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AgentBif
11-29-2006, 01:40 PM
I sent a number of questions in to BMW Financial Services and they neglected to answer all of them... I suppose because they aren't the ones to set the kinds of policies and such that I was asking about. What I'm trying to do is to figure out certain limits or features of a lease that define where BMW policy ends and where the dealer margin starts.

I would appreciate some advice from you folks, in particular:
[1] Who I should go to in BMW USA with these questions?
[2] How I might rephrase my questions so that I get a response?

I guess it was too much to expect straight-up answers. I was kinda hoping I wouldn't have to dance around the business politics and such, but that's just naive I spose.

Anyway, here are the questions from me and the response from BMWFS:

1) My understanding is that you allow the customer to reduce the money factor in a lease by submitting multiple security deposits up front. Is the limit on security deposits 5 extra deposits at .00005 MF each or 7 extra deposits at .00007 MF each?

2) Is there an MF penalty for first time BMW customers? If so, how much is that? (I have heard 0.00015 MF). Is that "penalty" waved with extra security deposits?

3) Can you tell me what the residuals and money factors will be in December for both 2006 and 2007 Z4 si's?

4) Do BMW leases automatically come with gap insurance coverage?

5) What is an acquisition fee and what is the value?

6) Is the destination and handling charge rolled into the cap cost and MSRP of the vehicle when computing the monthly payment?

7) Do all leases have a lease-end buy option? If so, would the "value" of the car be the residual value at the time the lease was initiated?


Response from BMWFS:

Thank you for contacting BMW Financial Services regarding current financing
programs. We would be delighted to assist you.

All of our rate information and money factor rates are communicated directly to
the BMW centers. Since most of the BMW centers are independently owned and
operated, the centers may not necessarily have the opportunity to offer a BMW of
North America sponsored program or rate. Therefore, you may find a slight
variance in money factors and interest rates from one BMW center to the next.

Please contact your local BMW center for the programs that are available to you
at this time. As a captive finance company and indirect lender, we do not have
access to the current rates and promotions since we handle the contracts once
the contracts are signed. You may locate a listing of authorized centers in your
area on our website at www.bmwusa.com. Your local BMW center will be able to
answer any questions you may have about rates, residuals, and special programs.

We thank you for your interest in BMW Financial Services, Mr. Silvey. If you
have any further questions, please respond to this email or contact the Customer
Service Department at 1-800-578-5000, Monday through Friday from 9:00 A.M. to
9:00 P.M., Eastern Standard Time.

kyfdx
11-30-2006, 06:56 AM
I sent a number of questions in to BMW Financial Services and they neglected to answer all of them... I suppose because they aren't the ones to set the kinds of policies and such that I was asking about. What I'm trying to do is to figure out certain limits or features of a lease that define where BMW policy ends and where the dealer margin starts.

I would appreciate some advice from you folks, in particular:
[1] Who I should go to in BMW USA with these questions?
[2] How I might rephrase my questions so that I get a response?

I guess it was too much to expect straight-up answers. I was kinda hoping I wouldn't have to dance around the business politics and such, but that's just naive I spose.

Anyway, here are the questions from me and the response from BMWFS:


Response from BMWFS:

Some of those questions might involve dealer profit, so you won't get any answers from BMWFS or BMWNA that might mess that up for the dealer...

Really, anyone at BMWFS or BMWNA is going to refer you back to the dealer..

There are many informed members here on Bimmerfest that can answer most of those questions for you.... It might not be "authoritative"... but, you'll just have to trust them..

regards,
kyfdx

kyfdx
11-30-2006, 07:04 AM
I sent a number of questions in to BMW Financial Services and they neglected to answer all of them... I suppose because they aren't the ones to set the kinds of policies and such that I was asking about. What I'm trying to do is to figure out certain limits or features of a lease that define where BMW policy ends and where the dealer margin starts.

I would appreciate some advice from you folks, in particular:
[1] Who I should go to in BMW USA with these questions?
[2] How I might rephrase my questions so that I get a response?

I guess it was too much to expect straight-up answers. I was kinda hoping I wouldn't have to dance around the business politics and such, but that's just naive I spose.

Anyway, here are the questions from me and the response from BMWFS:


Response from BMWFS:

1) My understanding is that you allow the customer to reduce the money factor in a lease by submitting multiple security deposits up front. Is the limit on security deposits 5 extra deposits at .00005 MF each or 7 extra deposits at .00007 MF each?

2) Is there an MF penalty for first time BMW customers? If so, how much is that? (I have heard 0.00015 MF). Is that "penalty" waved with extra security deposits?

3) Can you tell me what the residuals and money factors will be in December for both 2006 and 2007 Z4 si's?

4) Do BMW leases automatically come with gap insurance coverage?

5) What is an acquisition fee and what is the value?

6) Is the destination and handling charge rolled into the cap cost and MSRP of the vehicle when computing the monthly payment?

7) Do all leases have a lease-end buy option? If so, would the "value" of the car be the residual value at the time the lease was initiated?

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So.. this may, or may not satisfy you... but, here goes..

1) 7 extra deposits at .00007 each..

2) New customers must make an initial security deposit... If not, the MF waiver bump is .00015 This deposit is separate from the MSD program.

3) December residuals aren't out yet.

4) Yes.. GAP insurance is included in all BMWFS leases.

5) The acquisition fee is $625 and assigned to BMWFS.. It is a revenue generator for them. If they replied, I'm sure they would say it helps mitigate their costs for generating new leases (paperwork, credit checks, etc.) The dealer can mark this fee up by as much as $200 for extra profit on your deal.

6) The destination charge is part of the MSRP for computing the residual value. The cap cost is whatever you pay for the car, plus any other charges that you don't pay upfront. If your dealer breaks out the destination fee as part of the selling price, then that will be part of the cap cost, as well. (All semantics when it comes to what price you pay).

7) I'm pretty sure that all BMWFS leases are closed-end leases. That means the residual is set at the initiation of the lease, and that is your ****out price (+tax), should you choose to purchase the car at lease end.

Hope this helps,
kyfdx

SignHere
11-30-2006, 02:32 PM
All posted rates and residuals for 2007 models are good through 1-2-07.

AgentBif
11-30-2006, 05:06 PM
The more confirmations that people post, the more that I feel I can trust these numbers. Some dealers though will try to pretend that web forum "hearsay" is a lot of hooey... So I can't really use such knowledge as leverage except perhaps if I actually believe some of it. :D

Regarding the Nov rates: it's good to know that they won't turn into pumpkins (or something) tonight at Midnight.

Thanks for the info.

Rubber Ducky
12-01-2006, 06:16 AM
Recently leased a 550i and found the MF at the dealer to actually be a tiny bit lower than the numbers posted here - reflected latest BMWNA numbers, which seem to have been adusted past what was posted. If the dealer marks the MF up or residual down from what's posted here, be alert - is trying to make some bucks on the money side of the transaction. That's OK, but only if you know what you're paying for and are willing to fatten dealer's profit.

Best advice: keep the deal as simple as possible, with trade-in factored out, MSRP w/options negotiated to your comfort, and no hinky adds to the MSRP sheet or to MF/residual values. And if you find a dealer who plays the game this way, treasure him.

I've bought 6 cars from my local dealer (Imported Car Store, Melbourne FL) because (good service and good people aside) every deal was absolutely transparent. Recently put my name on waiting list for 335i convertible even though was also lusting after a MB SLK55 AMG and a Corvette convertible. Expected deal transparency and faith in dealer were the tie-breakers. Chevy dealers are really scary and the local MB dealer an unknown, so stayed with tried-&-true.