Has anyone had 2nd HPFP Failure?

[azbimmer]

OK, so we all know that your 535i can have a HPFP failure at any time, and a large # of members of this forum have had it replaced under warranty, including myself. My questions is:
Has anyone had the HPFP fail again?

I am asking because I have 17K miles now, and am wondering if I should buy an extended warranty.

Cheers to all.

[Elias]

I would play it safe, if you bought the car I would get the extended Warranty, seeing the problems with the 535i early on theres a good possibility it could be a long term, if BMW doesn't get a permanent fix, why take a chance thats how I feel.

[jschulman]

OK, so we all know that your 535i can have a HPFP failure at any time, and a large # of members of this forum have had it replaced under warranty, including myself. My questions is:
Has anyone had the HPFP fail again?

I am asking because I have 17K miles now, and am wondering if I should buy an extended warranty.

Cheers to all.

Dealer first replaced the HPFP the first week of November, and again the second week of December.

[cr00klyn718]

Is the HPFP failure only limited to the 535 models?

[jschulman]

Is the HPFP failure only limited to the 535 models?

535i and 335i models due to the direct injection. I don't believe the 528i and 550i have a HPFP.

[bmrboy2008]

Does anyone know why BMW recalled the 3 series, but not the 5 series for this problem? :dunno: If they don't recall the 535's in the future, I will probably dump mine in a couple of years and buy a 2011 Chevy Camaro when they are released. I won't make the same mistake again and buy a first year model like I did with my 535i.

[djfitter]

Does anyone know why BMW recalled the 3 series, but not the 5 series for this problem? :dunno: If they don't recall the 535's in the future, I will probably dump mine in a couple of years and buy a 2011 Chevy Camaro when they are released. I won't make the same mistake again and buy a first year model like I did with my 535i.

The 535i may be a 1st year model, but the motor isn't, so that doesn't necessarily fly on your choice of seeing this purchase as a mistake. :)

dj

[KevinMR]

bmrboy2008 -- sorry I'm new to the board, but I gather from your posts that you haven't had a HPFP failure yet? Why worry about something that hasn't happened yet?

[bmrboy2008]

bmrboy2008 -- sorry I'm new to the board, but I gather from your posts that you haven't had a HPFP failure yet? Why worry about something that hasn't happened yet?

Tell me honestly, how would you feel after spending $60K for a new car and reading all these horror stories about a serious problem that "could" develop and leave you stranded somehwere, not to mention getting smashed up after losing power on a highway? :eek:

[bmrboy2008]

The 535i may be a 1st year model, but the motor isn't, so that doesn't necessarily fly on your choice of seeing this purchase as a mistake. :)

dj

Regardless, IMO it was a mistake to buy this car. Have you heard of anyone having this problem on their 2009 535i? Are the HPFP's still going out on the 335i's? In retrospect, I should have joined Bimmerfest before I bought my car. I probably would have opted for a 550i.

[southerndoc]

Regardless, IMO it was a mistake to buy this car. Have you heard of anyone having this problem on their 2009 535i? Are the HPFP's still going out on the 335i's? In retrospect, I should have joined Bimmerfest before I bought my car. I probably would have opted for a 550i.
I don't regret buying my 535i, which I won't receive until February. I'm concerned about HPFP failures, but not so much that I've become paranoid about it. If it happens, it happens. You can't sit around all your life being paranoid about every little thing.

[djfitter]

I don't regret buying my 535i, which I won't receive until February. I'm concerned about HPFP failures, but not so much that I've become paranoid about it. If it happens, it happens. You can't sit around all your life being paranoid about every little thing.

+1, my sentiments exactly. :thumbup:

dj

[skylolow]

Also keep in mind this is a forum and many people that find this forum find it because they're having an issue. Go to any car forum in the world and every model looks like its doom and gloom. On the Fuel Pump issue BMW seems to be working hard to get it fixed. Someone (I believe a BMW mech.) posted on one of the forums that BMW is on the fourth generation of fuel pumps for the motor. Though you'd think something as simple as a fuel pump won't be very hard to find a remedy for.

[bmrboy2008]

The good thing about forums is that everyone is entitled to their own opinion. After an exhaustive review of the 3 series forum and these problems, it appears to me that the percentage of HPFP failures on the 5 series thus far is too insignificant for BMW to do anything about it. I have read nothing to indicate that BMW is working hard to resolve the 5 series HPFP problems. I only hope this doesn't happen on the 2009 models. Good luck to all those who are buying one. :wave:

[Bigbadbull]

yep, the second one lasted less than a month....

[bbal]

Also keep in mind this is a forum and many people that find this forum find it because they're having an issue. Go to any car forum in the world and every model looks like its doom and gloom. On the Fuel Pump issue BMW seems to be working hard to get it fixed. Someone (I believe a BMW mech.) posted on one of the forums that BMW is on the fourth generation of fuel pumps for the motor. Though you'd think something as simple as a fuel pump won't be very hard to find a remedy for.

That's sounds reasonable, but in the meantime, BMW needs to pass along to it's dealers to stop blaming the consumer for using the wrong type of premium fuel. Unless of course they can configure the idrive to detect the exact percentage of ethanol in the fuel being dispensed by the pump next to the car.

[azbimmer]

We need to start a campaign to force BMW to extend the warranty on defective HPFPs. Any ideas on how to go about it?

[bmrboy2008]

We need to start a campaign to force BMW to extend the warranty on defective HPFPs. Any ideas on how to go about it?

So what else is new? Let's not just talk about it, let's do it!

[Mysticblue325i]

Does anyone know why BMW recalled the 3 series, but not the 5 series for this problem? :dunno: If they don't recall the 535's in the future, I will probably dump mine in a couple of years and buy a 2011 Chevy Camaro when they are released. I won't make the same mistake again and buy a first year model like I did with my 535i.
Sounds like you may be more unhappy with the type of vehicle you purchased, and you might be rationalizing on a future purchase. Going to a 2-door muscle car from a 4-door executive luxo sedan is a bit of swing. I do agree with you BMW should be more interested in the situation, however, I've purchased a variety of car brands and have joined many appropriate forums and EVERY ONE has horror stories to make one paranoid, Toyota and Honda included. The new gen Camry got terrible attention for a defective 6sp auto tranny with flare ups. Recent model year Honda Accords had ABS module failures and tranny problems. GM, Ford and Chrysler --- Far too many problems to even mention. Of course they only affect a small amount of cars, but those affected want to shout out and tell everyone, and the internet is a great way to do it. I realize your mind is made up about how you feel, and I really am not trying to persuade you to think differently. I just thought another perspective could be beneficial for other readers.

P.S. I did have the HPFP replaced, but I was in and out in 18 hours and with a loaner, so no worries here. Maybe if next year it happens again, I'll be whistling a new tune!:)

[calpalmer]

MysticBlue325i said it well... Most of the complaining and hand wringing does sound like cover for other matters, and/or is just hyped rhetoric based on justifiable disappointment in the few specific cases... What is the overall % of these failures -- as someone pointed out, it is very small and the silly poll on this site isn't any kind of indicator of the real statistics. Yes, everyone's free to have their own opinions about this (or any other) issue -- MY opinion is it's much ado about very little. Move on and enjoy the car; if you have a second failure, get it dealt with as you did the first. Meanwhile, don't sweat the small stuff. Just my opinion -- keep burning up the electrons on it if you want.
Cal

[bmrboy2008]

Sounds like you may be more unhappy with the type of vehicle you purchased, and you might be rationalizing on a future purchase. Going to a 2-door muscle car from a 4-door executive luxo sedan is a bit of swing. I do agree with you BMW should be more interested in the situation, however, I've purchased a variety of car brands and have joined many appropriate forums and EVERY ONE has horror stories to make one paranoid, Toyota and Honda included. The new gen Camry got terrible attention for a defective 6sp auto tranny with flare ups. Recent model year Honda Accords had ABS module failures and tranny problems. GM, Ford and Chrysler --- Far too many problems to even mention. Of course they only affect a small amount of cars, but those affected want to shout out and tell everyone, and the internet is a great way to do it. I realize your mind is made up about how you feel, and I really am not trying to persuade you to think differently. I just thought another perspective could be beneficial for other readers.

P.S. I did have the HPFP replaced, but I was in and out in 18 hours and with a loaner, so no worries here. Maybe if next year it happens again, I'll be whistling a new tune!:)

Thanks for the different perspective Mysticblue. At least you speak from experience.

[gagmd]

Just had my first HPFP change after 16 months with the car. Will let you know if it happens again

[bmrboy2008]

Just had my first HPFP change after 16 months with the car. Will let you know if it happens again

How many miles on the car.

[ratherbskiing]

My 535i was built in May 2007. No problems until November 2008 after about 15k miles and a full SW upgrade to address the jerky start from stand still. Shortly after the "Engine malfunction, reduced power" message at startup together with very rough idling after a minimum of 24h with no driving complete with very rough idling. The first 5 times it disappeared if I just stopped and started the engine. Last week that didn't help anymore and the little engine symbol stayed on showing that a fault code was stored. My dealer put in a new HPFP in about 3h the 31st of December after seeing that the FC was a "combustion problem" or something like that. Every day since than the "Engine malfunction" message appears with rough idling at startup. I'm bringing the car back on Monday for a new checkup. Annoying stuff.

[bmrboy2008]

My 535i was built in May 2007. No problems until November 2008 after about 15k miles and a full SW upgrade to address the jerky start from stand still. Shortly after the "Engine malfunction, reduced power" message at startup together with very rough idling after a minimum of 24h with no driving complete with very rough idling. The first 5 times it disappeared if I just stopped and started the engine. Last week that didn't help anymore and the little engine symbol stayed on showing that a fault code was stored. My dealer put in a new HPFP in about 3h the 31st of December after seeing that the FC was a "combustion problem" or something like that. Every day since than the "Engine malfunction" message appears with rough idling at startup. I'm bringing the car back on Monday for a new checkup. Annoying stuff.

Now what were you saying Geekmedic??? Watch out. It might happen to you!!!!

[skylolow]

Has anyone here actually called BMW US and talk to them about the HPFP failures???

Maybe they've come to a solution or on the verge of it.

Personally it seems to be hard to pin point what the cause of all this is. Doesn't seem to be any one thing causing the failures (which is chances why it hasn't been 100% resolved). You'd think if its a gas issue it would be like the plauge and spread quickly. Yet many have never had issues. So I'd almost rule out gas causing the problem. My guess would be more of a production issue. I'm not sure who makes the fuel pump, if different companys make parts within the fuel pump, who assembles the actual pump, and so on.

BMW is usually pretty good overall on issues if they turn into mass issues. I would think in the end if they figure out exactly what is causing the issue they will stand behind it. No reason for them to stir up a hornets nest if they don't have solution for the problem. So instead they fix it for free on a case by case for now.

[ratherbskiing]

Dropped of my car at the dealer today. They are very nice and have a service department with excellent reputation. The 3 hours from dropping off the car to put in a new HPFP last time was impressive to me even if it didn't fix the problem. Now they want the car a couple of days to make sure they fix the issue and gave me a loaner. I'll let you know the result. Btw the loaner is a 328i and man does it make me appreciate the 5-series and the twin turbos, so far it's worth the hassle, though I might change my mind if the problem isn't resolved this time around

[ratherbskiing]

The dealer just called me to let me know that they think they found the problem and that they have ordered some parts. The problem happened twice already while the car was with the dealer so they definately had a good chance to trouble shoot. It will be interresting to see what they are changing. My guess is that they will keep the car for most of the week.

[BMW1978]

All,
I bought the 2010 BMW 535i xDrive in December 2009. The HPFP failed on me within 45 days. I wasn't too disappointed with the issue though because I already knew about this recurring problem. The warranty covers it and for those of you who don't already know, my dealership confirmed that BMW has extended the warranty on these to a 100K miles. But, please do not take my word on this, do verify the facts with your local dealership or directly with BMW NA.

Good luck and be safe....

[vwvwvw]

I'm getting long cranking times and it looks like the HPFP is getting ready to go again on my 2008 E61. What a crappy design.

[Bart001]

I'm getting long cranking times and it looks like the HPFP is getting ready to go again on my 2008 E61. What a crappy design.

Is a long cranking time an early symptom? My hpfp was just replaced (2008 with 26k miles) and I did notice for a month or two before that that I was seeing longer cranking times.

[Munich77]

Yes long cranking times is a symptom of the HPFP going. In the days before the HPFP failing, it took my car forever to start up.

[Nube1kenobi]

My 535i was built in May 2007. No problems until November 2008 after about 15k miles and a full SW upgrade to address the jerky start from stand still. Shortly after the "Engine malfunction, reduced power" message at startup together with very rough idling after a minimum of 24h with no driving complete with very rough idling. The first 5 times it disappeared if I just stopped and started the engine. Last week that didn't help anymore and the little engine symbol stayed on showing that a fault code was stored. My dealer put in a new HPFP in about 3h the 31st of December after seeing that the FC was a "combustion problem" or something like that. Every day since than the "Engine malfunction" message appears with rough idling at startup. I'm bringing the car back on Monday for a new checkup. Annoying stuff.

Who flashed your software? Which dealership? I have a friend who did have some issues with his similar to yours. His started with a NAV or maybe it was just a general iDrive something. Software programming fixed it but not too much later afterwards the "Engine Malfunction" bugaboo started; it was fixed after replacement of fuel injectors, 2 of them - no HPFP. Okay ever since. :thumbup:

I am still on the original software (unless someone reflashed mine while I was drinking their free coffee:)), and I am hesitant and still am ambivalent towards that fix. I think there is a program and algorithm change in these newer software that focuses more on the combustion/fuel system issues to try to head off discrepancies and picking up a lot of false positives in an effort to quell the consumer complaints. Most, like my friend, will probably think that if my theory is true then I got my head buried in the sand and that my car is falling apart from under me and I need to have the software reflashed to find out.

We shall see. All I know is that day-in and day-out, my car is purring like a little kitten with the same get-up-and-go as before. This is not Windows and I don't need the newest sec bulletin to prevent people hacking into my iPod and ruin my timing belt.:rolleyes:

Out of sight, out of mind! Batter up!:thumbup:

[Nube1kenobi]

Has anyone here actually called BMW US and talk to them about the HPFP failures???

Maybe they've come to a solution or on the verge of it.

Personally it seems to be hard to pin point what the cause of all this is. Doesn't seem to be any one thing causing the failures (which is chances why it hasn't been 100% resolved). You'd think if its a gas issue it would be like the plauge and spread quickly. Yet many have never had issues. So I'd almost rule out gas causing the problem. My guess would be more of a production issue. I'm not sure who makes the fuel pump, if different companys make parts within the fuel pump, who assembles the actual pump, and so on.

BMW is usually pretty good overall on issues if they turn into mass issues. I would think in the end if they figure out exactly what is causing the issue they will stand behind it. No reason for them to stir up a hornets nest if they don't have solution for the problem. So instead they fix it for free on a case by case for now.

A lot of the people on this forum have had a chance to speak with BMW regarding their issues. These HPFP issues started with the 335's in '06, if my DD is correct, and had been here since up to and including the newer 2010 x35's. Who's to say how many of these repeat discrepancies are caused by remanufactured discrepant pumps and factory cleared pumps with "cannot duplicate" corrective actions (code A-799 in my other unrelated life's lingo)? Should they destroy all suspected HPFPs? That would be a bean-counter's nightmare and totally counter-productive, and I do not have any idea what BMWs policy is on this. For an image conscious company that it is, you can bet your bottom dollar that HPFP parts tracking and life cycle management has gained a few employees since this first started.