Projector39 Forum Only Special - $429 shipped with 35W HID

[umnitza]

Open to the first 10 people and after that it's done.

You must call in to get this deal. Shipping will be delivered by Friday next week. All items in stock, shipping commences immediately on Tuesday next week.

No wait til next month to get them.
No wait, we didn't built it right sorry about that.

This is the real deal. In stock.

[mic0ne23]

dang to bad im going to hawaii or id hop on thoes

[umnitza]

Shoot, should have also mentioned, tax is applicable in CA.
Also, shipping is $20 more to Can and Mex, $30 more for International beyond CAN and Mex

[bimmerd00d]

If i didn't already have the oem xenons, and i wasn't heading to chicago next month i'd jump on this. How much more for 50/55w HID?

[NNY528i]

you list 2 diefferent projector 39s a hella style and something different. Could you link to the actual one that is being offered.

[umnitza]

The original Projector39 unit, not the Hella type.
The Hella type would require an adapter to work with a 97-00 car, but it's not much more for the adapter.

[umnitza]

If i didn't already have the oem xenons, and i wasn't heading to chicago next month i'd jump on this. How much more for 50/55w HID?

$60 more for the Prolumen 50W kit.

[NNY528i]

$60 more for the Prolumen 50W kit.

Would the Prolumens give a Low beam out error on a 97 with the low cluster?

[umnitza]

The 50W would.
But we have a different kit that guarantees no error, it's not included on this, it's $15 more.

[chivas]

slim kits or the bulky monsters?

are these P39's better then the replacement one i have a year ago?

[Richie13]

e-mail sent

[Jason5driver]

Is there a difference between DDM's:
http://www.ddmtuning.com/deprwihidand.html

Or Umnitza's???

[umnitza]

slim kits or the bulky monsters?
are these P39's better then the replacement one i have a year ago?
They are the same.

e-mail sent
Sorry for not remembering where you were on the email just replied. Got it.

Is there a difference between

Or Umnitza's???

The lights are the same from the same factory. They are identical.
The differences are as follows when we get them and work with them:
1) Higher quality CCFL or high output Orion LED
2) Better craftsmanship for the installation of the higher output angel eyes.
3) In stock and better support (we've installed more lights than most people have even sold)
4) All the necessary parts are included (again, since we've done the install, we know what works and what is required)
5) Our ability to DELIVER the product in a timely manner
6) Our knowledge of the E39 electronics and which ballasts for HID do not cause errors.

Other than that, everything is "equal":rofl:

[bimmerd00d]

They are the same.


Sorry for not remembering where you were on the email just replied. Got it.



The lights are the same from the same factory. They are identical.
The differences are as follows when we get them and work with them:
1) Higher quality CCFL or high output Orion LED
2) Better craftsmanship for the installation of the higher output angel eyes.
3) In stock and better support (we've installed more lights than most people have even sold)
4) All the necessary parts are included (again, since we've done the install, we know what works and what is required)
5) Our ability to DELIVER the product in a timely manner
6) Our knowledge of the E39 electronics and which ballasts for HID do not cause errors.

Other than that, everything is "equal":rofl:

So these Orions won't eat my LCM? :D

[umnitza]

Orion are angel eyes, so no, they will not work with your LCM at all.

[bimmerd00d]

Orion are angel eyes, so no, they will not work with your LCM at all.

well, when they are wired to the parking lights, they do interface with the LCM indirectly.

[Jason5driver]

They are the same.


Sorry for not remembering where you were on the email just replied. Got it.



The lights are the same from the same factory. They are identical.
The differences are as follows when we get them and work with them:
1) Higher quality CCFL or high output Orion LED
2) Better craftsmanship for the installation of the higher output angel eyes.
3) In stock and better support (we've installed more lights than most people have even sold)
4) All the necessary parts are included (again, since we've done the install, we know what works and what is required)
5) Our ability to DELIVER the product in a timely manner
6) Our knowledge of the E39 electronics and which ballasts for HID do not cause errors.

Other than that, everything is "equal":rofl:

Ok, so which AE's are better/ do you recommend?
The CCFL's, or the LED bulbs?

Aren't all CCFL's the same, since it is the same manufacturer that produces them?
How are your CCFL's better???

[kaptom540]

can we see a picture of the Orion?

[chivas]

They are the same.


Sorry for not remembering where you were on the email just replied. Got it.



The lights are the same from the same factory. They are identical.
The differences are as follows when we get them and work with them:
1) Higher quality CCFL or high output Orion LED
2) Better craftsmanship for the installation of the higher output angel eyes.
3) In stock and better support (we've installed more lights than most people have even sold)
4) All the necessary parts are included (again, since we've done the install, we know what works and what is required)
5) Our ability to DELIVER the product in a timely manner
6) Our knowledge of the E39 electronics and which ballasts for HID do not cause errors.

Other than that, everything is "equal":rofl:
i don't think i have the Orion rings dude. :( got the older ones.

[Jason5driver]

i don't think i have the Orion rings dude. :( got the older ones.

What's so special about the "Orion" LED bulbs?

[Alexbenz]

you should post pics of what your selling:thumbup:

[umnitza]

well, when they are wired to the parking lights, they do interface with the LCM indirectly.
They receive a signal, they do not send one back. Meaning, they receive power through the wire, but they do not send any feedback in return.

Ok, so which AE's are better/ do you recommend?
The CCFL's, or the LED bulbs?

Aren't all CCFL's the same, since it is the same manufacturer that produces them?
How are your CCFL's better???
That's up to you and where you live.
The LED will never have cold issues, but they are "dotted" and a little different.

CCFL based kits are more uniform and the ring colors can be more easily determined.
CCFL have 300+ different companies making them. We just simply found the best one after many years of searching and testing various ones.

can we see a picture of the Orion?
Kap, the covers are bad, but the headlights are fine.
So let's get your headlights swap on Tuesday ok?

http://www.umnitza.com/albums/P39orion/p39orion.sized.jpg
http://www.umnitza.com/albums/P39orion/p39orion2.sized.jpg


i don't think i have the Orion rings dude. :( got the older ones.
yes, Orion was not available then.

What's so special about the "Orion" LED bulbs?
Never burn out. Pretty much it. It gets rid of the ballast completely.

you should post pics of what your selling:thumbup:

Above.

[Orxan4ik]

orions look ghey, ccfls are much cleaner lookin

[Vadim540i]

If i didn't already have the oem xenons, and i wasn't heading to chicago next month i'd jump on this. How much more for 50/55w HID?

Hey do you use 55W? Do you see huge improvement? Also 55W is more energy consuming right, will it be ok for the alternator?

[Jason5driver]

orions look ghey, ccfls are much cleaner lookin

Thanks!

What's your opinion on the DDM Depo's?

[PJB.]

Thanks!

What's your opinion on the DDM Depo's?

Personally Jason, here's my take:

Orions - new style, new technology. They look good, and I'm not going to tell anyone whether or not to run them on their car because any cosmetic decision should be subject to the owner's taste. However, when something cosmetic is new it looks cool, but later on, that wow factor can fade and the uniqueness of it can really make it stand out and look dated. Remember Iverson rims that kept spinning when the vehicle was stopped? Those were cool like 3 years ago, but if you see that stuff now it just looks old and tacky. CCFLs have been around for a while and people still like them, just realize that the same might not happen for Orion angel eyes.

DEPO - I know you want to get off of your halogens and into xenons, but there are some clear cut cases when DEPO lights are better than OEM Hella, and there are some clear cut cases where OEM Hellas are better than DEPOs. Unfortunately, there are a lot of cases that sit in the gray area in between. For example, I feel that going from 1996-2000 OEM Hella non-angel eye, non-HID halogens to DEPO angel eyes with HID, CCFL angel eyes and clear corners will give you much better light output and updated cosmetics. Conversely, going from OEM Hella xenon angel eyes to either kind of DEPO angel eyes - HID or not (just to get clear corners, for example), is going backwards because in those cases OEM Hella projectors will literally and figuratively outshine DEPO projectors because the light output is so much better. Forgetting about cosmetics, from a quality standpoint I think some people would agree with me.

Unfortunately, your case falls in that gray area. Do you stick with Hella amber halogens or do you go with DEPO + HID, CCFL angel eyes and clear corners? From a quality standpoint I think you should stick with the OEM Hella halogens. DEPOs with HID are just halogen lights with a non-standard HID kit fitted in. If you're going to fit an HID kit where it wasn't designed to go, you might as well do it on Hellas as opposed to DEPOs. Either light was designed to project halogen light, not HID light, so you're not going to have optimum output. But generally Hella has better quality so in that case you would the doing the wrong thing, the right way.

