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adigsmx

07-29-2008, 04:11 PM

I have ordered in my car the HK logic 7 sound system(1180EUR), I use the recommended settings found here, posted by a specialist.althougt it made a difference, I am not quite satisfied with it.I am wondering If the system is better or worse than the Bang & Olufsen from audi A5, the cheaper model from B&o (900eur) without moving speakers like A8.can anyone test and post over here?
any opinion will help.thanks

panerai7

07-29-2008, 06:07 PM

What are you looking for out of the results?
Are you gonna trade your car for a volkswagen because it has a better sound system?
Just curious

SJK

07-29-2008, 06:47 PM

LOL! I was thinking the same thing. My L7 is okay, but not the best audio sound system I have. I didn't buy the car for the sound system. At least not the one coming out of the speakers.

upenndash8100

07-29-2008, 07:09 PM

Must agree--- imo- it's just as good as my lexus GS300's audio or my Land rover. Here is my point - I want to hear and feel a little bass, I don't want it to distort (it does a little on some things, but that could simply be the fact that I listen to MP3's and not real cds)... but it gets the job done very very well. I don't need anymore - any more bass or any more loudness and it HURTS MY EARS. I am very pleased with the system and the quality thus far.

mercury26

07-29-2008, 09:11 PM

What are you looking for out of the results?
Are you gonna trade your car for a volkswagen because it has a better sound system?
Just curious

Audi is not a Volkswagen, any more than BMW is a Mini. Sort it out fella. Anyways, VW uses Dynaudio on their top end systems and Audi has now moved to Bang & Olufsen. B&O systems are top of the game, I doubt very few people on this board have experienced it.

Cheers,

Chuck

SJK

07-29-2008, 09:18 PM

Well. If the sound system is a top priority then you probably shouldn't buy a BMW. The L7 is quite adequate, but there are better systems out there including the B&O. The exhaust and the road noise alone would get in the way of enjoying a higer end system. That's just not what a BMW is about.

panerai7

07-29-2008, 09:21 PM

Audi is not a Volkswagen, any more than BMW is a Mini. Sort it out fella. Anyways, VW uses Dynaudio on their top end systems and Audi has now moved to Bang & Olufsen. B&O systems are top of the game, I doubt very few people on this board have experienced it.

Cheers,

Chuck

Audi is most certainly a prettied up VW. BMW and Mini are much farther apart, come on.
Toyota and Lexus are much better comparison to Audi/VW relationship.

captainaudio

07-29-2008, 10:59 PM

Audi is most certainly a prettied up VW. BMW and Mini are much farther apart, come on.
Toyota and Lexus are much better comparison to Audi/VW relationship.

Come on Panerai! If an Audi is a prettied up Volkswagen then a Porsche GT2 is a souped up Beetle, a Bentley is a tarted up Volkswagen (same engine as the Phaeton) and a Rolls Royce is a rebodied BMW.

There is an S5 that parks next to me in my garage. It is a really nice car, certainly in the same league as my 335i and in some ways nicer.

As for Toyota/Lexus, with the exception of the Lexus ES, which is similar to the Camry, Lexus and Toyota have little in common other than the fact that they are made by the same company.
http://www.carpages.co.uk/volkswagen/volkswagen_images/volkswagen_new_beetle_06_08_05.jpg

http://germancarscene.com/wp-content/uploads/r8-29-03-07.jpg
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As for the Locic 7. When I first got the car I did not like it - thought the Pioneer system in my Lexus sounded better. Now that I have had the car for a while I don't mind it (the Logic 7) at all.

adigsmx

07-30-2008, 05:32 AM

when I configurated de vehicle, I had 4 sound optiones...
standard- free
hi-fi - 600 eur
logic 7 - 1180 eur
high end - 2100 eur(too expensive to pay for HK)
I am a bang&olufsen fan, I own some of their products, and belive me...they rock!
Bmw, is way better than the audi...no point to discuss this, so I made a right choice.If I wanted to know if I made a mistake between de hi-fi and the logic 7.probably I didn't.
Althougt it is said that it has 2 subwoofers, the bass volume is low.Anyway, I'll hope to buy aston martin that has B&o in the near future, if bmw woun't sign an agreement with B&o.thank you for replying.

mookjohnson

07-30-2008, 05:58 AM

adigsmx

07-30-2008, 06:15 AM

Can you post that link to the specialist setting please, feeling lazy this morn. Thanks. System sounds fine in my cab. many times better than the system in my 330 cab

I have found them in this post:
http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=285600&highlight=logic+settings

adc

07-30-2008, 09:17 AM

http://www.bavariansoundwerks.com/category/174/0/BMW-Speaker-Packages/

Right now in development, but I have had their kit in my E46 and it was a significant improvement. Call or email them and ask for a tentative deadline, I would definitely do this in my car if I wanted improved sound. At around E400 it's almost reasonable. :)

adigsmx

07-30-2008, 02:32 PM

adc

07-30-2008, 03:25 PM

it's the first time I hear about this brand, so, no offense, I'm not into it...there are only 4 speakers, instead of 13 that this HK logic 7 already has.their 13 speakers were measured, and they have a perfectly placed position, like living in harmony.I cannot damage that harmony by replacing 4 out of 13.

Their E46 kit was using either Rainbow Audio or MB Quart components, designed to replace the OEM HK speakers in a plug and play fashion. The OEM speakers in the E46 cars were extremely low quality/materials, I didn't think they could be so cheap. BSW also sold a 3" door midrange replacement which was much much better than the OEM (which used to blow) - nobody else had a plug and play solution for that bad midrange. Both for E36 and E46 cars.

For the E46, the Rainbow Audio components were recommended for a warmer sound and the MB Quarts for a brighter sound. I went with RA. In any case, it was a major and marked improvement.

I have reason to believe the L7 is similar - sure, it has a more modern amplifier and DSP unit, but I think BMW went cheapo again on the speakers. Out of the 13 speakers in the HK system, some are subs which would not be replaced. Nor would the center dash speaker, especially if you listen in Music mode. The greatest audio impact is most likely generated by a few speakers - if these were to be replaced by better quality plug and play units, I don't see why the overall sound couldn't be improved as well.

All I'm saying is, based on their past kits, I would give this new kit a try. :thumbup:
So why not contact them and see what they have to say: why they replace those 4 speakers and not others, what do they replace them with, what about crossovers, what are they trying to accomplish etc. They're not a mickey-mouse-ish outfit.

Edit: The E9x kits are not out yet, they were supposed to be released this summer.
http://www.bavariansoundwerks.com/product/596/174/BMW-Speakers-Upgrade-3-Series-M3-E92/
Not sure what the delay is - but since they kits are not officially out yet, we can't say for certain how many speakers will be replaced and which ones.

jummo

07-30-2008, 04:18 PM

[QUOTE=adigsmx;3432513 Anyway, I'll hope to buy aston martin that has B&o in the near future, if bmw woun't sign an agreement with B&o.thank you for replying.[/QUOTE]

:yikes: Seems like kind of a large leap from a 320 to an Aston Martin just to get a better stereo.

I think the Logic 7 is a good car stereo, but sound tuning varies with the input. The radio sounds different than the CD, and with the I-pod (which is the main source, other than the N54) every song is different.

I look forward to seeing pics of the Aston Martin. :thumbup:

jummo

adigsmx

07-30-2008, 05:00 PM

:yikes: Seems like kind of a large leap from a 320 to an Aston Martin just to get a better stereo.

I look forward to seeing pics of the Aston Martin. :thumbup:

jummo

Is not for the better stereo, it's for the car.no offense to bmw, but it is a fantastic car imo. the stereo is bonus :) .i'll buy it hopefully in the next 2 years, don't have that money yet, and, moast important, it is not a car for my age.I promiss to send pictures ;)
Fortunatly, I have just found for sale the speakers from audi A4/A5(same) for 750 eur. bang&olufsen provides a picture on their site with the mounting position on A4/A5, but for logic 7 I can't find the mounting position in e92 to see if they fit.
Can anyone provide that pictures? thanks in advance

audi mounting picture, media browser section, last one :
http://www.bang-olufsen.com/page.asp?id=322

mercury26

07-30-2008, 05:02 PM

Audi is most certainly a prettied up VW. BMW and Mini are much farther apart, come on.
Toyota and Lexus are much better comparison to Audi/VW relationship.

Are you ignorant or just kidding around? I hope the later (for your sake). Most Audi's are their own designs and drivetrains, EXCEPT A3 and TT shares components with Golf/GTI and Q7 shares components with Toureg and Porsche Cayenne. The Audi A8 is the sister car to the Bentley Continental and Lambroghinis share more with Audi than VW.

Cheers,

Chuck

mookjohnson

07-31-2008, 06:32 AM

I have found them in this post:
http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=285600&highlight=logic+settings

Thanks!

eggbone

07-31-2008, 10:09 AM

I am wondering If the system is better or worse than the Bang & Olufsen from audi A5, the cheaper model from B&o (900eur) without moving speakers like A8.can anyone test and post over here?
any opinion will help.thanks[/QUOTE]

The L7 is an average mid-grade system....really not comparable to any B&O system. If I had a choice, I would install a B&O.

panerai7

07-31-2008, 11:06 AM

Are you ignorant or just kidding around? I hope the later (for your sake). Most Audi's are their own designs and drivetrains, EXCEPT A3 and TT shares components with Golf/GTI and Q7 shares components with Toureg and Porsche Cayenne. The Audi A8 is the sister car to the Bentley Continental and Lambroghinis share more with Audi than VW.

Cheers,

Chuck

Like I said audi/vw is like lexus/toyota, sharing parts and some models are just rebadges with different grills. It doesn't matter I wouldn't buy either one because of their horrible reliability and depreciation, no matter what radio comes with it.

I like L7 stereo, but I didn't expect it to rival a good home system anyway.

adigsmx

07-31-2008, 02:07 PM

I've spoken with the B&o seller and he told me he sold the system the second day after he posted the ad.anyway it wasn't complete, the DSP unit was missing.he said he will try to provide me another one, brand new and complete from germany.the speakers seem to be in the same opsition in both cars, except the logic 7 has 2 subwoofers under the seats, and B&o only one in the rear.to replace the speakers is not difficult, because they seem to be the same size.my only question is: how will I connect the DSP unit ? I hope the people from car audio shop will know how to solve this problem.
thanks

SJK

07-31-2008, 06:53 PM

I have found them in this post:
http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=285600&highlight=logic+settingsI tried these settings and it was a little tinny sounding. I made a couple of tweeks on the bass and the high frequency settings on the EQ and it sounds good.

Thanks to the OP for doing the leg work. I wasn't completely happy with my settings and this sounds better.

mercury26

07-31-2008, 09:31 PM

Like I said audi/vw is like lexus/toyota, sharing parts and some models are just rebadges with different grills. It doesn't matter I wouldn't buy either one because of their horrible reliability and depreciation, no matter what radio comes with it.

I like L7 stereo, but I didn't expect it to rival a good home system anyway.

Big difference between common components and a re-badged automobile, none of the VW/Audi/Bentley/Porsche common platforms are re-badges. As for reliability, VW and Audi are excellent cars, never had any reliability problems with any I have owned (I have owned plenty over the last 20 years).

Cheers,

Chuck

panerai7

07-31-2008, 10:51 PM

jwac

08-01-2008, 12:27 AM

I've listened to the B&O system in the S5 as well as the one in the S8. The S8's version is quite impressive (the power and imaging are astounding), although I'm not sure if it's worth a $6,300 upgrade over the standard 12-speaker Bose system. The retracting tweeters are just the usual B&O unnecessary theatrics. :rolleyes:

For only $850 over the standard - and rather average-sounding "Symphony" sound system - the S5's B&O upgrade is probably worth it. I don't think it was significantly better than the L7, which when well-tweaked can sound beautiful. The L7 doesn't "sparkle" though, and a lot of people prefer that out of a system rather than just sonic accuracy. I have played a wide range of music on my L7, and while I think the 2 surround modes are just kind of silly (I would rather have "driver only" and "driver + passenger" adaptive imaging options, for example), I otherwise think it's a pretty excellent system.

captainaudio

08-01-2008, 03:01 AM

You're the first. THe longest line to a service department I have ever seen is VW/Audi dealership. It spills out of the lot on to the street and around the corner every morning.

And please dont' put Porsche together with audi, Porsche is not owned by people's wagon unlike Audi that is using the same parts bin with the vw

Porsche is not owned by Volkswagen, Volkswagen is owned by Porsche. The EU recently granted permission for Porsche to take control of Vollswagen, Porsche bought a 20% share of Volkswagen in 2005. This was later increased to a 31% share and in March of 2008 the supervisor board of Volkswagen Group gave approval for Porsche AG to take a majority stake in Volkswagen. This will ultimately increase Porsche's share in Volkswagen to 51%.

There is a long association between the two companies. The Porsche Cayenne and Volkswagen Touareg share the same platform. The Cayenne, Touareg and Audi Q7 are built in the same manyfacturing plant. Both the Volswagen Beetle and the Porsche 356 were designed by Ferdinand Porsche and there were a lot of mechanical similarities between the early Porsches and the Beetle. The mid engined Porsche 914 of the 60s and 70s had a Volkswagen engine.

So now Porsche controls the VW group (VW, Skoda, Bentley and Bugatti) and the Audi Group (Audi, SEAT and Lamborghini).

SJK

08-01-2008, 05:48 AM

...while I think the 2 surround modes are just kind of silly (I would rather have "driver only" and "driver + passenger" adaptive imaging options, for example),...+1 on that. The DSP in my truck has driver only and all passengers and it makes a big difference.

DonziJosh

08-01-2008, 02:18 PM

As a reformed Audi owner, I can tell you that my 2002 A4 1.8 T was every bit a rebadged, prettied-up VW Passat. A co-worker had a Passat (a year newer) and we both had many of the same defects on our cars.

I was originally attracted to Audi because the car had upscale-yet-youthful appeal, and they were less numerous on the roads than BMWs. A mechanic friend cautioned me against buying an Audi, ticking off a littany of problems that historically plagued them. "But come on," I countered, "They're not like that anymore!"

Wrong. My wannabe-BMW served up a continual array of problems, including: vacuum lines never hooked up from the factory, broken transmission mount, defective sunroof motor, defective power window mechanism, stereo head unit failure (2), defective emissions sensors, fuel injector issues, and, with around 40,000 miles on it, a blown engine. Commiserating with other disgruntled Audi owners at my dealership was a fairly commonplace routine, while among my friends and peers I tried to keep my car's defects a secret, as if it's failures were a reflection upon my poor decision making when purchasing my car.

In contrast, my BMW ownership experience has been wonderful. Finally a product that - unlike my Audi - lives up to the marketing hype. I take delivery of my next BMW any day now, and continue to pity Audi drivers I encounter on the road, knowing all too well their secret shame.

Sorry for going off topic; I had to chime in!

Ps. My Audi's Bose option was muddy, murky, and flat!

mercury26

08-01-2008, 03:32 PM

As a reformed Audi owner, I can tell you that my 2002 A4 1.8 T was every bit a rebadged, prettied-up VW Passat. A co-worker had a Passat (a year newer) and we both had many of the same defects on our cars.

Actually the previous Passat model, from earlier this decade was based on the 1994-2001 A4. Based, not rebadged. Also, 2002 A4 is a B6 chassis that was never shared with Volkswagen. As for problems, BMW is victim of plenty also, look at all the issues with 335's and their high-pressure fuel pumps. Folks this is a religious debate and every one will have their own opinion. All I am getting at is get your facts correct.

By the way, the OP was asking about the B&O and not the Bose systems. Bose is any environment (home or car) is over-hyped/under-delivering system.

Cheers,

Chuck

captainaudio

08-01-2008, 04:40 PM

There is an S5 that parks next to me in my Garage. It seems pretty impressive to me - but I still prefer my 335i.

panerai7

08-01-2008, 04:48 PM

S5 is an overweight all-wheel-drive pig. 335i FTW:thumbup:

The only Audi I would drive would be an R8 and still for that kind of money I would just get a 911. Everything else is a pathetic race to catch up with a BMW

I don't know if it'll make sense to everyone but people who collect watches (BJ?) will understand: Audi is to BMW is like Omega is to Rolex. Omega is owned by swatch, swapping ETA movements with cheaper models, and so on. Rolex is a manufacture, you want a Rolex movement - gotta get a Rolex