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Jeff_DML
01-15-2003, 11:10 AM
http://money.cnn.com/2002/12/17/pf/autos/shift_wars/index.htm

:)

TD
01-15-2003, 11:16 AM
Originally posted by Jeff_DML
http://money.cnn.com/2002/12/17/pf/autos/shift_wars/index.htm

:)

His father was right. He's a weenie.

nate
01-15-2003, 11:20 AM
he's right here

But maybe you don't need a good reason. Maybe you just like knowing that you can pick your own gears.

Artslinger
01-15-2003, 12:06 PM
Automatics are fine if you're a lazy-ass, real sports cars have manual transmissions.

Jspeed
01-15-2003, 12:15 PM
His points are all valid. People nowadays buy manuals for fun, not for saving gas, saving money, etc.

edit: He even conceded that "without the clutch, half the fun is gone."

fioca325i01
01-15-2003, 12:21 PM
I miss my clutch...
anyone ever do a Step to manual retrofit?

j/k :D

bren
01-15-2003, 12:37 PM
"Between changing CDs, answering the cell phone, drinking coffee and gesturing out the window at "that moron," do you really need something else that occupies one hand and a leg?"

:tsk:

Artslinger
01-15-2003, 12:38 PM
I remember when I bought my 325, I asked my wife if we should get a automatic because of all the city traffic and she said "why would you get anything but a manual on a car like a 3 series BMW, buying an automatic is something a yuppie would do".

HW
01-15-2003, 12:45 PM
Originally posted by Artslinger
I remember when I bought my 325, I asked my wife if we should get a automatic because of all the city traffic and she said "why would you get anything but a manual on a car like a 3 series BMW, buying an automatic is something a yuppie would do".

you caught yourself a good one! :thumbup: :lmao:

dlloyd1975
01-15-2003, 02:32 PM
Originally posted by Artslinger
I remember when I bought my 325, I asked my wife if we should get a automatic because of all the city traffic and she said "why would you get anything but a manual on a car like a 3 series BMW, buying an automatic is something a yuppie would do".

My wife also feels the same way. Both of us *hate* automatics. Both of us have driven manuals exclusively since we learned to drve.

All they've ever had to drive at the dealership I've gone to is steps, which are actually pretty good for an auto transmission. Maybe it's that the whole clutch thing is hard-wired into my brain at this point, but I just can't shift with the steptronic tranny. For some reason, I must clutch when I shift, otherwise it just doesn't work for me.

Jeff_DML
01-15-2003, 02:42 PM
Originally posted by Jspeed
His points are all valid. People nowadays buy manuals for fun, not for saving gas, saving money, etc.

edit: He even conceded that "without the clutch, half the fun is gone."

I buy manuals for fun but the gas mileage and lower initial cost is a plus that I consider.

Jspeed
01-15-2003, 03:12 PM
Originally posted by Jeff_DML
I buy manuals for fun but the gas mileage and lower initial cost is a plus that I consider.
What you said does not contradict with what I said. Those are merely bonuses.

MikeW
01-15-2003, 03:36 PM
Originally posted by fioca325i01
I miss my clutch...
anyone ever do a Step to manual retrofit?

j/k :D

Easiest thing in the world to do. The only complication is that it requires replacing the whole car.
:)

Nick325xiT 5spd
01-15-2003, 03:45 PM
Originally posted by MikeW
Easiest thing in the world to do. The only complication is that it requires replacing the whole car.
:)

Some guy on fanatics actually did it. I still don't understand why.

(Edit: Then again, he's spent something like 10 or 15K on wheels, so maybe the answer is obvious.)

GimpyMcFarlan
01-15-2003, 04:12 PM
Loser. :thumbdwn:

Matthew330Ci
01-15-2003, 08:30 PM
i haven't yet finished the article but he completely dodges the point of manuals giving more power by double-talking about today's cars having more power generally..

what a lamef uck loser..

but the thing is 99.99% of america agrees with him. (including 99.99% of the owners of the supposed ultimate driving machine) :rolleyes:

Hugie Wangie
01-15-2003, 09:38 PM
You're a weenie.

Originally posted by TD
His father was right. He's a weenie.

DINANISR3
01-15-2003, 11:39 PM
i have seen a Renntech CLK60 street car turned into track monster that had a $19,000 manual tranny dropped in.. car was awesome.. but paying that much for a manual.. :eek:

tgravo2
01-16-2003, 10:03 AM
I think it all depends on what type of car you are looking at. If you were to buy a suburban or a crown vic I really don't see anyone wanting a stick in that. It's not practical but when I see a nice vette or Cobra in a parking lot and look inside and its an automatic. That just aggravates me :mad:

mbr129
01-16-2003, 10:40 AM
My cousin (who I just found out is the biggest poseur in the world) always talked about fast cars. 911 turbo's, this and that. His parents are wealthy but he is a college graduate working at a crappy job. So of course he lives at home with his parents and leases an IS300. I would have given him crap about it being an automatic, but to be fair, the car was not offered with a manual when he got it. So I cut him some slack. So now I found out he turned in his IS300 and got an ML320. :tsk: This is from a guy who supposedly is a driving enthusiast. By the way, he uses his car only as a means of transportation to work and to clubs in Boston.

hockeynut
01-16-2003, 01:19 PM
I remember my dad teaching me (on a 76 Datsun stick) about starting in 2nd/3rd gear in the snow. Worked like a charm...

SteveH

tgravo2
01-16-2003, 02:14 PM
Originally posted by hockeynut
I remember my dad teaching me (on a 76 Datsun stick) about starting in 2nd/3rd gear in the snow. Worked like a charm...

SteveH

Does it snow a lot in Austin?

nate
01-16-2003, 02:38 PM
Originally posted by tgravo2
Does it snow a lot in Austin? Rarely, but a lot of folks have moved there from the snow belt...

btw, bundle up, it's going to get COLD tonight :thumbup: