come with Halo's/Angel Eyes; they are aftermarket. Do not ruin you e65 with such aftermarket stuff. Why do you want it so bright? You ever watch it from the outside in (While Driving)... When you see them at night, that's when it counts but if you must change it to be like the rest of them so be it. GMAN

Damn, how much was it to change the bulbs. I just have the Xenon 12V that comes stock, but they're sick as Hell

mchll740iL
06-11-2009, 08:48 PM
I forgot to show you guys what my headlights look now.

It's a 740iL and I'm thinking of putting the Halo/Angel eyes or thePredator ICE 6000K, but which to choose? And are these both sold aftermarket? Price?

rustar
07-13-2009, 09:10 PM
Anyone tried/seen EFX angel eyes? Are they better than rdash or mtec?