I kinda wanna buy a VW .:R32

[Frank Rizzo]

Because of the bad experience with dealer service on our 01 VR6 Jetta I disparaged VW to anyone who will listen and quite frequently on this board. I might need to eat those words.

We got Mrs. Rizzo a New Beetle 'vert (at her insistence) when the lease was up on the Benz, and whilst in the dealer for routine service I spied an .:R32.
Checked it out, returned a few weeks later to drive, drove it again and now I'm infatuated.

To add to the mix, 0% interest for 60 mos. or 2.9% for 72 mos. + $3k in rebates, and the dealer is near invoice makes it even more attractive.

IndyMike likes his and has had no problems.

It would be a daily driver for me.

Just thinking out loud. :eeps:

[Ryan M]

I think they are similar to the MKV, no? If they are, and for what it's worth, my brother recently bought one and absolutely loves it. He had an e34 before it, and loves the VW even more.

[LuvThatSam]

Give it a shot. Can't be worse than the Ranger.:eek:

VW has some awesome lease/buy rates right now. I would say go for it.:D

I love the new Jetta wagon.:thumbup:

[Chris90]

Edmunds says it's only $2000 cash and 0.9% for 36 months, is this a dealer special or something?

I think it's a killer deal at $29k invoice - but I'd consider the GTI as well - and it even comes in manual. :)

[Frank Rizzo]

Edmunds says it's only $2000 cash and 0.9% for 36 months, is this a dealer special or something?

I think it's a killer deal at $29k invoice - but I'd consider the GTI as well - and it even comes in manual. :)

Yeah, Edmunds is way off on the R32. West coasters get an additional $1k rebate on the R32 this month and there is and additional $2k cash back to the dealer if the car is financed thru VWoA, the smart dealers throw it back into the deal. Zero% for up to 60 Mos. and 2.9% for 72 mos...it's like free money.

Makes it pretty tempting.

[Excitmnt94]

its an awesome car! i sold a couple when i was selling both VW's and BMW's...and my customers couldn't be happier. its an excellent machine...and the specials they are putting out may be enough for some to take the plunge they have always wanted to.

[emPoWaH]

Go for it. I fell in love with a Candy White one while waiting for my Passat to be serviced. Great interior - awesome steering wheel, great seats, wonderful build quality - and the VR6 sounds amazing when the flap in the exhaust opens.

[TauronMaikar]

Because of the bad experience with dealer service on our 01 VR6 Jetta I disparaged VW to anyone who will listen and quite frequently on this board. I might need to eat those words.

We got Mrs. Rizzo a New Beetle 'vert (at her insistence) when the lease was up on the Benz, and whilst in the dealer for routine service I spied an .:R32.
Checked it out, returned a few weeks later to drive, drove it again and now I'm infatuated.

To add to the mix, 0% interest for 60 mos. or 2.9% for 72 mos. + $3k in rebates, and the dealer is near invoice makes it even more attractive.

IndyMike likes his and has had no problems.

It would be a daily driver for me.

Just thinking out loud. :eeps:

A friend of mine has the R32 and he says it is the love of his life. He will never sell it.

[hts]

After reading this thread, decided to stop by my local VW stealer this afternoon on the way back from the Air and Space. He claimed it was 1.9 on the R32 and no cash back.

Is the R32 really *that* much better than the GTI? I get the engine, brakes, AWD, but the GTI can be had with 4 doors (my preference) and a 6-speed manual (the R32 is DSG only).

[TauronMaikar]

DCG in an R32 makes no sense IMO.

[wj94]

JCW Mini if you want a fun small hatch in the $30k range. :thumbup:

[Frank Rizzo]

After reading this thread, decided to stop by my local VW stealer this afternoon on the way back from the Air and Space. He claimed it was 1.9 on the R32 and no cash back.

Is the R32 really *that* much better than the GTI? I get the engine, brakes, AWD, but the GTI can be had with 4 doors (my preference) and a 6-speed manual (the R32 is DSG only).

I bought it today.
$500 over invoice, less $2000 VWoA rebate for the financing and less $1000 western region rebate ($3k in rebates total).

Sticker was $33,640 (incl destination)
I paid $27,788 (incl destination)

Almost $6000 off of MSRP -AND- 2.9% for up to 72 mos. Mini what? Besides, aren't Mini's front wheel drive? No thanks then. Regardless, they are ubiquitous around here...


Props to IndyMike !!!!!!!!

.

[wj94]

I bought it today.
$500 over invoice, less $2000 VWoA rebate for the financing and less $1000 western region rebate ($3k in rebates total).

