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PK5
12-23-2008, 02:34 PM
Over the course of several drives Ignition key no longer turns all the way so it cannot be started.

It turns far enough to unlock the steering, maybe 1/4 of a turn, but not enough to even turn on the electrics let alone start the car.

The car has 115 miles on it so the key could be worn …but I’d think it wouldn’t turn at all.

Thoughts?

P.K

bimmer dot info
12-28-2008, 08:16 AM
The pin that locks the wheel is probably broken. Search this forum and bimmer.info and you should be able to find the fix.

PK5
12-28-2008, 11:27 AM
Thanks for the reply.

Hmm O.K. I'll do another serch with "pin" included in they word(s). "Ignition key turn" brings up thousands of irrelevant posts.

The wheel does lock and unlock, the key just doesn't turn much further to do anything.

Regards, PK

Viktor
12-28-2008, 11:39 AM
This happened to me very now and again it turns while the wheel is locked. Try jiggling the wheel left/right GENTLY as you turn the wheel and once its free you can complete the key turn.

PK5
12-29-2008, 02:05 AM
Thanks,

I did jiggle the key and worry it around every which way while wiggling the steering wheel around with no luck. I've successfully done that over the years with one car or another and it has always worked. Not this time though.

Regards, PK

branbiskitdo
12-29-2008, 11:35 PM
hey, i had somthing similar to this happen to me about 3 months ago. it feels like the keys almost turned enough to do somthing right? and it unlocked my stearing wheel. bad news if its the same thing i had.
the ignition was shot or somthing had to be replaced. $400.00 later.. and the morons put the stearing wheel on sideways? lol so now until i have time to take it back to them my signal stays on until i flick it of.

1992 535i by the way.

PK5
12-30-2008, 11:30 AM
You nailed it.

If it was $400, I think I know what that means, taking out the whole ignition/locking mechanism out. Nightmare, I did it years ago on my old 3.0cs coupe. Its like a cast aluminum cancer under the dash, bolted in tentacles everywhere.

Not my best hope.

Thanks, PK

Viktor
12-30-2008, 11:53 AM
There is a youtube video of a guy showing how to replace an ignition on his car. It looked very cost effective, of course you gotta buy the new ignition but the install process alone costs! Let me try to find it real quick.

Viktor
12-30-2008, 11:54 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tETEtb5Yr_o&feature=channel_page here it is

PK5
02-16-2009, 05:12 PM
Victor,

Finally got around to fixing my sound card and watching your video post. Thanks. My problem with his prescription is, I cant turn my key far enough to get it to the 2 notches prescribed in order to remove the barrel. Mine seems to turn only to the first notch, just enough to turn the wheel but no further.

Thanks PK

Novaz
02-17-2009, 04:16 AM
Mmmm, this doesn't sound good as it happened on my new purchase also. Started the car twice, but the 3rd time the key as you described wouldn't turn. Wheel was unlocked, but no electrics, etc.
Tried jiggling the wheel and using the spare key, but no joy. Then as if by magic it just worked, and has done since (about 20-30 times?)
Fingers crossed it keeps on working!

bimmer dot info
02-17-2009, 08:52 AM
I would at least pull the lock and throw out the pin. If it has broken your luck will probably run out at the worst possible time.

PK5
02-17-2009, 10:40 AM
Mmmm, this doesn't sound good ...Wheel was unlocked, but no electrics, etc.
Tried jiggling the wheel and using the spare key, but no joy. Then as if by magic it just worked, and has done since (about 20-30 times?)
Fingers crossed it keeps on working!

Those are the precice Symptoms, the key turns just enough to unlock the steering but not turn on the electrics.

I have when the mood hits me, wrenched the steering wheel and key every which way to no avail. Hate to depend on a gust of fairy dust to make it go. It's supposed to be my trusty old Nelly

Thanks for commiserating,

PK

PK5
02-17-2009, 10:47 AM
I would at least pull the lock and throw out the pin. If it has broken your luck will probably run out at the worst possible time.
I'm going to try but the prescription requires turning the key 2 notches. Mine wont even go to one.

I read a bit of a rambling elixir involving loosening 2 screw under the column somewhere. What are you proposing?

Regards, PK

bimmer dot info
02-17-2009, 12:58 PM
My last comment was for Novaz.
To get it out now that it is stuck requires a quite a bit more effort and possibly some luck.

PK5
02-17-2009, 03:16 PM
Thanks,

Fortunatly this not a problem. I have no difficulty removing the key when it's in the usual "off/release key" position

Andrew525i
06-09-2009, 06:27 PM
Hey I currently have this exact problem wondering if PK5 solved it? Thanks~!

PK5
06-09-2009, 09:02 PM
Hey I currently have this exact problem wondering if PK5 solved it? Thanks~!

Andrew, I got to your PM first...go there. In short I lost the key. no key no prob...grin

Regards, PK

Andrew525i
06-10-2009, 09:59 PM
After more research and pulling pretty much the dash apart I think I have a solution to this nasty.

Here's what a genius euro repair guy I know well said:

Your lock delima. If you have done the usual shake the wheel while turning the ignition key thing. Then we've had some that the lock mechanism that the tumbler sits in breaks & jams the tumbler from turning. In that case we grind off the break away bolts so as to loosen the lock assy from the steering column. There is a particular spot where to drill a hole (the most critical part) so as to release the tumbler assy. Remove the tumbler assy then fiddle with the lock drive till it releases & can be removed. Reinstalling is the easy part. Seems that part is 80.00 from our sources if you do not have power telescoping steering, but with air bag.

So looks like I will try this and I might be able to get some pictures up cuz it seems like a commonish problem. I'll keep everyone posted!

Also, as a note I found a way to start the car w/o the key, these cars could be sooo easy to steal if they don't have an immobilizer! PM if you want details.

PK5
06-11-2009, 09:56 PM
Andrew you the man.

I can visualize exactly what your saying as to the problem and, the end run. I still have not got a key made for it...I wonder if it matters.

I did something similar (don't recall why) yrs. ago on my old 3.0 cs coupe. I do remember striping away half the dash to deal with it .Then I remember spending hours hanging upside down off the seat chiseling away at this and that to get into the vault like steering column/lock.

So yes, if you can get me some pics off your work in progress or even pic of what need to be attacked I can probably figure it out.

Thanks much, PK

Andrew525i
06-15-2009, 09:33 PM
Well I fixed my problem tonight!!!!! After being so frustrated with this part all week i jsut took a hammer to the underside of the assembly where the tumbler is and gave a bunch of good whacks and violla key turned and started everything up, the BMW gods were shining on me for sure on this one! Now i carry a hammer in the trunk too!