Ontario Legislature has gone too far

[Sleepr]

I have just heard about a recent push in canadian politics to pass a bill in ontario that would make it possible for a police officer to pop your hood and decide if your car has been tuned enough to allow them to tow your vehichle and possible repercussions on you liscence. If anybody else has any information on this bill pleas let me know. I will do some digging of my own. I believe this bill wont make it far due to the difficulty there would be to enforce it and to what extent would be considered too much. The very thought that a bill that violates ordinary canadians rights even when no crime has been commited is shocking. We aren't as gung hoe for our "constitutional" rights here as in america but i think this is too far.

[ashinoz]

And another complication would be by what measure do police officers become vehicle engineers to arbitrarily decide what is ok and is what is not? Another example of nanny state politics going to far IMHO

[SCANDINAVIAN13]

Yeah. I'ts definitely too subjective to actually be effective.

[Pirate_copy]

We actually discussed this on another thread recently. It sucks BIG TIME!!!

Conehead is the best person to comment on this me thinks....Mr Cone??

[DominguesE30]

they do this in australia already. Well for a long time now!

[Pirate_copy]

I would be DEAD if they did that to mine!!

Only thing you could do would be an ECU re-map as it is almost invisable!!

[DominguesE30]

they wouldnt pick on stuff like that pete, they go for illegal modifications, too low, wheel rubbing, wide bodykits, bald tyres, ect ect ect
U can have a 12 second bmw, aslong as it is 100***37; road legal with Road worthy certificate and an engineers report then they cant do anything.

But the probationary drivers will be fined if any modifications are found.

[SCANDINAVIAN13]

Sounds like I'll have to re-consider moving to Australia...

I'm not so much a fan of people deciding what I can and can't do to my car. So basically what they're saying is that you have to pay for your mods up front - buy a really nice Ferrari and not mod it - instead of buying a car and upgrading it to a comparable level. Sounds a bit arbitrary and capricious to me...

[DominguesE30]

meh, only applies to young drivers. The death rate here for young drivers is through the roof.
When u get off ur P's u can do anything u want as long as its road legal.

[Conehead]

I have just heard about a recent push in canadian politics to pass a bill in ontario that would make it possible for a police officer to pop your hood and decide if your car has been tuned enough to allow them to tow your vehichle and possible repercussions on you liscence. If anybody else has any information on this bill pleas let me know. I will do some digging of my own. I believe this bill wont make it far due to the difficulty there would be to enforce it and to what extent would be considered too much. The very thought that a bill that violates ordinary canadians rights even when no crime has been commited is shocking. We aren't as gung hoe for our "constitutional" rights here as in america but i think this is too far.


This is already in effect in Australia. Quite often police do target operations in relation to car modifications. These target operation include, but arnt limited to dangerous and unsafe mods, to enviromental issues.

The reasons being that here, cars are only inspected once per year, so some people 'remove' the dangerous modifications from there vehicle to get the passed for rego (Pink Slip), then they put the mods back on.

Here, Highway Patrol police have a book that indicates what the factory specs are for a certain vehicle. All vehicles that comply to AUST Standards are included.

You are pretty much safe as long as you dont interfere with the polution stuff or such systems.

I can assue you that you wont get a ticket for changing certain aspects of your car like, standard airbox to a CAI or a chip to get a few more horses out of the engine.

Where you come unstuck is if you put a 1000hp engine in a car designed to have 250hp, and you decide the standard brakes are ok for the job.

Dont get me wrong either, if you want to do crazy modifications to a car here, you still can. All you have to do is get an engineer to certify that the mod is safe, and you are all set to hit the street.

I know that some of the younger folks of the site will think these laws are draconian, but it comes down safety.

These rules also tie in with the licence restrictions in place for younger drivers. It means that a younger drivers cant turn there family cars (mums or dads) into a mega horsepower street machine.

Also, this is a breif overlay, if you want to know anything further, let me know.

Cheers :thumbup:

[Conehead]

Sounds like I'll have to re-consider moving to Australia...

I'm not so much a fan of people deciding what I can and can't do to my car. So basically what they're saying is that you have to pay for your mods up front - buy a really nice Ferrari and not mod it - instead of buying a car and upgrading it to a comparable level. Sounds a bit arbitrary and capricious to me...

Not true. There is a list of cars that comply with a certain power / weight ratio for young drivers. You cannot drive / register any of the cars on the list.

And yes, I would dare say a Ferrari would breach the list.....:p

[DominguesE30]

lol, i dont really like ferarri's
Give me a m5 anyday!

[SCANDINAVIAN13]

Yeah, I'd take a Bimmer over a 'rarri any day. I was just using it as an example.

Thanks for the clarification Cone. I really have no clue about any working down there that aren't vaguely aviation-related. Sounds like it's a little more restrictive than the States (then again, I think we have the worst licensing program of all Western countries: "Can you drive a car?" "Not really" "GREAT! Here's your license!"), in terms of what you can do with what license, in the end it's about the same.

[bimmerology]

wow i live close to ontario california and never knew this

[docrobot]

Duh, thats Ontario, Canada...

[Conehead]

wow i live close to ontario california and never knew this


I was going to say that as well.....!!!

[Sleepr]

yea sorry forgot yank's frequent this forum, i should have clarified ontario canada... anyways it doesn't look like the bill is going to be passed anyways.

[E36 Phantom]

Dude, they can do that in CA now. If they think your car is modified and *may* be out of legal spec, they can force you to allow them to inspect, and if they find something illegal they can write you up, and if they think they have but can't prove it they can force you to have a certified state inspector look at it. I <3 Kalifornia. :tsk:

[bimmerology]

duh it was a joke, man no humor in here

[SCANDINAVIAN13]

Another reason I don't live in California...