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Major2829
03-24-2008, 12:28 PM
I'm putting this in OT since nobody is responding to my post in the tire section and I need to get this taken care of.
I have 17,500 miles on my 2007 328i. I purchased the car in 2/07; the car came with the Touranza RFTs.
My back tires are bald. Needless to say I am very unhappy. At this rate I will be purchasing a set of tires a year!
Do I go back to BMW to get another set? Should I get a different brand with someone other than BMW and if so what kind?
MMMM_ERT
03-24-2008, 12:48 PM
Hell...I go through a set of tires every year...always have. Z rated tires are a bitch on wear. :D
You can go with a different/harder tread which will wear longer...but ride/handling will suffer. I personaly would not do this...I love my Bimmers for their handling. ;)
You can get good Z rated tires that are less than those Touranzas.... Yokohamas, Sumitomos. Check out Tirerack for comparisions.
DO NOT BUY YOUR TIRES FROM BMW...you will pay through the nose.
B-Pecan
03-24-2008, 01:05 PM
Do you have SP? I have a set of Contis and 19K miles and 2 1/2 years later my tires still have plenty of thread left. I'm getting the exact same tires once the thread runs out on my current ones.
Fast Bob
03-24-2008, 01:20 PM
Personally, I`d bag the runflats (they ALL blow) and get some *real* tires....given your location, "summer tires" are sufficient, weather-wise, and will give your chariot really nice handling characteristics. Don`t you DARE buy tires from any BMW dealer....go to the Tire Rack (a `fest sponsor) and talk to Gary or one of the other CS folks there....they`ll steer you in the right direction. Good luck!
Regards,
Bob
Major2829
03-24-2008, 01:22 PM
Do you have SP? I have a set of Contis and 19K miles and 2 1/2 years later my tires still have plenty of thread left. I'm getting the exact same tires once the thread runs out on my current ones.
No. Just the basic.
Kzang
03-24-2008, 01:27 PM
How do you guys go through tires so quickly?
I still have my original tires on my 2007 and the treads are still good for another year or so.
#5880
03-24-2008, 01:28 PM
First,
r u sticking with rft's?
'Cane
03-24-2008, 01:28 PM
That's about the right amount of mileage. Sucks though.
#5880
03-24-2008, 01:30 PM
How do you guys go through tires so quickly?
I still have my original tires on my 2007 and the treads are still good for another year or so.
I go through a set of summer tires each summer
larobj63
03-24-2008, 01:32 PM
How do you guys go through tires so quickly?
I still have my original tires on my 2007 and the treads are still good for another year or so.
Sport suspensions have very aggressive rear camber specs. Plus, some of us have "very aggressive right foot specs". :D
Major2829
03-24-2008, 01:33 PM
They average between 14,000 to 20,000 miles. I spoke with someone at Tire Rac and he gave me prices for Bridgestone Potenzas, Michellans and Continental. I'm not doing the RFTs until I have to turn the car in.
I don't know which ones to pick though. I'm not easy on my tires.
What ratings am I looking for? H-Z?
MMMM_ERT
03-24-2008, 01:34 PM
They average between 14,000 to 20,000 miles. I spoke with someone at Tire Rac and he gave me prices for Bridgestone Potenzas, Michellans and Continental. I'm not doing the RFTs until I have to turn the car in.
I don't know which ones to pick though. I'm not easy on my tires.
What ratings am I looking for? H-Z?
Z definetely.
Why would you have to have RFT tires on the car when you turn it in? Is that specified in the lease terms? :dunno:
Penforhire
03-24-2008, 01:36 PM
20K miles sounds about right for slightly sporty rear tires. Welcome to the world of performance tires. I used to get about 9K miles to bald on the OEM rears of my Z06 and, for real pain, 6K miles on a S2000! Sticky rear rubber doesn't last long.
If you want more tire life go to a non-performance 50K-mile-rated tire. But don't come whining back here when you notice they squeal around corners starting at even lower speeds and your dry pavement stopping distance is noticeably longer.
Salvator
03-24-2008, 01:52 PM
Also, I'd recommend considering having an alignment... We had a 323iT that ran through a set of rear tires in 11K... Asked dealer if if needed an alignment and they said "No"... told us to rotate the tires more frequently... I showed the SM at the time the part in the owners manual where it says not to rotate tires... he was unawares (fortunately, he is also no longer the SM). Anyhow, finally took it to my local tire shop, rear end was all out of whack... alignment was performed and car got about 30 to 35K on tires after that (without rotating). YMMV :thumbup:
Fast Bob
03-24-2008, 02:11 PM
BF Goodrich G-Force series are quite good for the money:
http://tinyurl.com/3ddtwl
#5880
03-24-2008, 02:11 PM
They average between 14,000 to 20,000 miles. I spoke with someone at Tire Rac and he gave me prices for Bridgestone Potenzas, Michellans and Continental. I'm not doing the RFTs until I have to turn the car in.
