Auto vs manual bmw

[AJ Gure]

OK, i know most cars are faster if they are manual compared to their automatic brothers, but i was wondering what would be the average difference in acceleration 0-60mph between most 3 series.

I have a stock 92 BMW 325i does anyone know how much quicker the manual is against the automatic i'm guessing 1 second difference? :dunno:

[Progress]

OK, i know most cars are faster if they are manual compared to their automatic brothers, but i was wondering what would be the average difference in acceleration 0-60mph between most 3 series.

I have a stock 92 BMW 325i does anyone know how much quicker the manual is against the automatic i'm guessing 1 second difference? :dunno:

Honestly. It depends on the driver.. If you suck at shifting you could totally bomb any race.

[max5roadster]

heres a start. i think these are all based on manual trans times:
1971 BMW 1600 11.6 18.2
1968 BMW 2002 11.3 17.9
1983 BMW 318i 9.6 17.3
1984 BMW 318i 11.6 18.3
1990 BMW 318is 8.8 16.5
1991 BMW 318is 10.0 17.3
1992 BMW 318i 9.7 17.2
1994 BMW 318is 10.1 17.5
1995 BMW 318i 8.8 16.6
1995 BMW 318i Conv. 9.7 17.4
1995 BMW 318ti 8.9 16.6
1996 BMW 318ti 8.4 16.4
1977 BMW 320i 12.3 18.2
1980 BMW 320i 12.1 18.7
1980 BMW 320i Turbo 7.3 15.6
1984 BMW 325e 8.4 16.3
1985 BMW 325e 9.2 16.6
1986 BMW 325es 8.6 16.4
1987 BMW 325es 9.0 16.7
1988 BMW 325is 7.5 15.7
1988 BMW 325iX 7.9 15.9
1988 BMW 325i Conv. 7.7 15.7
1989 BMW 325i 7.5 15.5
1990 BMW 325i 7.8 16.0
1992 BMW 325i 7.8 15.8
1993 BMW 325i 8.4 16.5
1993 BMW 325is 7.4 15.7
1994 BMW 325i 7.4 15.5
1994 BMW 325is 7.2 15.9
1994 BMW 325i Conv. 7.3 15.9
1995 BMW 325i 7.7 16.0
1995 BMW 325i Conv. 9.1 16.9
1996 BMW 328i Sport 6.4 15.0
1998 BMW 328is 6.2 14.7
1999 BMW 328i 6.9 15.2
2001 BMW 330i 6.1 14.8
1979 BMW 528i 8.2 N/A
1982 BMW 528e 10.3 17.5
1983 BMW 533i 7.7 15.8
1985 BMW 524td 11.7 18.2
1986 BMW 524td 11.0 18.1
1986 BMW 535i 7.9 16.1
1989 BMW 535i 7.0 15.5
1990 BMW 525i 8.0 16.1
1990 BMW 535i 8.6 16.5
1991 BMW 525i 8.4 16.2
1992 BMW 525i 9.6 17.5
1993 BMW 525i Touring 10.0 17.8
1993 BMW 535i 8.2 16.3
2003 BMW 525i wagon-8.9, n/a
1993 BMW 540i 6.9 15.3
1994 BMW 530i 7.0 15.5
1994 BMW 530i Touring 8.9 16.7
1994 BMW 540i 7.9 16.0
1995 BMW 540i 6.2 14.8
1996 BMW 525i Touring 8.8 16.8
1996 BMW 540i Sport 5.8 14.4
1997 BMW 528i (auto) 7.5 15.8
1997 BMW 528i (manual) 6.8 15.3
2001 BMW 528i 7.8 16.1
1997 BMW 540i 6.2 14.6
1998 BMW 540i Sport 5.5 14.0
2001 BMW 540i (Automatic) 5.7 14.3
2001 BMW 540i 6-Speed 5.5 14.0
1977 BMW 630CSi 11.0 17.3
1983 BMW 633CSi 7.7 16.0
1985 BMW 635CSi 8.2 16.0
1987 BMW 635CSi 8.5 16.3
1988 BMW 635CSi 7.7 16.0
1980 BMW 733i (4spd) 8.4 16.6
1980 BMW 733i (Auto) 10.5 17.5
1982 BMW 745i 8.5 16.6
1986 BMW 735i 9.1 16.7
1987 BMW 735i 9.1 16.8
1988 BMW 735i 9.3 17.0
1988 BMW 750iL 6.5 14.8
1990 BMW 735i 10.3 17.4
1991 BMW 750iL 6.5 14.8
1993 BMW 740i 6.8 15.3
1993 BMW 750iL 7.7 15.8
1994 BMW 740iL 7.7 15.9
1994 BMW 750iL 7.7 15.9
1995 BMW 740i 8.4 16.6
1995 BMW 740iL 7.9 16.0
1995 BMW 750iL 6.3 14.8
1996 BMW 740i 7.7 15.9
1996 BMW 750iL 6.4 14.7
1999 BMW 750iL 7.3 15.5
1991 BMW 850i 7.4 15.6
1992 BMW 850i 7.3 15.6
2003 BMW 760il 5.7, n/a
1994 BMW 840Ci 7.4 15.6
1994 BMW 850CSi 5.3 13.9 (C&D April '94)
1994 BMW 850i 6.3 14.9
1998 BMW M Roadster 5.1 13.7
2002 BMW M Roadster 4.5 13.1
1999 BMW M Coupe 5.4 13.8
1981 BMW M1 6.2 14.6
1987 BMW M3 8.1 16.1
1988 BMW M3 7.1 15.4
1995 BMW M3 6.2 14.6
1995 BMW M3 Lightweight 5.3 13.9
1996 BMW M3 Automatic 6.7 15.3
1996 BMW M3 Luxury 6.6 14.9
1998 BMW M3 Sedan 5.5 14.0
2001 BMW M3 Coupe (U.S.) 4.8 n/a
2001 BMW M3 Convertible (U.S.) 5.4 n/a
2002 BMW M3 4.7 13.4
1988 BMW M5 6.3 14.6
1991 BMW M5 6.5 14.9
1993 BMW M5 6.2 14.6
2001 BMW M5 4.7 13.2
2002 BMW M5 4.8 13.3
1988 BMW M6 7.0 15.5
1997 BMW Z3 2.8 6.2 14.7
2001 BMW Z8 4.6 13.0
2002 BMW Z8 4.5 12.8
2002 BMW X5 4.6is 6.5 15.1
2003 BMW X5 3.0i 8.1 16.2
2003 BMW Z4 3.0i 5.4 14.2

[bimmerblack]

heres a start. i think these are all based on manual trans times:
1971 BMW 1600 11.6 18.2
1968 BMW 2002 11.3 17.9
1983 BMW 318i 9.6 17.3
1984 BMW 318i 11.6 18.3
1990 BMW 318is 8.8 16.5
1991 BMW 318is 10.0 17.3
1992 BMW 318i 9.7 17.2
1994 BMW 318is 10.1 17.5
1995 BMW 318i 8.8 16.6
1995 BMW 318i Conv. 9.7 17.4
1995 BMW 318ti 8.9 16.6
1996 BMW 318ti 8.4 16.4
1977 BMW 320i 12.3 18.2
1980 BMW 320i 12.1 18.7
1980 BMW 320i Turbo 7.3 15.6
1984 BMW 325e 8.4 16.3
1985 BMW 325e 9.2 16.6
1986 BMW 325es 8.6 16.4
1987 BMW 325es 9.0 16.7
1988 BMW 325is 7.5 15.7
1988 BMW 325iX 7.9 15.9
1988 BMW 325i Conv. 7.7 15.7
1989 BMW 325i 7.5 15.5
1990 BMW 325i 7.8 16.0
1992 BMW 325i 7.8 15.8
1993 BMW 325i 8.4 16.5
1993 BMW 325is 7.4 15.7
1994 BMW 325i 7.4 15.5
1994 BMW 325is 7.2 15.9
1994 BMW 325i Conv. 7.3 15.9
1995 BMW 325i 7.7 16.0
1995 BMW 325i Conv. 9.1 16.9
1996 BMW 328i Sport 6.4 15.0
1998 BMW 328is 6.2 14.7
1999 BMW 328i 6.9 15.2
2001 BMW 330i 6.1 14.8
1979 BMW 528i 8.2 N/A
1982 BMW 528e 10.3 17.5
1983 BMW 533i 7.7 15.8
1985 BMW 524td 11.7 18.2
1986 BMW 524td 11.0 18.1
1986 BMW 535i 7.9 16.1
1989 BMW 535i 7.0 15.5
1990 BMW 525i 8.0 16.1
1990 BMW 535i 8.6 16.5
1991 BMW 525i 8.4 16.2
1992 BMW 525i 9.6 17.5
1993 BMW 525i Touring 10.0 17.8
1993 BMW 535i 8.2 16.3
2003 BMW 525i wagon-8.9, n/a
1993 BMW 540i 6.9 15.3
1994 BMW 530i 7.0 15.5
1994 BMW 530i Touring 8.9 16.7
1994 BMW 540i 7.9 16.0
1995 BMW 540i 6.2 14.8
1996 BMW 525i Touring 8.8 16.8
1996 BMW 540i Sport 5.8 14.4
1997 BMW 528i (auto) 7.5 15.8
1997 BMW 528i (manual) 6.8 15.3
2001 BMW 528i 7.8 16.1
1997 BMW 540i 6.2 14.6
1998 BMW 540i Sport 5.5 14.0
2001 BMW 540i (Automatic) 5.7 14.3
2001 BMW 540i 6-Speed 5.5 14.0
1977 BMW 630CSi 11.0 17.3
1983 BMW 633CSi 7.7 16.0
1985 BMW 635CSi 8.2 16.0
1987 BMW 635CSi 8.5 16.3
1988 BMW 635CSi 7.7 16.0
1980 BMW 733i (4spd) 8.4 16.6
1980 BMW 733i (Auto) 10.5 17.5
1982 BMW 745i 8.5 16.6
1986 BMW 735i 9.1 16.7
1987 BMW 735i 9.1 16.8
1988 BMW 735i 9.3 17.0
1988 BMW 750iL 6.5 14.8
1990 BMW 735i 10.3 17.4
1991 BMW 750iL 6.5 14.8
1993 BMW 740i 6.8 15.3
1993 BMW 750iL 7.7 15.8
1994 BMW 740iL 7.7 15.9
1994 BMW 750iL 7.7 15.9
1995 BMW 740i 8.4 16.6
1995 BMW 740iL 7.9 16.0
1995 BMW 750iL 6.3 14.8
1996 BMW 740i 7.7 15.9
1996 BMW 750iL 6.4 14.7
1999 BMW 750iL 7.3 15.5
1991 BMW 850i 7.4 15.6
1992 BMW 850i 7.3 15.6
2003 BMW 760il 5.7, n/a
1994 BMW 840Ci 7.4 15.6
1994 BMW 850CSi 5.3 13.9 (C&D April '94)
1994 BMW 850i 6.3 14.9
1998 BMW M Roadster 5.1 13.7
2002 BMW M Roadster 4.5 13.1
1999 BMW M Coupe 5.4 13.8
1981 BMW M1 6.2 14.6
1987 BMW M3 8.1 16.1
1988 BMW M3 7.1 15.4
1995 BMW M3 6.2 14.6
1995 BMW M3 Lightweight 5.3 13.9
1996 BMW M3 Automatic 6.7 15.3
1996 BMW M3 Luxury 6.6 14.9
1998 BMW M3 Sedan 5.5 14.0
2001 BMW M3 Coupe (U.S.) 4.8 n/a
2001 BMW M3 Convertible (U.S.) 5.4 n/a
2002 BMW M3 4.7 13.4
1988 BMW M5 6.3 14.6
1991 BMW M5 6.5 14.9
1993 BMW M5 6.2 14.6
2001 BMW M5 4.7 13.2
2002 BMW M5 4.8 13.3
1988 BMW M6 7.0 15.5
1997 BMW Z3 2.8 6.2 14.7
2001 BMW Z8 4.6 13.0
2002 BMW Z8 4.5 12.8
2002 BMW X5 4.6is 6.5 15.1
2003 BMW X5 3.0i 8.1 16.2
2003 BMW Z4 3.0i 5.4 14.2

OMG dude, incredible...incredible

[bimmerbarbie]

All depends on how you drive it, Fizz.

[bimmerblack]

For the purposes of me being a slack ass: auto. For the purposes of looking mega cool and motoring: manual. For the purposes of me missing my bitchin RSX with the sport tronic: auto-kinda manual.

[99328ic]

OK, i know most cars are faster if they are manual compared to their automatic brothers, but i was wondering what would be the average difference in acceleration 0-60mph between most 3 series.

I have a stock 92 BMW 325i does anyone know how much quicker the manual is against the automatic i'm guessing 1 second difference? :dunno:

Would not even be that much of a difference maybe .5 and even that maybe less. It really depends on the driver more then anything.

[dinanm3atl]

roflmao

1995 BMW 325i Conv. 9.1 16.9
1996 BMW 328i Sport 6.4 15.0

Judging by this and adding on my hardtop. My vert is SLOWWWWWWW


Also Philip...


1995 BMW M3 6.2 14.6
1998 BMW M3 Sedan 5.5 14.0

Late Model. Faster and better.

[dinanm3atl]

Would not even be that much of a difference maybe .5 and even that maybe less. It really depends on the driver more then anything.

The difference will really come in the launch to be honest. If the manual guy can really get off the line and get that jump it could be up close to a second and maybe more. Shifting obviously can make up a little time. Also knowing WHERE to shift in the RPMs is important.

[E36 Phantom]

Also Philip...

1995 BMW M3 6.2 14.6
1998 BMW M3 Sedan 5.5 14.0

Late Model. Faster and better.
:bustingup

I know the site that was taken off of, and data can fluctuate wildly there. There's no way an M3 in stock trim is 5.5 to 60, sorry. I've raced (and beaten) my share of them.

The difference will really come in the launch to be honest. If the manual guy can really get off the line and get that jump it could be up close to a second and maybe more. Shifting obviously can make up a little time. Also knowing WHERE to shift in the RPMs is important.
It's about damn time someone said that. :thumbup:

[dinanm3atl]

I have watched an e36 M3 run a 13.9. Late model 1999... That is ~5.6 0-60 with the trap speed.




Yes, knowing when to shift is really the big clincher here. E36 M3 rides a pretty nice torque curve till around 6200-6500. With a chip you can go till 7200(Dinan) but why? You might as well shift and get back into MAX Torque range and keep on flooring it!

[E36 Phantom]

All stock?

[dinanm3atl]

All stock. It can be done.

I believe 13.9 was achieved by Car and Driver. Or it may have been Motortrend.

[Vanos4:12PM]

It's all about the driver too.

[e36mike]

who cares bout the straight line aspects of automatic. the reason automatic sucks is that you dont really have control over your gear selection and unless u have an m3 you only got 4 gears.

i mean cornering and goin through twisties is just ridiculous in automatic. takes fun away and you cant do it right because you cant select gears.

[AJ Gure]

1989 BMW 325i 7.5 15.5
1990 BMW 325i 7.8 16.0
1992 BMW 325i 7.8 15.8
1993 BMW 325i 8.4 16.5

im confused why is the 93 model doing such a honda civic type race i mean almost a full second off, thats bull a 325i going over 8 seconds.........

[max5roadster]

Never put much emphasis on times that mags generate as these can vary wildly given the amount of variables involved....

[denice25]

I think it depends on the driver on how they run a car...

[E36 Phantom]

Never put much emphasis on times that mags generate as these can vary wildly given the amount of variables involved....
Yeah, the times aren't so much what's important, rather how the times compare to other cars. Like dyno runs. The raw figure isn't the import part, it's your delta from your baseline run that you're looking for. The numbers are just good for comparisons, not expectations.

[B/\/\W]

The difference is night and day between manual and auto in terms of the driving experience. If you can't shift quickly and smoothly with a manual, you don't deserve one and should switch to an auto.

However, it also depends what car you have and what type of driving you do. Acceleration and driveability/flexibility is pretty useless in rush hour or when you are already cruising at high speed.

[BMWE46///M3]

Like everyone says it depends on the driver.

[325e restore]

Hey..who cares about 1/4 mile times...it's a bimmer, a true car not some dumb US made straight-line heap of ****! If you want 1/4 mile times..go buy a mustang or similar, coz it is very simple to acheive straight-line speed...just add HP! But, if you want to enjoy driving your bimmer HARD up a winding mountain pass...well it's not about red, amber and green lights..it's about "feel" and "running on the edge". I have retained the auto on my 325E as it is the origional box and I can still "blow the yank tanks to the weeds" playing with my selection of 4 speeds from my "origional" auto box! Mind you...200hp at the rear wheels does help, and NO...I did NOT have to bolt-on a 325I head..you can acheive this sort of HP with your origional 325e head and block..just spend the money and keep it origional "looking" and leave the Non-Thinking drag racing to the V8 morons who have a concerntration span of less than 10 seconds!!!????

[cjf351]

Uh-hu. ok.
I will try to not be insulted by that.
I will also try to not hijack the thread. But have you ever tried to harness 450hp and plant it to the track without turning your tires to useless smoke? Suspension geometry is as important to going fast down a 1/4 mile as it is to going fast around corners. Just different. It is not very simple to achieve streight line speed. It is very simple to waste rubber and do a smoke show.
Back on topic though, auto trannys are consistent. you will get almost the exact same shifts every time you mash the pedal. You also don't have to think about your clutch possibly slipping, or missing third gear and breaking parts. They also weigh a bit more.
So if you are a professional driver, on a track, in optimum conditions, (cool weather, clear skies), and you know exactly how to handle your car, you will be able to go about half a second faster in a stick than you will in an auto.
And that being said, stick is a lot more fun to drive on a daily basis. You control every shift point. You are in charge.

[cmy_bimmer]

Uh-hu. ok.
I will try to not be insulted by that.
I will also try to not hijack the thread. But have you ever tried to harness 450hp and plant it to the track without turning your tires to useless smoke? Suspension geometry is as important to going fast down a 1/4 mile as it is to going fast around corners. Just different. It is not very simple to achieve streight line speed. It is very simple to waste rubber and do a smoke show.
Back on topic though, auto trannys are consistent. you will get almost the exact same shifts every time you mash the pedal. You also don't have to think about your clutch possibly slipping, or missing third gear and breaking parts. They also weigh a bit more.
So if you are a professional driver, on a track, in optimum conditions, (cool weather, clear skies), and you know exactly how to handle your car, you will be able to go about half a second faster in a stick than you will in an auto.
And that being said, stick is a lot more fun to drive on a daily basis. You control every shift point. You are in charge.

:clap: NICELY SAID :thumbup:

[Corey Milne]

heres a start. i think these are all based on manual trans times:

1998 BMW 328is 6.2 14.7
1995 BMW M3 6.2 14.6
1996 BMW M3 Automatic 6.7 15.3
1996 BMW M3 Luxury 6.6 14.9


So a late model 328is is quicker than a 96 m3?????? :confused:

[B/\/\W]

So a late model 328is is quicker than a 96 m3?????? :confused:

Yeah, those figures are bull****. The below is what I'm sure they are.

E36 M3 US = 6.5 to 60
E36 M3 US late = 6.2 to 60
E36 M3 Euro = 5.8 to 60
E36 M3 Evo Euro = 5.3 to 60
E36 328i = 7.1 to 60
E46 325i = 7.0 to 60
E46 328i = 6.8 to 60
E46 M3 = 5.1 to 60

[trav3000]

auto verses manual will only be a few tenths of a second difference.

[AJ Gure]

Yeah, those figures are bull****. The below is what I'm sure they are.

E36 M3 US = 6.5 to 60
E36 M3 US late = 6.2 to 60
E36 M3 Euro = 5.8 to 60
E36 M3 Evo Euro = 5.3 to 60
E36 328i = 7.1 to 60
E46 325i = 7.0 to 60
E46 328i = 6.8 to 60
E46 M3 = 5.1 to 60

sounds about right better than the other shiit, now im gonna leave this topic and take a nice dump thank u very much :D

[Corey Milne]

Yeah, those figures are bull****. The below is what I'm sure they are.

E36 M3 US = 6.5 to 60
E36 M3 US late = 6.2 to 60
E36 M3 Euro = 5.8 to 60
E36 M3 Evo Euro = 5.3 to 60
E36 328i = 7.1 to 60
E46 325i = 7.0 to 60
E46 328i = 6.8 to 60
E46 M3 = 5.1 to 60

I have read from several sources that the e36 328i does 6.9 to 60.

[Philip81193]

Auto or manual? I've personally read slightly better for a manual 328i.