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Andrew*Debbie
02-04-2008, 06:43 AM
I just heard that the BMW plant has begun getting ready to start building the X3.

Hmmm. That could mean a Spring 2009 Launch.

I had been hoping we'd be able to lease one more e83. May have to do that sooner than I planed.

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2975820&postcount=3

STE92VE
02-04-2008, 07:26 AM
Now you've got my mind going in all different directions.:rofl:

From everything I've read, the next gen X3 will be a MY2010 and BMW usually starts production of future MY vehicles in September. An exception to this, is the introduction of the X6 in Spring 2008, but this is an entirely new model and it has a MY2009 designation.

Knowing that MY2009 X3 was going to be the last year manufactured in Austria and anticipating that MY2010 was not going to start until Sept. 2009, I figured to get the X3 this Fall rather than to get the first MY2010 X3 off the line in SC in Fall 2009. But if your suspicion is correct and they will launch the next gen X3 in Spring 2009, then I would consider delaying my purchase one year (Fall 2009) to get an updated vehicle that has had the opportunity to get the bugs worked out from production start up.

Don't know whether to thank you or curse you for the info you supplied....:D

Hopefully we'll be able to get some reliable info on this but as we all know, BMW likes to keep this sort of information close to the vest so the current X3 doesn't become a lame duck before it's time. OTOH, perhaps we would be offered some deep discounts on the current X3.:thumbup: (not likely though)

Coffeeman
02-04-2008, 07:43 AM
Not sure if I'd want a first year production vehicle....

iversonm
02-04-2008, 07:50 AM
Not sure if I'd want a first year production vehicle....

MY2010 production typically starts around August '09, so a spring launch is not that different from the anticipated plan.

STE92VE
02-04-2008, 07:50 AM
Not sure if I'd want a first year production vehicle....

That's what I thought but BMW constantly makes changes during production so waiting until the 2nd year is not as critical. I just don't want the first ones off the new line. My E92 was a 1st year production vehicle but was mfg in the middle of the production year and I am totally happy with it.

Andrew*Debbie
02-04-2008, 08:24 AM
nevermind

Andrew*Debbie
02-04-2008, 08:35 AM
MY2010 production typically starts around August '09, so a spring launch is not that different from the anticipated plan.


The date does make a difference to us.

Our current X3 comes off lease in September 2009. If production starts August '09 we can take European Delivery on another X3.

STE92VE
02-04-2008, 09:12 AM
The date does make a difference to us.

Our current X3 comes off lease in September 2009. If production starts August '09 we can take European Delivery on another X3.

This might help you Andrew....

The new X3 will be offered for sale to the general public in Fall 2009. You can forget about ED because it will be manufactured in SC. You will be able to do PCD though.

Andrew*Debbie
02-04-2008, 10:07 AM
This might help you Andrew....

The new X3 will be offered for sale to the general public in Fall 2009. You can forget about ED because it will be manufactured in SC. You will be able to do PCD though.

Is Fall 2009 official or a rumor? I've seen rumors it would be earlier. Until today I hadn't given them any weight. Now that I know the factory is preparing to build the car, I'm not so sure.



If production starts in August, we should be able take Munich delivery in September.

Our current X3 was built in July 2007 and we picked it up in Munich the last week of September.


Our MX-5 comes off lease July '08... ... ....

STE92VE
02-04-2008, 10:13 AM
If production starts in August, we should be able take Munich delivery in September.


Our current X3 was built in July 2007 and we picked it up in Munich the last week of September.

You missed a very important piece of information
You can forget about ED because it will be manufactured in SC. You will be able to do PCD though.


....your current X3 was made in Austria. The new X3 will be produced in South Carolina, USA

BMW will not ship your new X3 over to Munich for you to take ED and then ship it back to the USA for redelivery.

Unless I'm overlooking the fact that you want to buy another E83 in it's current form....in that case you could do ED, but it would be for a MY2009 X3 not a MY2010.

Andrew*Debbie
02-04-2008, 10:17 AM
You missed a very important piece of information



....your current X3 was made in Austria. The new X3 will be produced in South Carolina, USA

BMW will not ship your new X3 over to Munich for you to take ED and then ship it back to the USA for redelivery.




We want another e83. If Magna Styer is still building e83s in July 2009, we can do Munich pickup in September 2009.

However, if the cutover is earlier, I need to make new plans. Possibly we will replace the MX-5 with another e83. If we end up living somewhere that gets 30+ inches of a snow a year, it may not be a bad idea.

I was going to replace the MX-5 with a 128i convertible, but there isn't going to be any ED allocation this year.

STE92VE
02-04-2008, 10:24 AM
We want another e83. If they are still building e83s in July 2009, we can do Munich pickup in September 2009.

However, if the cutover is going to be earlier, I need to make new plans.

My apologies...I edited my post to include that scenario at the same time you were responding to it.....:D

I would suggest you contact your CA or even BMW directly when MY2009 vehicles start production and maybe they can give you an idea of the length of the production calendar. Seems like we're both trying to time production to fit our needs.

kjboyd
02-04-2008, 10:56 AM
It seems unlikely BMW would stray from a 7-year model run at this point, meaning the next X3 would be a 2011 model year, but stranger things have happened... (like bad 6sp Autos!)

doubledeclutch
02-04-2008, 11:09 AM
BMW has a contract with Magna to build X3's into 2010. The new X3 will be a MY2011. Do you think Magna would just let BMW break their contract when the X3 is such a big part of their manufacturing? Haha, yea right.

