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nexus9
02-05-2006, 07:09 PM
Dunno how legitimate this is, but it's being sold by a BMW Dealership. .

Here is the link:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=ADME:B:EOIBSAA:US:11&Item=5863377273


And here is the copy from the listing:

BMW is pleased to announce a revolutionary new product that allows customers with any CPT9000 hands-free phone system to update their vehicles to use Bluetooth® wireless technology with one simple device. The Bluetooth® Upgrade Module (BTUM) is shaped exactly like a CPT9000 (Motorola V60 series) phone and is installed into the phone cradle in place of the original CPT9000 handset. It provides the link between an approved Bluetooth® phone and the vehicle’s original phone system. Up to 2 different phones can be paired with the BTUM; however, only one can be used with the system at a time. The BTUM allows the customer to continue to use the original functions of the phone system in the vehicle but now with a BMW approved compatible Bluetooth® phone.

These features include:
• Multi function steering wheel telephone controls (MFL), if equipped, to send or end a call

• Display the address book of an approved phone and dial a stored number (500 contacts per phone)
• Telephone dialing via the on board radio controls or iDrive (as equipped)
• Voice recognition SES (if equipped) dialing and name tags
Important: The BTUM module does not power or charge the phone handset or provide a link to an external antenna. Please refer to owner’s manual for additional important information. While Bluetooth® wireless technology is a global standard; there are a variety of profiles that manufacturers can choose to implement in their Bluetooth® devices. In certain cases, the BMW BTUM and the Bluetooth® mobile phone do not share the necessary profiles to work together as a hands-free system. For this reason, not all available Bluetooth® phones are compatible with the BTUM.

The list of compatible phones that have been tested with this system are provided below:

Motorola E815, Motorola V3c Razr, Motorola V551, Motorola V330, Nokia 6230, Sony Ericsson T637, Sony Ericsson S710a.

I just grabbed it on a whim, we'll see if it is true!

I did some more digging and found out that the same module is also being qualified for Jaguar as well, so it looks kosher.. the BMW part number is: 84 11 0 410 145 and it is supposed to retail for $295.00

SARAFIL
02-05-2006, 07:21 PM
Dunno how legitimate this is, but it's being sold by a BMW Dealership. .

Here is the link:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=ADME:B:EOIBSAA:US:11&Item=5863377273


And here is the copy from the listing:

BMW is pleased to announce a revolutionary new product that allows customers with any CPT9000 hands-free phone system to update their vehicles to use Bluetooth® wireless technology with one simple device. The Bluetooth® Upgrade Module (BTUM) is shaped exactly like a CPT9000 (Motorola V60 series) phone and is installed into the phone cradle in place of the original CPT9000 handset. It provides the link between an approved Bluetooth® phone and the vehicle’s original phone system. Up to 2 different phones can be paired with the BTUM; however, only one can be used with the system at a time. The BTUM allows the customer to continue to use the original functions of the phone system in the vehicle but now with a BMW approved compatible Bluetooth® phone.

These features include:
• Multi function steering wheel telephone controls (MFL), if equipped, to send or end a call

• Display the address book of an approved phone and dial a stored number (500 contacts per phone)
• Telephone dialing via the on board radio controls or iDrive (as equipped)
• Voice recognition SES (if equipped) dialing and name tags
Important: The BTUM module does not power or charge the phone handset or provide a link to an external antenna. Please refer to owner’s manual for additional important information. While Bluetooth® wireless technology is a global standard; there are a variety of profiles that manufacturers can choose to implement in their Bluetooth® devices. In certain cases, the BMW BTUM and the Bluetooth® mobile phone do not share the necessary profiles to work together as a hands-free system. For this reason, not all available Bluetooth® phones are compatible with the BTUM.

The list of compatible phones that have been tested with this system are provided below:

Motorola E815, Motorola V3c Razr, Motorola V551, Motorola V330, Nokia 6230, Sony Ericsson T637, Sony Ericsson S710a.

I just grabbed it on a whim, we'll see if it is true!

I did some more digging and found out that the same module is also being qualified for Jaguar as well, so it looks kosher.. the BMW part number is: 84 11 0 410 145 and it is supposed to retail for $295.00


This product is the "real deal"... I had the chance to look at one the other day, it has the same shape as the CPT9000 phone and slides right into the phone cradle. I didn't get a chance to test it out, though.

kato23
02-05-2006, 07:21 PM
hey let me know if it works so i can purchase one also

bimmer7
02-06-2006, 07:26 AM
Is it available in Canada?

triple_sissy
02-06-2006, 09:18 PM
If I originally had CPT8000 in my car, would it work with the connector I have? My fear is it will not ...

Peter

kd2789mo
02-07-2006, 07:31 PM
I'm supposed to be picking-up a BTUM from my dealer tomorrow. I'll be using it with Razr's.

Peter,
From what I recall, the connection plug on the Timeport (8000) is different from the one on the v60 (9000). Are you thinking for your '03? If so, you could probably just change the pig-tail to the one for the 9000, then plug it into the BTUM. The current 9000 cradle connects the v60 to the communication wing through the external antenna connection on the top of the phone, and to power & iDrive by the male end of the pigtail, which is molded into the bottom of the cradle. Since there is no antenna connection needed, the cradle essentially just becomes a holder.
If that's where you're headed, I can locate you the BMW PN for the correct pigtail.

triple_sissy
02-08-2006, 08:46 PM
Yes, you are correct - I am thinking about my '03. I have the RAZR now and really need to get the BT going.
Could you give me the right part number then? Thank you.

Peter

kd2789mo
02-08-2006, 09:12 PM
Yes, you are correct - I am thinking about my '03. I have the RAZR now and really need to get the BT going.
Could you give me the right part number then? Thank you.

Peter
I'll find the PN for the pigtail for you tomorrow. I got the BTUM today, here's the post
http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=131635

kd2789mo
02-09-2006, 10:52 AM
Yes, you are correct - I am thinking about my '03. I have the RAZR now and really need to get the BT going.
Could you give me the right part number then? Thank you.
Peter
Peter,
The pigtail PN is 51-16-7-060-175
Also, HERE (http://members.cox.net/jeffnin2/5series_cpt9000_install.pdf) is a link that shows the complete breakdown of the CPT9000 install.
It's for the e60, but for reference of the pigtail, and phone connection plug, it is the same as the e65.

triple_sissy
02-11-2006, 06:59 AM
Thank you.

kbkoch
02-11-2006, 04:40 PM
So KD, I want to make sure I fully understand your comment. I have the CPT8000 phone. I buy the Pigtail that will allow for a CPT9000 phone (which I don't need to buy) and then buy the BTUM to plug into my new converted pigtail. After all of this I should be able to use my bluetooth phone via the I Drive system. (assuming I have the correct BT phone supported by the BTUM product). It sounds like it will work... I just want to make sure I am buying the correct pieces for the puzzle!
I'm just retracing my steps!

Thanks,

Kevin

kd2789mo
02-12-2006, 09:44 PM
Thank you.
ts,
I had to put this in a post, PM's do not allow for attachments.
I've attached a pix which shows the part. I highlighted the cable. I could not locate the PN. The end of the cable that plugs into the wire harness should be the same on all 7's.
Then end that comes up into the eject box (cradle) differs depending on the phone. Yours now should have the end that plugs into a TimePort, and you need the one with the end that plugs into a V60.
Here's the spec from realoem, and you'll notice #4, pointing to the upper portion of the cable, that may be the PN, but you should check with a BMW parts dept.
http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts.do?model=GL63&mospid=47777&btnr=84_0334&hg=84&fg=20
Hope this helps.

MunchE
02-13-2006, 09:24 AM
#4 there for a 2002 745i shows as 84-21-6-913-472, Harness Connector. For cars produced before 1/03. By the diagram, if you get #2 it should include #4 as well. Since you can only get #4 seperately in the 02 model, it stands to reason that is for the 8000 phone, while the later ones are for the 9000 phone.

#2, the phone mount, shows 3 different parts depending on production date.
Before 1/03: 84-21-6-913-469
03/03-11/03: 84-21-6-924-947
03/03-03/05: 84-21-6-944-026

Hope this helps!

MunchE
02-13-2006, 12:52 PM
kd, I pulled up that part number you posted and it looks to be a plastic bracket for mounting the phone.

Here is the diagram with the part on it, you posted the PN for #17:
http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts.do?model=NA53&mospid=47757&btnr=51_5114&hg=51&fg=35&hl=142

We have one here, and it's just a plastic bracket. Maybe #14 ADAPTER is the pigtail you want? I don't have one in stock, so I can't say for sure. I have a cust trying to convert an 8000 so if we got the BTUM working on it that'd be great news!

Sinjin
02-14-2006, 09:43 PM
This module works great! The only issue is that you have to press the button on the module in order for the phone book to update. Installation and set up about 60 secs. Finally BMW came up with a simple solution.

kd2789mo
02-14-2006, 10:50 PM
This module works great! The only issue is that you have to press the button on the module in order for the phone book to update. Installation and set up about 60 secs. Finally BMW came up with a simple solution.
Sinjin,

Have you tried pair a 2nd bluetooth phone?
As you said the setup was very simple, and once the phone is paired, the only way I can find to pair the 2nd phone is to hold the button down for the 3 seconds to put the BTUM into pairing mode. But, that un-pairs the first phone.
The OM says it will pair up to 2 phones, but give no instruction as how to pair the second.
Any ideas?

MunchE
02-17-2006, 10:52 AM
I tested this yesterday with my W600i, and I was able to make and receive calls fine. I was not able to transfer my contacts or test any other phones, as I was using a customer car. I don't have a CPT9000 of my own to try out.

It worked and sounded great!

JT///M3
02-17-2006, 11:16 AM
If I change the pigtail part and install the BT module you guys stated, will it work in a 01 740iS? I have the CPT8000 phone now. It sounds in concept similar to the E65 cars with the CPT8000 setup.

JT///M3
02-17-2006, 12:12 PM
[QUOTE=Sinjin]The only issue is that you have to press the button on the module in order for the phone book to update. /QUOTE]

I'm not sure if that is even an issue.

nexus9
02-17-2006, 06:37 PM
Well, I finally got my Bluetooth module for my car, however, I can't try it out because my car is in the shop for it's regularly scheduled breakdown (this time it's the transmission leaking). So once I get it back in about 5-10 days, I'll let you know how it worked out for me ;).

steve50moore
02-18-2006, 01:31 PM
From these posts, I'm not clear if ANYONE has gotten the bluetooth to work with an '02 745, that has the CPT 8000? If you have via the pigtail approach or any other way, please let us know. I will grant hero status to anyone who helps me figure this out!

Cheers, Steve
'02 745i March build

JT///M3
02-18-2006, 08:19 PM
From these posts, I'm not clear if ANYONE has gotten the bluetooth to work with an '02 745, that has the CPT 8000? If you have via the pigtail approach or any other way, please let us know. I will grant hero status to anyone who helps me figure this out!

Cheers, Steve
'02 745i March build

I 2nd that. If you anyone can confirm the pigtail replacement for the CPT8000 to CPT9000 will work, please, let us know.

hlwester
02-20-2006, 10:21 PM
I installed it on my car with a Motorola E815 and feels it works great. My only complaint is that I no longer have the antena range I had before with the car's antena.

kd2789mo
02-21-2006, 10:19 AM
I installed it on my car with a Motorola E815 and feels it works great. My only complaint is that I no longer have the antenna range I had before with the car's antenna.
Odd....I was using a v60, and the most significant thing I noticed is the improved range using the communication wing.
Probably your E815 is stronger than the v60 when handheld?

MunchE
02-21-2006, 10:38 AM
http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts.do?model=NA53&mospid=47757&btnr=51_5114&hg=51&fg=35&hl=142

I am going to try to get a picture of #14, the adapter, to see if maybe that will offer some hope to CPT8000 cars. I'll let you guys know/post it when I get more info. Right now it seems the only cars that we CAN'T bluetooth are the CPT8000 E65/E66 cars. Hopefully we can change that!

