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Alex Baumann
01-10-2003, 06:59 AM
# of cars with electronic failures per 1000 units (2001)

Saab...............................36,5
Alfa Romeo.....................23,3
Renault...........................21,3
Kia..................................20,6
Volvo..............................20,6
Lancia.............................20,5
Daewoo..........................20,4
Fiat.................................18,8
Skoda.............................16,6
Hyundai..........................16,4
Jaguar............................14,4
CitroŽn...........................12,1
Ford................................11,8
Mercedes........................11,1
Peugeot..........................10,7
Opel................................10,4
Seat..................................9,9
Daihatsu...........................9,5
Porsche.............................9,4
BMW..................................9,1
Nissan................................8,9
Volkswagen.......................8,9
Suzuki................................8,5
Mitsubishi...........................8,4
Mazda................................7,2
Audi....................................6,7
Subaru................................6,2
Toyota................................5,6
Honda.................................5,4

LMC
01-10-2003, 07:19 AM
Interesting. Do these statistics refer to any electronic failure in the car? Or only to critical systems such as engine control or ABS or the like?

I'm surprised that Audi did better than BMW.

Alex Baumann
01-10-2003, 07:22 AM
Originally posted by LMC
Interesting. Do these statistics refer to any electronic failure in the car? Or only to critical systems such as engine control or ABS or the like?

I'm surprised that Audi did better than BMW.

The statistic includes any electronic failure in general.

Desertnate
01-10-2003, 07:39 AM
Something I thought was interesting is the difference in companies that share parts...

For example SAAB and Opel. Granted the real parts sharing is now starting to take place.

Another pair is Fiat and Alfa Romeo. They are quite different in their results as well. From what I understand they share quite a bit.

Audi and VW are more like what I would have expected from the others.

EDIT: Boy I really need to proof my posts...cleaned up

Patrick
01-10-2003, 08:05 AM
I am not at all surprised to see SAAB in first place, but surprised not to see FIAT in a close second!

nate
01-10-2003, 08:10 AM
I think BMW will move up a few (maybe a lot) of places in 2002 with the E65 :thumbup:

webguy330i
01-10-2003, 08:36 AM
How did Audi finish below BMW? I've never heard anything but horrible things about Audi electronics!

Desertnate
01-10-2003, 08:41 AM
Originally posted by Dave 330i
Jaguar............................14,4

surprised the infamous Jag is not at the top.

Amazing as it may sound, but from what I have been reading, Jag's quality has actually improved since they were taken over by Ford.

elfhearse
01-10-2003, 09:01 AM
Alfa Romeo as expected, I too would have expected Fiat to be higher based on my past memories from the 70's & 80's. Maybe they can do a "rust through" listing too.

Nick325xiT 5spd
01-10-2003, 10:15 AM
That can't possibly include aux fans.

pdz
01-10-2003, 11:24 AM
did not realize saabs still had those sorts of issues.

honestly. that's awful.

Kaz
01-10-2003, 11:29 AM
I'm surprised by the spread between Daihatsu and Toyota considering they are essentially the same company. I also expected Mitsubishi and Suzuki to place a little worse.

Capitalist
01-10-2003, 02:18 PM
That poll is fundamentally flawed in so far that it does not take into account the number and complexity of electronics in each car. A 7-series or S-class would have a lot more components to break down than a Hyundai or Seat. Having said that, Iím very surprised that BMW/Audi/Mercedes did so well considering the amount of electronic components that they come with.

CD-55
01-10-2003, 02:43 PM
I bet the E65 will have a lot of failures, but it has so many more circuits.

I wonder what the failure rate per circuit would be?