Looking for a driver

[72XLT]

I'm looking for feedback from the user community. I'm at a point in life where I'm ready to trade in the family mobile for a daily driver that is fun & fast yet practical. I'm the COO for a tech company in N. Va and have employees, customers and prospects in my car frequently. Off the bat I'm thinking 5 series with a manual trans. 7 is too rich for my blood and the 3 seems to small to be practical.

The reason for seeking out a user group is that I'm not comfortable throwing myself to the mercy of the local dealer. I'm a self confessed "car guy wantabe" and have a weekend classic pickup that I'm slowly restoring while driving. I'm not afraid of a used car if the history is clear and I've got a good comfort level with the vehicle. I also keep things a long time so dependability is important. My current daily driver is a '98.

Given the above, what should I be looking for? Is there a solid, fast, goodlooking (they all look good!) late-model that stands out? Is BMW about to do something so cool that I need to wait for something in the future? Or, is there something on the showroom floor right now that is worth "biting the new car bullet" and making the investment?

Looking forward to your thoughts.

[former230]

I believe they just gave a light refreshing to the 5 series so it would definitely be on the edge as far as that is concerned.

If it were me, and I was in your position, I would go 550i w/ sport package...

I drive a manual now, but I don't think I would if I had to drive clients/prosepctive employees around. I am just so focused on my driving with a manual (as I should be) and I would find it hard to conenctrate on the people in the car...does that makes sense? This probably depends on your comfort level though..I am sure for some who have been driving a manual for a looong time it wouldn't bother them.


Either way, you at least found your way to the right type of car...BMW! Good luck!

[realCL23]

The new 3 series sedans are actually pretty spacious in the back. I'm 6'0" and it was pretty comfortable sitting in the back.
The legroom is the same if not more spacious than the e39. I'm actually thinking about selling the 5 for a 3.
I would say if you want a fun car and practical 335 sedan is not bad choice at all.

[samplemaven]

If it were me, and I was in your position, I would go 550i w/ sport package...

I wound up with the 550i with sport package and active steering. The car is loaded with a lot of interesting options and I have never enjoyed a vehicle as much as I am this one.

If you really want to experience something cool, consider an European Delivery. With the discounts available through BMW off of the base price and negotiations with the dealer on options, I was able to save just under 10% off the MSRP. There is plenty of information available on the European Delivery section of this forum to answer any question you may have.

Unless you must have a manual transmission, I would reconsider your transmission selection. The Steptronic can be had at no additional cost and is really fun to drive.

[bkw]

Is the M5 w/ manual tranny out of your price range? If so, perhaps it'd be best to wait a year or two for the M3. While youre waiting for the M3, you could do a 24mo lease on a 335ic.

[72XLT]

Thanks for the feedback. A couple of questions: WIth the 550i Are 2 extra cylinders work 12 to 14K?

With the 335i, does it come with 4 doors?

[cwsqbm]

Thanks for the feedback. A couple of questions: WIth the 550i Are 2 extra cylinders work 12 to 14K?

With the 335i, does it come with 4 doors?

1. Depends your need for speed.
2. 2 or 4-door 335i are available.

[AzNMpower32]

Thanks for the feedback. A couple of questions: WIth the 550i Are 2 extra cylinders work 12 to 14K?

With the 335i, does it come with 4 doors?
It's up to you whether you want a V8 or the I-6. Here's a C/D review of the 545i: http://www.caranddriver.com/roadtests/8011/bmw-545i.html

There's a lot of technology loaded into these cars, so you might need to decide which options are worth it. Active cruise? Active steering? Sport package? There's a facelift coming for the 2008 model year, which is set to be released mid-2007 (this year!). I even think the twin-turbo 3 liter Inline-6 from the 335i is gonna be made available as a 535i. However, the V8 engine will not change for 2008.

The automatics are good, but the manual transmission is likely an even better choice. Can't go wrong either way, although I heartily recommend you get the 3-pedals to boost sales numbers. One day BMW is gonna say "oh well, we don't sell enough manuals in the US to justify offering it there"........so I always persaude people to skip the autobox option when possible. Look what's happened to the manual transmission on the new X5. It disappeared :thumbdwn:

Yes, the 335i is available in 2 and 4 doors. However, the 3 has a different personality, and once agian, you gotta decide whether you feel its right. The 3 is a smaller, sportier car, and while its certainly great for long distance drives, the 5 probably does that better.

Of course, if used cars are fine for you, consider looking for a 2001-2003 540i. Those are truly good looking cars.

[beauport]

I'll add my vote for a 550i with Sport Package. Personally I agree with you and would want the 6MT. To your question if 2 more cylinders are worth the 12-14K, there's a whole more to the car than the V8. Take a look here for info on the 08 which will be released in March.
http://www.bmwusa.com/Vehicles/futurevehicles/new5/press?source=NEW5FVTOPNAV

[wwb4]

Definitely another vote for the 550i/w sport package and m/t.

