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Patrick330i
06-08-2003, 10:19 PM
Just starting to do some research on an SAV/SUV. Xer on the brain. I know nothing about these cars. In fact, I have never even seen myself possibly driving a vehicle like this. We just had a baby boy back in December. My wife has a G-20 leased that is up next May. She will be the main driver. So far, I have done some very quick online looks at the X5, Acura MDX. Infiniti QX5, and the Lexus RX330 (which I don't think I like).

We aren't even sure that we want to get one of these vehicles, but we do make some long trips periodically up and down the west coast. To date, we just rent a minivan or something, but with the lease coming up, I am debating on whether we should just get our own SAV and be done with it.

Some of you may have gone through this same thought process, so any suggestions for a beginner would be helpful. Thanks in advance.

mquetel
06-08-2003, 10:33 PM
A friend of mine has had an X5 for about a year now and I drive with him often. It's amazing how un-SUV like the handling and ride is, but I was really surprised at the lack of space inside.

Is AWD important to you?

Emission
06-08-2003, 11:08 PM
Wife and I were in your shoes a few months ago (and we've also owned two G20's during our marriage). Our Volvo V70 lease was up, and it was time for a replacement. We have one child, and plan on another during the term of the lease.

We really liked the Volvo XC-90, Acura MDX, Honda Pilot, and X5.

We drove the X5 first, and were blown away by how good it was. We decided it was too expensive, and put it out of our minds...

Then, we tried to drive the Acura. None of the dealers had them. My wife didn't like the styling, so we dropped it too.

We then drove a Volvo XC-90. I wasn't impressed that much, and had a bad taste from our previous Volvo lease (crappy quality). Off the list.

The Honda Pilot was a winner. Lots of room, and inexpensive. Unfortunately, it was boring to drive. My wife hated it.

Then, we made our decision... it was a brand-new 525iT. It was comfortable, safe, and fun to drive. We negotiated over the phone on one, then went to buy it.

At the dealership, it was parked next to an X5. The sticker prices were only about $2K different. Hmmm....

We put our car seat in both the X5 and 525iT, and measured both with a tape. The X5 was much larger, and wider. The cup holders were better in the X5, and it had more storage. The engine was larger, and it had that "commanding view" SUV's offer. It was also AWD. It was also safer.

Needless to say, we bought the X5 and have never looked back. It has plenty of cargo space for our needs, is solid as a rock in a downpour, and gets 22 mpg on the highway. We love it.

Masskrug
06-09-2003, 01:06 AM
Hey Patrick,

My wife has an X5 3.0 5speed. It is an absolute hoot to drive. We take it for any trip > 30 mins and it just makes the trip so much more comfortable, especially if you have any ankle biters.

Emission has posted a great summary.

It is much roomier in the passenger area, both front and back, than all the naysayers give it credit for. It is just as spacious as a minivan in that respect. And definitely enough cargo space for luggage for a family of four. Can't do that in our 3'ers!

Masskrug
06-09-2003, 01:08 AM
Originally posted by rumatt
I haven't looked at the specs personally, but everyone claims the 5er wagon has more interior space. It clearly will handle better.

The only reason to go for the X5 is if you want AWD or increased ride height (easier to get baby seat into *maybe*), and a trendy image.

The X5 blows away the tourings in passenger area space. Try it for yourself.

Masskrug
06-09-2003, 01:10 AM
Originally posted by mquetel
I was really surprised at the lack of space inside.


Seating areas much bigger than our 3's! Also blows away the 4 runner dude! I should know, I used to have a 1990 model.

suzer
06-09-2003, 11:28 AM
I was in the exact same place you are - except I have dogs, not kids.

I drove a 95 4runner until April, when I decided I wanted something new, and something "better." I liked the Pilot, MDX and Lexus 300 (not the 330) online, but when I went and drove them, the Pilot and MDX were not what I wanted - I didn't like the styling or the column mounted shifter on the Pilot, and the MDX was just too big - it seemed like the back went on forever. Also, when I dug around online, I found a lot of scary problems listed for Pilot and MDX (they share a lot of components), including new transmissions at less than 10,000 miles, starter problems and sunroof leaks.

The Lexus 300, as you already know, doesn't exist anymore, and the 330 isn't my style.

I admit I like the X5 more than a wagon because of the higher ride and the AWD is something I won't give up because it snows here. I liked the wagon, but I really like SUVs, and I usually get blasted for saying it, but this is just pure personal preference here, nothing else.

The clamshell design of the X5's back door is also a plus for me - it keeps the dogs from jumping out before I can get their leashes on them. They'd be gone in split second if I opened the Pilot or MDX hatch.

The X5 is a great vehicle - safety specs are great, it is plenty roomy inside (two dogs, Home Depot runs, luggage, groceries - no problems), and it is fun to drive. My 4Runner drove like a truck, this drives like car. My husband, who is anti SUV, anti unfun driving (he drives a 330i) hated the 4Runner, and now he always wants to drive the X5.

I'd say you need to drive the bunch to see what you really feel - I went to drive the X5 last because I was afraid I couldn't afford it, and I really didn't go in that day intending to buy, but once I saw it had everything I wanted, I could not let it go.

Tominizer
06-09-2003, 12:35 PM
Safety. Commanding view. My 2002 3.0i X5 costs as much insurance wise as my 2000 328i sedan did!! X5 is a great vehicle to drive. Excellent in the bad weather. I drove from Toronto to Buffalo in some bad winter weather……….. snow with decent cross winds. The X5 was beautiful under these conditions and never did I feel uncomfortable. And I was moving at a good clip too. I’m 6’5” and I can sit comfortably in the back seat without any issues.

In the beginning I was a little unsure of how much I would like the X5, but that has totally changed now. Only thing I wish was that I got the manual 3.0i, but my wife does not drive standard.

JetBlack330i
06-09-2003, 02:09 PM
If a V-8 X5 is in your budget, then take a look also at the Lexus GX470. This is the smaller version of the, what people in the know call, the SUV benchmark (LX470) but uses the same engine, at mucho less dinero.
OTOH, if you don't plan on plunging 48 large on a car, don't test drive the GX470. You'll spoil your apetite and will have a hard time finding anything else that will satisfy you. :bawling:

mkh
06-10-2003, 03:52 PM
I was in the same situation a year ago, and I have a dog (70 lb Labrador) and a kid. I used to have a E36 M3/4. While the performance was outstanding, I definitely need more space, especially when taking the dog out with a huge crate (one size smaller than the largest available). So my wife and I started to look at mid-size SUV's. After a few months of research and test drives, we narrowed down to only 2 choices: The X5 and the MDX. Below are some comments:

1. If you want a manual, the X5 3.0i is the only choice. No other SUV offers stick. I heard that the '04 comes with 6sp, and it really needs it.

2. The cargo space is MUCH bigger than its measurements indicate. Why? Because it is usable. A lot of SUV's have bigger measurements but most of them do not have a wide and flat cargo floor due to the two rear shocks protruding out from the sides. The X5 is one of the very few that I can place the crate horizontally in the cargo without folding the rear seat and still have room to spare. All those who said negatives about it are NOT owners, and probably have never driven one. Last summer, we went for a 3-day camping trip and we had no problem fitting the crate and all the luggage in it.

3. Same applies to the rear seat. My wife used to have difficulty putting the baby and the car seat in the M3, and the rear legroom was very limited. Now with the X5, it's a breeze due to the increased ride height and the extra space between the rear and front seats.

4. In performance and handling, NOTHING comes close (except the new Cayenne and FX35 that I'm not familiar, but the FX is so damn ugly!). It is the ONLY SUV that doesn't drive like a SUV. Of course, don't expect to get the performance of the M3 or ZHP but it is better than everything else in its class. Going up the mountain and very few cars can keep up with me. If you are very performance oriented, I don't think you have another choice.

The only drawback on the X5 is its price. It is unfortunately the most expensive among all our selections. If budget is a concern, then go with the MDX. It has pretty much everything the X5 has except that it still drives like a SUV, and only comes with automatic which I don't like. OTOH it does provide more usable space, and it too can fit my crate easily with the 3rd row down. When it's up, you can even seat 7 people. In this respect, the X5 can't compare.

So the bottom line is if you don't want to spend $40K+ on a SUV, or you still need more space, then DO NOT test drive the X5. Go straight to the MDX and don't look back. You'll be a happy man. But once you drove the X5, nothing will satisfy you, and you'll feel miserable of not getting it.

Masskrug
06-10-2003, 03:58 PM
Hey mkh,

You have a 5speed X5 too? I thought only my wife had one of those in the world, they are so few and far between.

I sure wish it had a 6th gear, because highway cruising is not as relaxed as I'd like it to be.

My only complaint about the X5. Maybe the price too...

Emission
06-10-2003, 05:00 PM
mkh,

Right now, our Yellow Lab is a puppy, but we are prepared... This is a very large kennel, and it fits with room to spare. Hopefully, we'll train her to stay in with just the cargo net someday.

mkh
06-10-2003, 05:00 PM
Originally posted by Masskrug
Hey mkh,

You have a 5speed X5 too? I thought only my wife had one of those in the world, they are so few and far between.

I sure wish it had a 6th gear, because highway cruising is not as relaxed as I'd like it to be.
Yes, I have a 5sp too. So make it two of these in the world. :thumbup:

It definitely needs an overdrive as the rpm is a little high even cruising at 70mph. Also, I hope they can shorten the 1st gear ratio in the new 6sp. Ours are so tall that it's not very useful in everyday driving, except maybe for towing. Despite of that, I still like it a lot more than the Step.

mkh
06-10-2003, 05:13 PM
Originally posted by Emission
mkh,

Right now, our Yellow Lab is a puppy, but we are prepared... This is a very large kennel, and it fits with room to spare. Hopefully, we'll train her to stay in with just the cargo net someday.
You made the right choice! :thumbup:

SARAFIL
06-10-2003, 06:35 PM
Originally posted by ___lk___
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

You clearly have not seen the crash test results if you find that claim to be funny. I believe the Insurance Institute had this to say about it: "It was the safest vehicle we've ever tested... if all vehicles performed that well, we could declare victory and stop doing these tests."

The E39 and E46 were both top performers in their respective classes when they were released, but the X5 is almost definately the safest 'car' BMW currently makes (and I say "almost" because I have not seen any US crash test results on the E65, so I don't want to jump to conclusions).

SupraRZ
06-11-2003, 04:37 AM
I'm deciding between X5 and Cayenne ;)

But i'm waiting for pics of the 04 X5 to come out first heheh..

Emission
06-11-2003, 08:20 AM
Originally posted by SupraRZ
I'm deciding between X5 and Cayenne ;)

But i'm waiting for pics of the 04 X5 to come out first heheh..

The Touareg (VW) is much better than the Cayenne in looks, and price. V10 turbo-diesel is the way to go... In all honesty, I think that is the closest SUV to the X5.

SARAFIL
06-11-2003, 06:10 PM
Originally posted by ___lk___
the "safest vehicle" they're talking about was an E39, not an X5... so what part of the joke dont u get when somebody claims they bot a car that's safer than " the safest vehicle we've ever tested"....? :rolleyes:

And you're wrong again. It was the X5. I have it on tape, too bad I can't send you the VHS. I'll have to find the info on the web.

SARAFIL
06-11-2003, 06:17 PM
Originally posted by ___lk___
the "safest vehicle" they're talking about was an E39, not an X5... so what part of the joke dont u get when somebody claims they bot a car that's safer than " the safest vehicle we've ever tested"....? :rolleyes:

Ok, wise one. Here is a BMW press release. More to come.

100,000th BMW X5 Sports Activity Vehicle Rolls Off the Line at BMW Manufacturing Corp.

Greer, SC (8/23/2001) — BMW Manufacturing Corp. has produced its 100,000th X5 sports activity vehicle. The Siena Red X5, with Beige Montana leather and wood trim, rolled off the Spartanburg-S.C. line at 3 p.m., EDT, today. It will be shipped to a BMW dealership in Ottawa, Ontario, Canada.

The milestone X5 was unveiled to associates at the South Carolina factory during celebrations Thursday. X5 Project Leader Eduard Walek drove the 100,000th X5 off the Assembly line and through a ceremonial portal as associates cheered. He presented the keys to the 100,000th X5 to Dr. Helmut Leube, president of BMW Manufacturing Corp.

The BMW X5 was named the safest vehicle ever tested in 2000 by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety, and earned the highest rating the institute has ever given a vehicle of any type or price range. It has been featured on Dateline, and, along with Walek, was this month's Quality Digest cover story.

"I am absolutely thrilled to take part in this milestone," Walek said. "This is testament to years of planning and to everyone's hard work.

"From the beginning, it was our intention to develop a vehicle that set a new standard as far as SUVs are concerned. We did not accept the standards that applied to [other SUVs]. We adhered to one principle: The X5 must be as safe as the passenger cars produced by BMW."

Emission
06-11-2003, 08:43 PM
Crash Test data true in 2000 (so a fair comparison between the E39 and E53).

I wonder what holds the title today?

Emission
06-11-2003, 09:05 PM
Originally posted by ___lk___
one test does not guarantee anything, other than how well u will fare if u crash in the exact same way."[/B]

I agree with the above statement nearly 100%.

However, the X5 is not a "standard" SUV. It is built like a car (mostly like an E39) with strong A, B, C and D pillars. It will do amazing well in a rollover (in fact, most cars don't have the fourth D-pillar), and is amazingly stable in a turn. Mine is more stable than my Passat, and I have the base suspension.

Look at these facts:

1. The X5 weighs more than the E39.

2. The X5 is taller than the E39.

3. The X5 has an additional set of roof pillars over the E39.

4. It is AWD vs RWD

5. It has more airbags.

Real-world, statement 1 & 2 make all the difference. 3 is great for rollovers, and 4 is good for overall stability in bad weather. 5 (and 2) are great for side impacts.

I love my X5, and my dad has an E39 (540i-6). My brothers both have E46's. ALL BMW's ARE VERY SAFE.

Patrick330i
06-11-2003, 11:46 PM
Just getting back to this thread...

Man, great info posted here and I really do appreciate all of it. It's kind of late right now and I have so much to do outside of this board at the moment, but one question does stick out in my mind immediately...how's the resale on a manual tranny on the Xer? My wife actually prefers a manual, so no problem there, but I am concerned with resale. Most of the people that I know who drive a "similar" car probably wouldn't even think about a manual transmission, but they aren't exactly enthusiasts, either. I can live with an auto b/c I have my 330i, but...Thanks, again! :)

mkh
06-12-2003, 12:03 AM
If you are concerned about resale, get the Step. Did you read our previous posts? Only Masskrug and I have manual in the whole world. Seriously, there may be less than 1% of X5 with manual out there. Talk about limited production!

mquetel
06-12-2003, 06:14 AM
Originally posted by Patrick330i
Just getting back to this thread...

Man, great info posted here and I really do appreciate all of it. It's kind of late right now and I have so much to do outside of this board at the moment, but one question does stick out in my mind immediately...how's the resale on a manual tranny on the Xer? My wife actually prefers a manual, so no problem there, but I am concerned with resale. Most of the people that I know who drive a "similar" car probably wouldn't even think about a manual transmission, but they aren't exactly enthusiasts, either. I can live with an auto b/c I have my 330i, but...Thanks, again! :)

And you could always get the paddle shift retrofit if you want to spice things up a bit... :bigpimp:

suzer
06-12-2003, 06:16 AM
Another problem with manual may be finding one.

I drove stick for 15 years, but bought the X5 with step because I wasn't able to find one to test drive. I suppose if I had worked harder I could have, but my dealer of choice didn't have one, and so I'd have to order a car I had never driven, which didn't sound so smart.

I really enjoyed the good parts of driving manual (always getting to be in charge) and normally hated driving other people's automatic cars (it never seemed like they had any pick-up, and were always changing gears seemingly at whim. The X5 though, doesn't (for me) have that weird automatic lag between gears - it just goes.

mkh
06-12-2003, 08:00 AM
Originally posted by suzer
Another problem with manual may be finding one.

I drove stick for 15 years, but bought the X5 with step because I wasn't able to find one to test drive. I suppose if I had worked harder I could have, but my dealer of choice didn't have one, and so I'd have to order a car I had never driven, which didn't sound so smart.

I really enjoyed the good parts of driving manual (always getting to be in charge) and normally hated driving other people's automatic cars (it never seemed like they had any pick-up, and were always changing gears seemingly at whim. The X5 though, doesn't (for me) have that weird automatic lag between gears - it just goes.
I agreed. Unless you are really really into driving manual, you'd be better off getting the Step for all the side benefits. I think it satisfies 99.9% of owners except that 0.1% (includes me). But unfortunately, you have to pay another $1250 for that.

Patrick330i
06-12-2003, 10:03 PM
If you are concerned about resale, get the Step. Did you read our previous posts? Only Masskrug and I have manual in the whole world. Seriously, there may be less than 1% of X5 with manual out there. Talk about limited production!

What? Yes, I read it. Honestly, I was surprised to see that many manuals listed here, even if it was only two. Caught me by surprised, but pleasantly so. However...

All this step talk is what makes me NOT want to get the Xer! :thumbdwn: But that's the reality of it and I hear you. I'll have to think about that one long and hard. Thanks for all your comments. :thumbup:

Emission
06-12-2003, 10:07 PM
I HATE automatics.

Now, with that in mind, I actually LIKE the Steptronic in my X5. It shifts nearly seamlessly, and in SPORT mode will really hold the gears. It is light-years ahead of the VW/Audi/Porsche Tiptronic in my Passat.

Drive it, then form an opinion.

mkh
06-12-2003, 11:08 PM
Originally posted by Patrick330i
All this step talk is what makes me NOT want to get the Xer! :thumbdwn:
I don't quite get what you meant :dunno: . All the "step talks" were just commenting on how great the Steptronic is. If you don't like it (like me), then get the manual. Well, you sounded like you prefer manual but worry about resale.

Ok, if you lease the X5, then you don't have to worry about resale. If you intend to buy it and keep it for a long long time, then resale becomes insignificant. So why don't just get what you want and enjoy at least for a few years?

Now if you still put resale in such a high priority, then get a Step. And you are getting the BEST automatic and the BEST SUV in the market. What's wrong with that? If you are not getting the X5 because of the Step, then what are you getting? MDX? Lexus 330? QX4? All these have inferior automatics, and can't compare with the X5 in dynamics.

Patrick330i
06-13-2003, 12:30 AM
Originally posted by mkh
I don't quite get what you meant :dunno: . All the "step talks" were just commenting on how great the Steptronic is. If you don't like it (like me), then get the manual. Well, you sounded like you prefer manual but worry about resale.

Ok, if you lease the X5, then you don't have to worry about resale. If you intend to buy it and keep it for a long long time, then resale becomes insignificant. So why don't just get what you want and enjoy at least for a few years?

Now if you still put resale in such a high priority, then get a Step. And you are getting the BEST automatic and the BEST SUV in the market. What's wrong with that? If you are not getting the X5 because of the Step, then what are you getting? MDX? Lexus 330? QX4? All these have inferior automatics, and can't compare with the X5 in dynamics.

Thanks, but dude, I mentioned in the beginning that my wife's lease is not up for a year, which means I am just thinking about things now. I haven't researched the issue and I certainly haven't looked at any vehicles yet. I am working on it. Thanks for your input.

Masskrug
06-16-2003, 10:41 PM
Originally posted by suzer
Another problem with manual may be finding one.