Andrew*Debbie
02-04-2008, 11:15 AM
BMW has a contract with Magna to build X3's into 2010. The new X3 will be a MY2011.


Do you have a link to a source for this?

STE92VE
02-04-2008, 11:19 AM
Do you have a link to a source for this?

+1

STE92VE
02-04-2008, 12:19 PM
BMW has a contract with Magna to build X3's into 2010. The new X3 will be a MY2011. Do you think Magna would just let BMW break their contract when the X3 is such a big part of their manufacturing? Haha, yea right.

Were you referring to this?
http://www.caranddriver.com/carnews/13011/future-bmw-x3-made-in-the-usa.html
where it states "BMW AG has made it official: It will build the next generation of the X3 SUV in-house, at its plant in Spartanburg, South Carolina, when its current contract runs out in 20102011."
or this?
http://www.reuters.com/article/companyNewsAndPR/idUSN1616447020070516
where it states "Magna said the timing of the shift in production of the next generation X3 is at the discretion of BMW but it expects the move to take place in 2010."

Seems like there's a big difference between "contract" & "discretion"....:dunno:

STE92VE
02-04-2008, 12:27 PM
Here's some more wood on the fire:
http://www.autonews24h.com/Auto-Industry/BMW/2175.html
"The company's next-generation vehicle, the X3, will start being built in Spartanburg in 2010, he said."

Is everyones head spinning yet? :rofl:

LMC
02-05-2008, 09:52 AM
Yes. And given the sloppiness that people use in referring to calendar or model years with vehicles, I don't think any of these can be taken to the bank.

So -- possible scenarios include start of production as early as fall 2009 or as late as perhaps two years later. BMW might also choose to end production in Austria six months before beginning production in the USA. Although it also seems that the X3 is turning into the kind of seller that they would prefer to avoid gaps in availability, particularly with Mercedes coming to market with their competitor.

Yes, my head is spinning, thank you! I'm considering giving up and getting one now...


Here's some more wood on the fire:
"The company's next-generation vehicle, the X3, will start being built in Spartanburg in 2010, he said."

Is everyones head spinning yet? :rofl:

Brandon01
02-05-2008, 10:01 AM
Production for a model year begins the calendar year before, usually around Oct. So this all makes sense - the new X3 will be MY 2011 (7 years from the E83), with production (i.e. cars rolling off the line) starting in SC around Oct 2010.

Factor in the time it takes to build a new assembly line, and I'm sure there will be talk of "work" starting in SC earlier in 2010 or even 2009.

STE92VE
02-05-2008, 11:58 AM
Factor in the time it takes to build a new assembly line, and I'm sure there will be talk of "work" starting in SC earlier in 2010 or even 2009.

BMW retrofitted the entire plant from 2 assembly lines to one. http://www.ipnews.com/archives/applying_tech/dec07/siemens.htm
This allows them the flexibility when they add additional models to the production line.

Andrew*Debbie
02-05-2008, 12:12 PM
Production for a model year begins the calendar year before, usually around Oct.


That isn't how the most recent models are working out.


M3 SOP (Start of Production) Dec '07 Launch Date 3/08/08

128i and 135i SOP Dec '07 Launch Date 3/22/08

X6 3.0 SOP Jan '07 Launch Date 4/19/08

3 series face lift SOP is 9/08. Launch is October 2008?

F01 7 series SOP 11/1/2008 Launch Early 2009


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Right now the X5, X6 and Z4 are all built on the same line in South Carolina. Presumably the new X3 will be built on the same line as the X5 and X6.

Z4 production is moving to Austria when the new X3 comes to South Carolina.

jcarlilesiu
02-05-2008, 02:56 PM
Not sure if I'd want a first year production vehicle....


I have a first year production of a brand new model, 04 X3... and really couldn't be happier.

LMC
02-05-2008, 09:36 PM
So this all makes sense - the new X3 will be MY 2011 (7 years from the E83), with production (i.e. cars rolling off the line) starting in SC around Oct 2010.

While Andrew*Debbie's point about exceptions is well-taken, I agree that this is the most likely scenario, give or take a half year or so.

doubledeclutch
02-05-2008, 10:18 PM
Production for a model year begins the calendar year before, usually around Oct. So this all makes sense - the new X3 will be MY 2011 (7 years from the E83), with production (i.e. cars rolling off the line) starting in SC around Oct 2010.

Factor in the time it takes to build a new assembly line, and I'm sure there will be talk of "work" starting in SC earlier in 2010 or even 2009.


Eaxactly. I mean, this can come down to common sense if you think about it. An X3 competitor from Audi hasn't even been revealed yet, and Mercedes is still calling their "GLK" a concept. No matter how old we feel the current X3 is, real competition doesn't exist yet. The RDX and LR3 are good cars, but don't offer the complete package that the X3 does. :thumbup: