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tim330i
02-03-2009, 10:18 AM
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CHRISTOPHER BANGLE HANDS OVER HIS POST AS HEAD OF DESIGN AT THE BMW GROUP TO ADRIAN VAN HOOYDONK IN ORDER TO EXPLORE OPPORTUNITIES OUTSIDE THE BMW GROUP AND THE AUTO INDUSTRY

Munich - Christopher E. Bangle, the BMW Group's Head of Design, has worked closely with Adrian van Hooydonk in BMW Group design development for nearly17 years. Now he is handing over his post to van Hooydonk, who is currently Head of BMW Automobile Design. "Christopher Bangle has had a lasting impact on the identity of BMW Group's brands. His contribution to the company's success has been decisive, and together with his teams he has mapped out a clear and aesthetic route into the future," said Dr Klaus Draeger, BMW AG's Board Member for Development. Dr Draeger went on to explain that the BMW Group was currently "in an excellent position", thanks to a broad portfolio of automobiles and several new vehicle concepts due for market launch in the coming months and years. The BMW AG Management Board, he added, is looking forward to working with van Hooydonk as Head of BMW Group Design - a man who shares Bangle's fascination for technology and aesthetics, tradition and innovation. Dr Draeger affirmed that van Hooydonk would be in a position to continue to build on a design philosophy, which extends across the BMW Group's brands. Bangle's plan to pursue his own design-related endeavours beyond the auto industry marks the start of a new phase in his life while maintaining strong ties with the BMW Group.

Over the years numerous designs for new vehicles and vehicle concepts have been developed under Christopher Bangle's leadership. As well as continuing the BMW 3, 5 and 7 Series, he and his teams were responsible for a range of other models, including the BMW Z3, BMW Z4, BMW X5, BMW Z8, BMW X3, the new BMW 6 Series, the BMW X6 and the BMW 1 Series. Other developments under the auspices of Christopher Bangle include the new MINI and Rolls-Royce models and a number of innovative motorcycle concepts. During his tenure, Christopher Bangle was also instrumental in making the company's consultancy subsidiary, BMW Group DesignworksUSA, what it is today: a global design agency in North America, Munich and Singapore for leading international brands and companies in a wide variety of industries.

Thanks to their outstanding design quality numerous products from all three of the BMW Group's automobile brands have won a host of renowned awards from around the world. Bangle has always had a special aptitude for working with his teams to strengthen the identities and unmistakable images of the BMW Group's brands and to inspire design innovations, said Dr Draeger, Board Member for Development. Over the years he has received a dozen patents for his technical applications and design. These, along with the one hundred additional patents awarded to the BMW Group Design under Bangle's auspices, are a testimony to his creative and innovative power.

Born in the USA, Christopher Bangle, aged 52, has been Head of BMW Group Design Development since October 1992. After studying at the University of Wisconsin and the Art Center College of Design in Pasadena, he began his working life in Rüsselsheim, where he worked for Adam Opel AG. In 1985 he joined FIAT, where he became Director of the FIAT Centro Stile in 1992. Shortly afterwards he left the Italian automaker to come to Munich.

Throughout his career with the BMW Group Bangle's right-hand man has been Adrian van Hooydonk, who is now set to become his successor. He described van Hooydonk as "truly a top professional in our business," adding, "I am sure that the many strong design strategies he has helped us create for the BMW Group will continue to develop and evolve."

Adrian van Hooydonk, aged 44, will take over as Director of BMW Group Design with immediate effect. In his new position he will be responsible for design development for the BMW, Rolls-Royce and MINI brands. Born in the Netherlands, van Hooydonk studied at Delft Polytechnic University in Holland and later at the Art Center Europe in Vevey, Switzerland, until 1992. From there he came to Munich, where he joined BMW as a designer. In the year 2000 he went to California to work for the BMW Group subsidiary Designworks USA. He was Director of the internationally renowned design agency from 2001 to 2004. Then, under Bangle as the BMW Group's Head of Design, he became Head of the Brand Design Studio for BMW Automobiles.

The BMW 6 Series and 7 Series lines clearly bear the hallmark of van Hooydonk's design influence, as do the Z9 Concept Car, the BMW Concept CS (unveiled in 2007) and the M1 Hommage Study. In 1997 van Hooydonk created the ACV 30 Show Car for MINI and more recently he and his team have developed the designs for the new BMW 7 Series and Z4 as well as for the Concept Progressive Activity Sedan, which celebrates its premiere at the Geneva Auto Show in early March 2009.

"I am honoured and extremely excited to take on this new responsibility", says van Hooydonk. "BMW, MINI and Rolls-Royce produce the best cars and motorcycles in their segment, and I am really looking forward to being able to contribute to the future development of these brands." Speaking of his hopes for the years to come, van Hooydonk added: "I have no doubt that there are challenges ahead, but BMW's depth in engineering and the passion of its talented design team are as strong as ever. Together I am sure we will be able to create some very sophisticated and extremely attractive concepts."

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Monizzle
02-03-2009, 02:50 PM
http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m30/amerikanzero/ari_gtfo.gif

acerocks415
02-03-2009, 07:19 PM
The Bangle butt is gone:cry:

manithemoneyman
02-03-2009, 10:04 PM
funny how people only credit him for the so called "bangle butt"... the guy was a visionary who worked his way up the ranks and created models that werent just small, medium and large versions of each other and he deserves respect for moving BMW forward.

I'm excited to see what the next few years hold in store though for BMW...

RCK
02-03-2009, 10:06 PM
Not sure who I'm happier to see go...Bush or Bangle :dunno: :eeps: ;)

I will NEVER forgive him for slaughtering the 5 Series

:violent:

Armensti
02-03-2009, 11:40 PM
Not sure who I'm happier to see go...Bush or Bangle :dunno: :eeps: ;)

I will NEVER forgive him for slaughtering the 5 Series

:violent:

i will never forgive that assholeeeeeeee for slaughtering bmw. just cuz of him i cant get a new bmw i have to get a 06 or lower 3 series and a 03 or lower 5 series. i wish he just died before he had the chance to ruin bmw like the way he did. i dont really hate ppl but when it comes to him i would not hesitate to spit at his face : puke: <---- something like that

fm_illuminatus
02-04-2009, 01:21 AM
Good riddance.

Fiziks
02-04-2009, 11:33 AM
About damn time.

WA1KWA
02-04-2009, 12:46 PM
Ding Dong the Witch is Dead.

CAFleming
02-04-2009, 02:41 PM
Just to remind people--not only did Bangle try to assimilate several discordant design elements into one $ucked up design, he ALSO screwed up the interiors. The driver oriented cockpit, with the controls ergonomically arranged to the driver, was replaced with a bad, Bauhaus "designer" influenced interior, designed to photograph well, but which functioned poorly. The Bangle influence has been diluted out enough in the new 3 series that the cars are OK on the exterior. The current 5, 6, and 7 though,will be the Edsels of BMW design forever.

http://www.time.com/time/specials/2007/article/0,28804,1658545_1658544_1658541,00.html

cosmos
02-04-2009, 04:41 PM
Bangle designed the e46 and assisted AVH in designing the last 7 and the e60. Bangle did not pen these cars but was blamed for signing off on them. Nothing will change.

Lanc3r
02-04-2009, 04:43 PM
What is "Project i"?

Apparantly that was the straw that broke the camel's back.

obi.wan
02-04-2009, 06:53 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6Sao9OD7Gs

razzy530
02-04-2009, 07:40 PM
i will never forgive that assholeeeeeeee for slaughtering bmw. just cuz of him i cant get a new bmw i have to get a 06 or lower 3 series and a 03 or lower 5 series. i wish he just died before he had the chance to ruin bmw like the way he did. i dont really hate ppl but when it comes to him i would not hesitate to spit at his face : puke: <---- something like that

HAHAHA!!!! I have news for you....... That "asshole" as you put it, actually designed the E46 3 Series. :p And it is one of the best BMW sedans EVER!

MalibuMafiaV
02-04-2009, 10:12 PM
After making the E9x's he should quit.

p.s.
E46 best design ever.

scushkadee
02-04-2009, 10:55 PM
great so how about the x3, there's a winner. oh, don't forget about the z4. runner up.

Mark@EAC
02-05-2009, 12:22 AM
meh- I think everyone is a bit too hard on the poor guy. You design a car 100k people will have to drive and see how hot you are.

That said- they were talking about this on a jeep forum I frequent. One of the guys said he spotted a custom plate that reads "PREBNGL" on an older bimmer. I thought that was funny.

Armensti
02-05-2009, 12:59 AM
HAHAHA!!!! I have news for you....... That "asshole" as you put it, actually designed the E46 3 Series. :p And it is one of the best BMW sedans EVER!

well then i guess he became bisexual after designing the e46 because the new ones look like they were build just for women by a woman. im not a sexist but no gay guy or a bisexual should be allowed to design a car for real men, because when they do this is what happens.:sabrina::gay::gay::gay::gay::gay::gay: :sabrina:


this beautiful little thing right here
<a href="http://imageshack.us"><img src="http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/1205/bmwm5ip8.jpg" border="0" alt="Image Hosted by ImageShack.us"/></a><br/><a href="http://g.imageshack.us/img8/bmwm5ip8.jpg/1/"><img src="http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/bmwm5ip8.jpg/1/w487.png" border="0"></a>

turns into this piss of crap
<a href="http://imageshack.us"><img src="http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/9333/e60kw3.jpg" border="0" alt="Image Hosted by ImageShack.us"/></a><br/><a href="http://g.imageshack.us/img207/e60kw3.jpg/1/"><img src="http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/e60kw3.jpg/1/w489.png" border="0"></a>

( by the way im not hating on gay ppl or bisexuals, its just that i dont want them to be designing my car, and i dont have any proof of him being gay im just making fun of him which im allowed to do thanks to the constitution:thumbup:)

username47
02-05-2009, 04:10 PM
The dude made a big impact on the auto-industry and obviously is a visionary. He was supported by the BMW board of directors and those designs allowed them to move lotsa cars. I constantly see E60s in the area I live. Having said that I couldn't imagine myself driving one. So I'll hang in with my E39 for a while.

One of his approaches to the design was that the "revolutionary" look should follow (and be followed by) "evolutionary" look. This brings some hope that the upcoming F10 won't have those eyebrows and the goofy "smile".

Ed103
02-05-2009, 05:27 PM
These responses to Bangle are pretty funny considering that all BMW models designed by Bangle have sold better than their predecessors. Initially everyone was at least surprised by his flame designs, if not put off, but many reviewers and car magazines have come around. Combine that with the fact that the Asian makers have taken to some of his design elements, I'd say he's done well.

The idea of his designs being revolutionary then evolutionary are very obvious. Look at the Z3 and the two models of the Z4. You can slot the new Z4 between the old one and the Z3 and it would be an obvious evolution. The early images of the coming 5 series look like it's the same story.

Van Hooydonk is a great designer in his own right, but I think he will lean more towards the classical BMW shape. In the minds of some, that'll be fine, but I like the fact that since the early 00's BMW has been at the forefront of cutting edge car design, just like its engines and driving experience. Bangle's enthusiasm and love for design and BMW will definitely be missed.

manithemoneyman
02-05-2009, 06:50 PM
These responses to Bangle are pretty funny considering that all BMW models designed by Bangle have sold better than their predecessors. Initially everyone was at least surprised by his flame designs, if not put off, but many reviewers and car magazines have come around. Combine that with the fact that the Asian makers have taken to some of his design elements, I'd say he's done well.

The idea of his designs being revolutionary then evolutionary are very obvious. Look at the Z3 and the two models of the Z4. You can slot the new Z4 between the old one and the Z3 and it would be an obvious evolution. The early images of the coming 5 series look like it's the same story.

Van Hooydonk is a great designer in his own right, but I think he will lean more towards the classical BMW shape. In the minds of some, that'll be fine, but I like the fact that since the early 00's BMW has been at the forefront of cutting edge car design, just like its engines and driving experience. Bangle's enthusiasm and love for design and BMW will definitely be missed.

+1


Its funny reading some of the truly immature responses on this thread...

It's one thing to not agree with a design but hating on one man who has clearly accomplished much more than any here can dream about is just stupid. I dont understand why everyone is so resistant to change yet they always want something new... its tough being a pioneer in design. But you cant please everyone and those who dont like the designs just wont drive the cars. Or maybe they just cant afford the new ones and like to complain? :dunno:

cosmos
02-05-2009, 08:49 PM
project "i" is like a Smart car. It was supposed to be a modern day Isseta.

Armensti
02-06-2009, 12:59 AM
+1


Its funny reading some of the truly immature responses on this thread...

