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ObD
08-09-2003, 02:07 PM
Installed Sirius in my E46. Took me all of 30 minutes. 15 seconds to plug in the Sirius receiver to the CD changer cabling in the trunk (fished cabling out last week) and the rest of the time was spent swapping out the MY 2002 head unit for a MY 2003 head unit with the correct software. I have confirmed the MY 2002 head unit software does not recognize the Sirius receiver.

Steps:

1) Fish out CD change cabling from left side trunk
2) Connect Sirius antenna to Sirius receiver
3) Connect Sirius to CD changer cabling in trunk (3 & 6 pin)
4) Swap head unit as required :D
5) Power on
6) Activate Sirius via Internet :D

My antenna is mounted on the rear package shelf. Leaving it there to see how well it works. Perfect reception sitting in the driveway.

Parts on the cheap:

OEM Sirius BMW receiver (discount via Circle BMW)
Terk antenna (cheaper than OEM BMW via Best Buy)
MY 2003 head unit (via E46 Fanatics - recoup cost later selling either unit)

Didn't spring for the mounting kit as it is $60 and I would need the CD brackets and left side trunk liner. Plan to use velcro and tie wraps I have on hand instead ... figure a couple of bucks :bigpimp:

I thought the first song I heard after the Sirius activation was appropriate. :bustingup

DN325CI
08-09-2003, 06:28 PM
Cool! How much was the receiver from Circle BMW?

Don

ObD
08-09-2003, 08:45 PM
Cool! How much was the receiver from Circle BMW?

Don

http://www.circlebmw.com/parts/acc.htm

OBS3SSION
08-10-2003, 07:12 PM
What does the BMW OEM antenna look like and where does it mount (compared to the Terk)? Just curious... wondering if BMW has licked the black mouse on the roof antenna.

ObD
08-10-2003, 08:28 PM
What does the BMW OEM antenna look like and where does it mount (compared to the Terk)? Just curious... wondering if BMW has licked the black mouse on the roof antenna.

The BMW OEM antenna is the same black mouse as all the rest of the first generation Sirius antennas and per BMW it mounts on the roof or trunk with adhesive. Most people put their antennas on the rear package shelf with minimal degradation of signal. The second generation Sirius antennas are about 1/3 the size, magnet mount, and are single wire instead of double. The Terk adapter from single to double wire for older receiver designs such as BMW's will be out in Sept.

sdwolff
08-12-2003, 01:58 PM
MY 2003 head unit (via E46 Fanatics - recoup cost later selling either unit)

What was the part number on the new radio?

I'm looking for a used radio and want to make sure i'm getting a Sirius ready radio. Are all '03 E46 radios Sirius ready?

ObD
08-14-2003, 06:06 PM
What was the part number on the new radio?

I'm looking for a used radio and want to make sure i'm getting a Sirius ready radio. Are all '03 E46 radios Sirius ready?

Update: ***** BMW states that ALL 2003 head units are Sirius compatible. So for units built in 2003 the yr from the week/yr digits are the important ones i.e. "03" the software version is not important. However for any MY2003 head unit manufactured in 2002 the SW version needs to be "50" *****

To access the headunit software version number and week/year build of the headunit:

With the ignition off, turn on radio.
Hold "m" key for ~ 10 seconds, until the unit serial number is displayed.
Press the key under the "+"
The week/year build of the headunit and the software version is displayed. The software version is the right two digits.

Sirius ready:

A software version than or equal to "50" and "02" in the year field for head units manufactured in 2002

--- OR ---

"03" in the year field for 2003 built units.


This information is also on a tag on the bottom of the head unit. Get the seller to take a pic of it.

Spectre
08-14-2003, 08:05 PM
All 03 radios are Sirius ready.
Except if you have the Nav. :( Looks like you're in luck, you should be able to do a head unit swap.

waxhaw
08-14-2003, 08:31 PM
Installed Sirius in my E46. Took me all of 30 minutes.

Outstanding! :thumbup:

My mechanical ability is such that if someone sent me off to find a screwdriver, I'd come back with vodka and orange juice, so I went the dealer-installed route. Cost me a couple hundred bucks more, but what the hell.

You'll love it. My only problem has been picking the 18 presets. The ability to identify the group and the cut being played (a friend of mine referred to it as "Singer ID") is alone worth the price of admission.

<img src="http://www.siriusbackstage.com/images/desktops/dogsmall.gif"> <img src="http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=15685&stc=1&thumb=1">

Frank Rizzo
08-14-2003, 08:44 PM
DUUUUDE!

You're the SCHIZ-NIT!!

I went to the stealer today to see how much a Sirius radio would be...A new radio is about $650, but a "Remanufactured" radio is only about $200 with an exchange......they list part # 65-10-6-927-903 as the CD radio for ALL e46's from 9/01 and on. I could not figure out how....but now I know!!!.....They do a software upgrade.

If my plan works, I'm gonna exchange my radio and look for the "50"....I'll keep you posted!



Thanks for the info!

ObD
08-14-2003, 08:47 PM
Except if you have the Nav. :( Looks like you're in luck, you should be able to do a head unit swap.

Yes, NAV is a different story. Radio is part of NAV so when I speak of radio, it's not the NAV unit. :D

ObD
08-14-2003, 09:22 PM
I'm looking for a used radio

Just noticed you have a MY 2001. Per BMW, MY 2002+ have the correct wiring for Sirius, so it allegedly won't work in a 2001. Don't know what is different, but I have anecdotal evidence they changed the CD changer wiring on the back of the headunit, so YMMV.

globemaster3
08-15-2003, 01:03 AM
i just moved from deutschland to the states, and after just a few hrs of driving my car around, i am tired of all the stupid radio commercials.
i never thought id be interested in sirius, but now i am.

i have an 03 330xi, w/nav & 6-cdc in trunk.
what options are there for me?

can anyone recommend an installation place (i'm with waxhaw) around OKCity, or Dallas?

thanks!
:drive:

ObD
08-15-2003, 05:58 AM
i just moved from deutschland to the states, and after just a few hrs of driving my car around, i am tired of all the stupid radio commercials.
i never thought id be interested in sirius, but now i am.

i have an 03 330xi, w/nav & 6-cdc in trunk.
what options are there for me?

can anyone recommend an installation place (i'm with waxhaw) around OKCity, or Dallas?

thanks!
:drive:

MY 2003 with NAV is not compatible with the BMW OEM Sirius unit, so you'll have to go aftermarket. You'll need an adapter for the aftermarket satellite radio and the OEM CD changer won't work with the adapter. Aftermarket CD changers will work with the adapter. Do a search on XM or Sirius for more info. Some people have gone to Circuit City, Best Buy, etc and had their installs done.

Frank Rizzo
08-15-2003, 06:10 AM
Did you buy the BMW Sirius roof antenna - or did you go with a aftermarket/Terk ?
Thanks

ObD
08-15-2003, 10:09 AM
Did you buy the BMW Sirius roof antenna - or did you go with a aftermarket/Terk ?
Thanks

Terk, it's $30-$50 cheaper depending on model than the OEM one at the discount internet price r.e. Circle BMW. Just remember the OEM BMW receiver has dual antenna inputs for the terrestrial and satellite connections. Terk makes an adapter for the single wire antennas to connect to a dual input receiver but it won't be out till next month.

eluder
08-15-2003, 10:14 AM
From what I've heard, users with NAV (2003) have to wait until September for their Sirius kit to be available. I can wait, I've got XM for the time being.

·clyde·
08-15-2003, 10:21 AM
What I find most intriguing is the text display.
http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=17619

Prior to MY 2003, the head unit was not supposed to be able to display text through the CD wiring (which is why the PhatBox and CD-MP3 changers can only display disc and track numbers).

ObD
08-15-2003, 10:42 AM
Prior to MY 2003, the head unit was not supposed to be able to display text through the CD wiring (which is why the PhatBox and CD-MP3 changers can only display disc and track numbers).

It scrolls too though not automatically. It's the version "50" software which does it. I'm sure the software could be reverse engineered providing the 2002+ headunit hardware is the platform, but not without significant effort.

Spectre
08-15-2003, 04:08 PM
From what I've heard, users with NAV (2003) have to wait until September for their Sirius kit to be available. I can wait, I've got XM for the time being.
No, from what I've read (here and in other places), Nav users prior to September are just SOL. There's no retrofit for pre-September 2003 Nav units.

missing23
08-15-2003, 05:04 PM
All 03 radios are Sirius ready. The software version is the number which really counts. To access the headunit software version number:

With the ignition off, turn on radio.
Hold "m" key for ~ 10 seconds, until the unit serial number is displayed.
Press the key under the "+"
The week/year build of the headunit and the software version is displayed. The software version is the right two digits. A number greater than or equal to 50 means it is Sirius ready.

This information is also on a tag on the bottom of the head unit. Get the seller to take a pic of it.

I have an 03 ZHP and my SV is 14-03 40...does this mean I am out of luck? Thanks!

Frank Rizzo
08-15-2003, 08:55 PM
Went to the Stealer today and pulled a "refurbished" business CD unit off the shelf. It is listed to fit ALL E46 MY 9/01 and up........but the software code (sticker) was 40 (?)......WTF?
The parts guy was baffled with the wealth of info I came in with. He asked how I knew this info.......I told him that I could tell him how, but then I'd have to kill him. No sense of humor . . . .

I'm thinkin' . . . . . . . the Panasonic or Clarion Sirius package was like $150 after rebate (plus antenna) at Crutchfield, it included the receiver and the display....The factory set-up would cost $250 to $695 for a SAT factory radio AND $239 for the factory SAT receiver PLUS the antenna.

I dunno.....talk me outta this.......

AB
08-15-2003, 09:44 PM
Went to the Stealer today and pulled a "refurbished" business CD unit off the shelf. It is listed to fit ALL E46 MY 9/01 and up........but the software code (sticker) was 40 (?)......WTF?
The parts guy was baffled with the wealth of info I came in with. He asked how I knew this info.......I told him that I could tell him how, but then I'd have to kill him. No sense of humor . . . .

I'm thinkin' . . . . . . . the Panasonic or Clarion Sirius package was like $150 after rebate (plus antenna) at Crutchfield, it included the receiver and the display....The factory set-up would cost $250 to $695 for a SAT factory radio AND $239 for the factory SAT receiver PLUS the antenna.

I dunno.....talk me outta this.......

Hey Frank, tell Kissell I said hi..........

JST
08-15-2003, 09:55 PM
Hey Frank, tell Kissell I said hi..........

Hey, Ryan, Kissel wants to know when you are gonna go over there and fix his sink?

Frank Rizzo
08-16-2003, 10:06 AM
I dunno.....I called them like 4 hours ago....the water is all over the place here...and when I called back he says "you never called here"... so I says "you callin me a liar"? Then he starts tellin me ablut how Uncle Jimmy died....got me REAL upset.

I'm liable to go over there and rub small little sandbaskets all over his assneck....

ObD
08-16-2003, 01:11 PM
I have an 03 ZHP and my SV is 14-03 40...does this mean I am out of luck? Thanks!

Not necessarily. BMW stated all 2003's without NAV are Sirius ready. Your head unit manufacturing date indicates you should be OK. The software version number doesn't agree but Alpine may have redefined the software version number for 2003.

ObD
08-16-2003, 01:17 PM
Went to the Stealer today and pulled a "refurbished" business CD unit off the shelf. It is listed to fit ALL E46 MY 9/01 and up........but the software code (sticker) was 40 (?)......WTF?

Based on greginaz1's post above the "40" version may be redefined for 2003. In this case I'd check the HW version and the date of manufacture on the sticker of the refurb. The BMW system is proprietary so any info is hard to come by and as always YMMV.

My old unit hw/sw - 43/40 did not work. The new unit - 45/50 does. This is consistent with what I have found out previously.

ObD
08-16-2003, 01:36 PM
I'm thinkin' . . . . . . . the Panasonic or Clarion Sirius package was like $150 after rebate (plus antenna) at Crutchfield,

If it's FM modulated it will sound like crap. You'll need an adapter or aux input ~$100 to plug into the CD changer interface if you want to go direct for better sound. A BMW adapter does not exist for Panasonic or Clarion AFAIK so you'll need an aftermarket aux input adapter.

Frank Rizzo
08-16-2003, 01:57 PM
Ok Ok Ok OK!

I'll keep trying.....The refurb unit had an 8-03 date and a SW code of 40....The parts guy is pretty cool...maybe I'll do the exchange and see if it's SAT ready.......

If youu have a SAT ready head unit...but you DONT have the SAT tuner plugged in....will it still show the SAT display shown in your first post?

ObD
08-16-2003, 02:28 PM
Ok Ok Ok OK!If youu have a SAT ready head unit...but you DONT have the SAT tuner plugged in....will it still show the SAT display shown in your first post?

Nope. Need the Sirius tuner too.

mattwebster77
08-17-2003, 06:46 PM
Nope. Need the Sirius tuner too.

I too have the Sirius kit in my 03 325i and I love it.

I DID however opt for the BMW antenna, only because it included an inline filter (called an ALC) that goes between the antenna and the Sirius reciever.

Is it necessary? Not sure. I hear that it is used to filter out the XM radio's terrestial repeaters. The frequeny spectra for these two services are right on top of each other

anyhoo, got pics here if you want to see them.

http://bimmer.roadfly.org/bmw/forums/audio/forum.php?postid=3693745&page=2

texas330ci
08-18-2003, 10:05 AM
I am trying to figure out a way to use an aftermarket tuner (kenwood 902) and a Terk slim line antenna with my head unit. I know for sure that the head unit is Sirius ready. I also have the BMW/Alpine 6-disc changer in the trunk. Still doing a ton of research and best I can determine is a need a blitzsafe adapter, but I want to make sure the head unit displays the song title, artist, etc like normal...

I also thought of installing the antenna on the package deck in the back, but I have a metallic tint and I have heard that reduces signal (hence the want to use the slim line)...

Anyone have any insight on doing this?





I too have the Sirius kit in my 03 325i and I love it.

I DID however opt for the BMW antenna, only because it included an inline filter (called an ALC) that goes between the antenna and the Sirius reciever.

Is it necessary? Not sure. I hear that it is used to filter out the XM radio's terrestial repeaters. The frequeny spectra for these two services are right on top of each other

anyhoo, got pics here if you want to see them.

http://bimmer.roadfly.org/bmw/forums/audio/forum.php?postid=3693745&page=2

ObD
08-18-2003, 10:38 AM
I am trying to figure out a way to use an aftermarket tuner (kenwood 902) and a Terk slim line antenna with my head unit. I know for sure that the head unit is Sirius ready. I also have the BMW/Alpine 6-disc changer in the trunk. Still doing a ton of research and best I can determine is a need a blitzsafe adapter, but I want to make sure the head unit displays the song title, artist, etc like normal...

I also thought of installing the antenna on the package deck in the back, but I have a metallic tint and I have heard that reduces signal (hence the want to use the slim line)...

Anyone have any insight on doing this?

To display song and artist on the BMW OEM headunit you need the BMW Sirius receiver. Aftermarket adapters only display the channel number in CD changer format. If you use an adapter, the BMW CD changer won't work with it. My antenna is on the shelf but I have no tint. Some dropouts occaisionally, but nothing annoying. As always YMMV.

The BMW Sirius receiver is competitively priced if you factor in that you don't need a $100 adapter. If you went the free sat receiver route than this would not apply. Terk has an adapter coming out next month which will allow the use of slimline antennas with the BMW sat receiver.

texas330ci
08-18-2003, 10:59 AM
ObD:

Thanks for the insight. I think I will go the route of getting the sirius receiver. I'd like to avoid having to use the LARGE BMW sirius antenna. Any thoughts on using a slimmer aftermarket antenna with the BMW tuner? I know the BMW tuner uses a 2-line antenna and the slimmer ones are 1-lines, but I think I saw that there is an adapter for that as well...

If I can get positive insight on using a slim aftermarket antenna, I'll be good to go...

ObD
08-18-2003, 05:02 PM
ObD:

Thanks for the insight. I think I will go the route of getting the sirius receiver. I'd like to avoid having to use the LARGE BMW sirius antenna. Any thoughts on using a slimmer aftermarket antenna with the BMW tuner? I know the BMW tuner uses a 2-line antenna and the slimmer ones are 1-lines, but I think I saw that there is an adapter for that as well...

If I can get positive insight on using a slim aftermarket antenna, I'll be good to go...

I have the big antenna installed currently. I also have the slim antenna waiting to go in. Just received notice that the Terk adapter is being shipped to me tomorrow ... early :D. If it doesn't arrive by Fri, it won't get installed till next week as I am going away for the weekend. However I really expect no difference in reception or operation.

choij2000
08-20-2003, 07:30 PM
where can i get a my2003 head unit? and how much would that cost? do u have a part #?

(i have a my2002 330i)
thx.

Mathew
08-20-2003, 07:34 PM
No, from what I've read (here and in other places), Nav users prior to September are just SOL. There's no retrofit for pre-September 2003 Nav units.
:cry:

Frank Rizzo
08-20-2003, 08:29 PM
ObD:

Where did you get your info from?
I'm outta favors with the parts guy - he's tired of trin to look up stuff, and BMW NA is Noooooo help to us on the phone.... so I'm seriously thinking about buying the "refurb" unit with the S?W code of 40...but I'd like to feel a little bit better before I plunk down the $$.

Remember: I gotta buy the receiver (according to you) to even see if it works with the SAT....

$200 for the head unit
$239 for the receiver
$100 for the antenna
Jeeeeez

(remember: FM modulated kits are under $200...)

Did you call Alpine to get the info ?

thx.

ObD
08-21-2003, 06:26 PM
If I can get positive insight on using a slim aftermarket antenna, I'll be good to go...

Terk slim antenna works as advertised with the Terk single to dual antenna adapter. No difference in performance. :thumbup:

texas330ci
08-21-2003, 09:00 PM
Sweet. Thanks ObD. Time to get rid of standard radio and those damn commercials...


Terk slim antenna works as advertised with the Terk single to dual antenna adapter. No difference in performance. :thumbup:

ObD
08-21-2003, 09:52 PM
ObD:

Where did you get your info from?
I'm outta favors with the parts guy - he's tired of trin to look up stuff, and BMW NA is Noooooo help to us on the phone.... so I'm seriously thinking about buying the "refurb" unit with the S?W code of 40...but I'd like to feel a little bit better before I plunk down the $$.

Remember: I gotta buy the receiver (according to you) to even see if it works with the SAT....

$200 for the head unit
$239 for the receiver
$100 for the antenna
Jeeeeez

(remember: FM modulated kits are under $200...)

Did you call Alpine to get the info ?

thx.

The system is proprietary so most of the info I have gleaned off several sites on the internet, particularly the mini2.com site. Really just detective work and my experience of hardware/software integration. BMW by their own admission stated that the 02 head units only needed a software upgrade and the 03 had the upgrade - my 03 unit from August 02 confirms this. As for the refurb 40 software :dunno: I'd ask your dealer if they had an 03 head unit go bad, would they replace it with a refurb unit. If yes, then it would have to work, I would think, just for '03 equivalent replacement function, but who knows. Greginaz1's post where he said his MY 2003 had 40 software and the info that there is no specific 2003 head unit part no., makes it likely it would work.

The Terk slimline Sirius antenna and Terk single to dual antenna adapter total $70.

If you went aftermarket you still need an antenna, and a $100 adapter. So unless you can get one of the "receiver for free deals" the cost is within $25 for the OEM setup. The integration with OEM head unit is easily worth $25 if you already have the right head unit.

My net head unit cost will be closer to zero rather than $200 so I am a tad biased. :angel:

ObD
08-21-2003, 10:07 PM
where can i get a my2003 head unit? and how much would that cost? do u have a part #?

(i have a my2002 330i)
thx.

1) New from the dealer, big $$$, $550+
2) Someone with an 03 or 04 selling theirs after a custom stereo install, r.e. E-bay or Fanatics for $200-300, less the cost of selling yours, net = $0
3) Potentially a refurb unit for $200 if someone wants to be the guinea pig.

kneebiters
08-26-2003, 06:22 PM
All 03 radios are Sirius ready. The software version is the number which really counts. To access the headunit software version number:
... The software version is the right two digits. A number greater than or equal to 50 means it is Sirius ready.


Well this SUX! I got all excited reading this thread, but just discovered that the software version on my 2003 530i head unit (built in April for Pete's sake) reads 0903 40. What gives with that? Does that mean that my car is not Sirius ready? It's brand new!

:mad:

ObD
08-27-2003, 10:19 AM
Well this SUX! I got all excited reading this thread, but just discovered that the software version on my 2003 530i head unit (built in April for Pete's sake) reads 0903 40. What gives with that? Does that mean that my car is not Sirius ready? It's brand new!

:mad:

No, I think the date is more important than the SW version if the week/yr is xx/03. BMW says that ALL 2003 are Sirius compatible without NAV. I'm going to amend my original post until it is proven otherwise. For 02 built head units "50" is definitely the the ticket. Your '03' from the week/yr is more important.

Frank Rizzo
08-27-2003, 10:21 PM
ObD - FYI - I now own a MY 2003 head unit with a S/W code of 50.
Gonna order the tuner/antenna next week after labor day. I will install and activate via the web . . . in your footsteps.

This is all YOUR fault. (j/k)

Does the myrtle wood trim around the radio just pop off?

Thanks.

ObD
08-28-2003, 10:10 AM
ObD - FYI - I now own a MY 2003 head unit with a S/W code of 50..

I'm curious as to the week/year build too so we might confirm the 40 vs 50 numbers.

Gonna order the tuner/antenna next week after labor day. I will install and activate via the web . . . in your footsteps.

:thumbup: 100% positive it will work.

This is all YOUR fault. (j/k)
:rofl: Don't worry you'll love it. Awesome! :bigpimp:

Does the myrtle wood trim around the radio just pop off?

Sort of, you have to remove the trim above the glove box first. Plenty of DIY instructions on line. Here's my synopsys. The glove box trim is held in at four places. I used a metal ruler wrapped in a detailing cloth to gently pry back the trim from the bottom. Work from right (door) to left (radio). Once this trim is removed, the right side of the trim above the radio is loose. Just pry up the left side (near steering column) as previously. It's held in at one place. Remove two philips screws securing the radio. Slide radio out. Remove two connectors from radio (antenna and power/signal). FYI, I covered up the climate control etc with a towel so I didn't scratch anything when unplugging the old unit and plugging in the new unit. I also removed the radio fuses in the glove box just to be safe. Should take about 20 min total. Don't be an idiot like me and leave a CD in the old unit (had to reinstall and eject the CD). As always, test everything before reinstalling the trim.

kneebiters
08-28-2003, 07:38 PM
:supdude:

It's working! I went to my dealer today, plunked down a wad of cash for my receiver and antenna, and I am fukengruven.

One question -- I wanted to do the back shelf mount, so I unscrewed the center child safety seat clip and discovered that there is no pass through to the trunk. Those of you who mounted your antennas on the back shelf, where did you run the antenna wire?

Cheers.

Frank Rizzo
08-28-2003, 11:24 PM
OK bro - now i'm Sirius equipped.

Picked up the tuner and antenna/install kit on my lunch. Picked up the headunit after work. Swapped the head unit (thanks for the tips! - - -removed the CD before...) installed the receiver and antenna (on the deck). activated over the web. I'm dialed in.

Only mistake: bought the install kit listed on the circle BMW website...Major RIPOFF! The way it mounts the tuner - It only works if you have the CD changer and cover! I don't have the CD changer... Oh well....
I got the local BMW dealer to match the price of Circle when I showed them the printed page from the web. At first they were " no discount - these kits are a hot item" . . . I was like: "yeah - I see the line forming around the block...."

Thanks for your help. It sounds awesome over my modified stereo, just like CD's. Glad I did not cheap out and get the FM modulator.

Thanks again.

app47
08-29-2003, 08:42 AM
Hi Folks,

I have two Sirius related connundrums I was hoping someone could help me with.....

I have a 2003 325xit. BMW says from the VIN that the car was produced 08/02....Their service bulletin for Sirius installs says only compatible vehicles were produced 09/02 and later, even though mine is a 2003 car. Can this be accurate? Does the 40 vs. 50 test give me my answer?

Also, my local BMW center says they still have no final word from BMW regarding Sirius installs in the 3-series wagons. They're not sure the can yet be done. Any idea if that's also the case?

Thanks for your help.

ObD
08-29-2003, 01:30 PM
Those of you who mounted your antennas on the back shelf, where did you run the antenna wire?

On the 3-series, I know some people removed the rear seat bench and ran the wire where the factory wires enter the trunk. I'd assume the 5-series is the same.

ObD
08-29-2003, 01:36 PM
Does the 40 vs. 50 test give me my answer?

Yes, the '03 head unit I purchased was built in 08/02, sw rev 50. If you have a "50" software rev you are good to go.

app47
08-31-2003, 07:37 AM
Yes, the '03 head unit I purchased was built in 08/02, sw rev 50. If you have a "50" software rev you are good to go.

Thanks ObD.

To my surprise I do have a 2002-built, 2003 325xit with a "50" head unit.

If I go to an independent car audio place in town to have an install done, I assume I need to buy the Sirius tuner from the dealer, as you've mentioned in earlier postings. Are there any other proprietary parts I need from them, or can the rest of it be done with the parts the independent uses to install the aftermarket Sirius systems?

Do you know if install procedures are relatively obvious for the OEM equipment?

Thanks....

ObD
08-31-2003, 06:04 PM
Thanks ObD.

To my surprise I do have a 2002-built, 2003 325xit with a "50" head unit.

If I go to an independent car audio place in town to have an install done, I assume I need to buy the Sirius tuner from the dealer, as you've mentioned in earlier postings. Are there any other proprietary parts I need from them, or can the rest of it be done with the parts the independent uses to install the aftermarket Sirius systems?

Do you know if install procedures are relatively obvious for the OEM equipment?

Thanks....


Correct, you only need the BMW Sirius tuner. It plugs directly into the CD cabling in the trunk, super easy install. Since your 03 already has the correct brackets and trunk liner, you may want to consider the OEM installation kit - $60 discounted. You also may want to consider a DIY since you aren't having the dealer install it. If you can hook up a VCR, you can do this.

app47
09-02-2003, 07:26 AM
Correct, you only need the BMW Sirius tuner. It plugs directly into the CD cabling in the trunk, super easy install. Since your 03 already has the correct brackets and trunk liner, you may want to consider the OEM installation kit - $60 discounted. You also may want to consider a DIY since you aren't having the dealer install it. If you can hook up a VCR, you can do this.

Well, I can definitely hook up a VCR. So I need the antenna, the install kit, and the tuner. And some sort of splitter because I have a CD changer?

BMW insists it isn't doing installs in the 3-series wagons yet. Though they do say it's a 3-hour job (for the 4-door) in their service manual? I wonder if the install kit (for the 4-doors, I assume) would work on the wagon. The challenge with my car is where to put the tuner, since there's no trunk.

When you say "discounted," where does one come up with discounted kits and tuners?....my dealer doesn't discount anything, and I don't see them available at Bavarian Autosport or Crutchfield.com.

Thanks.

ObD
09-02-2003, 10:09 AM
Well, I can definitely hook up a VCR. So I need the antenna, the install kit, and the tuner. And some sort of splitter because I have a CD changer?

BMW insists it isn't doing installs in the 3-series wagons yet. Though they do say it's a 3-hour job (for the 4-door) in their service manual? I wonder if the install kit (for the 4-doors, I assume) would work on the wagon. The challenge with my car is where to put the tuner, since there's no trunk.

When you say "discounted," where does one come up with discounted kits and tuners?....my dealer doesn't discount anything, and I don't see them available at Bavarian Autosport or Crutchfield.com.

Thanks.

Sorry, missed the fact you have a wagon. Scratch the install kit then.

You can get the receiver and CDC extension cable for the OEM changer from Circle BMW at discount, Circle BMW Sirius (http://www.circlebmw.com/parts/sirius/sirius-e46.htm). There has to be some space to mount it with tie wraps or velcro near where the CD changer is located. People have mounted Phatboxes there so do a search.

Sirius receiver - Circle BMW
CDC extension cable - Circle BMW

Antenna -
OEM from Circle BMW
or
Terk SIR3 (low profile, magnet mount) and Terk SIR-SP adapter - from Crutchfield - $30 cheaper than OEM

Frank Rizzo
09-02-2003, 02:14 PM
ObD -

did you ever get the low-pro Sirius antenna, and did they work out the 2 vs. 1 wire thing?

The big 'ole mouse sittin on the rear deck is getting annoying...

Thanks.

mbushnell
09-03-2003, 03:14 PM
BMW insists it isn't doing installs in the 3-series wagons yet. Though they do say it's a 3-hour job (for the 4-door) in their service manual? I wonder if the install kit (for the 4-doors, I assume) would work on the wagon. The challenge with my car is where to put the tuner, since there's no trunk

I'm in the same boat. I've got a 2003 325xiT also, and have been following the BMW Sirius saga on Wagons since I first heard that BMW was going Sirus back before I ordered my car for ED in late July of last year.

The last that I heard (on another web site devoted to Satillite Radio), BMW has decided not to offer the install kit for 3 Series Wagons due to low sales volume potential. Does anyone else have any info on this?

I assume that the Receiver on a Wagon would go in the same area as the CD Changer & Amp. If you don't have a CD changer, you probably would have to get the Sidewall panel for CD Changers to replace the one on your car. (Rear left side, just ahead of the Tailgate opening)

app47
09-03-2003, 06:43 PM
I'm in the same boat. I've got a 2003 325xiT also, and have been following the BMW Sirius saga on Wagons since I first heard that BMW was going Sirus back before I ordered my car for ED in late July of last year.

The last that I heard (on another web site devoted to Satillite Radio), BMW has decided not to offer the install kit for 3 Series Wagons due to low sales volume potential. Does anyone else have any info on this?

I assume that the Receiver on a Wagon would go in the same area as the CD Changer & Amp. If you don't have a CD changer, you probably would have to get the Sidewall panel for CD Changers to replace the one on your car. (Rear left side, just ahead of the Tailgate opening)

Hi MBushnell:

I've recieved so much inaccurate information out of BMW--a contact I have in media relations at BMW NA told me in March that they were having technical difficulties....interference between the xit's roof rails and the Sirius antenna....and that was delaying it. He's gone silent of late so I know nothing new. My local dealer now shows Jan 2004 as the release date for Sirius for the wagons.

I'm thinking of buying the receiver and antenna as if I owned a 4-door and rolling the dice. I already have the sidewall panel, since I own a CD changer. I don't quite understand why it wouldn't work, unless there's something to this interference thing. A local car audio place I frequent says BMW's claim is probably bogus....he's not had one case of roof rails interfering with Sirius or XM, though he's not done an install in a 325t.

I too doubt, as you do, that this is going to happen on the wagons. With the X3 coming out in March, which will crater already low 325 wagon sales in the US, it's gotta be very low on BMW's priority list. I'd be interested in where you heard BMW had dropped plans to offer it on the wagon (which site?).

mbushnell
09-04-2003, 07:12 AM
I too doubt, as you do, that this is going to happen on the wagons. With the X3 coming out in March, which will crater already low 325 wagon sales in the US, it's gotta be very low on BMW's priority list. I'd be interested in where you heard BMW had dropped plans to offer it on the wagon (which site?).

I got the info from the following site:

http://66.246.14.172/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=4858&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15

ObD
09-06-2003, 11:12 AM
ObD -

did you ever get the low-pro Sirius antenna, and did they work out the 2 vs. 1 wire thing?

The big 'ole mouse sittin on the rear deck is getting annoying...

Thanks.

Yes and yes. :D

Frank Rizzo
09-07-2003, 09:08 PM
Yes and yes. :D


Praytell.....how where to get the adaptor??????????

This kinda a no-go:

http://photos.imageevent.com/frankrizzo/e46bmw/websize/tenna2.JPG

ObD
09-08-2003, 08:00 PM
Praytell.....how where to get the adaptor??????????

Crutchfield but Best Buy may also have it.

SunnyE
10-02-2003, 03:33 PM
I have an 03 ZHP and my SV is 14-03 40...does this mean I am out of luck? Thanks!

Same here, I have a 18-03 40, so do I need a software upgrade ? (My 325i was build in July '03 though !)

Also, is my CD changer port wired till the trunk or do I need to do it myself ? How can I check, the compartment for CD changer has a fitted plastic shelf ??

ObD
10-03-2003, 11:03 AM
Same here, I have a 18-03 40, so do I need a software upgrade ? (My 325i was build in July '03 though !)

Also, is my CD changer port wired till the trunk or do I need to do it myself ? How can I check, the compartment for CD changer has a fitted plastic shelf ??

The 50 software version only applies to xx-02 50. Your xx-03 40 is OK. All US 3-series are pre-wired for the CD changer. Literally plug and play.

CD changer compartment on left side of trunk:

http://www.ultimatebmwparts.com/cdchanger/e46/trunk_e46.jpg

SunnyE
10-07-2003, 10:48 AM
The 50 software version only applies to xx-02 50. Your xx-03 40 is OK. All US 3-series are pre-wired for the CD changer. Literally plug and play.



Thanks ObD ! Your earlier note says that you did not buy the install kit. Do you know what is included in the install kit ? I may not get it if not needed.

I am thinking of getting just the receiver from circlebmw.com and the terk antenna. That should all fit in $300 I guess.

I heard that Sirius was giving out free receivers, I wonder if that is applicable to BMW sirius receivers too ? My dealer in NH has no discount though.

Alex Baumann
10-07-2003, 11:37 AM
We have a new Audio Forum. I'm moving it over there, if you don't mind :)

ObD
10-08-2003, 10:21 AM
Do you know what is included in the install kit ?

Bracket, mounting hardware, misc hardware parts, install manual ... ~$60 discounted. My reason for not getting the install kit is that I have the flat leftside trunk panel. 2003's have the CD changer access style panel and brackets that are now standard. The Sirius bracket mounts near the changer brackets. I would need to purchase the install kit, new panel, and CD changer brackets and didn't feel like shelling out $120 for plastic and metal when $2 worth of velcro does the trick. :bigpimp:

I heard that Sirius was giving out free receivers, I wonder if that is applicable to BMW sirius receivers too ?

:rofl: Nope, only applies to certain aftermarket Sirius radios.

nealh
10-08-2003, 07:26 PM
I have a big problem want to know if anyone else is in this boat..

I bought a 2003 530i and like audiobooks so I had the dealer at time of purchase swap the indash cd for indash casette..no one told me this could affect satellite radio...

So anyone know if the Sirius unit will work the service dept really do ont seem to know..there knee jerk answer is no since there is no indash cd

Thanks

Neal

ObD
10-08-2003, 09:35 PM
I have a big problem want to know if anyone else is in this boat..

I bought a 2003 530i and like audiobooks so I had the dealer at time of purchase swap the indash cd for indash casette..no one told me this could affect satellite radio...

So anyone know if the Sirius unit will work the service dept really do ont seem to know..there knee jerk answer is no since there is no indash cd

Thanks

Neal

Only works with in-dash CD headunit. It probably would work with the cassette ... if BMW would bother to program the cassette headunit for it. If you have to have OEM Sirius and a cassette, one option for you is to install the OEM AUX input kit with the in-dash CD unit. Any Walkman cassette or equivalent plugs into the AUX input. Otherwise the aftermarket route is the only option.

kneebiters
10-09-2003, 07:10 PM
Only works with in-dash CD headunit. It probably would work with the cassette ... if BMW would bother to program the cassette headunit for it. If you have to have OEM Sirius and a cassette, one option for you is to install the OEM AUX input kit with the in-dash CD unit. Any Walkman cassette or equivalent plugs into the AUX input. Otherwise the aftermarket route is the only option.

Well Neal, I guess that answers our question...

Cheers - Sam :bawling:

Note to self: Find new buyer for slightly used Sirius kit.

Nick325xiT 5spd
10-31-2003, 01:55 PM
^bump^

Anyone figured out for sure whether or not a 2003 head unit will fit in a 2001 car?

Kaz
10-31-2003, 02:26 PM
^bump^

Anyone figured out for sure whether or not a 2003 head unit will fit in a 2001 car?

From the way new heads are selling on Fanatics, it would seem this is a drop-in. There are no dimensional changes, that's for sure. The plug is the same (all these aux and sat things are on sub-connectors) and the bus protocols for the buttons haven't changed.

sknaf
11-01-2003, 08:49 PM
So how come those of us with Nav get left out??
I also heard that now that the premium package includes BMW assist,
it causes issues when trying to do bluetooth or Siruis.
Anyone know why this is the case??

It's a e46 2004 m3 -- sweet ride, now I just need to get some tunes
hooked up in there! Thanks.