JWD
02-22-2006, 09:41 AM
Seems legitimate, my BMW dealer also told me they sell it. It is definetly a BMW part. I was told it will only work with the CPT 9000 (as opposed to 8000) phone. I think the CPT 9000's started in Novemeber 2002. Don't know how well it works because I can't use it on my car which has a CPT 8000 phone. You can get a CPT 8000 phone upgraded to the CPT 9000 sytem but this costs about $1,000 at the dealer plus the $295 for the bluettoth conversion unit.

jek889
02-23-2006, 10:53 AM
I just installed the new BTUM in my '03 that had the CPT9000, and paired it up w/a Motorola E815. It took about 10 mins. to read the manual, slip in the spacer from the kit, drop in the module, and pair up the phone. Congrats. to BMW for coming up w/an easy fix for updating the phone system. Anyone want to buy my CPT9000 (CDMA/Verizon)?

triple_sissy
02-23-2006, 08:26 PM
ts,
I've attached a pix which shows the part. I highlighted the cable. I could not locate the PN. The end of the cable that plugs into the wire harness should be the same on all 7's.
Then end that comes up into the eject box (cradle) differs depending on the phone. Yours now should have the end that plugs into a TimePort, and you need the one with the end that plugs into a V60.
Hope this helps.
So I went to the dealer today. I was told that in addition to the part you described (which is about $200.00) I will need the whole TCU swapped, since the one I have only works with CPT8000. If this is true, then I think it will be major bucks to stay with original BMW parts. Maybe waiting for the EIS kit in May is not such a bad idea ...

Peter

kd2789mo
02-23-2006, 10:23 PM
I received a reply from an inquiry I sent to Motorola.
I had asked what was needed to use the BTUM with the CPT7 & 8000 phones.
The reply states, "The BMW BTUM is designed to be compatible with 2002-2004 BMW vehicles equipped with the CPT9000 interface for Motorola V60 series phones. Kindly direct any further application modification inquiries to BMW."
Suppose it would have been nice to know that before we did all the digging trying to find out.

MunchE
02-24-2006, 11:03 AM
As far as I can tell guys, the only way to upgrade cars from 8000-9000 is that bulletin that dealt with upgrading later production cars. I imagine you could do it to any car, BMW is just only paying for the 9/02-12/02 production cars because that was their snafu, no MY03 cars should have a CPT8000 phone. It stands to reason that it would work in any of the E65/E66 vehicles, but you'd buy your own TCU and install kit. Plus you'd pay for the labor. All in all you'd probably be $1500 deep, assuming you find a dealership willing and able to do it.


If anyone feels like taking this on, check out Bulletin # 84 06 03
It says the job requires:
CPT9k Install Kit (9/02-12/02 Only): 84-11-0-300-851 $215
Telematics Control Unit: 84-11-6-935-268 $1070 (+$500 core charge)

You might also reference PN 84 11 6 935 268 for an install kit.

As for installation, Service Bulletin SI B 84 01 03 is also referenced. This is basically instructions for the dealer on installing the unit.

sidk
02-24-2006, 01:16 PM
I happened upon this board and just picked up the BTUM from SF BMW. Worked seamlessly with a nokia 6230, allowing me to use the phone to make calls and access the phone book. Limited compatibility with my Treo 650. I can answer calls to the Treo with the steering wheel and use the car's mic and speakers. Could not dial using the car keypad or voice dialing. To dial I had to use the treo, which then piped through the car's system.

triple_sissy
02-24-2006, 04:53 PM
I happened upon this board and just picked up the BTUM from SF BMW. Worked seamlessly with a nokia 6230, allowing me to use the phone to make calls and access the phone book. Limited compatibility with my Treo 650. I can answer calls to the Treo with the steering wheel and use the car's mic and speakers. Could not dial using the car keypad or voice dialing. To dial I had to use the treo, which then piped through the car's system.
And of course you had the CPT9000 system?

Peter

sidk
02-24-2006, 07:01 PM
Yes I have the CPT9000 system. Any better experiences with the Treo and the BTUM?

keithand921
03-02-2006, 09:00 PM
This item will work on all 2003-2005 745Li or 745i with an intergrated phone system. I bought one from the dealer for $295.00 and it works great. The entire phone system is fully functional. I use mine with a Razr phone and it is wonderful. A must buy item for any 745 owner. They also make several other units that will upgrade other BMW intergrated systems, I just know the one designed for my model BMW works great.

bdecout
03-03-2006, 10:54 AM
I have a blackberry 7250 and at first I couldn't do much.
I got the car updated with V20.2 and I can now place and receive call using keypad or voice.
The address book doesn't transfer but I can live with that.
If you are having problems, make sure you car has the latest software.

kd2789mo
03-03-2006, 02:05 PM
This item will work on all 2003-2005 745Li or 745i with an intergrated phone system. I bought one from the dealer for $295.00 and it works great. The entire phone system is fully functional. I use mine with a Razr phone and it is wonderful. A must buy item for any 745 owner. They also make several other units that will upgrade other BMW intergrated systems, I just know the one designed for my model BMW works great.
A 2005 is a 750, which comes OEM with bluetooth ULF.
The BTUM will work with any BMW which has CPT9000 integration. There are a few models, other than 2002-2004 e65/66 with CPT9000 integration, and the BTUM is compatible with them also.
Some 2002-2003 e65/66 have CPT7000-8000 integration, and apparently the BTUM is NOT compatible with these.

XZLR8
03-04-2006, 07:03 PM
A 2005 is a 750, which comes OEM with bluetooth ULF.
The BTUM will work with any BMW which has CPT9000 integration.
Actually, 2005 E65/E66s are still 745s. I own one. 750s are model year 2006.

At any rate, I'm excited to try one of these BT modules in my 7. I contacted my dealer today about it and hope to pick it up next week.

kd2789mo
03-04-2006, 07:55 PM
Actually, 2005 E65/E66s are still 745s. I own one. 750s are model year 2006.
Sorry, I mis-worded the post. I had meant to imply, the March '05 production date of e65/66 changed to the 750, which included the OEM bluetooth ULF.

You'll love the BTUM, I use it with 2 Razr's...seamless! Each time you change phones, it updates the iDrive phone-book to the phone it's paired with.

MattS
03-05-2006, 06:15 AM
Yes I have the CPT9000 system. Any better experiences with the Treo and the BTUM?

I have a Cingular Treo 650 and the phone pairs, calls, answers, uses the built in key pad but will only download the first page of my favorites, not the full phonebook.

Very pleased that it works his well considering it is not shown as supported.

Good luck.

-Matt

triple_sissy
03-05-2006, 07:28 AM
This item will work on all 2003-2005 745Li or 745i with an intergrated phone system. I bought one from the dealer for $295.00 and it works great. The entire phone system is fully functional. I use mine with a Razr phone and it is wonderful. A must buy item for any 745 owner. They also make several other units that will upgrade other BMW intergrated systems, I just know the one designed for my model BMW works great.
No, it will not. It will not work with mine, even though I have a 2003 model. It was an early 2003 (manufactured in 2002) and it still has CPT8000 system in it, which doesn't work with the BTUM.

MunchE
03-06-2006, 11:25 AM
No, it will not. It will not work with mine, even though I have a 2003 model. It was an early 2003 (manufactured in 2002) and it still has CPT8000 system in it, which doesn't work with the BTUM.

That bulletin I posted applies to you, your car should have come with the CPT9000 and it was BMW's mistake that it came wired wrong. It requires a new TCU (~$1000) and an install kit (~$265) but this is to be paid for by BMWNA, as per the bulletin that I saw on it. E-mail me directly if you'd like for more info, but this should be something your dealership fixes for free.

triple_sissy
03-06-2006, 06:22 PM
That bulletin I posted applies to you, your car should have come with the CPT9000 and it was BMW's mistake that it came wired wrong. It requires a new TCU (~$1000) and an install kit (~$265) but this is to be paid for by BMWNA, as per the bulletin that I saw on it. E-mail me directly if you'd like for more info, but this should be something your dealership fixes for free.
No kidding! That would be so nice if they do it :)

Peter

crash8168
03-06-2006, 07:01 PM
If I originally had CPT8000 in my car, would it work with the connector I have? My fear is it will not ...

Peter
You can upgrade the 8000 to 9000 and then buy the adapter.

crash8168
03-06-2006, 07:05 PM
If I change the pigtail part and install the BT module you guys stated, will it work in a 01 740iS? I have the CPT8000 phone now. It sounds in concept similar to the E65 cars with the CPT8000 setup.
you need the 9000 phone module also which is different on e65, however the phone module from an x5 should work. you would still need the 9000 upgrade kit also and mounting the handset would be a problem.

triple_sissy
03-07-2006, 06:43 PM
That bulletin I posted applies to you, your car should have come with the CPT9000 and it was BMW's mistake that it came wired wrong. It requires a new TCU (~$1000) and an install kit (~$265) but this is to be paid for by BMWNA, as per the bulletin that I saw on it. E-mail me directly if you'd like for more info, but this should be something your dealership fixes for free.
So should I refer to Bulletin # 84 06 03 when I talk to the dealer in order to get a free CPT 9000 upgrade?

Thanks.

Peter

XZLR8
03-08-2006, 07:18 AM
I apologize if this question has been answered already.

I just ordered the BT Module and amexcited about receiving it for my '05 745i. I currently use a Razr with Verizon and won't be disappointed to say goodbye to the V60 and additional line that I've kept around for the 7.

My question is related to voice dialing. With BT, do you still use the saved "voice tags" that I already have stored in the 7 from the V60 (tags saved in my own voice), or will I have access to voice dialing from all numbers in my Razr (computerized voice tags), such as BT voice dialing in my 650i? Can someone explain how the voice dialing component works once they've made the switch?

kd2789mo
03-08-2006, 11:25 AM
XZLR8,
No change. The voice commands already in iDrive remain, and still function.
The BTUM does not recognize any voice dial commands from your Razr.
It will recognize your Razr's phone-book, last dialed and missed calls.
Despite what you may have read otherwise, the BTUM DOES update your iDrive with your Razr's phone-book each time the BTUM bonds to your Razr.
Also, if you decide to use a second BT phone with the BTUM (it is capable of pairing 2), the BTUM updates the iDrive phone-book each time it bonds with a different paired phone.
If you enter the vehicle with both powered-on BTUM paired phones, the BTUM recognizes the last phone it was bonded with. If you turn off that phone, you must then turn off, and turn back on the other phone in order for the BTUM to recognize it. The BTUM does not perform a seek when bonding is interrupted.

XZLR8
03-08-2006, 01:25 PM
XZLR8,
No change. The voice commands already in iDrive remain, and still function.
Great information, kd. Thanks for taking the time to reply.

XZLR8
03-09-2006, 05:29 PM
Update: I received the BTUM in the mail today, did a quick and painless pairing with my Verizon Razr and everything seems to work flawlessly. Wonderful!

triple_sissy
04-27-2006, 08:07 PM
Anyone with a copy of Bulletin # 84 06 03 ?

The dealer says it is not in the system and want me to fax it over ???

Peter

Bonger
04-27-2006, 10:11 PM
I have a Cingular Treo 650 and the phone pairs, calls, answers, uses the built in key pad but will only download the first page of my favorites, not the full phonebook.

Very pleased that it works his well considering it is not shown as supported.

Good luck.

-Matt

This is where I am with the BTUM and my Sprint Treo 650 (1.13 fw)
There are 14 possible entries for the 1st page. When I had the first page full, it would only pull 13 - not the last one (#14) for that page. When I had only 12 on the first page and some on the 2nd page, it would still only pull 13 (all 12 from the first page and the 1st from the 2nd page to give me 13 again). I only have phone numbers on all my favorites list.

BIGRCL92677
05-01-2006, 04:10 PM
HELLO EVERYONE,
Ryan here i have installed and tested the bluetooth module on at least 20 or more vehicles and have had very good luck with this module i have also used the same module on cpt 9000 mercedes vehicles and have had great results. If anyone has any questions about this module or you need to know where to obtain one feel free to call me or email me. My email is ryan@ccwireless.com or you can reach me at 760 412 2279. hope everyone has a great week!

laikin
08-31-2006, 11:50 AM
I happened upon this board and just picked up the BTUM from SF BMW. Worked seamlessly with a nokia 6230, allowing me to use the phone to make calls and access the phone book. Limited compatibility with my Treo 650. I can answer calls to the Treo with the steering wheel and use the car's mic and speakers. Could not dial using the car keypad or voice dialing. To dial I had to use the treo, which then piped through the car's system.

