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·clyde·
01-12-2003, 12:56 PM
So Jetfire and I (plus a friend of Jetfire's) rented a Nissan Xterra and drove to Detroit on Friday. We spent about 4.5 hours at the autoshow on Saturday and then drove back to DC.

http://www.lawair.com/bmw/naias2003.jpg

There was no 330i ZHP on the floor. There was a 325Cic in Mystic Blue. None of the pictures I took do a great job of representing the color.

http://www.lawair.com/bmw/mystic.jpg

The best words to describe what it looked like under the show lights are that it's a little closer to Topaz than Orient, but very close to being directly in the middle between them...only it's a litte bit more pale. The color looked very deep (again, under the lights) and rich.

There was an Alpina Z8:

http://www.lawair.com/bmw/alpinaz81.jpg

http://www.lawair.com/bmw/alpinaz82.jpg

We saw the GTO:

http://www.lawair.com/bmw/gto.jpg

The styling left me very underwhelmed. The impression I had was "slightly muscular Cavalier." Depending on your views, this could be a good or a bad thing. Hopefully it drives better than it looks. We couldn't get close enough to get a good look at the interior.

The Chevy SS did a lot for me:

http://www.lawair.com/bmw/chevyss1.jpg

http://www.lawair.com/bmw/chevyss2.jpg

Of course, there are strong similarities to the RX-8, which I also like:

http://www.lawair.com/bmw/rx8.jpg

After sitting in it, though, I'm not quite as taken with it as I once was. The interior plastics feel cheap and almost chintzy. As far as the tactile response goes, I'd perfer the newest C5 Corvette I could find. If the driving experience delivers, it would still be on my short list.

·clyde·
01-12-2003, 12:57 PM
The silver Mustang was there:

http://www.lawair.com/bmw/must1.jpg

http://www.lawair.com/bmw/must2.jpg

http://www.lawair.com/bmw/must3.jpg

http://www.lawair.com/bmw/must4.jpg

I really dig this. A lot.

There were lots of other cars that we saw, sat in, drooled on, etc. The show was much more fun than the autoshows that I've been to in the past in DC and LA (although LA would be a not too terribly distant second). It seems kind of silly to drive ~520 miles(each way) to go to one of these, but with good company, it was quite a bit a fun, and I'd do it again.

The only part that I didn't like was when the exaust pipe on the Buick (shudder) detaching itself from the cat and then dragging on the ground at freeway speed on the Beltway around midnight while I was coming home from Jetfire's. :mad:

Dr. Phil
01-12-2003, 04:57 PM
Originally posted by Clyde@work


Of course, there are strong similarities to the RX-8, which I also like:

http://www.lawair.com/bmw/rx8.jpg

After sitting in it, though, I'm not quite as taken with it as I once was.
Why did you fuzz you face out, we've seen you before :confused: Or was that an innocent bystander :dunno:

I did little yesterday, I should have went along for the ride :banghead:

JST
01-12-2003, 06:00 PM
Sorry to hear that there is no ZHP. I was looking forward to checking that out. It is nice to see that you can sit in the RX-8s, though.

Did you check out the BMW owner's club?

Jetfire
01-12-2003, 06:08 PM
Originally posted by JST
Sorry to hear that there is no ZHP. I was looking forward to checking that out. It is nice to see that you can sit in the RX-8s, though.

Did you check out the BMW owner's club?

NAIAS was definitely a lot of fun. :thumbup: Sure, it was not exactly an easy drive in that Xterra, but the show and the cameraderie was more than worth the trouble.

I'm not sure what you mean by the owner's club. On the upper level of the BMW section, there was a roped-off area with some stylish stools and tables. There was the hyrdogen 745 parked in that area, and there were some female BMW reps standing by the entrance. Maybe that was the owner's club; GM had a similar roped-off area for employees or VIPs, so I assumed that was what the BMW section was for and therefore skipped it. Did I miss something cool?

JST
01-12-2003, 06:11 PM
Originally posted by Jetfire
NAIAS was definitely a lot of fun. :thumbup: Sure, it was not exactly an easy drive in that Xterra, but the show and the cameraderie was more than worth the trouble.

I'm not sure what you mean by the owner's club. On the upper level of the BMW section, there was a roped-off area with some stylish stools and tables. There was the hyrdogen 745 parked in that area, and there were some female BMW reps standing by the entrance. Maybe that was the owner's club; GM had a similar roped-off area for employees or VIPs, so I assumed that was what the BMW section was for and therefore skipped it. Did I miss something cool?

Usually, if you show your key, they'll let you in to that area. Two years ago they had snacks and soda there. It made for nice respite from the crowds. May be different this year, but I hope not.

Jetfire
01-12-2003, 06:20 PM
Originally posted by JST
Usually, if you show your key, they'll let you in to that area. Two years ago they had snacks and soda there. It made for nice respite from the crowds. May be different this year, but I hope not.

Ah, so *that's* how you get in there. The crowds were pretty thing when we hit the BMW section (we were at the doors when they opened and BMW was maybe the third place we visited) so crowds weren't a huge deal at the moment. That would've come in pretty handy after about 1pm, though.

Jetfire
01-12-2003, 07:38 PM
I have three pics of the Mystic Blue coupe. The first one is probably closest to its "natural" hue, but I also included a lighter shot and a darker one (surrounding the LED taillights) for contrast.

Jetfire
01-12-2003, 07:40 PM
shot 2:

Jetfire
01-12-2003, 07:41 PM
shot 3:

hockeynut
01-12-2003, 08:30 PM
Thanks for the pix. I've already called my salesman to change my '04 330CiC from Orient to Mystic and the more I see these pictures, the more I think I made the right choice.

SteveH

Randy Forbes
01-12-2003, 09:12 PM
Originally posted by Jetfire
Ah, so *that's* how you get in there. The crowds were pretty thing when we hit the BMW section (we were at the doors when they opened and BMW was maybe the third place we visited) so crowds weren't a huge deal at the moment. That would've come in pretty handy after about 1pm, though.

The key's the ticket. Though she didn't ask to see mine...
Might've been the ///M badge on my sweater:angel:
Soda & pretzels are still being served (last year too).
We must've been there at the same time!
Walked through the doors a few minutes after ten, and stayed until sometime after two.

Last year, we took delivery of our X5 immediately after visiting the auto show on opening day. As it sits tonight, it has exactly 12,076 miles on it. One year to the day of getting it and we're 76 miles over the mileage for our lease plan...
I can see it being "parked" the last few months of the lease if the miles get to high!

Here's the car I would most like to have taken home:

Jetfire
01-12-2003, 09:47 PM
Originally posted by hockeynut
Thanks for the pix. I've already called my salesman to change my '04 330CiC from Orient to Mystic and the more I see these pictures, the more I think I made the right choice.

SteveH

I think Mystic will be great, but I really want to see it outside first. It's hard to tell from staring at the car underneath those NAIAS lights. As a fan of blue cars, I kinda wish it were slightly darker...but I think it will be a nicer shade than Topaz.

Jetfire
01-12-2003, 09:51 PM
Originally posted by Randy Forbes
The key's the ticket. Though she didn't ask to see mine...
Might've been the ///M badge on my sweater:angel:
Soda & pretzels are still being served (last year too).
We must've been there at the same time!
Walked through the doors a few minutes after ten, and stayed until sometime after two.

Here's the car I would most like to have taken home:

Perhaps next year I'll check out the lounge. Now that I know the secret password. ;)

Ah yes, the loverly classic Maserati. I was also quite pleased to also see a classic purple Dart and a cherry red Chevelle SS on display at the show. If I could pick just one car to take home, it would've been the Caddy 16. Of all the concept cars, that was the one that took my breath away.

operknockity
01-13-2003, 02:53 AM
Originally posted by Jetfire
I think Mystic will be great, but I really want to see it outside first. It's hard to tell from staring at the car underneath those NAIAS lights. As a fan of blue cars, I kinda wish it were slightly darker...but I think it will be a nicer shade than Topaz.
All my cars have been metallic blue :D. If Mystic Blue had been available on the '02 3er I'd most likely have gone for it over the steel blue, as it is much closer to the other metallic blues I've had.

·clyde·
01-13-2003, 06:27 AM
Originally posted by Jetfire
Perhaps next year I'll check out the lounge. Now that I know the secret password. ;)

Ah yes, the loverly classic Maserati. I was also quite pleased to also see a classic purple Dart and a cherry red Chevelle SS on display at the show. If I could pick just one car to take home, it would've been the Caddy 16. Of all the concept cars, that was the one that took my breath away.

The Cadillac 16...I was suprised to see that it was 4 doors. All the pics I had seen before leaving left me with the impression that there were only two...couldn't see the gap for the rears at all.

Jetfire
01-13-2003, 07:12 AM
Originally posted by Clyde@work
The Cadillac 16...I was suprised to see that it was 4 doors. All the pics I had seen before leaving left me with the impression that there were only two...couldn't see the gap for the rears at all.

Yeah, it turns out to actually be a four-door hardtop. The lack of a B-pillar is what fooled us into thinking it just had two doors. And while suicide rear doors would've been even cooler, I think the design worked very well. :D

JST
01-13-2003, 07:13 AM
Originally posted by Jetfire
Yeah, it turns out to actually be a four-door hardtop. The lack of a B-pillar is what fooled us into thinking it just had two doors. And while suicide rear doors would've been even cooler, I think the design worked very well. :D

I'm looking forward to seeing the Sixteen, but what I am really waiting for is the Cadillac Escalade EXT V16.

JST
01-13-2003, 07:22 AM
My one criticism of the Sixteen is that it marks the first use of a shared concept car interior with a cross-town rival. You would think that Ford and GM deciding to use the same interior in the Messenger and the Sixteen would have drawn some press coverage, but maybe others are too scared to talk about it. Remember, you read it here first.

Article on Cadillac Sixteen from thecarconnection:

http://www.thecarconnection.com/index.asp?article=5668


Picture from article:
http://thecarconnection.com/images/gallery/tmb/6568_image.jpg

Article on Edmunds about Mercury:
http://www.edmunds.com/news/autoshows/articles/83142/page029.html

Picture from article: http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com/media/2003/naias/mercury.messenger/mercury.messenger.int.500.jpg

·clyde·
01-13-2003, 07:33 AM
Originally posted by JST
My one criticism of the Sixteen is that it marks the first use of a shared concept car interior with a cross-town rival. You would think that Ford and GM deciding to use the same interior in the Messenger and the Sixteen would have drawn some press coverage, but maybe others are too scared to talk about it. Remember, you read it here first.


:lmao:

edit- someone made a little boo boo

What a concept though

:lmao:

Jetfire
01-13-2003, 07:41 AM
:lmao: They must've done some quick overnight interior work on the Sixteen after realizing the gaffe. It sure didn't look like that in person!

The end of that article implies that GM may be looking into production options for the car. My guess: Highly unlikely. But man, how cool would that be?!

jrubens
01-13-2003, 02:57 PM
hockeynut, what color interior are you going with? I was all set for steel blue with black or tan, but mystic blue has me thinking....