[wwb4]

The new 3 series sedans are actually pretty spacious in the back. I'm 6'0" and it was pretty comfortable sitting in the back.
The legroom is the same if not more spacious than the e39. I'm actually thinking about selling the 5 for a 3.
I would say if you want a fun car and practical 335 sedan is not bad choice at all.

I would definitely have to agree that the new 3 series is pretty spacious in the back, as long as the passengers sitting up front are under 6'0" and there is no one over 5'9" sitting in the back at the same time.

[PhilH]

It sounds like he might want to go used, and isn't necessarily interested in spending the extra cash for a 550i.

So...when did the 530i get the new 255 hp 3.0 liter engine? Was it 2006 or 2007? The 2005 530i might work as well, but magazines got so-so acceleration results with the 225 hp 3.0 liter engine in it. Not bad, but about 7 seconds 0-60, which is mid pack.

It sounds like a 530i might fit your needs better IMO. For most average consumers, the 525i would work too, especially with a manual tranny.

[BmW745On19's]

Get a used 2003 M5.

[wwb4]

Get a used 2003 M5.

Great recommendation! :thumbup:

[bkw]

e39 M5. Great choice if youre in the mid $30k range.

[stiffy1]

I drive an '06 525i and occasionally take customers out in my car. The only caution I would offer is the impression some of these folks get that I have too much money and perhaps am overcharging them to pay for the car. The advise of used is very sound (oh, yes, Mr. Customer, it's a BMW, but I got a great deal on it used...) and the earlier-gen 5-series are a great vehicle, and while the styling is wonderful, it is a bit understated, which is good. Even a pre-owned (go CPO) E60 would work. Truth is, as well, because BMW residuals are so solid, my lease payment was about the same as the rate on a new Maxima (!!)

As for engine size, while I would much prefer to drive a 550i I just couldn't justify the additional outlay. If this is truly just a driver, the smaller engine in the 525 or 530 is plenty.

I personally don't think the 3-series is large enough for customers/prospects/employees. Maybe for family and friends but that's all.

My thoughts only, of course. Good luck.

[quackbury]

Go with a E60 (5 series), new, not used.

If you can write off any significant portion of the car (sounds like you are a common law employee, so that would be on Form 2106), take a VERY hard look at leasing. The finances of leasing a BMW are hard to beat, especially if you can take European Delivery. (If you love the car, you can always buy it when it comes off lease).

The 550i is addicting. As others have noted, you get a lot more standard with the car for your extra $$$ - not just 2 extra cylinders. But you may be very happy with a 2007 530, or thrilled with the upcoming 2008 535. If you drive a 530 and like it, order one quickly. The lease deals as the model nears the end of its life will be sweet.

As someone else said, take a look at the Steptronic transmission (which can be shifted "manually" in Sport mode) and/or the new Sport Automatic being introduced in the 2008's. If you do much driving in traffic, you may prefer one of these to a manual.

Ask for advice on this board for the "best" dealership near you. This is especially critical if you plan to take Euro Delivery, as many dealers are clueless on the ED program.

The best advice is to determine which model you like, then spend a lot of time on this board researching how to negotiate the price and the lease terms. It is AMAZING how much you will save - which in turn will make you love the car that much more. :thumbup:

[72XLT]

Guys - Awsome feedback, thank you so much. In no particular order:

1. I'm so nostalgic for a manual transmission, I had one when I was younger, and since have always been bugged by the automatic "deciding" when I wanted to change gears. I realize that I'm a) older, b) living in the suburbs and c) well...older; but I still want one.

2. I'm not afraid of used, but given the resale values, what am I gaining (or giving up) by going to a 2006/05? In the case of the M5, if it's a significant savings for a 'classic", then I'll hunt until I find the perfect one, I have the time.

3. The Euro delivery is an interesting option, as are the tax implications for lease. I'll run the tax questions by my accountant along with my 2007 returns. As far as dealers, can any really be trusted? If so, any in the Washington DC metro area? Beginning a dialog with someone who's not trying to sell me something before I go home would be nice. What are the major benefits of a Euro delivery? I phisically fly there to take delivery? Drive it to the boat? Sounds fun.

I'll check out the links and report back, thanks again for the info.

[Bob Clevenger]

ED in a nutshell.
1. You fly to Munich (probably get a "buy 1, get 1 free" deal on an Economy-class ticket too!).
2. You drive your new BMW around Europe for up to 2 weeks (trying to keep the engine speed down on the Autobahn!) with insurance paid by BMW.
3. You drop the car off at the shipper.
4. You fly home.
5. You wait for your car to arrive at your dealer.

All this, and the price savings will pay for your trip to Europe!

BTW, get whatever transmission YOU like. I got the 6-speed manual on my 650i and drove it across Germany, up to Copenhagen, down to Normandy, and across to London where I dropped it off for shipping. If you want a manual transmission you will have a hard time finding one in the used market, and will most likely have to order one new. You probably won't find any manual demos to try either.

[MB330]

ED in a nutshell.
1. You fly to Munich (probably get a "buy 1, get 1 free" deal on an Economy-class ticket too!).
2. You drive your new BMW around Europe for up to 2 weeks (trying to keep the engine speed down on the Autobahn!) with insurance paid by BMW.
3. You drop the car off at the shipper.
4. You fly home.
5. You wait for your car to arrive at your dealer.

All this, and the price savings will pay for your trip to Europe!

BTW, get whatever transmission YOU like. I got the 6-speed manual on my 650i and drove it across Germany, up to Copenhagen, down to Normandy, and across to London where I dropped it off for shipping. If you want a manual transmission you will have a hard time finding one in the used market, and will most likely have to order one new. You probably won't find any manual demos to try either.

ED is a way to get new BMW!:thumbup:
Get 550 - lives ones - enjoy!

[AzNMpower32]

3. The Euro delivery is an interesting option, as are the tax implications for lease. I'll run the tax questions by my accountant along with my 2007 returns. As far as dealers, can any really be trusted? If so, any in the Washington DC metro area? Beginning a dialog with someone who's not trying to sell me something before I go home would be nice. What are the major benefits of a Euro delivery? I phisically fly there to take delivery? Drive it to the boat? Sounds fun.

I'll check out the links and report back, thanks again for the info.
ED is def. the way to go when buying a new BMW, given that your schedule allows for a week or two in Europe. :thumbup:

I live in the area and can give you a referral and pointers if wanted.

[72XLT]

AzNMpower - Who do you recommend as a dealer/rep here locally?

[ProRail]

The new 3 series sedans are actually pretty spacious in the back. I'm 6'0" and it was pretty comfortable sitting in the back.
The legroom is the same if not more spacious than the e39. I'm actually thinking about selling the 5 for a 3.
I would say if you want a fun car and practical 335 sedan is not bad choice at all.

Traditionally the 5's have more passenger-friendly features than the 3's, but I think the gap is not as big as it used to be. Be sure to try them both and read all info in the brochures.

[AzNMpower32]

AzNMpower - Who do you recommend as a dealer/rep here locally?
Sent a PM.

[RussellTom]

I did an ED of a 550i, Sport Package, SMG in November06. Best 2 weeks of driving ever. It was worth every bit of effort it took to get 2 weeks away from work. I can't count the number of times I was thinking "Damn.. How cool is it that I'm driving down the autobahn" over the 2 weeks. Still think about it every time I get into the car.

It's more luxury than my Miata, but still a driver's car.

[samplemaven]

I did an ED of a 550i, Sport Package, SMG in November06. Best 2 weeks of driving ever. It was worth every bit of effort it took to get 2 weeks away from work. I can't count the number of times I was thinking "Damn.. How cool is it that I'm driving down the autobahn" over the 2 weeks. Still think about it every time I get into the car.

It's more luxury than my Miata, but still a driver's car.

I couldn't agree with you more.

[72XLT]

Thanks AzNMpower32! It may be the fall before I pull the trigger on this, if I get started w/a dealer now is it too early? I still feel like I've got a lot of reading to do.

For everyone - This is great stuff, gotta love the 'net. At this point I'm leaning towards the 5 w/the manual tranny, really wanting the 550i, but interested in the new 535 with the new engine. Haven't heard of a classic out there I've gotta have, so I guess it's new. ED is like a dream, I've got a job and a house full of kids, don't know if I've got 2 weeks to give, maybe the next one?

[AzNMpower32]

Thanks AzNMpower32! It may be the fall before I pull the trigger on this, if I get started w/a dealer now is it too early? I still feel like I've got a lot of reading to do.

For everyone - This is great stuff, gotta love the 'net. At this point I'm leaning towards the 5 w/the manual tranny, really wanting the 550i, but interested in the new 535 with the new engine. Haven't heard of a classic out there I've gotta have, so I guess it's new. ED is like a dream, I've got a job and a house full of kids, don't know if I've got 2 weeks to give, maybe the next one?
That's fine. If you don't have a week to spare in Germany, you can also try Performance Center Delivery in Spartainburg, SC which would take just about 3 days. I believe BMW will pay for part of your trip and accomodations, although I'm not 100% sure on what. BMW offers lots of programs at little or no cost, but most people don't know about these to take advantage of them.

It's never too early to take a test drive and get a feel. Or better yet, call and check availability on a manual transmission. They really are in no rush to sell you a car..........this isn't your average Toyota dealer.

[AComp]

I did the Performance Center Delivery (PCD), and it was a fabulous, 1st class experience.

Do a search and you can find out more info. The BMWUSA site has a brief description.
The program consists of you (+1 other) picking up your car at the Spartanburg plant.

It is a full day where you will; be taught handling characteristics of your car on a track (not your actual car ;) ), then get a factory tour (it was temp closed for tours when I went, so we went to the museum), then get a detailed delivery/ description of your car from a factory rep. They will "walk" you thru your car from front to rear.

You fly in the day prior, and stay at the nearby Marriot. The hotel meets you at the airport (in a bimmer, of course), and a shuttle bus will take you to the Performance Center the next morning.
BMW pays for the hotel, dinner and breakfast at the hotel restaurant (which is very good).

If you have more questions, feel free to PM me.