Now clear corners and CCFL angel eyes, on the other hand, those fall into the cosmetic category, so again, it would be up to the individual to decide if it's worth it to take a slight step down in quality as a trade-off for updated looks.

[umnitza]

Personally Jason, here's my take:

Orions - new style, new technology. They look good, and I'm not going to tell anyone whether or not to run them on their car because any cosmetic decision should be subject to the owner's taste. However, when something cosmetic is new it looks cool, but later on, that wow factor can fade and the uniqueness of it can really make it stand out and look dated. Remember Iverson rims that kept spinning when the vehicle was stopped? Those were cool like 3 years ago, but if you see that stuff now it just looks old and tacky. CCFLs have been around for a while and people still like them, just realize that the same might not happen for Orion angel eyes.

Interesting take but doesn't take into the account V2 Orion that are slated for release later next month that are LED but "full" ring type. Also, you'll note that Audi/VW, Porsche, Lexus, and even Aston Martin are using LED "beaded" lights to enhance their aesthetics, these designers usually have to look 4-8 years out, so this "trend" will continue for the foreseeable future.

DEPO - I know you want to get off of your halogens and into xenons, but there are some clear cut cases when DEPO lights are better than OEM Hella, and there are some clear cut cases where OEM Hellas are better than DEPOs. Unfortunately, there are a lot of cases that sit in the gray area in between. For example, I feel that going from 1996-2000 OEM Hella non-angel eye, non-HID halogens to DEPO angel eyes with HID, CCFL angel eyes and clear corners will give you much better light output and updated cosmetics.

I agree completely. But you have to factor in price as well. They are significantly less expensive than the Hella (especially due to the Euro).

Conversely, going from OEM Hella xenon angel eyes to either kind of DEPO angel eyes - HID or not (just to get clear corners, for example), is going backwards because in those cases OEM Hella projectors will literally and figuratively outshine DEPO projectors because the light output is so much better.

If you have seen them side by side (this coming from someone that has both Euro Hella on his M5 and US Hella Xenon on the 540 sport, and having compared P39s with our 50W kit) you wouldn't say the difference was that dramatic, especially not for the price difference. The MAIN issues for people that have the Hella already is that it's usually on 2001+ cars and that retrofitting BACKWARDS is frustrating due to the connectors and wiring

Forgetting about cosmetics, from a quality standpoint I think some people would agree with me.

Quality of workmanship on both products has strong and weak points.
The mount points inside the Hella headlights are weak.
The plastics on DEPO is not as strong as the Hella.
the wiring quality of the Hella is better.
the DEPO with our CCFL is brighter angel eyes (better value).

Unfortunately, your case falls in that gray area. Do you stick with Hella amber halogens or do you go with DEPO + HID, CCFL angel eyes and clear corners? From a quality standpoint I think you should stick with the OEM Hella halogens. DEPOs with HID are just halogen lights with a non-standard HID kit fitted in.

That's lumping all products together the same way. That's also like saying a 528i is the same as a 530i, they aren't. MY97-2000 hella optics were not that great, actually pretty piss poor even with Xenons, they glare horribly and have no distinct cut off. This is not accurately stated.

If you're going to fit an HID kit where it wasn't designed to go, you might as well do it on Hellas as opposed to DEPOs.

ONLY if you have Euro or US non-Xenon headlights from Hella, otherwise, there is no point in doing this as the Hella - US or Euro - will have Xenon in them.

Either light was designed to project halogen light, not HID light, so you're not going to have optimum output. But generally Hella has better quality so in that case you would the doing the wrong thing, the right way.

I have always disagreed with this. While the cut off pattern on OE Xenon lights designed for D2S bulbs is different ever so slightly, that difference is neglible. Just look at the P39s photos we have on our site and the output photos of Brandon's car to see how nice they are. We'd be happy to get an OE car and P39 car at night and compare to showcase the differences.

Now clear corners and CCFL angel eyes, on the other hand, those fall into the cosmetic category, so again, it would be up to the individual to decide if it's worth it to take a slight step down in quality as a trade-off for updated looks.

Clear corners have 2 benefits: they allow turn signal bulbs to be more visible (IMO) depending on whether they are amber or white during night driving & they are aesthetically more customizable.

CCFL can and are usable as DRLs for safety, especially on the DEPO lights which has them every so slight inset under the "canopy" of the hood brim.

