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JPinTO
11-05-2002, 07:33 AM
Are there any X5 owners here at all other than Jon?

TD
11-05-2002, 07:39 AM
(Where's atyclb's stick poking smiley when I need it?)

Yeah it's dead and it's because X5 buyers tend not to be enthusiasts but rather lemming badge buyers.

:Stick Poke: :Stick Poke: :Stick Poke:

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

JPinTO
11-05-2002, 09:02 AM
Top 10 reasons to buy an X5:

10. Annoys TD :p

9. Bi-Xenon lights perfectly aligned to fry hole in chrome dome of annoying left lane squatters

8. You can run with 19" WHeels and STILL have some sidewall height left.

7. You never have to worry about slowing down for potholes or railroad tracks.

6. You don't have to park a mile away from everyone. Just find the closest spot and ram it in there.

5. Smaller risk of door dings. Car doors hit side steps.

4. Payback to the door dingers (you know who you are). SUV nicely bash car doors.

3. You never need to wash it, let alone wax it.

2. Resale, resale, resale

1. Never having to waste time surfing bmw boards. Now you're a "lemming"... not an "enthusiast".

Nick325xiT 5spd
11-05-2002, 09:05 AM
Reason number 0:

When you roll it, the huge, solid body keeps you very safe.

Closer
11-05-2002, 09:34 AM
Originally posted by JPinTO
Top 10 reasons to buy an X5:

10. Annoys TD :p

9. Bi-Xenon lights perfectly aligned to fry hole in chrome dome of annoying left lane squatters

8. You can run with 19" WHeels and STILL have some sidewall height left.

7. You never have to worry about slowing down for potholes or railroad tracks.

6. You don't have to park a mile away from everyone. Just find the closest spot and ram it in there.

5. Smaller risk of door dings. Car doors hit side steps.

4. Payback to the door dingers (you know who you are). SUV nicely bash car doors.

3. You never need to wash it, let alone wax it.

2. Resale, resale, resale

1. Never having to waste time surfing bmw boards. Now you're a "lemming"... not an "enthusiast".

:lmao: :lmao:

ZBB 325Ci
11-05-2002, 09:41 AM
Originally posted by Nick325xiT 5spd
Reason number 0:

When you roll it, the huge, solid body keeps you very safe.

Did you know that the X5 center of gravity is only 2 inches higher than a 5 series sedan? Have you ever looked under the hood and seen how much below the hood line the engine sits? BMW did an amazing job of keeping the X5 as much of a drivers car as they could, while still offering a product shaped like a SUV.

TD
11-05-2002, 09:43 AM
Originally posted by ZBB 325Ci


Did you know that the X5 center of gravity is only 2 inches higher than a 5 series sedan? Have you ever looked under the hood and seen how much below the hood line the engine sits? BMW did an amazing job of keeping the X5 as much of a drivers car as they could, while still offering a product shaped like a SUV.

Which is EXACTLY the point. A non-SUV shape is more efficient, safer, and easier to design in a fashion consistent with being a "drivers car". The ONLY reason to make it that shape is to appeal to the lemmings.

Alex Baumann
11-05-2002, 09:54 AM
Originally posted by TD
The ONLY reason to make it that shape is to appeal to the lemmings.

...and to make profit. It's selling really good. (wait list is around 12-15 months here)

Not my style of vehicle, though.

JPinTO
11-05-2002, 09:56 AM
Originally posted by TD


Which is EXACTLY the point. A non-SUV shape is more efficient, safer, and easier to design in a fashion consistent with being a "drivers car". The ONLY reason to make it that shape is to appeal to the lemmings.

Your completely correct. Where BMW went wrong with the X5 is not offering a completely ride height adjustable suspension from day 1.

With air suspension, it will ride as low as a wagon on the highways and adjust high at lower speeds. Now that the Touareg/Cayenne twins offer this fantastic flexibility, BMW is scrambling to catch up.

PropellerHead
11-05-2002, 10:40 AM
Or, at least my 66 yr old mother-in-law does. :p

http://www.my02.com/images/thumbs/X5/grillt.jpg

Nick325xiT 5spd
11-05-2002, 12:06 PM
Originally posted by ZBB 325Ci


Did you know that the X5 center of gravity is only 2 inches higher than a 5 series sedan? Have you ever looked under the hood and seen how much below the hood line the engine sits? BMW did an amazing job of keeping the X5 as much of a drivers car as they could, while still offering a product shaped like a SUV.