I don't know which ones to pick though. I'm not easy on my tires.
What ratings am I looking for? H-Z?
Can you put non rfts on a rft rim?
BmW745On19's
03-24-2008, 02:14 PM
I got 50k miles on Michelin Pilot Sports once.
RFTs suck, they have poor ride quality, poor tread wear, and poor pricing. Get some real tires. Go with some Contis or Michelins.
I'd actually recommend the Kumho Esctas. They are cheap, and very highly rated. Kumhos are great tires for the money.
Don't get all seasons, they suck with handling and treadwear as well, plus they are expensive.
What size are your wheels?
'Cane
03-24-2008, 03:32 PM
Z definetely.
Why would you have to have RFT tires on the car when you turn it in? Is that specified in the lease terms? :dunno:
Yes.
MMMM_ERT
03-24-2008, 03:50 PM
Yes.
That SUCKS. One more reason I'd never lease a car.
BmW745On19's
03-24-2008, 04:13 PM
Keep the RFTs and put them back on at lease turn in?
dadtorbn
03-24-2008, 05:23 PM
They average between 14,000 to 20,000 miles. I spoke with someone at Tire Rac and he gave me prices for Bridgestone Potenzas, Michellans and Continental. I'm not doing the RFTs until I have to turn the car in.
I don't know which ones to pick though. I'm not easy on my tires.
What ratings am I looking for? H-Z?
I replaced my Bridgestone SO2's with Michelin PS2's. The performance is similar but my tread wear seems to be quite a bit better. With My S02's I was getting less than 20k miles.:eek:
Costco sells them too!:thumbup:
Major2829
03-24-2008, 06:05 PM
My boss keeps lecturing me. "The car was designed to be used at peak performance with the brand of tires that came with it to begin with." "For an extra few hundred dollars you can make sure that it is done right."
And so on and so on.
Griffoun
03-24-2008, 06:25 PM
I didn't replace my OEM 16" Michillen until 2 years ago... used it for 6 yrs and 35K, still plenty of thread left, except the wall started to crack.
I'm on Turanza now and added 10K to it... I expect them to go another 3-4 years.
Wanna trade the whole set of wheels? ;)
hockeynut
03-24-2008, 06:35 PM
My boss keeps lecturing me. "The car was designed to be used at peak performance with the brand of tires that came with it to begin with." "For an extra few hundred dollars you can make sure that it is done right."
And so on and so on.
Don't scrimp on tires. BMWs aren't cheap to keep on the road, and the cost of tires is part of that.
They were designed with handling and SAFETY in mind, and putting on crap tires will compromise both of those.
Now you don't need the same brand, but the same size and "class" of tire - meaning if you had Z-rated summer tires, stick with Z-rated summer tires, and don't get H-rated all seasons.
TireRack.com will tell you the tires that go with your vehicle. If you have a good independent shop nearby (check bimrs.org) then maybe they accept drop-ships from TireRack and then install for ya. That's the best way to go.
PS - mine is still on original tires after 20k miles (4 years though). Its just about time for me to take my own advice :D
Calliope
03-24-2008, 06:42 PM
I had the Michelin Pilots on my Jetta, they lasted about 22K for a 25K tire not bad, we put Pirrelis on it 80K tires, the were considered performance tires, I don't remember the rating tho, it didn't seem to affect the handling really but the Jetta isn't known for high performance like the BMW (tho it was a nice zippy car and really hugged the road)
Rugged Racer
03-24-2008, 06:43 PM
I go through a set of summer tires each summer
whats your 20???
hockeynut
03-24-2008, 06:49 PM
I had the Michelin Pilots on my Jetta, they lasted about 22K for a 25K tire not bad, we put Pirrelis on it 80K tires, the were considered performance tires, I don't remember the rating tho, it didn't seem to affect the handling really but the Jetta isn't known for high performance like the BMW (tho it was a nice zippy car and really hugged the road)
No performance tires will last 80k unless they are in the trunk! :D
Fast Bob
03-24-2008, 07:24 PM
Sorry kids, with performance tires, there`s no free lunch....truth of the matter is, the best handling tires *all* have pretty low "wear factor" ratings (found on the sidewall of every tire). They`re basically big, round, Art-Gum erasers that grip like Godzilla, but wear out in 25,000 miles or so....high wear-factor numbers are the domain of crappy, evil-handling tires that no one here should even consider....
Major2829
03-24-2008, 07:27 PM
Is there any benefit to having BMW install the tires as opposed to buying the same model somewhere else?
Fast Bob
03-24-2008, 07:36 PM
Is there any benefit to having BMW install the tires as opposed to buying the same model somewhere else?
Absolutely....the "benefit" goes directly into the dealer`s pocket..*****ing from a place like the Tire Rack will save you *at least* a hundred bucks a tire compared to the dealer....
Major2829
03-24-2008, 08:26 PM
Except on Tire Rack they are back ordered and it is unknown when they will receive more!
Frustrating because I need them ASAP.
Fast Bob
03-24-2008, 08:46 PM
Except on Tire Rack they are back ordered and it is unknown when they will receive more!
Frustrating because I need them ASAP.
Exactly what are you looking for? There are several other discount tire places....
'Cane
03-24-2008, 09:04 PM
Except on Tire Rack they are back ordered and it is unknown when they will receive more!
Frustrating because I need them ASAP.
It's going to cost you a couple hundred more to have it done at the dealer. Try Tire Kingdom (or my cousin swears by Family Tire in Hollywood).
This is practically heresy, but if you're not a spirited driver, you'd probably be perfectly happy, or happier, with a set of good performance all-seasons with decent treadwear ratings.
A set of GoodYear F1 performance all-seasons would probably suit you fine, handle decently, ride more comfortably, cost less, and last you much longer than any of the high-performance tires being recommended.
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Goodyear&tireModel=Eagle+F1+All+Season&vehicleSearch=true&partnum=245YR7F1AS&fromCompare1=yes&place=6&speed_rating=H&speed_rating=V&speed_rating=Z&speed_rating=W&speed_rating=Y&speed_rating=(Y)&minSpeedRating=H
(runs away dodging projectiles)
Calliope
03-24-2008, 09:28 PM
No performance tires will last 80k unless they are in the trunk! :D
No they were like 80K tires LOL but they were Pirellis (I think they were the P3000E) :), they were still a performance tire not sure how long they would have lasted, got rid of the car 17K later :)
The whole tire argument amuses the hell out of me. The truth of the matter is that if a set of Michelin Pilot Sport (or PS2) is lasting you 20k+ miles, you're not coming anywhere near the performance/grip potential of the tires and you're wasting your money.
I'm with Plaz. If you're going to drive your car like a sane, cautious driver, there's no reason to blow your wad on a set of Michelins that cost $250 each. There are PLENTY of other tires out there that provide adequate grip, excellent ride and last far longer than a stock tire.
For the more...ahem...sporting driver, there are options that provide equal (or better) grip and won't break the bank as well.
Don't get caught in the trap where you *have* to buy a tire because a bunch of people on a forum provide you with compelling, yet unsubstantiated (with empirical evidence) arguments.
Your best bet? Determine what you WANT and NEED from your tires, and go find the most suitable set for those needs.
MMMM_ERT
03-24-2008, 10:09 PM
Is there any benefit to having BMW install the tires as opposed to buying the same model somewhere else?
Good grief...surely you know the answer to this. The dealer is going to stick it to you.
...and no offense...but your boss is a dumb@ss. There are better tires than what came OEM.
Just buy a good set of Z rated tires from a reputable tire store...most of them will match Tireracks prices.
LuvThatSam
03-24-2008, 10:54 PM
This is practically heresy, but if you're not a spirited driver, you'd probably be perfectly happy, or happier, with a set of good performance all-seasons with decent treadwear ratings.
A set of GoodYear F1 performance all-seasons would probably suit you fine, handle decently, ride more comfortably, cost less, and last you much longer than any of the high-performance tires being recommended.
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Goodyear&tireModel=Eagle+F1+All+Season&vehicleSearch=true&partnum=245YR7F1AS&fromCompare1=yes&place=6&speed_rating=H&speed_rating=V&speed_rating=Z&speed_rating=W&speed_rating=Y&speed_rating=(Y)&minSpeedRating=H
(runs away dodging projectiles)
The whole tire argument amuses the hell out of me. The truth of the matter is that if a set of Michelin Pilot Sport (or PS2) is lasting you 20k+ miles, you're not coming anywhere near the performance/grip potential of the tires and you're wasting your money.
I'm with Plaz. If you're going to drive your car like a sane, cautious driver, there's no reason to blow your wad on a set of Michelins that cost $250 each. There are PLENTY of other tires out there that provide adequate grip, excellent ride and last far longer than a stock tire.
