How much are M5's actually selling for?

[kurichan]

I have decided to buy at least one of the following:

M5
M6
Carrera S
Cayman SSo I went into my friendly BMW dealer where I've done a lot of business to take a look at the M5.

They were asking $108,000! ("we had to get it specially from some guy... blah blah blah").

I find this form of price jabbing morally offensive and will no longer even service my car at this dealership.

So a few questions:

Did anyone out there pay more than sticker for their car?
Did anyone out there pay less than sticker?
Can anyone recommend a San Diego/Orange County (or even LA) dealer that doesn't price jab?Thanks!

[///MLover]

Look anything you would like to get go to Shelly Bmw of Buena Park. They gave me very

good deals. My salesman was Jerry Forbes. The reason that I say that is because other

dealers had 35K markups and this place was only 15K. This was one month ago. So go

ahead and check in on the price....

[Vitacura]

My local dealership has two they can't even sell at MSRP.. Wish I could afford one!

[adrian's bmw]

We sell ours at MSRP.:angel: I helped 760Lifan order one recently for March delivery, too. :thumbup:

[kurichan]

We sell ours at MSRP.:angel: I helped 760Lifan order one recently for March delivery, too. :thumbup:Could you please move your dealership about 2,500 miles west?:confused:

[760Lifan]

We sell ours at MSRP.:angel: I helped 760Lifan order one recently for March delivery, too. :thumbup:

Yeah, I can only confirm that!:bigpimp: For that much money I'm going to save on that deal, I can fly to Atlanta and drive the car home..:thumbup:

You did a great job so far, Adrian...:supdude:

[pcmike]

35K markup over MSRP? With that kind of price difference I'd just order it on the east coast and ship it back (covered carrier) back to the west coast and pocket the extra 33K. Would this hinder your ability to get service at a local dealership? Isn't the warranty good at any dealership?

[///M3 Wes]

35K markup over MSRP? With that kind of price difference I'd just order it on the east coast and ship it back (covered carrier) back to the west coast and pocket the extra 33K. Would this hinder your ability to get service at a local dealership? Isn't the warranty good at any dealership?

yes, it is. however the quality of people at different dealerships varies, as you probably know. i bought a slightly used cpo e46 m3 at a boston dealership and drove it home to berkeley. let's just say that weatherford bmw in berkeley will never, ever get any of my business - my experience there was absolutely horrible. the rudest folks i've ever dealt with, especially the service rep i worked with. after that I always took the m3 (and subsequently my cooper S) to east bay bmw out in pleasanton, well worth the extra drive.

so i guess it depends on your dealership. but you should expect to be treated well.

interestingly enough, on my x country trip with the (new to me) m3 with only 3k miles on it, ran into an issue where it failed to start after being out in the bitter cold. I was initially towed to the Syracuse, NY dealership, but they had 3 techs out sick and were way backed up so i was then towed 80 miles over to Rochester where they quickly determined it was a problem with the starter where the leads were contracting in the cold to the point that they lost contact. unfortunately the part was only in stock in california, florida, and cedar rapids iowa. luckily cedar rapids didn't look too far out of the way, and they showed me how to get started in a pinch using a broomstick (lol) so I went on my way after they set things up with the iowa dealership. my experience in iowa was just as favorable as with the rochester folks, we were in and out in under 2 hours and back on the road. I just thought it was interesting how well I was treated by two dealerships who knew they would never see me again, only to get home and be treated so poorly by the tools over at weatherford. :thumbdwn:

/rant off

good luck I am jealous of your new ride!!!! :D

[CSBM5]

So a few questions:

Did anyone out there pay more than sticker for their car?
Did anyone out there pay less than sticker?
Can anyone recommend a San Diego/Orange County (or even LA) dealer that doesn't price jab?Thanks!

There are a bunch of M5's sitting on dealer lots around the country for sale at MSRP with no buyers. My local dealer, Leith BMW in Raleigh, NC, has had one for 6+ weeks with no takers, and they have more on the way. Last I checked a couple of weeks ago, there are M5's in stock in Charlotte, Greensboro and Winston-Salem NC dealerships. I would guess the one here in Raleigh could be purchased immediately for even under MSRP. Call Clint Wilson at 919-876-5432 if you're interested.

Also, check out this thread on the m5board: http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=62835. You'll find a lot more information on m5board than here btw. Good luck!

Chuck

[bmw330pp]

I have decided to buy at least one of the following:

M5
M6
Carrera S
Cayman SSo I went into my friendly BMW dealer where I've done a lot of business to take a look at the M5.

They were asking $108,000! ("we had to get it specially from some guy... blah blah blah").

I find this form of price jabbing morally offensive and will no longer even service my car at this dealership.

So a few questions:

Did anyone out there pay more than sticker for their car?
Did anyone out there pay less than sticker?
Can anyone recommend a San Diego/Orange County (or even LA) dealer that doesn't price jab?Thanks!
Go back and ask them "If its so desireable, why has it been sitting on your lot for over 2 months?". Then come and report what bs answer they give you. I've been to a number of dealers here in socal for the past few months for various reasons on more than one occassion, and they all have had at least 2 M5's on their lot for over 2 months.

[pcmike]

That's too funny. M5s sitting on lots with no takers... go figure. Wish I had the money for MSRP, but I'm only a graduate student!

[BmW745On19's]

We sell ours at MSRP.:angel: I helped 760Lifan order one recently for March delivery, too. :thumbup:

You guys selling M6's at MSRP?

[JT 550i SD]

I have had a great experience @ BMW San Diego, and specifically with their top salesman, Pat Springer. He does all internet/fleet sales and is pleasant to work with.

[minh]

they showed me how to get started in a pinch using a broomstick

what exactly is this broomstick trick? Once my M3 wouldn't start and it was bitter cold... it eventually did start after a few attempts (didn't have to have it towed or anything).

[///M3 Wes]

had to reach up under there and knock around with a brookstick LOL - that knocked the starter leads together where they had contracted apart evidently...

[BruceX3]

I was at Century West BMW in North Hollywood about 3 weeks ago. They seemed to have about 4 new M5s sitting around the dealership. None had a markup which really surprised me.

[chuck92103]

Could you please move your dealership about 2,500 miles west?:confused:

Dude, if you want one, for a $90k car, I am sure you can have another dealer ship one to you or fly there to buy and drive or ship back.No big deal. I have friends who have done this several times with 911's.

I mean if I wanted one, a few hundred bucks to have one located is no big deal. It does not sound like you are a serious buyer yet.:dunno:

[SpeedFreak!]

I have decided to buy at least one of the following:

M5
M6
Carrera S
Cayman SSo I went into my friendly BMW dealer where I've done a lot of business to take a look at the M5.

They were asking $108,000! ("we had to get it specially from some guy... blah blah blah").

I find this form of price jabbing morally offensive and will no longer even service my car at this dealership.

So a few questions:

Did anyone out there pay more than sticker for their car?
Did anyone out there pay less than sticker?
Can anyone recommend a San Diego/Orange County (or even LA) dealer that doesn't price jab?Thanks!


:rolleyes:
There is absolutely nothing about making a reasonable profit that is morally offensive. Nothing. :confused:

I would suggest that if your going to talk sh!t about a place of business that you at least get the truth and then report the truth... :confused: just a friendly suggestion.

First of all... asking price is just that... asking price. Everything is negotiable.

Obviously... you weren't very serious... because if you had been, you would have discovered that a deal could have been had. :tsk:

Secondly... I happen to know exactly who you are talking about... and happen to know for a fact that due to the market demand in our area, we were forced to buy M5's from other dealers in order to meet our clients demands. During the first couple of months, dealers were selling them to us... a fellow dealer... for $5k-10k over MSRP. Our clients were willing to pay $20k-30k over MSRP... which made the investment risk worthwhile.