That hopefully clears up the discussion a bit more.

[Jason5driver]

Personally Jason, here's my take:

Orions - new style, new technology. They look good, and I'm not going to tell anyone whether or not to run them on their car because any cosmetic decision should be subject to the owner's taste. However, when something cosmetic is new it looks cool, but later on, that wow factor can fade and the uniqueness of it can really make it stand out and look dated. Remember Iverson rims that kept spinning when the vehicle was stopped? Those were cool like 3 years ago, but if you see that stuff now it just looks old and tacky. CCFLs have been around for a while and people still like them, just realize that the same might not happen for Orion angel eyes.

DEPO - I know you want to get off of your halogens and into xenons, but there are some clear cut cases when DEPO lights are better than OEM Hella, and there are some clear cut cases where OEM Hellas are better than DEPOs. Unfortunately, there are a lot of cases that sit in the gray area in between. For example, I feel that going from 1996-2000 OEM Hella non-angel eye, non-HID halogens to DEPO angel eyes with HID, CCFL angel eyes and clear corners will give you much better light output and updated cosmetics. Conversely, going from OEM Hella xenon angel eyes to either kind of DEPO angel eyes - HID or not (just to get clear corners, for example), is going backwards because in those cases OEM Hella projectors will literally and figuratively outshine DEPO projectors because the light output is so much better. Forgetting about cosmetics, from a quality standpoint I think some people would agree with me.

Unfortunately, your case falls in that gray area. Do you stick with Hella amber halogens or do you go with DEPO + HID, CCFL angel eyes and clear corners? From a quality standpoint I think you should stick with the OEM Hella halogens. DEPOs with HID are just halogen lights with a non-standard HID kit fitted in. If you're going to fit an HID kit where it wasn't designed to go, you might as well do it on Hellas as opposed to DEPOs. Either light was designed to project halogen light, not HID light, so you're not going to have optimum output. But generally Hella has better quality so in that case you would the doing the wrong thing, the right way.

Now clear corners and CCFL angel eyes, on the other hand, those fall into the cosmetic category, so again, it would be up to the individual to decide if it's worth it to take a slight step down in quality as a trade-off for updated looks.

Thanks PJB!
As usual, the expert comes through!

You are exactly right on the reason I am looking at the Depo's!
My Hella lenses are pitted and chipped very badly.
But, I still need to polish them up though.

I thought the Depo's have projectors meant for xenon/ HID lights???
Hence, one of the main reasons I am looking...
I want good xenon projectors with great aesthetics.

[umnitza]

I want good xenon projectors with great aesthetics.

Can't overuse this picture enough: P39 with 50W Xenon kit.
http://www.umnitza.com/albums/e39proj/DSC_0201.jpg

[Jason5driver]

Can't overuse this picture enough: P39 with 50W Xenon kit.
http://www.umnitza.com/albums/e39proj/DSC_0201.jpg

Yeps!
I have seen, and examined this many times.

But, are those xenon projectors, meant for D2S bulbs?

[bimmerd00d]

Hey do you use 55W? Do you see huge improvement? Also 55W is more energy consuming right, will it be ok for the alternator?

I just have whatever is the stock on a '00 M5. I believe the 50/55w HID kits still use even less power than a standard halogen light, they should work fine.

[umnitza]

Yeps!
I have seen, and examined this many times.

But, are those xenon projectors, meant for D2S bulbs?
I have a personal experiential bias on this that I stated above:
There are negligible differences between a xenon projector and a high quality halogen projector.

That said, the P39 is not a xenon projector. It is a german projector, not taiwanese or chinese (again to the best of my knowledge and information given to me by DEPO themselves).

I just have whatever is the stock on a '00 M5. I believe the 50/55w HID kits still use even less power than a standard halogen light, they should work fine.
The 50W kits (55W is analog) generally draw the same power as the 55W bulbs. The only main difference is that they generate more light than heat (as is natural for HID bulbs versus halogen).

00 M5s have Xenons that are 35W and the same not so great Hella refractory lens HIDs.

[Fiziks]

Hey do you use 55W? Do you see huge improvement? Also 55W is more energy consuming right, will it be ok for the alternator?

honestly 35w is bright enough. 55w is really really bright.