For the more...ahem...sporting driver, there are options that provide equal (or better) grip and won't break the bank as well.
Don't get caught in the trap where you *have* to buy a tire because a bunch of people on a forum provide you with compelling, yet unsubstantiated (with empirical evidence) arguments.
Your best bet? Determine what you WANT and NEED from your tires, and go find the most suitable set for those needs.
Great advice.:thumbup:
paulg
03-24-2008, 11:12 PM
I'm putting this in OT since nobody is responding to my post in the tire section and I need to get this taken care of.
I have 17,500 miles on my 2007 328i. I purchased the car in 2/07; the car came with the Touranza RFTs.
My back tires are bald. Needless to say I am very unhappy. At this rate I will be purchasing a set of tires a year!
Do I go back to BMW to get another set? Should I get a different brand with someone other than BMW and if so what kind?
I suggest a combover.
Major2829
03-25-2008, 05:01 AM
Family Tire! Yes, Cane, go there too!
I am a very "spirited" driver. I shift, floor it, and everything else.
I live in Florida and don't need summer or snow tires. That is about it.
Yes my boss is a dumb ass.
One more question. Do I have to get 4 tires if I only need 2?
'Cane
03-25-2008, 06:22 AM
One more question. Do I have to get 4 tires if I only need 2?
No. Don't replace the fronts unless you have to.
No. Don't replace the fronts unless you have to.
Well, I'd agree, but only if the tires are the same as the fronts. If switching to a different tire, I'd replace all four. Mis-matched tires is a no-no.
'Cane
03-25-2008, 07:10 AM
Well, I'd agree, but only if the tires are the same as the fronts. If switching to a different tire, I'd replace all four. Mis-matched tires is a no-no.
Good point. I'd agree with that.
Salvator
03-25-2008, 07:29 AM
One more question. Do I have to get 4 tires if I only need 2?
IIRC, you said this was a lease... Keep the two fronts, stash them somewhere and have them reinstalled when you return the car, put new ones on the rear (matching the fronts) prior to return... That way you'll only have to buy 2 at that time...
(This is assuming they require you to return the car with "like" tires upon return... otherwise you could slap a set of whatever is on sale at Costco on it and return it... :dunno: )
Family Tire! Yes, Cane, go there too!
I am a very "spirited" driver. I shift, floor it, and everything else.
I live in Florida and don't need summer or snow tires. That is about it.
Yes my boss is a dumb ass.
One more question. Do I have to get 4 tires if I only need 2?
Then don't have lots of leeway to complain about your tires only lasting 17,000 miles, especially when the wear ratings is 140 (or 160). :)
Calliope
03-25-2008, 08:45 AM
When we had our BST tires replaced due to the recall they had 20K on them, I think they would have made it to 25 based on the treadwear... and my SO drives aggressive.. me I am an :angel: when I drive :eek:
paulg
03-25-2008, 09:50 AM
I'm commuting 80 miles RT 5 times a week - that's 20k miles in a year just to get to work.
I drive through 3 significant speed traps and have consigned myself to driving 65. :mad:
Any suggestions for a quiet decent wearing tire given those driving styles?
Will dropping from a Z tire affect braking ability or other safety considerations?
Zheeeem
03-25-2008, 11:05 AM
I'm putting this in OT since nobody is responding to my post in the tire section and I need to get this taken care of.
I have 17,500 miles on my 2007 328i. I purchased the car in 2/07; the car came with the Touranza RFTs.
My back tires are bald. Needless to say I am very unhappy. At this rate I will be purchasing a set of tires a year!
Do I go back to BMW to get another set? Should I get a different brand with someone other than BMW and if so what kind?
You might call Gary at Tire Rack and get his views.
Tire life seems to be a balance between tire quality and how you drive. Generally, aggressive drivers will have more fun (and be safer) with stickier tires. The combination tends to make for shorter tire life. (My wife used to regularly run through tires in 8-10K miles!) My 325 came with some Conti touring tires of some sort, which lasted 25,000 miles. Not that great a tire, but good tire life. So I think 17,000 miles on a pair of tires by an agressive driver is pretty good.
I would suggest getting a tire that matches your driving style, and not worrying too much about tire life (unless there is an alignment problem or something causing excess wear). Thre's a section on Tire Rack with user ratings, which is pretty helpful.
Unless you like the touranzas and want to eke the last few miles out of the fronts, Id recommend replacing all 4. As others have said, don't drive on mismatched tires.
You can save lots of money by not buying tires at BMW. I found that it was almost double the price, compared to Tire Rack.
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