I'm quite certain that the car you are talking about was bought just over sticker, which is why there is a market adjustment. So if a business is going to take a risk... buy a piece of merchandise for $90k... what would be a reasonable return for that risk? 20%? 10%? Less then that? As an investor, myself, I find it pathetic when allegedly successful people bitch and complain about a company trying to pull in a reasonable return on their investment. :tsk:

There is nothing wrong with a dealer making a profit. It's not gouging or jabbing... any more then what you do to your clients in what ever profession you are in. I'm sure that if we knew how you made your money... that more then a few people would think that you are a rip off, too.

If you have the time... do what others have suggested... search the continent for a deal and then go get it yourself. To criticize a business for conducting honest, ethical practices is both pathetic and unreasonable. But of course, as an American... that's your right. :thumbup: You are free to be as ridiculous and unreasonable as you want to be. :thumbup:

Oh... and BTW... we will be getting the first, and only M6 in San Diego for March production and we will be asking $50k over MSRP... :thumbup: ... so I'm quite certain that will be out of your league as well. :D

[lao270]

I've seen them ( I think used) under MSRP with under 1000 mi. I wonder if people buy them and they're too much car. I've seen a couple asking 85k!

[SpeedFreak!]

I've seen them ( I think used) under MSRP with under 1000 mi. I wonder if people buy them and they're too much car. I've seen a couple asking 85k!


That would be my guess... more common then most would think. That... or they find that they can't afford it. :dunno:

[schley]

:rolleyes:
There is absolutely nothing about making a reasonable profit that is morally offensive. Nothing. :confused:

I would suggest that if your going to talk sh!t about a place of business that you at least get the truth and then report the truth... :confused: just a friendly suggestion.

First of all... asking price is just that... asking price. Everything is negotiable.

Obviously... you weren't very serious... because if you had been, you would have discovered that a deal could have been had. :tsk:

Secondly... I happen to know exactly who you are talking about... and happen to know for a fact that due to the market demand in our area, we were forced to buy M5's from other dealers in order to meet our clients demands. During the first couple of months, dealers were selling them to us... a fellow dealer... for $5k-10k over MSRP. Our clients were willing to pay $20k-30k over MSRP... which made the investment risk worthwhile.

I'm quite certain that the car you are talking about was bought just over sticker, which is why there is a market adjustment. So if a business is going to take a risk... buy a piece of merchandise for $90k... what would be a reasonable return for that risk? 20%? 10%? Less then that? As an investor, myself, I find it pathetic when allegedly successful people bitch and complain about a company trying to pull in a reasonable return on their investment. :tsk:

There is nothing wrong with a dealer making a profit. It's not gouging or jabbing... any more then what you do to your clients in what ever profession you are in. I'm sure that if we knew how you made your money... that more then a few people would think that you are a rip off, too.

If you have the time... do what others have suggested... search the continent for a deal and then go get it yourself. To criticize a business for conducting honest, ethical practices is both pathetic and unreasonable. But of course, as an American... that's your right. :thumbup: You are free to be as ridiculous and unreasonable as you want to be. :thumbup:

Oh... and BTW... we will be getting the first, and only M6 in San Diego for March production and we will be asking $50k over MSRP... :thumbup: ... so I'm quite certain that will be out of your league as well. :D



Speed why stop at under 10 insults? You are usually good for double digits, what happened you lost your touch?

Thanks for always offering your unbiased much needed voice of reason :rolleyes:

How much over MSRP do you charge for your opinion? I don't think it is morally wrong to try and make as much as possible off your customers, so you might be able to charge them a "speedfreak as your SA fee?"

Just make sure to insult them and be condescending, and you will keep your HUGE client base you proudly harbor.

Don't respond to this as I might be charged a speedfreak opinion fee on my credit card and I can't afford yours.

[SARAFIL]

I'm quite certain that the car you are talking about was bought just over sticker, which is why there is a market adjustment. So if a business is going to take a risk... buy a piece of merchandise for $90k... what would be a reasonable return for that risk? 20%? 10%? Less then that?


SpeedFreak,

Let me start by saying that the following is just my opinion, and not indicative of the market for M5s anywhere in the US.

With that said, one of the most important things that I've learned in the business is that we have to never be afraid to "sell a car for what it's worth, not what (we) own it for!" It's one of those sayings that I got from my GM early on, and it's an important practice to follow.

This is especially important in our organization where we have policies on aged inventory. If I'm buried in a car and I'm waiting for someone to come along and pay me a price that allows me to still make a profit above my over-inflated cost, I might end up turning away many deals that I could have made otherwise. So, I can either take a loss to sell the car to a retail buyer for the actual market value, or I can take my chances an keep the car, and at some point in the future send it to auction and lose even more money! The right business decision is to take the deal, even if I lose some money... if I own the car for too much, it's never going to get "better", so why wait?

So, let me apply this principle to the hypothetical M5 scenario. Dealer A is in a major market and buys 5 M5s from other dealers at $3,000 over MSRP. It sells 4 of them at a profit, but several months later still has one of the cars in stock. The market has calmed a bit, and now people can readily buy them for MSRP. What do you do? Do you remain thick-headed and hold out for $5,000+ over MSRP so you can make some money, knowing that the market is now MSRP? What happens when you start to let customers walk and go elsewhere? How about when you have more M5s on their way in? Or in a few months when 2007s are coming and your 2006 isn't even worth full MSRP any longer? At what point do you draw the line? My view is that if the market has changed, you need to adjust your position to react. If they are no longer getting MSRP, you need to come in line with market even if it means taking a loss on your over-valued merchandise. Look at it this way... it certainly isn't getting better, and it WILL get worse. Take the smaller loss now vs. the bigger loss later.

Of course, this is based on the hypothetical case that the market for the M5 has cooled down. I'm staying neutral on that issue.

[Arkady]

Speed why stop at under 10 insults? You are usually good for double digits, what happened you lost your touch?

Thanks for always offering your unbiased much needed voice of reason :rolleyes:

How much over MSRP do you charge for your opinion? I don't think it is morally wrong to try and make as much as possible off your customers, so you might be able to charge them a "speedfreak as your SA fee?"

Just make sure to insult them and be condescending, and you will keep your HUGE client base you proudly harbor.

Don't respond to this as I might be charged a speedfreak opinion fee on my credit card and I can't afford yours.

:rofl: :thumbup:

[SpeedFreak!]

Speed why stop at under 10 insults? You are usually good for double digits, what happened you lost your touch?

Thanks for always offering your unbiased much needed voice of reason :rolleyes:

How much over MSRP do you charge for your opinion? I don't think it is morally wrong to try and make as much as possible off your customers, so you might be able to charge them a "speedfreak as your SA fee?"

Just make sure to insult them and be condescending, and you will keep your HUGE client base you proudly harbor.

Don't respond to this as I might be charged a speedfreak opinion fee on my credit card and I can't afford yours.


:rofl: I'm glad that I can always count on you... schley... for your charming replies to my posts. :thumbup:

(You might want to check your statement online... there's only a 3 day right of recision)

[SpeedFreak!]

SpeedFreak,

Let me start by saying that the following is just my opinion, and not indicative of the market for M5s anywhere in the US.

With that said, one of the most important things that I've learned in the business is that we have to never be afraid to "sell a car for what it's worth, not what (we) own it for!" It's one of those sayings that I got from my GM early on, and it's an important practice to follow.

This is especially important in our organization where we have policies on aged inventory. If I'm buried in a car and I'm waiting for someone to come along and pay me a price that allows me to still make a profit above my over-inflated cost, I might end up turning away many deals that I could have made otherwise. So, I can either take a loss to sell the car to a retail buyer for the actual market value, or I can take my chances an keep the car, and at some point in the future send it to auction and lose even more money! The right business decision is to take the deal, even if I lose some money... if I own the car for too much, it's never going to get "better", so why wait?

So, let me apply this principle to the hypothetical M5 scenario. Dealer A is in a major market and buys 5 M5s from other dealers at $3,000 over MSRP. It sells 4 of them at a profit, but several months later still has one of the cars in stock. The market has calmed a bit, and now people can readily buy them for MSRP. What do you do? Do you remain thick-headed and hold out for $5,000+ over MSRP so you can make some money, knowing that the market is now MSRP? What happens when you start to let customers walk and go elsewhere? How about when you have more M5s on their way in? Or in a few months when 2007s are coming and your 2006 isn't even worth full MSRP any longer? At what point do you draw the line? My view is that if the market has changed, you need to adjust your position to react. If they are no longer getting MSRP, you need to come in line with market even if it means taking a loss on your over-valued merchandise. Look at it this way... it certainly isn't getting better, and it WILL get worse. Take the smaller loss now vs. the bigger loss later.

Of course, this is based on the hypothetical case that the market for the M5 has cooled down. I'm staying neutral on that issue.


Dude... I love ya... but you completely missed the point of my post.

The OP was not a serious buyer... had he been a serious buyer (as I pointed out in the beginning of my post) then he would have found that we operate exactly as you stated.

First of all... asking price is just that... asking price. Everything is negotiable.

Obviously... you weren't very serious... because if you had been, you would have discovered that a deal could have been had.

Market value is what it is regardless of what we are into the car for... and we have no problem selling a BMW... any BMW for what the market will bare.

He was offended by our asking price... and didn't believe the :blah: blah, blah, blah that he was told.

THAT... is the problem with the OP and his position.

My explanation was to clarify the :blah: blah, blah, blah that the OP so easily and disrespectfully dismissed. It was to add a proper context to the situation and the primary reason for asking such a price in the first place.

[Magoon]

He was offended by our asking price... and didn't believe the :blah: blah, blah, blah that he was told.

If the asking price is out of the ballpark, the potential buyer may go elsewhere because he feels that you are being unreasonable to start with. It is not unreasonable to expect a return on your investment but as another poster mentioned, you have to stay in tune with the market. It's no different than selling a stock or selling a house.

[SpeedFreak!]

If the asking price is out of the ballpark, the potential buyer may go elsewhere because he feels that you are being unreasonable to start with. It is not unreasonable to expect a return on your investment but as another poster mentioned, you have to stay in tune with the market. It's no different than selling a stock or selling a house.

I couldn't agree more.

However... in the context of this specific situation and the SoCal market... I happen to know that asking $20k over for an M5 is perfectly normal.

And again... if the OP had shown respect and understanding... rather then to be unreasonable and to choose to be insulted... he would have discovered that a deal could have been worked out. My point really was that simple.

[chuck92103]

However... in the context of this specific situation and the SoCal market... I happen to know that asking $20k over for an M5 is perfectly normal.

:stupid: I have lived in Southern a good part of my life. It is down right amazing what folks will spend money on. There is a lot of loot floating around and a $100k car is chump change to a lot of folks.

I guarantee you these are not the same folks asking about lease deals on bimmerfest. :bigpimp:

[SpeedFreak!]

:stupid: I have lived in Southern a good part of my life. It is down right amazing what folks will spend money on. There is a lot of loot floating around and a $100k car is chump change to a lot of folks.

I guarantee you these are not the same folks asking about lease deals on bimmerfest. :bigpimp:

Exactly. :thumbup:

And I've said it a thousand times... I'm not willing to pay over MSRP either. I would rather be patient... and wait. I find myself justifying the fact that the second and third year are usually better anyway. :eeps: But God Bless all those filthy rich folks who are willing to pay to be first. :D

[lao270]

Exactly. :thumbup:

And I've said it a thousand times... I'm not willing to pay over MSRP either. I would rather be patient... and wait. I find myself justifying the fact that the second and third year are usually better anyway. :eeps: But God Bless all those filthy rich folks who are willing to pay to be first. :D

You have to pay over MSRP! Otherwise you would have never gotten an NSX, Testarossa, etc.........etc.........

OOPS

[schley]

:rofl: I'm glad that I can always count on you... schley... for your charming replies to my posts. :thumbup:

(You might want to check your statement online... there's only a 3 day right of recision)
:wow:

damn I have to make sure to call them and cancel my speedfreak advice subscription!

love ya don't tell ya enough:D

[wwb4]

That would be my guess... more common then most would think. That... or they find that they can't afford it. :dunno:

More than likely the latter of the two. :dunno:

[wwb4]

Speed why stop at under 10 insults? You are usually good for double digits, what happened you lost your touch?

Thanks for always offering your unbiased much needed voice of reason :rolleyes:

How much over MSRP do you charge for your opinion? I don't think it is morally wrong to try and make as much as possible off your customers, so you might be able to charge them a "speedfreak as your SA fee?"

Just make sure to insult them and be condescending, and you will keep your HUGE client base you proudly harbor.

Don't respond to this as I might be charged a speedfreak opinion fee on my credit card and I can't afford yours.

:rofl:

[jetstream23]

Come out to Arizona. BMW North Scottsdale has told me that they will not sell a car over MSRP. Even the e90 M3 that has a waiting list about 25 people long will be sold at MSRP when it arrives. That's what they say at least. I've had very good sales and service there.

[krispykreme]

I have decided to buy at least one of the following:

M5
M6
Carrera S
Cayman SSo I went into my friendly BMW dealer where I've done a lot of business to take a look at the M5.

They were asking $108,000! ("we had to get it specially from some guy... blah blah blah").

I find this form of price jabbing morally offensive and will no longer even service my car at this dealership.

So a few questions:

Did anyone out there pay more than sticker for their car?
Did anyone out there pay less than sticker?
Can anyone recommend a San Diego/Orange County (or even LA) dealer that doesn't price jab?Thanks!

if you don't mind the drive from Oregon.

Check the board sponsor Delon BMW in Salem Oregon.

Bought mine with Beewang's help for sticker (1st car delivered in west coast- as far as i know).

If delon has allocation, you can get it for MSRP. Also, the drive down from Salem is very pleasureable. By the time you reached san diegom, you are almost done with 1200 mile break in.

[stream]

East Bay BMW in Pleasanton has a black/black, with all options, at MSRP (customer backed out).

Call Helen Akkawi at 888-216-9269.

[gr8330]

Come out to Arizona. BMW North Scottsdale has told me that they will not sell a car over MSRP. Even the e90 M3 that has a waiting list about 25 people long will be sold at MSRP when it arrives. That's what they say at least. I've had very good sales and service there.

I'm interested in a M6 and the person I talked to said the same about the M6. He did add that the White M5 they got from the Porsche dealer had an inflated price, it had around 800 miles on it I believe.

[vegastrashed]

If the OP is still interested in a M5 in SD, I heard that there is a couple of local dealerships that are selling at MSRP. I was in Santee this afternoon at Phil Thearle's Autowerks getting an estimate for a paint and install of the M-tech body kit for my 545. Was with him for 2 hours talking about a lot of stuff. Found out that he is on a wait list for I think either a M5 or M6 or both. I told him that he didn't need to be on a list and that they can be had for MSRP. He already knew and told me that two dealers in SD are selling at MSRP. He is on the list because he wants to customize it to his liking.

Off topic a bit:
For this who don't know who Phil Thearle is, his shop Autowerks is, IMHO, the best body shop in SD county. He gave me a tour of his shop and showed me some of the work that was being done. Off the top of my head I can remember seeing a few E60s, E46 M3, Jag, IS350, and Corvette. On the tour he mentioned every car repaired there is to oem spec.

Back to the topic:
So, anyone living in or near SD county can after all get a M5 at MSRP from a dealer. I think Cunningham's is one... If the OP is really interested reply back b/c I will be calling his shop in a few days to let him know if he has my business or not. I will then find out exactly which dealerships from him.

[Emission]

I have decided to buy at least one of the following:

M5
M6
Carrera S
Cayman SSo I went into my friendly BMW dealer where I've done a lot of business to take a look at the M5.



I am a bit late to jump in on this post... but it appears you really don't know what you want (is it performance, or image you are seeking?).