Alright, I got the BTUM working in my '03 745 Li last week also using a Nokia 6230 on Cingular Wireless. I've tried PMing SidK but haven't heard back so I thought I might pose the question to the whole forum. Right now, I can use the in-dash pad to dial and steering wheel buttons to answer/hang up calls, but my phone book has not loaded into the iDrive system like it should. I've tried re-pairing multiple times and pushing the button for about 1 second to update the phone book, but still no dice. Has anyone else gotten this setup to work and could maybe help me... I'm wonding if it's something to do with my phone memory settings.

I bought the BTUM from Morristown BMW over eBay. If the unit turns out to be defective, would my local dealer take care of the situation (read: try a replacement unit) since it's a genuine BMW part bought from a dealership that isn't working properly?

Thanks for any help

dk
08-31-2006, 07:38 PM
Possibly but not all BT phones support all of the BMW functionality. It is very possible (and likely) the issue is with the phone and not the adapter.

clucas42
09-25-2006, 11:02 AM
did anyone get this pig tail to work

DRWWE
09-25-2006, 04:09 PM
This module works great! The only issue is that you have to press the button on the module in order for the phone book to update. Installation and set up about 60 secs. Finally BMW came up with a simple solution.

I agree. I have one in my 2005 745i and have no problems with it. I use a Razr phone.

:thumbup:

raerae28
10-03-2006, 05:15 AM
When is the CPT8000 model coming out?????

bimmerno1
11-02-2006, 11:30 AM
Jason - Did your experiment of using a compatible pigtail on a CPT8000 wiring and fitting it with a CPT9000 BTUM work? Also, you posted email address does not work.

r-dunn
11-02-2006, 11:50 AM
So should I refer to Bulletin # 84 06 03 when I talk to the dealer in order to get a free CPT 9000 upgrade?

Thanks.

Peter




Please update me with this info as I am currently trying to get my dealership to do the right thing and retrofit my CPT 8000 which was virtually obsolete when they sold me my 745Li in early '03. My phone situation, currently, is bleak. Thanks, RCD.

joehint
11-20-2006, 11:52 AM
The bluetooth module is out for the CPT8000. If you call BMW they will tell you that it hasn't been release. the part # is 84-11-0-410-148. I'm ordering my from my local dealer today. Most dealerships are in the dark about this, be persistence and you can get it.

Anyone wanna buy a already activated Satrtac?

asci01
11-20-2006, 08:02 PM
The bluetooth module is out for the CPT8000. If you call BMW they will tell you that it hasn't been release. the part # is 84-11-0-410-148. I'm ordering my from my local dealer today. Most dealerships are in the dark about this, be persistence and you can get it.

Anyone wanna buy a already activated Satrtac?

How much is it? and who's your local dealer?

Thanks

JT///M3
11-20-2006, 09:33 PM
how much is list? and how much of a deal can you get it for? never pay retail to the stealer...

joehint
11-21-2006, 09:22 AM
It list for 340.00 but I got it 306.00 with BMWCCA membership. Call your local dealer they can lookup the part number and order it for you. You just have to be persistence since there in the dark about it. I should get mine tomorrow and install. I'll update after its done.

sevenme
11-21-2006, 09:43 AM
Joe,

Thanks for this information. So how will this work if I have a blackberry? Do I have to activate anything else, or can I just use my current phone?

batman2
11-25-2006, 09:01 PM
So, if you call the local dealer and give them this part number they should be able to locate the part, I presume?

VReyn
11-26-2006, 03:44 AM
(Batman2) You may need to order this part from delaer. It takes them somewhat 2 bus. days to get it. Installation is easy: approx. 5 minutes. There are few plastic panels that need to be removed in the center console, before you can reach the old CPT8000 plug. Swap it with a new cable and you are set.
Hope this helps.
VR>

batman2
11-26-2006, 07:34 AM
THanks VR!

sevenme
11-26-2006, 03:27 PM
VR - when you mention removing panels to reach the CPT 8000 plug - isn't the plug readily accessible? Isn't it the same plug tha is used to plug into the old 8000 phone? If so, that plug is right there when I open the center console. Or does another plug need to be accessed?

Thanks in advance.

Rick

joehint
11-27-2006, 09:33 AM
I've installed the module and have been using it for a few days now. It works great the only small problem I have ( I belive it's because of the phones new address book scheme) is that it dosen't reconginzie what type of phone numbers they are ie. mobile, home, or work. I using the new krazr. It has connected and uploaded my phone numbers flawlessly, I can use the key pad , and the numbers or name is display when someone calls.

BMW did a great job with this product!!!

batman2
11-27-2006, 10:15 PM
So, what happens if you have more than one number stored for someone and you try to call them? Does it just call whichever number it wants? (home, mobile, work).

VReyn
11-28-2006, 06:50 AM
(Sevenme): There is a wide (16 pin or so I think) plug under the panels that is the other end of what you connect to Startac CPT 8000 phone. That needs to be removed. You simply need to swap this cord with a new cord that has a BTUM on the other end. I hope this makes sence. Please let me know if it doesn't.
VR>

firesan
11-30-2006, 08:24 PM
I installed the blue tooth module in my 03 745i. Popped the module in phone socket. Pairing setup and download of my contacts to Idrive took 90 secords.

Pairing a Blackberry 8700C was not a problem.

ad545
12-01-2006, 10:53 AM
Hey guys, can this be used with 2004 545?

I have an early production 545 (sep 03), they couldnt get the bluetooth to work, so i instaled cpt900 and use it for a year, but upgraded to a razor and stoped using it.

BayAreaBMWFan
12-09-2006, 04:43 PM
I have the CPT8K BTUM on order. I presume I do not need to update the software or anything, right? It is just plug and play.

batman2
12-10-2006, 05:38 PM
Thats right! Plug and play. I wish that the system would download more than just the 99 contacts.

BayAreaBMWFan
12-13-2006, 06:39 PM
OK. I have the BTUM but the dealer did not print the installation instructions as instructed by the yellow sticker (download from ASAP (after sales portal)). Can someone post a PDF or a scan. My first attempt using the lights inside the car failed since I could not find the place where the other end of the CPT8000 cord plugs in. I have removed the disk storage) and the front end of the cord holder.... The cord seems to go inside the foam??

pedro2u
12-14-2006, 06:49 PM
Got mine tonite and it took 15 minutes to install. The old phone connection to the antenna is what goes into the foam. You need to peel the foam off so that you can disconnect the antenna. You won't need that connection anymore with the bluetooth so stuff the old cable down an out of the way. With the cables disconnected, pull the phone cradle completely out. Push on tabs to open the tube and pull the old cable out. Reroute the new BTUM cable in the tube and put it all back together.

The surprise was having to pull the upper console down and removing the SOS switch. Replace the switch with the blank panel provided and you're done. By the way, joining the BMW CCA (pointed out in an earlier posting) got me a 10% discount on parts, so it cost $313. Membership is $40 but you 10% off anytime on parts. Check with your dealer first

BayAreaBMWFan
12-14-2006, 06:53 PM
Thanks!
I was able to find instructions in the main 7 series thread. My car is a bit different when it comes to the antenna cable though...

It is 20% off here at www.scbmw.com. There is also a dealer on Ebay shipping them at $296.

pedro2u
12-15-2006, 02:34 PM
:) When I installed mine last night, my wife's Razor worked immediately, but my Verizon Treo 650 threw a fit and started doing soft resets over and over. :dunno: Today, with the help of information in the Bimmerfest threads (and a few others), I deleted any of my Favorites that contained additional numbers to automatically dial after answering and...

:banana: :supdude:

It works! It uploaded the rest of my favorites. The contact list didn't come up, but I'll live with that (but continue trying to fix it). Inbound and outvound calls are great. What a relief to have it working! Hope you all ahave the same result

:drive:

BayAreaBMWFan
12-15-2006, 02:57 PM
I think there is a software update available for the Treo 650. I am going to download that for my wife's Treo. I was unable to load the address book for her though I can make and receive calls.

ajfB004
12-15-2006, 07:13 PM
did mine tonight 15 min job and mine worked great. only problem is the phone stays connected while in the house.
All I need now is an Ipod hook up

pedro2u
12-16-2006, 09:11 PM
gotta get 30 or 40 feet from the car lol. Try sleeping on the porch ...

geeek204
12-22-2006, 09:25 PM
did mine tonight 15 min job and mine worked great. only problem is the phone stays connected while in the house.
All I need now is an Ipod hook up

Mine also stayed connected in the house, but after about 10 min. or so the car went to sleep and the BTUM turned off and disconnected. Does yours do this?

Also, has anyone had any luck pairing two phones to it. It is my wife's car and her RAZR is usually paired to it. When I drive it I would like to have my phone connect without having to select the BM-BTUM and enter the passkey.

Storm

triple_sissy
12-23-2006, 07:03 AM
Got mine yesterday at 10% off (BMW CCA) and thanks to the main 7-series thread's instructions installed it in about 15 minutes.

m20e
12-23-2006, 09:19 AM
pedro2u
ya think all the razr phones will work equally as well as yours? btw, which razr r u using

pedro2u
12-23-2006, 05:04 PM
Sorry m20e, my wife paired the phone and I thought she bought the razor. She actually has an LG VX8300. Sorry for the mistake

m20e
12-24-2006, 09:03 AM
So, does the LG VX8300 work flawlessly with your BTUM?

synergy
12-26-2006, 03:11 PM
I installed mine in my 03 E65 and it works great with my Samsung A900. Does anyone have a problem with their address book via iDrive? I only have one phone number listed for each contact versus the 2-3 phone numbers listed in the phone (home, office, cell). Any ideas?

767driver
12-28-2006, 07:51 AM
I installed mine in my 03 E65 and it works great with my Samsung A900. Does anyone have a problem with their address book via iDrive? I only have one phone number listed for each contact versus the 2-3 phone numbers listed in the phone (home, office, cell). Any ideas?


I have a '02 745li and use the A-900 phone from Sprint. Does the BTUM8 work for it?

I'm assuming you had the old CPT-8000 in your car previously. If it does work was installation difficult and how much did you pay for the BTUM8 module and where did you get it?

I know its a lot of questions but I have been waiting for this thing for years.

Thank you

geeek204
12-28-2006, 08:30 AM
If you want more info on the bluetooth upgrade for the CPT-800 you might want to take a look at this thread. http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=181458

m20e
12-28-2006, 10:08 AM
767driver

I just ordered the BTUM from Morristown BMW. As can be seen on ebay. I have an 02 745 with the old 8000 (coiled cord) phone. Morristown sells the BTUM for just under $300 delivered.

I have read a number of posts on how to install the BTUM and will let you know if it goes as easy as advertised, as soon as the BTUM arrives.

BUGI
12-28-2006, 04:58 PM
I installed mine in my 03 E65 and it works great with my Samsung A900. Does anyone have a problem with their address book via iDrive? I only have one phone number listed for each contact versus the 2-3 phone numbers listed in the phone (home, office, cell). Any ideas?

Do all the iDrive and keypad features work with your A900? Can you dial and receive calls without touching the phone? Besides seeing only one number from each contact, do you see a complete list?

The one number problem you described could just be a compatibility issue. Some phone treats each number as a unique contact but newer phones tend to allow multiple numbers per name. If BMW firmware only allows one number per name, there won't be a way around it.

synergy
12-28-2006, 09:36 PM
I have a '02 745li and use the A-900 phone from Sprint. Does the BTUM8 work for it?

I'm assuming you had the old CPT-8000 in your car previously. If it does work was installation difficult and how much did you pay for the BTUM8 module and where did you get it?

I know its a lot of questions but I have been waiting for this thing for years.

Thank you

PM sent

767driver
12-29-2006, 07:43 PM
PM sent

Got it,

Thanks.

Just installed my BTUM8 yesterday in my 2002 745li that had a CPT-8000 startac phone. Took about 20 mins using the pdf file found here:

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=178575

Important note, when disconnecting the main data wire be sure and flip the white release catch to the side to allow for a proper disconnect. I ended up breaking the old wire that leads to the phone in order to separate it from the wire that is attached to the car.

Samsung SPH-A900 works perfectly except for the multiple entries per saved person, (ie: work, cell, home). The only way of getting around that is to relist each number in your phone one at a time.

The limit of only 99 numbers is also a slight hindrance as it will only take the 1st 99 in alphabetical order. I put a "z" in front of those numbers that I do not use much so now all of my frequently used numbers show on the screen.

Phone answers and dials without ever touching it and the pop-out keypad works as well for dialing. You do not need to touch your phone at all except for syncing it the first time you use it.

I'm thrilled with the product.

synergy
12-29-2006, 08:29 PM
Awesome 767!!

pedro2u
01-07-2007, 01:49 PM
m20e

The LG pairs and the phone works, but the address book does not

ambishop
01-08-2007, 01:33 PM
I find it amusing on how many idiot dealers are saying that this new BTUM will work with other cars than the E65 7 Series built from 2002-dec2003. It clearly says E65/E66 on the documentation and has a connector specific to the 7 Series E65.

Is it just me or does everybody think dealers should just open their friggin eyes and read the documentation from BMW.

Martin
www.bimmernav.com

macielja
01-13-2007, 06:25 PM
I could use some help. I have a dec 02 production of a 2003 745i. I bought the cpt8000 kit today and feel like an idiot because everybody is saying it's easy. I popped open the platic casing under the CD case. I see what looks like the plug and I see it connected to a smaller white plug. Is there a trick to unplugging the old one? I don't see the obvious parts that come apart. Help before I pay $200 for labor for something that's going to take 5 minutes.

pedro2u
01-14-2007, 06:31 PM
Macielja

Each of the wires terminate in connector that is snapped into a plastic bracket below and behind the CD holder. Pull them out of the brackets and there should be a tab to depress at the connector (as I recall) to seperate the harness wires from the old phone cable. One of them was encased in foam which you need to peel away to get to the connector.

Did you get the printed instuctions from the dealer?

macielja
01-15-2007, 01:58 PM
No instructions from the dealer. They said they didn't have anything. However, I found a PDF online as part of one of these threads. Problem is I don't see the part that is wrapped in foam. I see the connector that looks like the end piece of the new bluetooth adapter. But I can't see that it disconnects from anything except wires. It's a December 02 production and the pictures in the instructions look similar to what I have, except that the piece that looks like it should disconnect doesn't appear to.

But when you say behind the CD case, what I'm seeing is below the CD case at the bottom of the compartment. You don't mean that I need to be taking off the backing on the side of the compartment, right?

I have an appointment to take it in this weekend. Thanks for trying.

hensed
01-15-2007, 05:09 PM
Ok, do this: The wire that you cannot find is connected to the cpt8000 phone cord (stretchy pigtail cable) that you will later be instructed to remove, so just fast forward and start removing that cord now. You will notice that you cannot remove it because it's still connected somewhere, keep pulling (gently) on that cord until you find where it goes. The coupling is in there somewhere, I believe this wire connected the antenna to the phone, and you will not be connecting anything back to this wire after the installation. good luck.

m20e
01-19-2007, 10:08 AM
I installed my BTUM in my 02 745 and it works well with both my wifes Motorola Razr (Cingular) and my Blackberry 8703e (Sprint). It loads my adress book from my Blackberry but I haven't been able to find how I can get through the list of entries in the address book without having to scroll through the entire list. Does anyone know if it's possible to jump through the list alphabetically?

BTW, the entire phone system in the 745 now works as advertised. Thank you to everyone on this site who has posted the great help on how to install. Now, on to looking up reprograming an additional key FOB.

F15 Next
02-02-2007, 05:13 PM
Does anyone have an electronic version of the user's guide/manual for the CPT9000 I can get?

pedro2u
02-03-2007, 04:19 PM
I just Googled "CPT9000 Manual" and found it. Try this link or Google it yourself

http://e60.net/information/5_Series_Telephone_Users_Manual.pdf

F15 Next
02-03-2007, 08:30 PM
Got it! Thanks. I had googled "BTUM Manual" and never got any decent hits. This should work great. Thanks, again.

F15 Next
02-19-2007, 05:10 PM
I'm ready to install my CPT9000 BTUM, and I'm having trouble getting the existing spacer out in order to slip in the new one that came with the BTUM. Do I just force it, or is there a trick I'm missing? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

F15 Next
02-21-2007, 06:13 AM
Nevermind-- I got it. New BTUM CPT9000 now installed and working great!

DonWoon
02-21-2007, 07:18 AM
Hey, I got my module and just left the original spacer in, it appears to be working fine. I am curious if you actually removed the exisiting spacer after all, and if you did, what was the trick? It seemed like I would have to force it so I left it in.

Thanks.




Nevermind-- I got it. New BTUM CPT9000 now installed and working great!

gfd1989
02-21-2007, 02:29 PM
I bought a BTUM 9000 module on ebay for my 2004 from a BMW dealer in NJ and it works great with my verizon RAZR. It fits right where the original V60 goes.

numsii
10-29-2007, 11:57 AM
My 645Ci is an E63 model, production date of 3/2004. It just pre-dates the TCU that facilitated native bluetooth. It's a great car, I didn't buy it for the electronics, but it's getting to the point where I need handsfree.

So a couple of years ago I had BMW install a CPT-9000. Unfortunately the only V60 I could find compatible was a TDMA phone, and ATT Blue jettisoned TDMA, so the CPT-9000 was a turkey.

Along came the CPT-9000 BTUM, which fits perfectly where the Moto V60 would. It's not a bluetooth phone per se, but convinces the system into thinking a V60 in attached, and pushes the signal out over the Bluetooth via the module. It works great... umm, it's syncs with both my Blackberry Pearl and my Moto KRZR (both ATT/Cingular).