Sticker was $33,640 (incl destination)
I paid $27,788 (incl destination)

Almost $6000 off of MSRP -AND- 2.9% for up to 72 mos. Mini what? Besides, aren't Mini's front wheel drive? No thanks then. Regardless, they are ubiquitous around here...


Props to IndyMike !!!!!!!!

.

FWD yes, but you need to do the test drive to understand....I didn't even really like them before I drove it, and now I have a JCW Mini on order only 8 months after buying a new Camry (which is being replaced by the Mini). Either way, congrats on the car - R32's are pretty sweet.

[hts]

I bought it today.
$500 over invoice, less $2000 VWoA rebate for the financing and less $1000 western region rebate ($3k in rebates total).

Sticker was $33,640 (incl destination)
I paid $27,788 (incl destination)

Almost $6000 off of MSRP -AND- 2.9% for up to 72 mos. Mini what? Besides, aren't Mini's front wheel drive? No thanks then. Regardless, they are ubiquitous around here...


Props to IndyMike !!!!!!!!

.

sweet deal rizzo--congrats to you! where's the fated rdx going?

[obmd1]

I had a '91 VR6... awesome car, but service wise you needed two, because she spent a LOT of time in the shop. Melted a wireing harness 3 years in. Before you buy, try to find out if they have improved on their build quality. Especially electrically, VW is a nightmare.

[Chris90]

A friend's current gen GTI has been bulletproof, I think quality has improved a lot.

That's a killer deal. I wish they had a 5 door manual, that's how I'd want it.

[stylinexpat]

I bought it today.
$500 over invoice, less $2000 VWoA rebate for the financing and less $1000 western region rebate ($3k in rebates total).

Sticker was $33,640 (incl destination)
I paid $27,788 (incl destination)

Almost $6000 off of MSRP -AND- 2.9% for up to 72 mos. Mini what? Besides, aren't Mini's front wheel drive? No thanks then. Regardless, they are ubiquitous around here...


Props to IndyMike !!!!!!!!

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Congrats:thumbup: It's an awesome car. I had an R32 and liked it very much.

Best mod you can do to that car is to replace the stock wheels with some light-weight wheels. The difference is amazing after replacing the stock wheels with lighter weight wheels. The stock wheels are very heavy and you will see great improvement in breaking,handling and performance by replacing the stock wheels with some after-market lightweight wheels. Get some nice lightweight 18" wheels.

Driving them is lots of fun but gas mileage is nothing special when you are on it, you will see that it goes through fuel pretty quickly.Handling and high-speed stability is really good.


:beerchug: vwvortex is a good site for information on R32's but mods there are like the mods on the Vette forums:eek: Can't beat the mods on Bimmerfest:)

[Frank Rizzo]

sweet deal rizzo--congrats to you! where's the fated rdx going?

Gone. CarMax @ LAX.
I could not believe it - apparently they LOVE Honda/Acura/Toyota/Nissans...they were $1000 over "fair" bluebook. Stealer was $1k under.

Ya know, it was a good reliable car, but it really has no soul. The last review I read about the new TSX had a great line; something about a lot of things on the car came across as the Engineers saying "good enough" and not going all they way. That in a nutshell was the RDX as well. I'm still miffed that the car did not have things like auto headlights, memory seats, power passenger seat, auto dim rear view and the gimmick-y turbo 4 motor that got 17 MPG.

You know I beat that car like my 3rd wife (:angel:)and it never gave me any problems but I'd rather have the [chance of] little problems from a VW or a BMW than a vanilla driving experience. Acura is a great brand if you are stepping up from a Honda or a Toyota..or you want an "appliance", but a tough pill if you come from a Germanic vehicle.

[hts]

wow, i am surprised you got such a great deal from the carmax stealer--they're a total ripoff here in nova. 17mpg from that (turbo) i-4 should be a capital offense. i would never buy a jap car for myself, but my wife is a huge fan of appliances and hence the mdx/rx/highlander are high on her wish list.

congrats again on your r32; drive it in good health.

Gone. CarMax @ LAX.
I could not believe it - apparently they LOVE Honda/Acura/Toyota/Nissans...they were $1000 over "fair" bluebook. Stealer was $1k under.

Ya know, it was a good reliable car, but it really has no soul. The last review I read about the new TSX had a great line; something about a lot of things on the car came across as the Engineers saying "good enough" and not going all they way. That in a nutshell was the RDX as well. I'm still miffed that the car did not have things like auto headlights, memory seats, power passenger seat, auto dim rear view and the gimmick-y turbo 4 motor that got 17 MPG.

You know I beat that car like my 3rd wife (:angel:)and it never gave me any problems but I'd rather have the [chance of] little problems from a VW or a BMW than a vanilla driving experience. Acura is a great brand if you are stepping up from a Honda or a Toyota..or you want an "appliance", but a tough pill if you come from a Germanic vehicle.

[Frank Rizzo]

Here it is...


http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/7152/48206680mx4.th.jpg (http://img291.imageshack.us/my.php?image=48206680mx4.jpg)
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http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/5272/90446204lq3.th.jpg (http://img244.imageshack.us/my.php?image=90446204lq3.jpg)

;)

[Chris90]

Shoulda bought this.


http://www.vwvortex.com/gallery/albums//Volkswagen/Scirocco%20-%20Corrado/New%20Scirocco/Scirocco%20GT24/007.jpg

http://www.vwvortex.com/gallery/albums//Volkswagen/Scirocco%20-%20Corrado/New%20Scirocco/Scirocco%20GT24/001.jpg

[Patrick]

Congrats, Frank! :thumbup:

And this is sort of strange... I have been (for the last week) considering buy a used R32. I even found one: 2006 R32, driven 41,000km (25,000 miles), metallic black, 4 door, warranty and so on.

Decisions, decisions. :bigpimp:

It could be fun, especially in the snow!


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[Patrick]

And it is a MANUAL transmission.


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[hts]

you guys get 4dr manual r32's over there?! dang...

[Frank Rizzo]

you guys get 4dr manual r32's over there?! dang...

With parking sensors AND foglights too.....:dunno:

[Patrick]

you guys get 4dr manual r32's over there?! dang...

Yep. And it only costs $63,120 USD.


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[MarcusSDCA]

$27K is more like it....when I saw the R32 on a VW lot for $32,000 I thought it was way too much money.....no wonder they are discounting the heck out of them.... The bean counters at VW probably do Jaegermeister shots every time someone buys one of these.

[Cliff]

Yep. And it only costs $63,120 USD.


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No kidding. They were around US$57k in Oz, not including delivery charges and stamp duty.

(but no foglights)

[Patrick]

No kidding. They were around US$57k in Oz, not including delivery charges and stamp duty.

(but no foglights)

Ouch.

The new one that I "built" from volkswagen.fi was 52,000 EUR ($81,900 USD).

It did not come with fog lights... :rofl:


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[Cliff]

Ouch.

The new one that I "built" from volkswagen.fi was 52,000 EUR ($81,900 USD).

It did not come with fog lights... :rofl:


.

But parking sensors were an option.. Finland has emmission or displacement related taxes, right?

They were also tough to get. I was spending time on an Aussie VW forum, and people there were waiting months to get an R32. We have it pretty darned good in the US...

[Frank Rizzo]

Ouch.

The new one that I "built" from volkswagen.fi was 52,000 EUR ($81,900 USD).

It did not come with fog lights... :rofl:

.

And you guys get the badazz Recaro seats too...

$27K is more like it....when I saw the R32 on a VW lot for $32,000 I thought it was way too much money.....no wonder they are discounting the heck out of them.... The bean counters at VW probably do Jaegermeister shots every time someone buys one of these.

Yeah but think about how hard the pencil pushers at BMW are laughing every time someone ponys up for a overpriced Mini.

That's a glass of Pils AND a shot of Jaeger.

[mtbscott]

Congrats on your R32, I liked everything about it but the DSG. Weirdly the MkIV version came only with manual in the US and folks b!tched that you couldn't get DSG back then. About the price, I read a blurb on the Vortex recently in the Tiguan forum. Poster said that VWoA has a bad habit of overpricing their wares to begin with, then six months later they're selling them at invoice or below with rebates. Does seem to be the case.

[abracc]

You'll love the car. Got mine back in March and am so happy to get away from front wheel drive cars. Drove the GTI and I enjoy the R32 so much more than the GTI. Don't know why people dis the DSG, but I really like it. I've only owned 3 automatics in my life, everything else was a stick. Don't really miss the 3rd pedal that much. You'll enjoy the ride.

[stylinexpat]

You'll love the car. Got mine back in March and am so happy to get away from front wheel drive cars. Drove the GTI and I enjoy the R32 so much more than the GTI. Don't know why people dis the DSG, but I really like it. I've only owned 3 automatics in my life, everything else was a stick. Don't really miss the 3rd pedal that much. You'll enjoy the ride.


DSG is actually quite nice. Those that live in cities really appreciate them.

[blueguydotcom]

And you guys get the badazz Recaro seats too...



Yeah but think about how hard the pencil pushers at BMW are laughing every time someone ponys up for a overpriced Mini.

That's a glass of Pils AND a shot of Jaeger.

Yeah, I'll be laughing hard when I sell my 07 Cooper S for 2-3k less than sticker in Nov/Dec. No other mass market new car has this kind of resale value. :D

[blueguydotcom]

We have an A3 DSG. It's been almost two years. I still don't dig on it. Drove a Jetta TDI the other night with DSG. Still can't say it's something I'd want to drive daily. The lag before acceleration's a little off-putting. Also, the transmission's tendency to slip into and out of gears feels odd to this day.

[Frank Rizzo]

DSG is actually quite nice. Those that live in cities really appreciate them.

Yeah I hear ya, I already I like it, makes for a perfect daily driver in congested areas.

I'll take AWD + DSG instead of FWD + Manual any day :rofl:
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[jcatral14]

A friend of mine is about to get one. He said the best price he got was 28,865?(I think). He said that price included that 2k rebate or whatever you want to call it. He seems to think that the cars have a poor paint job because most of the cars he has seen has some kind of defect :dunno:

Edit: I didn't realize you got it already. Congrats :thumbup:

[e36m34life]

Congratulations, they are sweet cars for sure. Enjoy!

[stylinexpat]

A friend of mine is about to get one. He said the best price he got was 28,865?(I think). He said that price included that 2k rebate or whatever you want to call it. He seems to think that the cars have a poor paint job because most of the cars he has seen has some kind of defect :dunno:

Edit: I didn't realize you got it already. Congrats :thumbup:


The paint job on the VW R32's is much better then the paint job that came on my BMW 130i:eek: The paint on the 130i was really bad in my opinion. It was really thin and came off like lipstick.:eek: BMW could have done a better job on their 1 series paint job. I never had a problem with the paint job on my VW R32.

[stylinexpat]

Yeah I hear ya, I already I like it, makes for a perfect daily driver in congested areas.

I'll take AWD + DSG instead of FWD + Manual any day :rofl:
.

I love their interior and dashboard lights at night:thumbup: Wait till you drive that car in the rain or winter. You will love taking turns and corners. When I had my R32 I had added a LSD. You may want to add one if you really like driving hard. That was a great mod on my car. I had installed a LSD from Quaife (There are others out there now) for the front and it helped get rid of the understeer and helped the car exit better out of turns when the pedal was to the metal:D

[Frank Rizzo]

Yeah, I'll be laughing hard when I sell my 07 Cooper S for 2-3k less than sticker in Nov/Dec. No other mass market new car has this kind of resale value. (emphasis added) :D


Ruh-roh Scooby-doo. No other car?
Methinks you might be overestimating...Looks like you get beat out by a Jeep !:angel:

http://finance.yahoo.com/loans/article/105639/Best-10-Worst-10-Cars-for-Holding-Value


Best 10, Worst 10 Cars for Holding Value

by Fritz Esker
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If you spend tens of thousands of dollars on a car, you want to get something back for your investment when it's over. Inevitably, the value of your car will depreciate, but you'd like it to have as much trade-in value as possible.
This doesn't just go for buying a car. When you lease a car, the amount it will be worth at the end of the lease is critical in determining your monthly lease payment price. It's called residual value, an important factor to keep in mind if you're shopping for a new car.


Best Value Holders:

1. Volkswagen R32

MSRP: $32,990
Style: Performance
5-year residual value: 43 percent or $14,186
Engine: six-cylinder, 3.2-liter, 250 horsepower
Warranty: Basic -- 4 years/50,000 miles, powertrain -- 5 years, 60,000 miles
Special features: SIRIUS satellite radio, power glass sunroof, multi-function trip computer
Reasons it will hold value: It's a reasonably priced, low-volume car. It's a descendant/variant of the Volkswagen GTI, also known for its quality.


2. Jeep Wrangler

MSRP: $19,680
Style: SUV
5-year residual value: 42.9 percent or $8,443
Engine: Six-cylinder, 3.8-liter, 202 horsepower
Warranty: Basic -- 3 years/36,000 miles, powertrain -- lifetime limited warranty, certain restrictions apply
Special features: AM/FM radio with in-dash CD player & MP3 capability, Sentry Key Theft Deterrent System
Reasons it will hold value: It's cornered the niche market for people who like to do a lot of off-roading and has few competitors.

3. Mini-Cooper

MSRP: $18,700
Style: Hatchback
5-year residual value: 42.7 percent or $7,985
Engine: Four-cylinder, 1.6-liter, 118 horsepower
Warranty: 4 years/50,000 miles
Special features: Four years of complimentary roadside assistance, toggle switch controls, fully electronic throttle
Reasons it will hold value: It's sporty, fuel-efficient, reasonably priced and covers a wide spectrum of customers. It also has a good reputation.