[umnitza]

Well, for some bright enough isn't;)

[umnitza]

bump:)

[Jason5driver]

I have a personal experiential bias on this that I stated above:
There are negligible differences between a xenon projector and a high quality halogen projector.

That said, the P39 is not a xenon projector. It is a german projector, not taiwanese or chinese (again to the best of my knowledge and information given to me by DEPO themselves).


The 50W kits (55W is analog) generally draw the same power as the 55W bulbs. The only main difference is that they generate more light than heat (as is natural for HID bulbs versus halogen).

00 M5s have Xenons that are 35W and the same not so great Hella refractory lens HIDs.

Ok, so it's a "German" projector, aka halogen projector made in Germany.
It's still a halogen projector.

Do any DDM's, or P39's/ Depo's have XENON projectors?

Is there any aesthetic differences between the DDM's and P39 Depo's?

Pictures of both, side by side?

[E39530i]

Ok so i have a 01 530i with stock xenons on it but they look all faded and nasty. I dont care about how much money so witch are the best lights i can get .Are they the P39 with 50W Xenon kit?I want clear corners by the way. thanks

[umnitza]

your BEST option is the Hella, but we just sold out of our allotment.
If money is not an option, we can pre-order those for you.

However, if you want something right away that gets really close and we can put the 50W kit into it for only a little more than what you see here $429, it would be $450 shipped.

[Alexbenz]

ok theres so much that it's starting to confuse me

i have hella ones with the orange corner piece......now i have stock xenons but i hate the orange part.......

buying the depo ones or the p39's will allow me to swicth my xenons into it? do they have projectors?

[umnitza]

If you want the Projector39s with either Hella type or non-Hella type DEPO, both have clear reflectors AND clear turn signal covers.

As long as your HID are H7, you have no issue swapping.

[Alexbenz]

If you want the Projector39s with either Hella type or non-Hella type DEPO, both have clear reflectors AND clear turn signal covers.

As long as your HID are H7, you have no issue swapping.

well whats the pro and cons? also price?

[chesterrr]

Is this deal still on?

[umnitza]

Is this deal still on?
yes it is

[Jo@EuroDyne]

yes it is

and a great deal as well! :thumbup:

i'd jump on these...but i just got my depos 2 months..

[umnitza]

Thanks Jo.

If I was not fortunate to have the M5 mirrors, I'd be all over the mirrors you sell as well:)

[umnitza]

bump

[energie]

ok theres so much that it's starting to confuse me

i have hella ones with the orange corner piece......now i have stock xenons but i hate the orange part.......

buying the depo ones or the p39's will allow me to swicth my xenons into it? do they have projectors?

I am in the exact same boat as you. I have the factory hellas with factory Xenon. The orange corners on my headlights are cracked and I want to fix it.

Ideally I would like to have the best light output with the least amount of modification needed. So if i can get a set of newer style headlights with clear corners and projectors, I will simply pop out my factory xenons into the new headlights.

Otherwise I would get a new set of DEPO or P39 headlights (already with xenon mounted) and do a swap and sell my original headlights/xenons.

Any suggestions?

[Alexbenz]

I am in the exact same boat as you. I have the factory hellas with factory Xenon. The orange corners on my headlights are cracked and I want to fix it.

Ideally I would like to have the best light output with the least amount of modification needed. So if i can get a set of newer style headlights with clear corners and projectors, I will simply pop out my factory xenons into the new headlights.

Otherwise I would get a new set of DEPO or P39 headlights (already with xenon mounted) and do a swap and sell my original headlights/xenons.

Any suggestions?


from what i've read you can go with this

Hella E39 EURO Projectors with Celis Technology
[HellaOE]

This product was added to our catalog on Tuesday 01 March, 2005.
Item Price
$679.99

[energie]

thanks, but I am not planning to spend that much on headlight replacement

I haven't been able to find anything conclusive, if I already have factory HID on my 97 540i, how complicated is the install if i get one of these DEPOs or apexcone ones from DDM/eurodyne/umnitza?

[umnitza]

They are very easy to swap and plug and play.
We have Xenons that do not cause an error on the dash.

[umnitza]

A bit of an update on the Orion V2:
1) They have a multi-stage clipping system that will allow you to take advantage of all headlight types with universal fit.

2) They have a wide angle array, 170+ degree viewable.

3) They have the highest specific output available for a stable LED of that size.

4) They can be wired as individual sections of the single ring (in halves).

More features will be announced as we install more of them into cars.