I really enjoyed the good parts of driving manual (always getting to be in charge) and normally hated driving other people's automatic cars (it never seemed like they had any pick-up, and were always changing gears seemingly at whim. The X5 though, doesn't (for me) have that weird automatic lag between gears - it just goes.

You can always get one built, like we did. Plus you get the exact options that you want. Color as well.

Patrick330i
06-21-2003, 02:45 PM
Cruised by the dealership today. The Qx4 is OUT. Didn't test drive the X5, but, looking back, maybe we should have. The only reason why I say this is that the MDX guys had us in the car taking a ride. That might have been bad for them, though, but I would have had to have done it anyway. Man, coming from my 330i to that MDX made the Acura feel under-powered. I got taken on a freeway split lane where one goes one way and the other goes back on the freeway. An idiot in a pick-up truck nailed me as I was trying to get onto the fwy merge. I saw him coming up on me kind of late, but I knew I could have hit it and made the move to the merge (but I forgot that I didn't have the BMW power). It didn't work out. Had to hit the brakes and then pull in behind him. :mad: I know that the Xer won't disappoint in this regard, even if the 3.0 is not the same performer as the one in my 3er.

The MDX was pretty smoothe with not much road noise. The thing that my wife likes about it is that it has all the appointments, plus the rear DVD for our young one. If the Xer had the rear DVD, I think she'd be all over it. Hell, even the Honda Pilot offers a rear-seat DVD. Does anyone know if BMW has any plans to possibly add one. We probably make anywhere from 4-8 significant road trips per year, so it would come in handy at that time.

Emission
06-21-2003, 03:16 PM
I bought a small lap DVD unit for my son during roadtrips. I need to take a pci and post... It cost me ~$300.

SmackX54.4
06-21-2003, 07:17 PM
BMW does offer it thru their accessortets... Lookk at the website for it... about $1,500:thumbup:

Dennis
07-07-2003, 02:50 PM
Gotta share this story with you.

I've been a diehard Lexus owner for about 5 yrs. Have owned an LS400, LS430, and recently an RX300. A few weeks ago I test drove a 530i. Wow. Bought it a few days later. Then this weekend i was telling mah hunny that we should go drive an X5 and dump the RX300. We drove the X5. Liked it alot, and then I suggested that we just go see the Lexus dealer again and let her drive the GX470. No doubt that SUV was decked out more than the X5. Lots of gizmos and gadgets, and I am already familiar with the Lexus quality. But I decided to let her decide. We drove the GX470 back to the BMW dealer (I called him and warned him and he said "no sweat"). Got there, and she really liked the GX470. I suggested "just drive the X5 again and see what you think". I was already sold on how solid the X5 (and 5series) feels on the road.

We hopped in the X5 and left the lot. I swear we were 2 blocks down the street and she said "demo over. Let's buy the X5. This is Soooooooo fun to drive". So, gizmos don't always win. Drove back to the BMW dealer, told him to "wrap it up", and we returned the GX470. Traded in the RX300 for the X5 plus a small chunk of change and we left happy; now a 2 bimmer family and proud of it.

All is good.
dc

intex98
07-07-2003, 04:52 PM
Gotta share this story with you.

I've been a diehard Lexus owner for about 5 yrs. Have owned an LS400, LS430, and recently an RX300. A few weeks ago I test drove a 530i. Wow. Bought it a few days later. Then this weekend i was telling mah hunny that we should go drive an X5 and dump the RX300. We drove the X5. Liked it alot, and then I suggested that we just go see the Lexus dealer again and let her drive the GX470. No doubt that SUV was decked out more than the X5. Lots of gizmos and gadgets, and I am already familiar with the Lexus quality. But I decided to let her decide. We drove the GX470 back to the BMW dealer (I called him and warned him and he said "no sweat"). Got there, and she really liked the GX470. I suggested "just drive the X5 again and see what you think". I was already sold on how solid the X5 (and 5series) feels on the road.

We hopped in the X5 and left the lot. I swear we were 2 blocks down the street and she said "demo over. Let's buy the X5. This is Soooooooo fun to drive". So, gizmos don't always win. Drove back to the BMW dealer, told him to "wrap it up", and we returned the GX470. Traded in the RX300 for the X5 plus a small chunk of change and we left happy; now a 2 bimmer family and proud of it.

All is good.
dc

Congrats, Dennis! Welcome to the X5 family :thumbup:

Masskrug
07-07-2003, 05:18 PM
Patrick,

What's the word on the decision making process?

Emission
07-07-2003, 05:23 PM
Dennis,

Congrats on finding (two) new cars for your household. You'll find both the 530i and the X5 are both excellent vehicles, and a ton of fun to drive as well.

Good luck, and welcome to the Board!

hsk73
07-10-2003, 11:43 AM
Can't believer you guys are satisfied with space. :rolleyes:
Me and my wife love our X5. But, I wish it had more room inside and more cargo... If my kids grow as fast as they are now... I think I have to do back to Tahoe or Denali... I wish next models little bigger and may be come with 3rd row seat... :(

Emission
07-10-2003, 12:00 PM
Can't believer you guys are satisfied with space. :rolleyes:
Me and my wife love our X5. But, I wish it had more room inside and more cargo... If my kids grow as fast as they are now... I think I have to do back to Tahoe or Denali... I wish next models little bigger and may be come with 3rd row seat... :(

It all depends on your needs.

We have one child, and a dog. This time next year, maybe two children. Even then, the X5 will be plenty for our needs. If you have three kids now, the X5 may be a bit small.

We have never run into a situation where the X5 didn't hold everything we asked of it (my parents have a Suburban, and I could easily borrow it if the X5 is too small).

Funny to think my parents had five kids, and we got by with a station wagon just fine...

hsk73
07-10-2003, 12:23 PM
I have two kids, 3 year old and one year old. :D
I guess you are right, everyone has different needs. But, what's the point of having an SUV when you can't even fits four golf bags inside your cargo.
I should've bought Denali or Escalade... but, my wife wanted X5...

Emission
07-10-2003, 01:28 PM
"But, what's the point of having an SUV when you can't even fits four golf bags inside your cargo."

It's not an SUV. It is an SAV.

BMW has never claimed it was a "utility" vehicle (everyone just assumes that is the case). It is a "Sports Activity Vehicle" (SAV) that will take four people (and their luggage) off- or on-road, with better visibility than a typical sedan.

Think along the lines of the FX45...

hsk73
07-10-2003, 02:02 PM
SAV or SUV... it's small if four guys can't go play golf in one car.
And, FX45 has more space then ours... my friend just go one. :)
And, it's definatly not the car to take to long distance trip. You think it has enough room for luggages for four grown ups? You must travel very light. :D

Like I said I'm happy with X5, 99% of times. And, I'm not planning on replacing it anytime soon. All I'm saying is I wish it had more cargo space that's all. :D

Masskrug
07-10-2003, 03:05 PM
SAV or SUV... it's small if four guys can't go play golf in one car.
And, FX45 has more space then ours... my friend just go one. :)
And, it's definatly not the car to take to long distance trip. You think it has enough room for luggages for four grown ups? You must travel very light. :D

Like I said I'm happy with X5, 99% of times. And, I'm not planning on replacing it anytime soon. All I'm saying is I wish it had more cargo space that's all. :D

How big are YOUR golf bags? :dunno:

Four (?fore?) are fine in my X5. Maybe you got a smaller version X5?

Emission
07-10-2003, 03:37 PM
"And, FX45 has more space then ours... my friend just go one. :)"


Hard to believe, but until I see numbers (and I will look) I am not saying a word.

I have never put clubs in my car (never even played a full round of golf). I've put the kitchen sink, dog kennels, floor tile, plants and bushes, and racing tires... so far.

Emission
07-10-2003, 03:59 PM
I did some research...

Yes, the FX35 and FX45 are larger on the inside than the X5. Interesting (but it doesn't change my point).

hsk73
07-10-2003, 04:14 PM
Well, I'm not trying to make any point here... :D
It is obvious now that this car is big enough for you and it's NOT for me sometimes... There is no right or wrong answer here...