- Scott

nealh
11-02-2003, 06:42 AM
So how come those of us with Nav get left out??
I also heard that now that the premium package includes BMW assist,
it causes issues when trying to do bluetooth or Siruis.
Anyone know why this is the case??

It's a e46 2004 m3 -- sweet ride, now I just need to get some tunes
hooked up in there! Thanks.

- Scott


My opinion is becuase BMW is not working for an across the board solution..seems it would be easy and guess are just creating a solution for the cars with a higher production volume ...to keep cost down???

I have no idea seems real stupid and your are leaving customers frustrated and unhappy IMHO

Zappo
11-03-2003, 09:06 AM
The 50 software version only applies to xx-02 50. Your xx-03 40 is OK. All US 3-series are pre-wired for the CD changer. Literally plug and play.



First I'd like to compliment everyone (especially ObD) on this Thread, as it is clearly one of the best I've found anywhere regaring BMW Sirius Installations. :thumbup:

My dealer this week is replacing (on warranty) my Business Radio head unit on my July02 Build 2002 Coupe with a later unit due to BMW Service Measure 65-001-02 (Poor AM Reception). The Parts counter guy said something about the replacement would be what they started installing with Sep02 Build 2003 cars because some 2002 Head units had crackling AM reception in area with lots of hills.

I have three Questions:

1. The head unit the dealer has in stock is a remanufactured unit with a P/N of 65-12-5-921-964 and a build date of 51/02 (Dec '02). The Remanufactured sticker is covering the SW version number and is hard to peel off. What are the odds that this unit would have SW at least version 50 or newer?

2. Assuming the replacement unit is Sirius Compatible from a software standpoint, I keep reading about "extra" input connectors on the back of the 2003 Head Units and was wondering if I need to tell the Dealer to ensure they plug something "extra" into one of these additional connectors on the newer Head Unit to become Sirius ready? I'm planning to later install the BMW Sirius Receiver and Antenna myself. I already have installed the BMW OEM CD changer with the larger cover panel in the trunk.

3. I also have a Dealer installed CPT8000 BMW Phone with the Voice Activation Kit and the Phone Antenna is the internal BMW Bumper mounted version. Will this phone/antenna setup create any additional Sirius installation issues for me?

Any thoughts or advice would be greatly appreciated ... Thanks!
:dunno:

gmnty4
11-03-2003, 05:04 PM
do you have to spend $230.00 on a bmw oem reciever or is there another option????

Frank Rizzo
11-03-2003, 08:30 PM
Zappo:
I sure wish I knew about the "service campaign" for poor AM recepton. I woulda gotten a new radio and found out what kinda radio they give us as a replacement .....heh-heh...oh well. Let us know by checking the software code.
The Aux in is a separate piece that can take the input of your Ipod or other internet-music-stealing device. You can install it later if you want to....it's not a big deal.

Neal: does your cassete player have a button like the CD that will give you a software code?? If you pull out the radio - see what the build date is.


ObD: I linked one of your pics in the Sirius forum.....I gave you props, and re-linked here.....just tryin to spread the love....BTW: I sold my "43" head unit for $205 on Ebay!!! Even though I paid $367 for the "50" HU on Ebay, I did OK - - - per your suggestion...and it was a helluva lot cheaper than $650+ for a new HU from the Stealer.

http://www.siriusbackstage.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3191

Thanks Again for your post. I'm really liking my non-FM modualted satellite radio.... :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

Zappo
11-03-2003, 08:59 PM
Zappo:
I sure wish I knew about the "service campaign" for poor AM recepton. I woulda gotten a new radio and found out what kinda radio they give us as a replacement .....heh-heh...oh well. Let us know by checking the software code.


Frank .... Thanks for the info and help ... Incidentally not all 2002 head units had poor AM reception .... they have to actually hear the crackling noise before they'll apply the Service Measure. I was just lucky I guess.

BTW, you mentioned on your other link that the $60 install kit was not really needed ... What does it include (brackets?) .... There is a note on the Circle BMW Sirius Parts Page that you are supposed to order a different Install Kit Part # if you have the CPT8000 BMW Cell phone .... I'll try and call Circle in the morning.
:thumbup:

nealh
11-04-2003, 05:12 AM
Frank .... Thanks for the info and help ... Incidentally not all 2002 head units had poor AM reception .... they have to actually hear the crackling noise before they'll apply the Service Measure. I was just lucky I guess.

BTW, you mentioned on your other link that the $60 install kit was not really needed ... What does it include (brackets?) .... There is a note on the Circle BMW Sirius Parts Page that you are supposed to order a different Install Kit Part # if you have the CPT8000 BMW Cell phone .... I'll try and call Circle in the morning.
:thumbup:

MID on the casette HU has a "m" button and I have tried to get the software code but my radio will not come on unless the car is turned on..I can not get it to turn on with ignition off or the key turned to "postion 1"

But from all sources the casette is not sat. radio ready

Frank Rizzo
11-04-2003, 10:13 PM
Frank .... Thanks for the info and help ... Incidentally not all 2002 head units had poor AM reception .... they have to actually hear the crackling noise before they'll apply the Service Measure. I was just lucky I guess.

BTW, you mentioned on your other link that the $60 install kit was not really needed ... What does it include (brackets?) .... There is a note on the Circle BMW Sirius Parts Page that you are supposed to order a different Install Kit Part # if you have the CPT8000 BMW Cell phone .... I'll try and call Circle in the morning.
:thumbup:

If you're near L.A. I can show you - the "Masta Obd" tells it earlier in this post, it's a bracket and a few cables ties and a plug to seal up the CD changer input if you don't use it. Basicallly..I spent $60 on a square, rubber plug. I'd pass - try without, you can always go back and get it. No one tells you that all the 2003+ cars ALREADY have the CD chager brackets and larger side cover....so the install kit for Sirius will not work on a MY 2002 car unless you get the CD changer install kit and side panels anyways!.......

Zappo
11-04-2003, 11:42 PM
If you're near L.A. I can show you - the "Masta Obd" tells it earlier in this post, it's a bracket and a few cables ties and a plug to seal up the CD changer input if you don't use it. Basicallly..I spent $60 on a square, rubber plug. I'd pass - try without, you can always go back and get it. No one tells you that all the 2003+ cars ALREADY have the CD chager brackets and larger side cover....so the install kit for Sirius will not work on a MY 2002 car unless you get the CD changer install kit and side panels anyways!.......

I'm up in the Sales Tax Free haven of Oregon with the lowest license plate fees in the nation ($15/yr for any car). I spent 30 years working in LA after college, but as soon as I retired 2 years ago, I zoomed back up to my home town in Oregon and bought an M3 ... Tax Free for the first time in 30 years .... Feels real gooooooooood! Low insurance rates too ..... only $513/YEAR for 500K coverage with $1000 Deductible Collision (thru AARP ..... you need to be at least 50 though to join).
:bigpimp:

Nick325xiT 5spd
11-06-2003, 02:48 PM
OK, MY03 head unit to MY01 car retrofit initial comments:

1) The radio antenna connector is different. It's annoying, but I'm making an adaptor.
2) The old unit has MUCH better button feedback and feel. I've got the new and the old sitting in the car right now, and there is a DEFINITE difference between the two.
3) Other than that, the unit is electrically compatible with the car. Now I just need to figure out how to convince it to tune AM like a normal radio instead of odd frequencies.

I've got a Blitzsafe XMDirect coming in tomorrow. Hopefully I'll be able to use it.

DN325CI
11-06-2003, 04:29 PM
OK, MY03 head unit to MY01 car retrofit initial comments...

I've got a Blitzsafe XMDirect coming in tomorrow. Hopefully I'll be able to use it.

Nick, where did you get the XMDirect?

Don

Nick325xiT 5spd
11-06-2003, 04:38 PM
http://www.radiosandmore.com/prod_detail.asp?pn=rvr-d-001-bmw

It shipped today with free next day air. :)

BTW, thanks to bluer1 for posting the service menu how to here: http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=42464&highlight=service+menu

JBW
11-08-2003, 09:30 PM
ObD, what exactly did you have to do wiring wise. I am going to try to do the same thing but with an e39 and i need to know what to do with the wires. Thanks

ObD
11-09-2003, 08:14 AM
ObD, what exactly did you have to do wiring wise. I am going to try to do the same thing but with an e39 and i need to know what to do with the wires. Thanks

No wiring mods. The two CD changer cables plugged directly into the BMW Sirius receiver and the headunit was a one for one swap with the power/signal and antenna connectors. IIRC for the E39 swapping the head unit should be similar.

JBW
11-09-2003, 09:00 AM
So does this mean u are not able to use a CD changer now?

ObD
11-09-2003, 09:57 AM
So does this mean u are not able to use a CD changer now?

No, a CD changer extension cable, part # 84 11 0 150 526, ~ $15, is required. Plugs between the Sirius receiver and the CD changer.

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=21772

Zappo
11-09-2003, 10:44 AM
No, a CD changer extension cable, part # 84 11 0 150 526, ~ $15, is required. Plugs between the Sirius receiver and the CD changer.



OdB .... Does the CD extension cable have to be run all the way back to the trunk from the head unit? I don't understand from looking at the photo of the back of your head unit as labeled? I thought the CD extension cable goes in the trunk ... you unplug the cables from the BMW OEM CD located in the trunk and plug them into the new BMW Sirius unit in the trunk. Isn't there is a pass-through outlet on the Sirius that the CD extension cable then goes between that and the CD? Am I missing something here?

Also, what about those newer Business Head Units with '03 build dates that have an actual Aux input? Is there a cable I should have my dealer insert there and leave it easily accessible for me under the dash just in case I want to do a future Aux-in to the unit? What would that cable be called? The dealer is doing a warranty swap of my '02 Head unit this week with a remanufactured '03 unit.

Also, is there enough room in the trunk side panel For the Sirius control box when it now already houses my BMW OEM CD Changer, and the CPT8000 BMW Phone Controller ????

Also, what if Sirius goes belly up (I've been reading lots of rumors on various business and stock trading forums)? The lifetime $399 subscription offer makes me nervous .... I've been bitten by something similar before and don't want to invest nearly $500 on what may become un-useable hardware someday. What's your thought on this rumor?

Thanks man :thumbup:

JBW
11-09-2003, 11:49 AM
ObD, one more question. Was the headunit swap plug and play?

ObD
11-09-2003, 11:57 AM
Am I missing something here?

Yes, the above photo is the Sirius receiver NOT the headunit, the extension cable connector is the passthrough. :)

Also, what about those newer Business Head Units with '03 build dates that have an actual Aux input? Is there a cable I should have my dealer insert there and leave it easily accessible for me under the dash just in case I want to do a future Aux-in to the unit? What would that cable be called? The dealer is doing a warranty swap of my '02 Head unit this week with a remanufactured '03 unit.

Yes, AUX input kit, 82 11 01 49 389

Also, is there enough room in the trunk side panel For the Sirius control box when it now already houses my BMW OEM CD Changer, and the CPT8000 BMW Phone Controller ????

Yes, there is a specific install kit with a bracket for the CPT phone/Sirius, but all will fit per BMW. Also if you have the sharkfin for the phone antenna it will have to be replaced with the bumper mounted one unless the Sirius antenna is mounted on the package shelf.

Also, what if Sirius goes belly up (I've been reading lots of rumors on various business and stock trading forums)? The lifetime $399 subscription offer makes me nervous .... I've been bitten by something similar before and don't want to invest nearly $500 on what may become un-useable hardware someday. What's your thought on this rumor?

XM nor Sirius is making money. Most analysts say that should one go under, the other will buy the other up. The market is there. The lifetime subscription is probably a good deal for a BMW unit since they'll never change it and it is transferable, IIRC.

ObD
11-09-2003, 11:58 AM
ObD, one more question. Was the headunit swap plug and play?

Yes. Other than disassembling the dash ... ;)

Zappo
11-09-2003, 12:14 PM
Yes, the above photo is the Sirius receiver NOT the headunit, the extension cable connector is the passthrough. :)

Yes, AUX input kit, 82 11 01 49 389




Thanks Odb! I must have been blind not noticing the upside-down Sirius Sticker in the photo at first .... thank's for the AUX input kit part number. Where should the tech normally place the open end of the connector ... just under the dash below the glove box? Or is that for me to tell them? BTW, I already have the bumper antenna so I'm good to go for the shark-fin for the Sirius .... BTW, can the shark-fins be painted Titanium Silver to match the body? Or are they available pre-painted?

Thanks again for all your help .... Also is Sirius pronounced like "sigh-e-r-us"? Don't want to sound like a dummy when I talk to the SA this week :thumbup:

ObD
11-09-2003, 12:33 PM
Thanks Odb! I must have been blind not noticing the upside-down Sirius Sticker in the photo at first .... thank's for the AUX input kit part number. Where should the tech normally place the open end of the connector ... just under the dash below the glove box? Or is that for me to tell them? BTW, I already have the bumper antenna so I'm good to go for the shark-fin for the Sirius .... BTW, can the shark-fins be painted Titanium Silver to match the body? Or are they available pre-painted?

Thanks again for all your help .... Also is Sirius pronounced like "sigh-e-r-us"? Don't want to sound like a dummy when I talk to the SA this week :thumbup:

Normally, the AUX input plate is mounted to the rear of the glove box, but people have run it to the center console, dash ashtray, in the glove box etc. I'd tell them how you wanted it.

There is a specific Sirius antenna which looks like a PC mouse, and it mounts near the same place the sharkfin does. Sharkfin is only for the phone. The Sirius antenna can be painted so I am told.

Sirius is pronounced serious, seriously. ;)

Zappo
11-09-2003, 12:58 PM
Normally, the AUX input plate is mounted to the rear of the glove box .... <snip> .....Sirius is pronounced serious, seriously. ;)

Wow, Sirius sounds like serious stuff :)

If they mount it to the back of the glove box, rather than inside the glove box, would it still be easily accessible?

Thanks again :thumbup:

ObD
11-09-2003, 02:05 PM
Wow, Sirius sounds like serious stuff :)

If they mount it to the back of the glove box, rather than inside the glove box, would it still be easily accessible?

Thanks again :thumbup:

Inside rear.

Zappo
11-09-2003, 02:16 PM
Inside rear.

OdB .... you'da Man ..... thanks :thumbup:

JBW
11-09-2003, 04:26 PM
Tried the swap out today with a MY2004 headunit but my wiring harness did not fit into the connection on the back of the MY2004 headunit. They were slightly different. This is very frustrating.

ObD
11-09-2003, 05:34 PM
Tried the swap out today with a MY2004 headunit but my wiring harness did not fit into the connection on the back of the MY2004 headunit. They were slightly different. This is very frustrating.


The 5-series for 2004 is the E60. For an E39 you need a MY 2003.