When I make calls out, it uses the car system.

When I get incoming calls, it uses the car system.

I can hear other people perfectly, crystal clear. When I talk, NOTHING.

I don't know precisely but I think that the microphone is defective, or not present, or not powered. My voice command feature works perfectly, but I have read that this is a different microphone. I just don't know for sure why everything works but the microphone that should be in the car waiting to use with the V60.

I have a radar detector, perhaps that took up the power slot for the microphone... I just don't know.

So I took it into BMW and they're looking at it today.

Is the BTUM unit a non-BMW product? Will they demand I buy a new TCU?

I don't know what to do, I love my car but need handsfree real soon... I drive fast, I'm dangerous on the phone at the same time.

Thanks for reading... some comments would be appreciated!

asci01
10-29-2007, 08:39 PM
My 645Ci is an E63 model, production date of 3/2004. It just pre-dates the TCU that facilitated native bluetooth. It's a great car, I didn't buy it for the electronics, but it's getting to the point where I need handsfree.

So a couple of years ago I had BMW install a CPT-9000. Unfortunately the only V60 I could find compatible was a TDMA phone, and ATT Blue jettisoned TDMA, so the CPT-9000 was a turkey.

Along came the CPT-9000 BTUM, which fits perfectly where the Moto V60 would. It's not a bluetooth phone per se, but convinces the system into thinking a V60 in attached, and pushes the signal out over the Bluetooth via the module. It works great... umm, it's syncs with both my Blackberry Pearl and my Moto KRZR (both ATT/Cingular).

When I make calls out, it uses the car system.

When I get incoming calls, it uses the car system.

I can hear other people perfectly, crystal clear. When I talk, NOTHING.

I don't know precisely but I think that the microphone is defective, or not present, or not powered. My voice command feature works perfectly, but I have read that this is a different microphone. I just don't know for sure why everything works but the microphone that should be in the car waiting to use with the V60.

I have a radar detector, perhaps that took up the power slot for the microphone... I just don't know.

So I took it into BMW and they're looking at it today.

Is the BTUM unit a non-BMW product? Will they demand I buy a new TCU?

I don't know what to do, I love my car but need handsfree real soon... I drive fast, I'm dangerous on the phone at the same time.

Thanks for reading... some comments would be appreciated!

I can't imaging the dealer demanding from you to buy a new TCU unless is bad and out of warranty. The BTUM that you bought was made to work with the V60 a.ka. CPT 9000 so it should work fine with your system. I believe Motorola makes the BTUM for BMW, but regardless, if you bought it from BMW, they'll fix it or replace if is under warranty.

numsii
10-31-2007, 12:18 PM
BMW Beverly Hills tech pulled my microphones out, check them, then thinks that it's the moto-krzr and blackberry phones that are not compatible.

I am suspect... but will try a razr I suppose.

How much are new TCUs?

JuanR
10-31-2007, 01:10 PM
Have an 04 745 Li and recently got the bluetooth adapter CPT 9000. I also have an LG vx9900 cell phone. They work fine however I have not been able to download the tel book to the car.
Can anyone help ? I like both my phone and the car and did not want to change neither.

johndade
10-31-2007, 03:21 PM
is the lg a approved phone on autosource i dont think it is but u should check that prabably why it wont upload the phone book.

numsii
11-05-2007, 07:03 PM
I got a standard RAZR from ebay, popped in the sim, paired the phone with the BTUM, same problem as I had with the blackberry pearl and the moto krzr... no voice from inside the car. I can hear the other side, and it echo's superbly when fedback into the remote phone.

I'm close to trading the damn car in.

BMW Beverly Hills tech pulled my microphones out, check them, then thinks that it's the moto-krzr and blackberry phones that are not compatible.

I am suspect... but will try a razr I suppose.

How much are new TCUs?

numsii
11-24-2007, 05:13 PM
BMW won't tell you this, but if you have the old TCU just prior to bluetooth integration you might try to get the software updated to version 27 (I had 16).

Bluetooth now works seamlessly, as if I had a new TCU.

My CPT-9000 cradle and my BTUM device are now not needed.

Just tell your BMW technician (not the service manager, they have no idea) that you want your software upgraded to version 27 or better and it will work. BMW did not certify the bluetooth software module on older TCUs, but that doesn't mean they won't work.

The only downside is that the warranty won't cover bluetooth failures, but if you have BMW assist then you should be able to get TCU repairs anyway.
:)

Seven45
11-25-2007, 01:19 AM
i have the cpt8000 and i used a razr. nokia 6133. and krzr with it. no problems. phonebook even showed up too.

hudoff
11-25-2007, 07:30 PM
I installed the same device into my 2004 MB S500 and it
worked perfectly. I finally was able to get the cell telephone to work
correctly.

dannydos
12-11-2007, 08:36 PM
who has gonna a sprint phone to work with the btmu....looking to buy a new phone...and would like it to work with the btmu

jbrannon
12-12-2007, 07:41 PM
I have a motorola Q through sprint and it works great.

dannydos
12-12-2007, 08:38 PM
thanks for the reply....that was one of the phones i liked

jbrannon
12-14-2007, 07:09 AM
get the extended battery, otherwise you'll be dead in 12 hours.

am_sh
03-11-2008, 11:28 AM
since you paired the first one,

I have bought BTUM unit for my BMW 04 7 series. I am facing a problem pairing it since I donot know the pairing password. If someone can be help letting me know where can I find the pairing password?

csmooth79
03-11-2008, 12:26 PM
Its on the back of the BTUM unit, where the model number and stuff is. So take it out and turn it over and you will see the numbers you need (I think its 6 of them). When you put it in then push the button and it will blink blue then have your phone look for it.

alanmaz
03-14-2008, 11:09 AM
I bought the module ($295 from my dealer) and it paired right up with my Blackberry Pearl (Verizon). All the features seem to work...phonebook, hands free, etc.

willie34
03-21-2012, 08:41 AM
I got my phone book to come up i can make calls BUT I CANT HERE **** HELPPPPPPPPP

cliffrun2
03-21-2012, 04:04 PM
Would this technology work on the 01 740?