It's one thing to not agree with a design but hating on one man who has clearly accomplished much more than any here can dream about is just stupid. I dont understand why everyone is so resistant to change yet they always want something new... its tough being a pioneer in design. But you cant please everyone and those who dont like the designs just wont drive the cars. Or maybe they just cant afford the new ones and like to complain? :dunno:

i could afford your 25000-30000 7 series with no problems but i would never waste my money on that because every morning i would have to wake up looking at the bangle-butt. i hate this statement so much "" ohhhh you dont like the new bmw's because u cant afford it, ur broke and cheap cuz ur driving the older model"". Thats what most of the people think that have a newer body bmw. Like 75% of the people who buy a newer bmw dont know anything about their car because i have asked many people questions about the car they drive and the only thing they seem to know is that its a BMW. Thats why they bought it because of the name and they dont really care about the looks and after the lease is over their going to return it. im not hating on anyone besides bangle and i dont care how much he has accomplished because to me what he accomplished was destroying bmw. i dont care if his design sold more. if you compare the e39 drivers and the e60 drivers you will see how much the e39 drivers love their car, but for the e60 drivers once the lease is over or a newer model is out the car is gone. Im planing to keep my car untill its dead and once it dies on me im going to get a new engine and rebuild the whole car and keep it forever. find me a e60 owner that thinks like that. im sure you will never find anyone that loves his e60 as much as i love my e39, but u will find a e39 lover who loves his car as much as i do. Think about this after 20 years a well kept e39 would turn heads of BMW purist who love real bmw's but whos gonna be looking at a e60 and be like wow look at that car. NO ones gonna care about the e60 because its crap now imagine what it will be in 20 years. :tsk:

manithemoneyman
02-06-2009, 02:08 AM
i could afford your 25000-30000 7 series with no problems but i would never waste my money on that because every morning i would have to wake up looking at the bangle-butt. i hate this statement so much "" ohhhh you dont like the new bmw's because u cant afford it, ur broke and cheap cuz ur driving the older model"". Thats what most of the people think that have a newer body bmw. Like 75% of the people who buy a newer bmw dont know anything about their car because i have asked many people questions about the car they drive and the only thing they seem to know is that its a BMW. Thats why they bought it because of the name and they dont really care about the looks and after the lease is over their going to return it. im not hating on anyone besides bangle and i dont care how much he has accomplished because to me what he accomplished was destroying bmw. i dont care if his design sold more. if you compare the e39 drivers and the e60 drivers you will see how much the e39 drivers love their car, but for the e60 drivers once the lease is over or a newer model is out the car is gone. Im planing to keep my car untill its dead and once it dies on me im going to get a new engine and rebuild the whole car and keep it forever. find me a e60 owner that thinks like that. im sure you will never find anyone that loves his e60 as much as i love my e39, but u will find a e39 lover who loves his car as much as i do. Think about this after 20 years a well kept e39 would turn heads of BMW purist who love real bmw's but whos gonna be looking at a e60 and be like wow look at that car. NO ones gonna care about the e60 because its crap now imagine what it will be in 20 years. :tsk:

My mistake, I meant new... or if that's a piece of cake too then buy a house because those are pretty cheap these days. but that line was just to get another statement out of you which it did.

It's interesting how defensive you are about a particular design and yet you fail to recognize that BMW is a business. The design department will always be filled with guys dreaming of a lasting impact or a crazy design but its the business team that makes the decisions and at the end of the day it all comes down to profit. Bangle (and the rest of this team which everyone seems to forget) created a whole new design language for BMW and it worked incredibly well in driving up sales so really, they don't care about you so called "enthusiasts" with your whining... you guys aren't buying the new cars anyway so they might as well design them to get the attention of the people who have the money to spend and want to stand out in the BMW way.

I can easily understand that it's not everyone's taste, but just like you like the E39 I know plenty of people who absolutely love the current 5's and wouldn't look back, even after owning plenty of BMW's in their lives.

I mean really, you're basing your argument that you love your E39 sooo much and that other people just cant possibly like a different design than you... how that makes sense to you enough to start bashing other people over their jobs is ridiculous.

klu123
02-06-2009, 09:09 AM
These responses to Bangle are pretty funny considering that all BMW models designed by Bangle have sold better than their predecessors.

I think it's not only funny but also a BIG MSTAKE to conclude that BMW's sales goes up because of Bagle's design. Auto is not fashion, BMW is not Gucci. Maybe some women buy BMWs as Prada handbag-like luxo goods, but most men buy BMW as ultimate driving machines.

I bought a 535 not because of Bangle's style, but because of its 300hp engine. I don't like Bangle's design, but I still bought a BMW because underneath the skin, it's still BMW.

Yes BMW harvested sales growth in the past of 10 years, but it's mainly because of its improvement in many key things such as engine. Actually its growth momentum starten way before Bangle's design kick in. For example, E39 drove the sales of 5 into a new level started back to 1997.

Again, BMW is not Gucci. It is a damned good drving machine, not a handbag.

username47
02-06-2009, 10:11 AM
But there are trends in the auto-industry, just look at the car pictures in general relative to the time there were made. Everything one buys is somehow affected by current trends/fashions. Look at the new Acura TL with it's "pokemon smile". We are living in the era of smiling cars I guess.

I agree with everything said about BMW being the business. I would add that it's operations business mostly. Inventory/logistics/production. It is run by operations people with the highest profitability being the main target. Blaming one man just because he's visible is childish. Operations people prefer collective decisions where every stakeholder signs off on execution plan. If those cars wouldn't sell because of the design the designer would be fired immediately.

The main BMW objective was new market penetration and they've achieved this - BMW IS the status car in all "new economies." All that doesn't make me liking the E60 design though. But I like the looks of 335 convertible - so there is some hope for me there.

Money is not an issue for me. 5-series traditionally has been the "performance business sedan". It makes me their target customer. I hope their next design move would be to make 5 series to look mean and mean business. :)

bluebee
02-08-2009, 06:49 AM
Like 75% of the people who buy a newer bmw dont know anything about their car because i have asked many people questions about the car they drive and the only thing they seem to know is that its a BMW. Thats why they bought it because of the name

I don't disagree, and I won't lambaste Bangle as, (a) I don't know him, and (b), after two years with my blue bimmer, I've learned the BMW's core is systemic ... not tied to a single individual; it's on autopilot and will continue this way as long as there are buyers for what they build.

To clarify, I bought the BMW knowing nothing about it other than "people said it was a good car". Being a woman, I sought out myriad opinions from coworkers and friends, mostly male. I took their advice. I've lived with the result for a few years.

Conclusion? Well, they were right; and they were dead wrong. Those who knew what they were talking about were right, but, it turns out, they are in the vast minority (yes, I know, an oxymoron). That's the metaphor for BMW; an oxymoron. People "say" they are good cars but they don't know what they're talking about (bimmerfest board members accepted).

Why do I say that? Well, after two years of constantly working on my 2002 E39, I've come to appreciate much of what the design elements you guys appreciate about bimmers (likewise with the bikers and their beemers); but also I've slowly come to abhor the inattention to design where BMW management just doesn't seem to care about important things.

I could mention specifics but just search for my posts and you'll see plenty of details ... suffice to say that BMW itself, the corporate structure, the designers, their leadership, the engineers, all, seem to be attending to the hard stuff well (handling, performance, smoothness, braking, etc.) but totally failing on the really easy stuff (i.e., the recycled window cover (http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=147492) materials that fail in two years, jack pads that constantly fall off (http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=267424), cluster & MID pixels (http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=340108&)that drop out due to a pressure-sensitive sticky, an FSU that can't even run a simple interior blower (http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=143393&highlight=), a radiator that can't even hold water under heat and pressure, an American arm rest & telephone combo that is pure torture for both purposes, cheap paint on the roundel (http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=331631) that flakes off in a car wash, flimsy plastic lower seat covers (http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=282360) that scratch white and easily break, lousy cupholders that don't work and which snap off (http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=288420) with the slightest pressure, an A/C condenser placed where it can't dry out so it blows stinky mold (http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=325616) into the "luxury" cabin for your guests, a ventilation system that has no "off' button so you have to click fifteen times to shut the stink off, etc.).

I repeat those 75% don't know what they're talking about when they say BMW is "designed well". Bull donk. The overall design stinks. There is a severe lack of attention to detail on the stuff that also counts. I am convinced there was absolutely no quality testing on the components that I list above because the faults are manifest.

Now, I will say BMW advertising is designed well. And the hard stuff, the power train, the steering, the suspension & braking the performance, the handling on curves, wipers (http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=328826), etc. ... all that is G-R-E-A-T (well, except for that horrid clunk when braking over bumps (http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=81465) that BMW NA won't admit to, what's with that?).

I say, now that I know what I'm talking about, that those 75% who buy a BMW because of overall design are full of it.

The BMW is a good car; it's just not anywhere near a great car mainly because it gets A's in the design of the hard stuff yet it fails miserably on the myriad of easy things --- such that an overall better-designed car can beat it in the design arena because of more consistent attention to what really matters in an automobile (Hint: The outside looks, the angel eyes, the Bangle butt, the cold black sport trim, etc. aren't what I care about).

I care about D-E-S-I-G-N and BMW gets a solid B solely because of the oxymoronic systemic company-wide inattention to the small stuff with concurrent attention to the hard stuff. This isn't Bangle. And it isn't the body. It's the guts, the core of the car; it's what makes up the "stuff" of a BMW.

Bangle didn't design the guts, BMW engineers did, BMW management did, BMW marketing did ... this supreme lack of attention to "the small stuff" is a culture that is pervasive in BMW Munchen and is no fault of Bangle himself.


http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=174278&stc=1&d=1234101737

username47
02-08-2009, 08:06 AM
It's interesting you've mentioned the "cultural differences". I've been working in Germany in 1995 for a year - essentially when the E39s were built. I drove and been driven around quite a bit in different cars by several people. People smoked a lot but _never_ took a beverage in the car. It's not like they've been saying "I shouldn't drink in the car" - they didn't even think this way.

We would go for a 3 hour business trip with my boss - he would make exactly 6 sigarettes to smoke exactly every 1/2 hour - and then he'd floor it in the autobahn - never even idea of drinking came to mind. The 200-220 km/h driving was the routine. We've used opels for those business trips. Every BMW I've seen on autobahn was going at least 230.

BMW was one of our customers (software) so I've heard some rumors about design decisions and "crazy americans" - in terms that americans constantly sue everybody and constantly drink in their cars(can you imagine that?)

So the main design elements - safe and stable on mind-boggling speeds with regular driver, lots of ashtrays and cupholders that are built as a checkbox for an american market - they all there and make perfect sense if you look at it from their prospective and that time.

Here in US people never drive this speeds on daily basis - may be only when they flee from cops or something. And they drink (eat, groom, use cellphones - you name it) in their cars a lot. So E39 main quality - being an ultimate driving machine - is severely under-appreciated. I mean people know it handles well but pretty much everything handles well now within 80mph range. On the other hand the "look at me" factor here is very important. It's also very important in "new economies".

So that's exactly what the BMW management has done - they've changed the car design to look "expensive" inside and out. It turns heads. And it worked. BMW was very successful last decade because cars looked the way they looked and people in US with it's speed limits and "new rich" in China/India/Russia where roads are crappy and traffic jams are everywhere appreciated the new design.

E39 is from another era. In a way it is a last "pure" BMW car.
Donna, did you look at new X3? It's a fine example of a good "domesticated" car.

Scott ZHP
02-08-2009, 10:20 AM
Bangle designed the e46 and assisted AVH in designing the last 7 and the e60. Bangle did not pen these cars but was blamed for signing off on them. Nothing will change.

Exactly. It's ironic that people are celebrating his successor, when he's the guy that penned alot of the ugliness you see today.

Lanc3r
02-08-2009, 11:34 AM
Nothing will change under Hooeydonk. The very elements we most despise, he penned.

bluebee
02-09-2009, 09:15 AM
"cultural differences" - they didn't even think this way.

Your response was beautiful. I do believe BMW has good designers, and, well, Bangle, may be one of them ... and I agree with you, the entire culture is different over there in Bavaria ...

But, I really wish the Germans cared more about overall quality. I really do. I mean, why do I have to suffer so every time I place my thin unprotected elbows on that impossible (American version) E39 arm rest? Or why do the floor mats rip off their thinly glued velcro backing. Or why is an horribly expensive radiator made of cheap recycled plastic anyway? Or why does it cost me $100 or more just to switch my door locks (http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=270435) off (I've ordered the Carsoft (http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=337854)so I'll solve that problem for under $100 in parts!), etc.

Anyway, my point (and yours) is that Bangle is just one of many in a culture that is, shall we say, a bit different than ours.

It would be nice to see the difference in a chart between Bavarian and American culture:
BAVARIAN: AMERICAN
- Drive hard and fast (120mph?) -...- Drive like little old ladies (80mph)
- Smoke incessantly -...- Don't smoke (for the most part)
- Don't talk while driving -...- Constantly on the phone (or fiddling with the iPod use model).
(http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3705444&postcount=1819) - Germans??? -...- Americans???

Walksbimmer
02-09-2009, 11:50 AM
I guess it's safe to sum all this up as "Bangle fumbles".... My 5 series is a 2000 and when I see the new 5's on the freeway or on the street, I still think the body style of mine beats those hands down... I just can't get into the smashed frog face and the tailights that look like the eyes of a hawk when they're lit up at night... we'll see if BMW makes a clear break from his design or "soften's the landing" so they don't offend anyone...

username47
02-09-2009, 12:22 PM
I guess it's safe to sum all this up as "Bangle fumbles".... My 5 series is a 2000 and when I see the new 5's on the freeway or on the street, I still think the body style of mine beats those hands down... I just can't get into the smashed frog face and the tailights that look like the eyes of a hawk when they're lit up at night... we'll see if BMW makes a clear break from his design or "soften's the landing" so they don't offend anyone...

I'm with you - couldn't imagine owning one. E60 certainly is an eye catcher if you see it once a day. If you see too many of them than this "look at me" design doesn't work. So I reap benefits - when I park my well-maintained 540 next to several smiling E60s thats ME who feel unique and special. :)

porksoda
02-10-2009, 01:38 PM
I have had an E39 for a long time and i will agree the E60 to me first was an abomination but i will also agree that its a great head turner and to me has grown on me...

I will probably buy one just before the z10 is introduced.

I also agree that the 7 is not very good looking by bangle but i think it is just limited to 7.

Walksbimmer
02-10-2009, 03:47 PM
Pork... I agree... it's an abomination for sure... LOL... Usually, given some time, things like this "can" grow on you... it's like hearing a song repeatedly on the radio and at first you can't stand it, but it will eventually have you humming along... this car, after being out... hmmm... how long now?... hasn't grown on me yet... LOL... I'm really curious to see what the next gen will look like... you'know the post-modernistic Bangle look...

Riskant
02-11-2009, 09:08 AM
Let's just see what Hooydonk has in store...
He's dutch so I trust him all the way... :D

Don't think it's gonna change much cause he worked with Bangle for over 17 years... ;)


Grtzz..

Walksbimmer
02-11-2009, 10:05 AM
Everyone loves the Dutch... LOL.... ooooohhhh... for 17 years? jeez... that's makes him Bangle's understudy... which means exactly what you said... much probably won't change... like my niece would say... eeeeewwwwwww....

username47
02-11-2009, 10:20 AM
Based on Bangle's views, the next 5 should be an "evolutionary" car whatever BMW design team means by that.

Walksbimmer
02-11-2009, 11:56 AM
I saw some pictures of the new 7 series... the skin is... hmmm... an interesting design...

klu123
02-13-2009, 01:47 PM
Looked at my e60 again. To be fair, Chris Bangle did introduce many new design elements. Some of them are beautiful, such as the "Angel Eye", I like it. But some are extremely ugly, such as the butt. "Bangle Butt" is probably one of his design signatures showing up on every "Bangle models", 7, 5, you name it. The reality is - many people don't like it.

Bangle's design team also introduce a lot of changes to the interior. IMO, it looks more upscale then e39, it's beautiful, but a little bit too feminine. Yes, BMW needs to attract female drivers, but according to a demographics study, 72.1% of 5er drivers are male - the highest among mid-luxury car sector. I don't mean turning BMW into Corvettet-like "man's car", but its interior design should be in sync with its name, "the ultimate driving machine". Last, he could borrow many fashion design elements from Versace or Ferragamo, but trhe bottom of line is - this is a German car.

BMW stands for Bavaria Motor Works, not Beautiful Milan Works. In that sense, Chris Bangle maybe a genius fashion design, but he is definitely a bad bad auto designer.

So let's celebraate for his departure. Hopefully that Dutch guy could give us something more back-to-basic German design.

BMW318i_E36
02-14-2009, 11:01 PM
Bush is gone, Bangle is gone ! Wow the world just got a little better. What do you guys think of the new guys designs?

kglesq
02-15-2009, 11:20 AM
As I read all of these armchair quarterbacks venting spleen on the work (both actual and alleged) of Chris Bangle, the first thing that comes to mind is the below quote from Theodore Roosevelt:

"It is not the critic who counts, not the man who points out how the strong man stumbled, or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes short again and again, who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, and spends himself in a worthy cause, who at best knows achievement and who at the worst if he fails at least fails while daring greatly so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat."

Honestly, the idea that you Walmart art critics would have somehow done better in his shoes is laughable.

manithemoneyman
02-15-2009, 02:44 PM
as i read all of these armchair quarterbacks venting spleen on the work (both actual and alleged) of chris bangle, the first thing that comes to mind is the below quote from theodore roosevelt:

"it is not the critic who counts, not the man who points out how the strong man stumbled, or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes short again and again, who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, and spends himself in a worthy cause, who at best knows achievement and who at the worst if he fails at least fails while daring greatly so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat."

honestly, the idea that you walmart art critics would have somehow done better in his shoes is laughable.

+1

klu123
02-16-2009, 03:02 PM
Honestly, the idea that you Walmart art critics would have somehow done better in his shoes is laughable.

Most of us don't even have the qualification of running the White House, of course, we can't claim we could do a better job than George Bush did. According to your logic, all of us, the "Walmart Critics", should shut up and stop criticizing the Bush Administration, right? Let's imangine how Bush's spoekeman answers questions:

"Iraq war? So you think you could better command a war?"... "You never commanded a war? Then shut up!"

"Wallstreet meldown? So you think you could better manage trillion dollor budget?" ... "You never even managed a billion dollaw budget? Then shut up!"

...

kglesq
02-16-2009, 06:53 PM
Most of us don't even have the qualification of running the White House, of course, we can't claim we could do a better job than George Bush did. According to your logic, all of us, the "Walmart Critics", should shut up and stop criticizing the Bush Administration, right? Let's imangine how Bush's spoekeman answers questions:

"Iraq war? So you think you could better command a war?"... "You never commanded a war? Then shut up!"

"Wallstreet meldown? So you think you could better manage trillion dollor budget?" ... "You never even managed a billion dollaw budget? Then shut up!"

...

Neither I nor Mr. Roosevelt said anything of the sort, but if that's what you elect to take away from it, I suppose that's your business.

pharding
02-16-2009, 06:56 PM
zzzzzzz

pharding
02-16-2009, 07:14 PM
Chris Bangle did great things for BMW and BMW Enthusiasts. He certainly was the driving force in taking BMW to the leading edge of automobile design, which resluted in strong sales growth.

Riuster
03-04-2009, 08:58 PM
Finally...Adios

agaafear
03-09-2009, 05:30 PM
I think the current 5 series is a great design and one that is going to age very well. It's predecessor (E39?)was also a nice design but it was definitely on the bland side. I think the 7 series was heavy handed, the 1 series hatch badly proportioned and the 3 series spot on. The X5 is much better looking than any rival and the Z4 is a very sexy design. I think Bangle challenged with his designs and that's the way it should be. Otherwise there would be the slight evolution of existing designs which become boring after a while. There is also brand identity and image to be considered and Bangle definitely has given the BMW brand a sharper and more unique look. Certainly, sales numbers have not diminished.

straightnochase
03-22-2009, 12:51 AM
bangle = hooydonk.

Lanc3r
03-22-2009, 09:25 AM
bangle = hooydonk.

+1

E38 = Boyer :thumbup:
Z4 = Anders :thumbup:
X5 = Chapman :thumbdwn:
Z3 = Nagashima :thumbup:
E31 = Kapitza :thumbup::thumbup:
E61 = Hooydonk:thumbdwn:
E46 = Goplen :thumbup::thumbup:
E36 = Boyer :thumbup::thumbup:
E39 = Nagashima :thumbup::thumbup:
X3 = Valesco :thumbdwn:
E60 = Arcangelli :thumbup:
E65 = Hooydonk:thumbdwn:
Z8 = Fisker :thumbup::yikes:

w5lx
05-06-2009, 12:06 PM
Not sure who I'm happier to see go...Bush or Bangle :dunno: :eeps: ;) I will NEVER forgive him for slaughtering the 5 Series
:violent:

I had no idea Bush was responsible for the Bangle Butt too!!!!

tim330i
12-29-2009, 12:56 PM
An interesting follow up article for anyone that wants to read what Chris Bangle is up to -

http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/News/Search-Results/Industry-News/CAR-interviews-Chris-Bangle-what-he-did-next/

Tim

w5lx
12-29-2009, 01:04 PM
An interesting follow up article for anyone that wants to read what Chris Bangle is up to -Tim

I'm sure glad he is just consulting, and not designing BMW's anymore. Unfortunately his influence remains and will be visible for quite some time.

WhoozYaDaddy
12-31-2009, 05:30 PM
Love him or hate him, he grew BMW and at least didn't design cookie cutter cars. I am sure he could really give a rats ass about what others think anyways.