Actually, I drove the X5 4.4i. I was DAMNED impressed with its handling, especially compared to my old E320 4Matic. Then, however, I took a 325i non-sport out for a drive. You see what choice I made. :p

The X5 is awfully nice for what it is... But honestly, what is it? It's a wagon that doesn't drive as well as a wagon. You sure as hell aren't going to take you $60K X5 out in the dirt.

bten
11-05-2002, 05:24 PM
My main reasons were more room and all wheel drive. When I sat comfortably in a 3 series, there was only about 4 inches between the front seat and back. The all wheel drive is awesome.

It is my first BMW, and I really like the tight handling and power (even with the 3.0). I would be ticket bait in a 530!:angel:

I vote for #10 as the last reason why I bought an X5 :D

alpina22
11-15-2002, 09:46 AM
PLENTY OF ENTHUSIASTS. You just need to check Roadfly where many have performed more mods than you can think of. We have HUGE meets that have been covered not only in the Roundel but also BMW Magazine by David Haueter. It's unfortunate that this board is DEAD for the e53.

As for the point of the X, well it has ground clearance that no other Bimmer offers, has lots of room in the back, power that cannot be laughed at, 6000lbs towing capacity, etc. I could go on but since you're not in the market for one then why bother explaining its virtues? I happen to have several Bimmers in my garage but don't knock the models or drivers of those cars I don't have just because it's not my type of car.

A couple of months ago, I <b>spanked</b> an e46 M3C on the NJ Turnpike in my 4.4i sport. The M3 is the God of all 3 series right? The point of me saying this is merely to show you that even if most X drivers you meet are not enthusiasts, at least this one is and knows how to drive. So despite the higher centre of gravity, 4800lbs of curb weight and 2 people on board it is quite capable. If you ever get the opportunity to drive an X I'm sure your opinion of it will change.

<b>Disclaimer:</b>
This post was meant to simply enlighten the uninformed and <b>not</b> meant to be a flame in any way.

'00 X5 4.4i sport
'00 528i sport (sold)
'01 M Coupe (S54)
'91 535i 5 speed (Recaro's, 17" Alpina's, etc.)

JPinTO
11-15-2002, 01:07 PM
Originally posted by alpina22
PLENTY OF ENTHUSIASTS. You just need to check Roadfly where many have performed more mods than you can think of. We have HUGE meets that have been covered not only in the Roundel but also BMW Magazine by David Haueter. It's unfortunate that this board is DEAD for the e53.

As for the point of the X, well it has ground clearance that no other Bimmer offers, has lots of room in the back, power that cannot be laughed at, 6000lbs towing capacity, etc. I could go on but since you're not in the market for one then why bother explaining its virtues? I happen to have several Bimmers in my garage but don't knock the models or drivers of those cars I don't have just because it's not my type of car.

A couple of months ago, I <b>spanked</b> an e46 M3C on the NJ Turnpike in my 4.4i sport. The M3 is the God of all 3 series right? The point of me saying this is merely to show you that even if most X drivers you meet are not enthusiasts, at least this one is and knows how to drive. So despite the higher centre of gravity, 4800lbs of curb weight and 2 people on board it is quite capable. If you ever get the opportunity to drive an X I'm sure your opinion of it will change.

<b>Disclaimer:</b>
This post was meant to simply enlighten the uninformed and <b>not</b> meant to be a flame in any way.

'00 X5 4.4i sport
'00 528i sport (sold)
'01 M Coupe (S54)
'91 535i 5 speed (Recaro's, 17" Alpina's, etc.)

I've driven an X5 4.4 and I think it's an impressive machine. X5 enlightenment is not to be trifled with on bimmerfest.com... it's a staunch anti-SUV board. Peddle your wares elsewhere! :D

alpina22
11-15-2002, 01:23 PM
In case you hadn't noticed, that was my only post in bimmerfest for a reason. This board IS dead. Anti-SUV or whatever, I'm really not here to change your way of thinking. I felt the need to respond b/c I disagree with your statement about it being a non-enthusiast crowd.

Case in point:
Sat Dec 14th at Dinan's facility will be a big e53 meet showcasing the soon to be released supercharged X5 4.4i. Surely Steve Dinan has enough interest from owners who want go faster parts for him to consider the investment.

JPinTO
11-15-2002, 02:31 PM
I lurk on the bimmer.org X5 board periodically looking for news.

The Lemming/Enthusiast #1 was tongue in cheek from my POV.

I'm personally not anti-X5... after having driven it. I'm waiting for the Valvetronic engine to come out and will likely upgrade my wife's ML320 for a X5 4.5.... that or a Touareg.

Randy Forbes
11-15-2002, 02:38 PM
Originally posted by alpina22
A couple of months ago, I <b>spanked</b> an e46 M3C on the NJ Turnpike in my 4.4i sport.

About a month ago I kept right on the tail of an E-36 M3 Cabriolet that had taken off hard from the stoplight in front of me.
It was clear that he was going to show me a thing or two about how well a BMW can perform.

When he first left the line, I had to react to what he was doing, once I did he was already about 3-4 car lengths away (I never pull up right on someone's butt at a light).

The most amusing part was to watch him continually check his rearview mirror...
I (in the X5 4.4i) was looming larger in it!

I didn't even mind that both of the M Rdstrs were home in the garage:)

As to the original poster's comment, this is one of the least used areas of 'the fest.
I post something here every once in a great while to see how long it will stay at the top...

X5M5
11-15-2002, 02:57 PM
Amazing how quickly the youngin's are to judge the X5. I can tell you kids that after enjoying the hell out of the M5 (which I would never get rid of), the X5 is just as great a vehicle. I originally wanted a 330xi however I felt the car was just too small at 6'2". Yes, I know I can fit in it, but I wanted a bigger vehicle. That was all there was to it.

So, 540? Nice, but more money and no 4WD (and where I live, 4WD helps quite a bit in the hills thank you). Same deal with the 540 wagon. That left me with the X5, and its a great vehicle! Resale is better than the 540 wagon too, which definitely caters to a special group of individuals.

Can the X5 handle like a M5? No, duh! But it's a different vehicle. It serves a different purpose than the M5.

The 3 series is a wonderful car, just as the X5 is. Don't knock it 'til you try it.

It's unfortunate that there are blind people like TD here, which are certainly entitled to their opinion but are quite wrong in their facts. :rolleyes: :tsk:

-Chris F.
(from the Roadfly board)

The HACK
11-15-2002, 04:02 PM
Did SOMEONE cross post this link to the .org or something?

Mr Paddle.Shift
11-19-2002, 12:51 PM
Ahh...Chris. I see that ToadFly has been deleting your posts aye? ;)

Originally posted by X5M5
Amazing how quickly the youngin's are to judge the X5. I can tell you kids that after enjoying the hell out of the M5 (which I would never get rid of), the X5 is just as great a vehicle. I originally wanted a 330xi however I felt the car was just too small at 6'2". Yes, I know I can fit in it, but I wanted a bigger vehicle. That was all there was to it.

So, 540? Nice, but more money and no 4WD (and where I live, 4WD helps quite a bit in the hills thank you). Same deal with the 540 wagon. That left me with the X5, and its a great vehicle! Resale is better than the 540 wagon too, which definitely caters to a special group of individuals.

Can the X5 handle like a M5? No, duh! But it's a different vehicle. It serves a different purpose than the M5.

The 3 series is a wonderful car, just as the X5 is. Don't knock it 'til you try it.

It's unfortunate that there are blind people like TD here, which are certainly entitled to their opinion but are quite wrong in their facts. :rolleyes: :tsk:

-Chris F.
(from the Roadfly board)

X5M5
11-19-2002, 02:45 PM
Ya, apparently RevHigh the baby can't take a jab in the ribs :bigpimp:

-Chris


Originally posted by VinceTopasBlau3
Ahh...Chris. I see that ToadFly has been deleting your posts aye? ;)

Mr Paddle.Shift
11-19-2002, 03:59 PM
Ahh...I see. ;) Glad that I am not alone in this. Do a search on the Bimmerfest forums for "ToadFly" and you will see what I mean....


Originally posted by X5M5
Ya, apparently RevHigh the baby can't take a jab in the ribs :bigpimp:

-Chris

Tim W.
11-21-2002, 10:24 PM
Of the 15 BMW's I have owned the X5 is the best ALL AROUND BMW I have ever owned. It fills so many roles all in one package. Quite frankly I like driving my X5 more than my M5.

And Vince, I tend to agree with you that "Toadfly" is getting to the point where is sux donkey nads. And Revhigh is such an asset. :tsk:

JPinTO
11-22-2002, 07:29 AM
Originally posted by Tim W.
Quite frankly I like driving my X5 more than my M5.

If you're going to maintain that attitude, you are definitely not welcome here! :p :p

Tim W.
11-22-2002, 07:35 AM
At least I have both to compare :yikes:

You should hang on the bimmer.org board :P

JPinTO
11-22-2002, 07:42 AM
Originally posted by Tim W.
At least I have both to compare :yikes:

You should hang on the bimmer.org board :P

I used to (actually most here used to participate on the E46 board) and I still lurk on the M3, X5 and Cayenne boards.

How would you compare interior space between the M5 and X5? (Not trunk space... obviously the wagon will beat the sedan's trunk)

Mr Paddle.Shift
11-22-2002, 07:50 AM
LoL!!

ASS-et. I like that! :p

Originally posted by Tim W.
And Vince, I tend to agree with you that "Toadfly" is getting to the point where is sux donkey nads. And Revhigh is such an asset. :tsk:

turbosteve
11-21-2003, 02:50 PM
Not sure why anybody would bash an X5 - I have had three "other" suv's and non of them compare. I needed something to tow my boat (27' Formula) and it does it better than my 02 Yukon did! I can load it up at Home Depot and still blow the doors off of most SUV and Jap Sports cars! Hauls 4 people in style and drives like a dream. If I need real speed I hop in my Turbo and laugh all the way to finish line. The people bashing this probably don't own one, but the only way to get to the best of both worlds is to have a Hi-perf SUV and a Hi-perf sports car... :drive:

Emission
11-21-2003, 03:01 PM
If I need real speed I hop in my Turbo and laugh all the way to finish line.

What year is the Turbo? :D

SARAFIL
11-21-2003, 03:01 PM
Lets talk about the top reason to buy an X5 over a wagon: if you qualify, you can get a killer tax write-off. :bigpimp: Gotta love the 6,005 lb. GVWR.

turbosteve
11-22-2003, 12:17 PM
Hey there - the turbo is a 2001, added the sport exhaust and cold air intake. May add the ECU upgrade, still debating on that one. Just ordered the Euro springs and shocks and looking to go to Fikse wheels and keep the stock wheels for the track :smokin:

The X5 is an 01 4.4. Looking to add the SS or Remus exhaust. Already changed to the K&N kit - having a hard time finding a chip upgrade other than Dinan (at $1500 !).

Just for fun I have a 1968 Mustang GT Convertible with fully built up 351C, 5sp, Red on Black - 2003 MOCA best in class winner.

Too many toys - too little time!

turbosteve
11-22-2003, 12:19 PM
Absolutley! Actually I didn't even know about this until after I bought it - but you gotta love loopholes! :beerchug:

turbosteve
11-22-2003, 12:21 PM
Nice 930! Do you belong to a good Porsche forum? I have been searching for one as good as this is for BMW but have not found one - Thank you! :)

Emission
11-22-2003, 01:11 PM
Of the 15 BMW's I have owned the X5 is the best ALL AROUND BMW I have ever owned.

I'd say the X5 is the best overall vehicle (of any make or model) I have ever owned! It does everything well enough to be enjoyed.

Emission
11-22-2003, 01:13 PM
Nice 930! Do you belong to a good Porsche forum? I have been searching for one as good as this is for BMW but have not found one - Thank you! :)

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=32

They have some great forums, and most of their regulars track their cars (as they should!).

batm4n
11-23-2003, 12:19 PM
Seems the majority of the posts are on the roadfly board regarding the X5's.

Though this board does have some good info.

After owning an X5 vs a 330 and driving a 2003 530, i prefer the interior of the X5 to the 530, what happened there? It's like they waited to perform any interior upgrades until the latest version.

Besides, chicks dig the X5 over driving a 5 Wagon. Unless your a MILF hunter :p :freakdanc

Quicksilver
12-26-2004, 11:20 PM
Actually, I drove the X5 4.4i. I was DAMNED impressed with its handling, especially compared to my old E320 4Matic. Then, however, I took a 325i non-sport out for a drive. You see what choice I made. :p

The X5 is awfully nice for what it is... But honestly, what is it? It's a wagon that doesn't drive as well as a wagon. You sure as hell aren't going to take you $60K X5 out in the dirt.

Actually I have one and yes I would take it out in the dirt. Not in the least bit afraif If
I need to or want to.

Quicksilver

PropellerHead
12-27-2004, 06:20 AM
Actually I have one and yes I would take it out in the dirt. Not in the least bit afraif If
I need to or want to.

QuicksilverHoly old thread!

http://www.my02.com/images/04x5/downhill.jpg

Bavarian
12-27-2004, 07:37 AM
Actually I have one and yes I would take it out in the dirt. Not in the least bit afraif If
I need to or want to.

Quicksilver

Here's a pic before I played around in that snowy area a few days ago!

http://www.gergin.net/posts/X5%204.4i/December%2025/SMALL_02.jpg

vraa
12-30-2004, 02:30 AM
I love the X5.
I love sport trucks.