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B2M2W
02-20-2006, 09:07 AM
Im looking to buy an M3, I know their is something with the 95 OBD or something that seems to be different than 96-99 is this true? what year should i look for? thanks

SoloII///M
02-20-2006, 09:53 AM
IMO the '95s drive a bit better - faster steering rack and more favorable geometry, plus non-staggered tires. Plus the top end of the rev range is much more satisfying. Don't have to worry about fifth-gear-gate sticking in a '95 either.

But the '96s have more torque and feel slightly faster around town. So most people prefer them.

Buy the nicest, best maintained one you can afford and don't worry about the year. :thumbup:

someguy
02-20-2006, 10:36 AM
agreed, by the nicest you can afford, they both have mostly the same problems, you'll be happy with either one...jmo

MATT95M3
02-20-2006, 11:12 AM
i have a 95 and i love it my friend has a 98 and he loves it they are both so close in performance it shouldn't come down to a year just find what you like and buy it and be careful to not miss a shift!

Jon Shafer
02-20-2006, 11:20 AM
I love my '99!

:thumbup:

___lk___
02-20-2006, 11:33 AM
Im looking to buy an M3, I know their is something with the 95 OBD or something that seems to be different than 96-99 is this true? what year should i look for? thanks

USA cars produced in 1996-now require OBD-II.

prior to that, there wasnt real standardization (commonly known as the "OBD-I" era).

OBD-II is a sealed system, whereas OBDI allows u to literally plug in a new "chip" to get more performance, etc..

OBDII cars cannnot be "chipped". they need to be re-flashed w/ new software instructions, and in general, are much more complex and therefore harder to make mods to than earlier systems.

depends on what u are trying to do. If it were me, i would look to an E30 ///M3 before a 95 e36. the e30 will probably gain value while u own it. :rolleyes:

jrp
02-20-2006, 06:45 PM
Buy the nicest, best maintained one you can afford and don't worry about the year. :thumbup:

:stupid: :stupid: :stupid:

B2M2W
02-21-2006, 10:06 AM
Thank you for the advice, appreciate it. I cant wait to get my Bmw.

Pinecone
02-21-2006, 06:17 PM
95s may have subframe mounting point problems. Tend to respond better to bolt on engine mods (CAI, Exhaust, chip).

95s have 3.15 ratio diff, 96 and later have 3.23, which is why the later ones feel quicker. A bit more torque the but the big difference is the diff ration.

95s have a problem with the cam cover paint burning and flaking off.

All of them have the problems with radiators, water pumps and thermostat housings.

96 and later have offset strut hats that allow swapping for cheap negative camber.

tamum3
02-22-2006, 02:01 PM
Pre 10/95 production M3's also have weak valve retainers.

Pinecone
02-23-2006, 05:45 AM
I forgot that one.

240Bhp
02-27-2006, 11:27 PM
I recently bought a '95 about three months ago and right now I'm very happy with the way it drives.

I did consider a '99 as it was newer and test drove a few of them. Personally, the 3.2 is preferrable for daily driving. It's quicker when you need it, however, I was forewarned more than a few times about its lesser reliability of its twin-vanos system compared to the '95's single-vanos system. (How it's more mechanically prone to failure), but I acknowledge the '95's weaknesses and the main reason I chose that over the newer 3.2 was due to my tuning habits.

I live in California and it's a b**ch owning and tuning an OBDII compliant car as opposed to an OBDI. The benefits of the 3.2 liter, or newer, M3s was something I'm willing to sacrifice for this convenience. However, as a simple, factory car to have fun with, go with a newer '97 or up.

thilton59
02-27-2006, 11:53 PM
I know the woes of OBD II in CA, but the 96 and up arent double vanos, the e46s are double and I know the e36 euro m3 had double, but far as I know all e36 models have single vanos, except maybe the bizzaro world car that is the 318ti, so many exceptions are mandated unto that car.

SoloII///M
03-01-2006, 05:33 AM
Correct, all US market E36 M3s had single VANOS motors.

Pinecone
03-03-2006, 08:46 AM
Also the 3.23 rear has more to do with day to day driving than the 3.2L. Try an LTW sometime. :)

B2M2W
03-07-2006, 07:56 AM
thanks everyone

PhilipWOT
03-16-2006, 01:24 AM
I test drove a '99 M3 with the Dinan Cold-air intake and chip about 2 weekends ago and I actually still have an erection. If I had the money I would have traded in my 325is and signed paperwork right then and there.

SoloII///M
03-16-2006, 04:53 AM
Good share.