Emission
07-10-2003, 04:19 PM
Well, I'm not trying to make any point here... :D
It is obvious now that this car is big enough for you and it's NOT for me sometimes... There is no right or wrong answer here...

My point exactly.

I did learn something today (and I would have bet a ton of money on it - incorrectly) about the FX...

Enjoy the X5 (with just TWO of your friends!).

Patrick330i
07-10-2003, 07:51 PM
Patrick,

What's the word on the decision making process?

Mass, still working on it. Pretty much am focused on the Xer and MDX right now. Doubt I'll broaden the search to Lexus, but it is possible. I am really intrigued with your manual tranny Xer. Any chance you could post a pic? I think Jon had a pic of a manual up on the board after someone bailed on the sale. Man, my timing was just a bit off or I might have jumped at it. :)

Masskrug
07-11-2003, 12:09 AM
Mass, still working on it. Pretty much am focused on the Xer and MDX right now. Doubt I'll broaden the search to Lexus, but it is possible. I am really intrigued with your manual tranny Xer. Any chance you could post a pic? I think Jon had a pic of a manual up on the board after someone bailed on the sale. Man, my timing was just a bit off or I might have jumped at it. :)

Do you one better. You're up here now in oregon right? Why don't you drive it sometime? It's still not broken in yet, but you can rev it up to 4500, as long as you keep it under 104 mph! Anytime man. We can meet at the brewery...

Patrick330i
07-11-2003, 12:42 AM
Do you one better. You're up here now in oregon right? Why don't you drive it sometime? It's still not broken in yet, but you can rev it up to 4500, as long as you keep it under 104 mph! Anytime man. We can meet at the brewery...

Uh, you mean I can drive it after we come out of the brewery? :slap: :drink: ;)

Seriously, that would be cool. I am in Portland for at least the next 6 months, hopefully longer. :)

Masskrug
07-11-2003, 12:47 AM
Uh, you mean I can drive it after we come out of the brewery? :slap: :drink: ;)

Seriously, that would be cool. I am in Portland for at least the next 6 months, hopefully longer. :)

Yah...mebbe you should drag the missus along too. After all, it'll be HER car right? (plus it is my wife's car after all :eeps: )

PM me. We'll set up a time.

Patrick330i
07-11-2003, 12:51 AM
Yah...mebbe you should drag the missus along too. After all, it'll be HER car right? (plus it is my wife's car after all :eeps: )

PM me. We'll set up a time.

I'll have a litre of beer with that test drive and I'll let the missus drive my drunken ass home! :D Shall it be the Rogue? I'll drop you a note tomorrow. I feel like **** right now! :snooze:

mkh
07-11-2003, 12:57 AM
Pretty much am focused on the Xer and MDX right now. Doubt I'll broaden the search to Lexus, but it is possible. I am really intrigued with your manual tranny Xer.
Good for you. You are definitely in the right path. But please, please, don't go with the Lexus. Trust me, you will regret if you do that. Now it's an easy one: Need more space - MDX. Otherwise, X5-6sp. If the X5 comes with the same ZF 6sp as my ZHP, it is definitely the Ultimate Driving SAV, period.

SmackX54.4
07-11-2003, 06:21 AM
I can easily fit 4 guys and all golf bags in the X5. Everyone is more than comfortable all are 6' or taller.

Load them side to side and stacked 3 on the bottom and 1 on top of them. Pleanty of room for a cooler and all shoes....

If I needed more room, I'd have got the bigger truck, Navigator, Denali etc....

In the end get whatever makes you happy!

Masskrug
07-11-2003, 09:06 PM
I can easily fit 4 guys and all golf bags in the X5. Everyone is more than comfortable all are 6' or taller.

Load them side to side and stacked 3 on the bottom and 1 on top of them. Pleanty of room for a cooler and all shoes....

If I needed more room, I'd have got the bigger truck, Navigator, Denali etc....

In the end get whatever makes you happy!

Exactly about the golf bags. I don't understand how you CAN'T fit four bags and crew aboard???