The M5 compared to the Cayman S is like comparing apples to grapes - very different vehicles. I don't understand how you can be in the market for both.

In any case, you shouldn't have any problems finding everything but the M6 at list price.

[M6OpusX]

I find it outrageous that people in the west coast have to pay even $1 over MSRP. Here in Alabama, or in the East coast, you can get an M5 for MSRP. If I lived in CA and had to pay even $5K over MSRP, I would order the M5 from a dealer in Alabama (where I live) or in the East Coast, fly first class to pick it up, and either drive it or ship it to CA. And save lots of money and enjoy a nice, short vacation.

The BMW warranty must be honored by all dealers in the USA, so warranty is not an issue. Waiting list? Some dealers have one, some I understand not. But I would certainly wait one year to save $15K to $20K, as much as I wanted the M5.

For the difference I could get a used 325i or 330i and use it as a second car. Heck, I would buy a used 325i in the west coast , drive it to the east coast to pick-up my new M5 at MSRP, and sell ithe 325i for a couple thousand dollars less than I bought it and still save money, and have a fun vacation included.

[760Lifan]

I find it outrageous that people in the west coast have to pay even $1 over MSRP. Here in Alabama, or in the East coast, you can get an M5 for MSRP. If I lived in CA and had to pay even $5K over MSRP, I would order the M5 from a dealer in Alabama (where I live) or in the East Coast, fly first class to pick it up, and either drive it or ship it to CA. And save lots of money and enjoy a nice, short vacation.

The BMW warranty must be honored by all dealers in the USA, so warranty is not an issue. Waiting list? Some dealers have one, some I understand not. But I would certainly wait one year to save $15K to $20K, as much as I wanted the M5.

For the difference I could get a used 325i or 330i and use it as a second car. Heck, I would buy a used 325i in the west coast , drive it to the east coast to pick-up my new M5 at MSRP, and sell ithe 325i for a couple thousand dollars less than I bought it and still save money, and have a fun vacation included.
Totally agree! Especially if you know this forum.....

[ThatOneGuy]

Weatherford BMW (Berkeley) had a silver one for sale at MSRP. Ask for Grace Wong, she's excellent.

[wmbiii]

[QUOTE=SpeedFreak!]:rolleyes:
There is absolutely nothing about making a reasonable profit that is morally offensive. Nothing. :confused:

I would suggest that if your going to talk sh!t about a place of business that you at least get the truth and then report the truth... :confused: just a friendly suggestion.

Seriously this takes the cake. Guess you have a reason to get defensive out there in San Diego? You really make yourself out to be a jackass with that reply.

[BmW745On19's]

[QUOTE=SpeedFreak!]:rolleyes:
There is absolutely nothing about making a reasonable profit that is morally offensive. Nothing. :confused:

I would suggest that if your going to talk sh!t about a place of business that you at least get the truth and then report the truth... :confused: just a friendly suggestion.

Seriously this takes the cake. Guess you have a reason to get defensive out there in San Diego? You really make yourself out to be a jackass with that reply.

Sir, I haven't followed this topic at all and from the way your acting I can firmly say that you are making an ass out of yourself. I can understand why speedfreak is getting a bit defensive because if im not mistaken I beleive he sells/sold BMWs. And also he owns his own business, and being a fellow entrpeneur I can agree that you don't go around talking crap about a business without knowing all the facts and not just assuming, because you know what happens when you assume, you make an ASS out of U and ME.

[Ågent99]

Totally agree! Especially if you know this forum.....

Ah, someone finally nailed it!

We are but a small contingency of potential BMW owners. How many of the folks that buy M5s or M6s read these boards? I bet very few.

Those that do are informed and thus will likely be able to get a price they really want but we are in the minority. For every potential BMW buyer that walks into a dealership, how many of them are armed with the 'Fest's information? Very few, I'd say....

[Chemical7]

After reading this post, and realizing that one of the individuals is a BMW employee, I may have to go Porsche for the next purchase. :tsk: