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Predict the New M3 0-60 time.
mtbscott
10-25-2006, 11:22 AM
The enemy of the new M3 is going to be weight and acceleration is a function of horsepower/weight above all else. I see it being just a tick faster than the E46 in 0-60, maybe a bit larger gap in the quarter mile and in mid and top-range acceleration.
Hans Delbruck
10-25-2006, 11:34 AM
BMW will state 4.5, car rags will get 4.2 :D
BMW will state 4.5, car rags will get 4.2 :D
That is about what I was thinking. I also don't think it will weigh as much as most think.
SPin1200
10-25-2006, 09:02 PM
Ive seen steptron 07 335i pull E46//M3 cab 0-60! cant even imagine E90 M3. Not that Its even gonna match the Dynamics or reason for buying it, but, Im sayin 0-100Km 4.2sec.:dunno:
650iOzBoy
10-25-2006, 11:57 PM
Easy. But I'll predict in the 0 to 100km/h (which is 0 to 62mph, not 60pmh). You can guess from the following official numbers:-
M6 coupe 4.6 secs
M5 sedan 4.7 secs
Z4 M roadster 5.0 secs.
These are the official brochure 0 to 100km/h from BMW.
Therefore, the M3 coupe should be 4.8 secs or 4.9 secs. It will not be officially faster than the M5 or the M6. Please note I'm guessing based on official numbers from BMW brochures, not track times tested etc.
mtbscott
10-26-2006, 07:04 AM
I also don't think it will weigh as much as most think.
I hope you're right, but recent history of BMW's new models would suggest it will be porkier than the E46 it replaces.
The enemy of the new M3 is going to be weight and acceleration is a function of horsepower/weight above all else. I see it being just a tick faster than the E46 in 0-60, maybe a bit larger gap in the quarter mile and in mid and top-range acceleration.
I'd rather see a poll guessing at what it'll weigh. I suspect it's going to be a lot. I'm sure BMW will throw enough HP at it to make it a good bit faster than the E46 M3. But it's overall dynamics will suffer greatly from being a porker.
Easy. But I'll predict in the 0 to 100km/h (which is 0 to 62mph, not 60pmh). You can guess from the following official numbers:-
M6 coupe 4.6 secs
M5 sedan 4.7 secs
Z4 M roadster 5.0 secs.
These are the official brochure 0 to 100km/h from BMW.
Therefore, the M3 coupe should be 4.8 secs or 4.9 secs. It will not be officially faster than the M5 or the M6. Please note I'm guessing based on official numbers from BMW brochures, not track times tested etc.
If I remember correctly, the current M3 is already 4.6s officially. So I doubt the new M3 will be worse than the old or even the same for that matter.
I'd rather see a poll guessing at what it'll weigh. I suspect it's going to be a lot. I'm sure BMW will throw enough HP at it to make it a good bit faster than the E46 M3. But it's overall dynamics will suffer greatly from being a porker.
Well, if that is true then M3 will suffer from lower than expected demands as M3 buyers get the 335i instead. But I seriously doubt this will happen as the M division and BMW have proven time and time again they have wits.
gbelton
10-26-2006, 07:25 AM
Easy. But I'll predict in the 0 to 100km/h (which is 0 to 62mph, not 60pmh). You can guess from the following official numbers:-
M6 coupe 4.6 secs
M5 sedan 4.7 secs
Z4 M roadster 5.0 secs.
These are the official brochure 0 to 100km/h from BMW.
Therefore, the M3 coupe should be 4.8 secs or 4.9 secs. It will not be officially faster than the M5 or the M6. Please note I'm guessing based on official numbers from BMW brochures, not track times tested etc.
BMW would not have the M3 quoted nor documented that it is faster [street-wise] than its bigger brothers.
I say the M3 using the entry 4.0litre V8 will be a knock-out to all who doubt its capabilities. Will it be fat or porky as some of you have quoted, maybe but with all the modding done these days...I know you guys will find a way to lighten her up a bit.
Stay Tuned!:D
M3Mike
10-26-2006, 08:15 AM
BMW will state 4.5, car rags will get 4.2 :D
Probably about right.
mtbscott
10-26-2006, 08:44 AM
Well, if that is true then M3 will suffer from lower than expected demands as M3 buyers get the 335i instead. But I seriously doubt this will happen as the M division and BMW have proven time and time again they have wits.
There hasn't been a lightweight M car since the E36 specials. The solution to mass has been add more horsepower. The weight of the 335 coupe is listed as 3571 lbs with manual, I believe car mags are measuring more than that. I loved my E46 M3 but it was heavy and that is always a hindrance on ultimate handling and dynamics. I don't see any way the new version is going to be lighter or even the same as the outgoing model. Think 200-300lbs heavier.
650iOzBoy
10-26-2006, 04:05 PM
If I remember correctly, the current M3 is already 4.6s officially. So I doubt the new M3 will be worse than the old or even the same for that matter.
Please clarify your numbers. The official BMW 0 to 100km/h sprint time for the E46 M3 coupe is 5.2 seconds (and 5.5 seconds for the convertible). Look up www.bmw.com
My money for the upcoming V8 M3 will be an official 0 to 100km/h time of 4.8 seconds for the coupe and 4.9/5.0 seconds for the convertible. All fitting nicely between the M6 coupe, M5 and Z4 M as I summarised above. Note the official 0 to 100km/h time for the M6 convertible is 4.8 seconds.
Please clarify your numbers. The official BMW 0 to 100km/h sprint time for the E46 M3 coupe is 5.2 seconds (and 5.5 seconds for the convertible). Look up www.bmw.com
My money for the upcoming V8 M3 will be an official 0 to 100km/h time of 4.8 seconds for the coupe and 4.9/5.0 seconds for the convertible. All fitting nicely between the M6 coupe, M5 and Z4 M as I summarised above. Note the official 0 to 100km/h time for the M6 convertible is 4.8 seconds.
Well if you look up this http://www.bmwusa.com/vehicles/M/M3Coupe/techdata.htm it says 4.8 s. Car and Driver claims they got the 335i to do 4.9 s. Judging from when I test drove it I think this is about right. This means the new M3 has to be less than 4.8 s.
650iOzBoy
10-26-2006, 10:35 PM
Well if you look up this http://www.bmwusa.com/vehicles/M/M3Coupe/techdata.htm it says 4.8 s. Car and Driver claims they got the 335i to do 4.9 s. Judging from when I test drove it I think this is about right. This means the new M3 has to be less than 4.8 s.
Agree. But you guys don't know how to read miles and kilometres! That's why I wanted to clarify the basis of measurement.
E46 M3 coupe:-
0 to 60 miles per hour in 4.8 seconds.
0 to 100 kilometres per hour in 5.2 seconds.
Note that 1 mile = 1.609344 kilometres. Therefore 100 kilometres = 62.1 miles. The American citation is typically 60 miles, and rest of the world usually 100 kilometres/62 miles. Hence the different reporting times but all are equivalent. Clear? We are talking about the same thing.
Agree. But you guys don't know how to read miles and kilometres! That's why I wanted to clarify the basis of measurement.
E46 M3 coupe:-
0 to 60 miles per hour in 4.8 seconds.
0 to 100 kilometres per hour in 5.2 seconds.
Note that 1 mile = 1.609344 kilometres. Therefore 100 kilometres = 62.1 miles. The American citation is typically 60 miles, and rest of the world usually 100 kilometres/62 miles. Hence the different reporting times but all are equivalent. Clear? We are talking about the same thing.
Ok, agreed.
The average of this poll seems to be 4.2 to 4.3 seconds.
cwsqbm
11-07-2006, 11:33 AM
Agree. But you guys don't know how to read miles and kilometres! That's why I wanted to clarify the basis of measurement.
E46 M3 coupe:-
0 to 60 miles per hour in 4.8 seconds.
0 to 100 kilometres per hour in 5.2 seconds.
Note that 1 mile = 1.609344 kilometres. Therefore 100 kilometres = 62.1 miles. The American citation is typically 60 miles, and rest of the world usually 100 kilometres/62 miles. Hence the different reporting times but all are equivalent. Clear? We are talking about the same thing.
Agree, but a 4.8 vs 5.2 is 10% increase in time to go 3.5% faster. The difference in a very fast car isn't that great.
If BMWUSA says E46 M3 at 4.8s, I'll guess they'll publish 4.5s. Magazine numbers will be all over the board as usual.
EDIT: How are the extreme optimists that say it will be in the 3s? NFW on factory tires - too heavy (even if a LTW is made) and not enough torque from a 4.0L NA motor. The new M3 will have the same hp as a base vette and, if significantly ligher than a normal E92, weight about the same. However, the Vette has much better low end torque, so it will be faster 0-60 and it doesn't go in the 3s. Low 4s is possible if weight is reduced.
Agree, but a 4.8 vs 5.2 is 10% increase in time to go 3.5% faster. The difference in a very fast car isn't that great.
If BMWUSA says E46 M3 at 4.8s, I'll guess they'll publish 4.5s. Magazine numbers will be all over the board as usual.
EDIT: How are the extreme optimists that say it will be in the 3s?
A few joints will get you believing it can do it in 2s, let alone 3s.
Jim in Oregon
11-11-2006, 09:06 PM
The best M5 test I've seen is 0-60 in 4.2 and for the M6 4.1. That was by Road & Track in Europe using Launch Control we won't get in the US. Now 4000lbs for the M5 and 3800 lbs for the M6 both with 500 hp yields 8.0 and 7.6 lbs/hp.
So doing the math, for the M3 to be as fast, let's say it comes in at 3500 lbs and 400 hp....8.75 lb/hp...nope gotta be lighter or more hp. To match the M5, the M3 needs 3500 lbs and 437.5hp or 400 hp and 3200 lbs. Not going to happen. The M3 will be slower than the M5 and the M6.
0-60 time will be factory of about 4.6 seconds and the car mags will probably get 4.4.
Dave 330i
11-12-2006, 05:16 AM
Numbers from Edmunds.com
Car, curb weight, torque @ RPM
M5, 4012, 383@6100
M6 coupe, 4850, 383@6100
High torque typically win drag races. I can't imagine the M6 is quicker than the M5 since both cars have the same engine and the M5 weighs much less.
M3 may lose the quarter mile, but I bet the M3 would be much more fun to drive since it will probably weigh less, handles better because it has a shorter wheel base, and it will be a smaller car.
As much as I got to have the 335i coupe mentality, common sense tells me to wait for my stripped M3 to show up.
LinkF1
11-12-2006, 02:00 PM
Numbers from Edmunds.com
Car, curb weight, torque @ RPM
M5, 4012, 383@6100
M6 coupe, 4850, 383@6100
Those weights are not accurate.
BMW's site says 4012 for the M5 and 3909 for the M6 so there is a 100lb difference in favor of the M6.
Technic
11-12-2006, 02:04 PM
BMW will state 4.5, car rags will get 4.2 :D
Yes. :thumbup:
cwsqbm
11-12-2006, 08:39 PM
Numbers from Edmunds.com
Car, curb weight, torque @ RPM
M5, 4012, 383@6100
M6 coupe, 4850, 383@6100
High torque typically win drag races. I can't imagine the M6 is quicker than the M5 since both cars have the same engine and the M5 weighs much less.
I think that's supposed to be 3850 for the M6, so it is lighter and therefore slightly quicker.
On a different note, when Car and Driver compared a CTS-V to an E39 M5 and an E46 M3, the M5 outran the M3 through the quarter mile and had a higher trap speed.
T Bones M
11-21-2006, 06:40 PM
I really like the analysis that Jim in Oregon did. I cannot imagine the E92 M3 weighing less than 3500 lbs, let's just say 3550 lbs.
Looking at the power side....let's imagine BMW is feeling the heat from the Audi RS4 and they want to tweak out the engine as much as possible....
The M6 CSL will have something like 560 hp - translating this into a V8 would give a HP rating of 448 hp. This gives a high estimate of 3550 / 448 = 7.92 lb / hp and a reasonable estimate of 3550 / 430 = 8.25 lb / hp.
Official BMW 0-60 - 4.7 seconds, unofficial - 4.4 seconds
The interesting test will be 0-100 mph.... After 60 mph, HP, drag and frontal area plays a much bigger roll. I predict a 0-100 mph time in 10.5 seconds.
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