4. Scion XB

MSRP: Manual $16,370, automatic $17,320
Style: Compact station wagon
5-year residual value: 39.5 percent or $6,466(manual)/ $6,841 (automatic)
Engine: Four-cylinder, 2.4-liter, 158 horsepower
Warranty: Basic -- 3 years/36,000 miles, powertrain -- 5 years, 60,000 miles
Special features: Tachometer and trip meter, 60/40-split folding rear seat, AM/FM CD and iPod capability
Reasons it will hold value: It's relatively fuel-efficient, reasonably priced and it has more space than compacts with similar prices.

5. Honda CR-V

MSRP: $20,700
Style: SUV
5-year residual value: 39.4 percent or $8,156
Engine: Four-cylinder, 2.4-liter, 166 horsepower
Warranty: Basic -- 3 years/36,000 miles, powertrain -- 5 years/60,000 miles
Special features: XM satellite radio, Honda satellite-linked navigation system, digital audio card reader
Reasons it will hold value: It's fuel-efficient for an SUV, seats five and has plenty of storage room.

6. Toyota RAV4

MSRP: $21,500
Style: SUV
5-year residual value: 38.9 percent or $8,364
Engine: V-6, 3.5-liter, 269 horsepower
Warranty: Basic -- 3 years/36,000 miles, powertrain -- 5 years/60,000 miles
Special features: AM/FM 6-disc CD changer with satellite radio capability and MP3/WMA capability, 10 cup holders
Reasons it will hold value: By SUV standards, it's fuel-efficient. It seats five and has plenty of storage room.

7. Infiniti G35/G37

MSRP: $32,250
Style: Sedan
5-year residual value: 38.9 percent or $12,545
Engine: V-6, 3.5-liter, 306 horsepower
Warranty: Basic -- 4 years, 60,000 miles, powertrain -- 6 years/70,000 miles
Special features: XM satellite radio, tire pressure monitoring system, heated front seats
Reasons it will hold value: It's a great price for the product. The performance is similar to the BMW 335, but is approximately $8,000 cheaper.

8. Dodge Viper

MSRP: $87,460
Style: Sports car
5-year residual value: 38 percent or $33,235
Engine: V-10, 8.4-liter, 600 horsepower
Warranty: powertrain -- 3 years/36,000 miles
Special features: AM/FM stereo with CD player and CD changer, Sentry Key Theft Deterrent System
Reasons it will hold value: It's a low-volume sports car that has an exotic feel and is reasonably price compared to exotic sports cars.

9. BMW 1 Series

MSRP: $28,600
Style: Small luxury/small-family
5-year residual value: 37.8 percent or $10,811
Engine: Six-cylinder, 3.0-liter, 230 horsepower
Warranty: 4 years/50,000 miles
Special features: Two-way power glass moon roof, anti-theft AM/FM audio system with 10 speakers and satellite radio/MP3 capability
Reasons it will hold value: It has a very low volume and is smaller, lighter and cheaper than the BMW 3 series.

10. Nissan Rogue

MSRP: $19,430
Style: SUV
5-year residual value: 37.5 percent or $7,286
Engine: Four-cylinder, 2.5-liter, 170 horsepower
Warranty: Basic -- 3 years/36,000 miles, powertrain -- 5 years/60,000 miles
Special features: Drive computer, XM satellite radio, MP3/WMA capability
Reasons it will hold value: It's a fuel-efficient SUV and good for those wishing to downsize a bit.

[blueguydotcom]

Frank, maybe. But Edmunds just finished a 1 year test and their Cooper S lost 4% of its MSRP after 18k miles. 4.13% in one year is unheard of. :)

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/LongTerm/articleId=121998

[Chris90]

Frank, maybe. But Edmunds just finished a 1 year test and their Cooper S lost 4% of its MSRP after 18k miles. 4.13% in one year is unheard of. :)

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/LongTerm/articleId=121998

They're probably using their own inflated values. :D Try taking a used Cooper S to a dealer and getting $1000 off MSRP in trade.

[blueguydotcom]

They're probably using their own inflated values. :D Try taking a used Cooper S to a dealer and getting $1000 off MSRP in trade.

Try buying a used Cooper S with manual. Seriously, check out the autotrader prices people are asking. Coopers in California are extremely popular and every dealer is basically out of stock.

[Chris90]

Try buying a used Cooper S with manual. Seriously, check out the autotrader prices people are asking. Coopers in California are extremely popular and every dealer is basically out of stock.

California is not a normal place. :)