JBW
11-09-2003, 06:18 PM
It was out of a 2004 X5. BTW the 2004 5 series is the e60. Thanks for your help.

mikey8888
11-09-2003, 08:12 PM
I just finished installing Sirius today in my MY 2003 325i. I want to thank ObD for the steps. The only gotcha I had was that I did also buy the Terk SIR3 but didn't buy the spliter at the same time so it put me back a few days. :thumbdwn: But its all good.
I mounted the antenna on the rear package shelf as well and it works like a charm. I even got the signal in my garage!!! :)

Thanks again ObD

My next DYI is the Universal Transmitter if I can find it cheap enough :)

Frank Rizzo
11-09-2003, 10:02 PM
OdB .... you'da Man ..... thanks :thumbup:


Heh-heh....I said this 50 posts ago....can U believe this has over 100 replies?

BTW - Word on the Sirius forum is that you can paint the antenna - as long as it is not a metallic paint. The metal flakes allegedly block some of the signal....


.

theisgroup
11-10-2003, 05:58 AM
so if i replace the head unit with an 03 model, I would get the aux input as well?

ObD
11-10-2003, 09:56 AM
so if i replace the head unit with an 03 model, I would get the aux input as well?

Yes

nealh
11-10-2003, 10:15 AM
Frank

metallic paint ca neffect the antennae performance..crap my 03 530i is Titanium Silver (metallic)...jeez is ther real metal in the paint...

mikey8888
11-10-2003, 01:51 PM
Zappo:
I sure wish I knew about the "service campaign" for poor AM recepton. I woulda gotten a new radio and found out what kinda radio they give us as a replacement .....heh-heh...oh well. Let us know by checking the software code.
The Aux in is a separate piece that can take the input of your Ipod or other internet-music-stealing device. You can install it later if you want to....it's not a big deal.

Neal: does your cassete player have a button like the CD that will give you a software code?? If you pull out the radio - see what the build date is.


ObD: I linked one of your pics in the Sirius forum.....I gave you props, and re-linked here.....just tryin to spread the love....BTW: I sold my "43" head unit for $205 on Ebay!!! Even though I paid $367 for the "50" HU on Ebay, I did OK - - - per your suggestion...and it was a helluva lot cheaper than $650+ for a new HU from the Stealer.

http://www.siriusbackstage.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3191

Thanks Again for your post. I'm really liking my non-FM modualted satellite radio.... :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:



Frank in your post @ Sirius backstage you said "After about a month, the SAT function stopps working. It says "Call 888.539.SIRIUS" When I call the operator says, I must have a new Toyota or BMW. I confirm this and he says, well "you get free activation, and the first 2 months free, so we had to reset your account to give you the two extra months". I'm getting my activation fee returned! Like this happens every day ! "

Well mine happen this morning. I called them this morning and they told me that the reciever need to "re-hit" because they changed me over like you said in your post. kewl...
I had to call them back because I was at work and they said that they needed the radio on... So during lunch I called them back and the dude on the phone said I was unsupported because I have the anntenna on the rear dash... I tried to explain to him your quote above but the dude didn't listen... so i said just re-hit it and then it worked fine.
He said that this will happen to me again since I dont have the anntena mount on the rooftop... Have you heard of this before or has anyone ever heard this before.

I feel like a mushroom... kept in the dark and fed crap.

BTW gunna paint my antenna, got paint from the hobby shop at lunch today :)

nealh
11-10-2003, 04:32 PM
so if i replace the head unit with an 03 model, I would get the aux input as well?

You get access to a aux input..you will need to get retrofit aux input kit and remove the radio and install it behind the radio with the input plug in the glove box

I can send you a pdf file on the install if you like

ObD
11-10-2003, 06:06 PM
So during lunch I called them back and the dude on the phone said I was unsupported because I have the anntenna on the rear dash... I tried to explain to him your quote above but the dude didn't listen... so i said just re-hit it and then it worked fine.
He said that this will happen to me again since I dont have the anntena mount on the rooftop... Have you heard of this before or has anyone ever heard this before.

:bs:

It's the changeover from the 2 mos free to paid service. Happened to me too. No problems since the rehit.

Zappo
11-10-2003, 06:31 PM
You get access to a aux input..you will need to get retrofit aux input kit and remove the radio and install it behind the radio with the input plug in the glove box

I can send you a pdf file on the install if you like

I just stopped by the BMW Dealer and looked at two Business Radio Head Units .... one was a Week 51/2002 Build with Software version 50 and the other was a Week 23/2003 Build with Software version 40. Both should be good for Sirius but the parts guy was uncertain if either one had the Aux Input capability and did not have the Aux Input Kit in stock so we could look at the plug.

My questions are:

1. What does the Aux Input look like on the back of a MY2003 Head Unit?

2. What does the Aux Input kit cabling look like?

3. Do all MY 2003 Non-Nav E-46s come with the Aux Input Kit cable already plugged into the back of the MY2003 Head unit, and if so where is the other end terminated? ... (under the glove box is what the Parts guy thought).

If someone has both a MY2002 and MY2003 Head Unit handy, could they please compare the rear plug-ins to see if they are different. The ones the BMW had today had the antenna on the back left (as you look at it from the rear) and a large square/rectangular plug-in at the upper far right side with two smaller square plug-in connecters directly below the large one at the right side.

Also, a pdf file on the Aux Input Kit DIY install may answer all my questions, so feel free to send one please .... coolviewer_nospam@hotmail.com (remove _nospam).

Thanks .... :thumbup:

theisgroup
11-10-2003, 06:33 PM
Another dumb question.

I have read through this entire thread, was anyone successful in getting their parts guy to sell them a re-manufactured head unit that was an 03 and exchange for an 02?

And also are the part number for the 02 business cd diff then 03 business cd?

One more. On the new cars there is a $75 sirrus prep. Does anyone know what this is? if the support is built into the business cd, then could this be just for the antenna or something?

ObD
11-10-2003, 06:58 PM
1. What does the Aux Input look like on the back of a MY2003 Head Unit?

2. What does the Aux Input kit cabling look like?

3. Do all MY 2003 Non-Nav E-46s come with the Aux Input Kit cable already plugged into the back of the MY2003 Head unit, and if so where is the other end terminated? ... (under the glove box is what the Parts guy thought).

1) It's the lower right hand 10 pin connector on the back of the head unit. The CD changer cabling plugs into the 10 pin connector on the left one next to it. Power, amp, and phone signals on the big connector above both.

2) It looks like the CD changer cabling with an 8mm plug and metal plate on one end and a ten pin socket on the other. Do a search you'll find pics.

3) No, you have to buy the kit which is the cable. The radio needs to be removed to plug in the cable although some have gotten lucky using the Braille method without removing the radio.

Zappo
11-10-2003, 07:01 PM
1) It's the lower right hand 10 pin connector on the back of the head unit. The CD changer cabling plugs into the 10 pin connector on the left on next to it. Power, amp, and phone signals on the big connector above both.

2) It looks like the CD changer cabling with an 8mm plug and metal plate on one end and a ten pin socket on the other. Do a search you'll find pics.

3) No, you have to buy the kit which is the cable. The radio needs to be removed to plug in the cable although some have gotten lucky using the Braille method without removing the radio.

Once again ... you'da Man Odb :thumbup:

Thanks!

ObD
11-10-2003, 07:06 PM
One more. On the new cars there is a $75 sirrus prep. Does anyone know what this is? if the support is built into the business cd, then could this be just for the antenna or something?

It's the Sirius installation kit which is just a bracket, screws, and misc plastic parts.

Frank Rizzo
11-10-2003, 10:13 PM
... So during lunch I called them back and the dude on the phone said I was unsupported because I have the anntenna on the rear dash... I tried to explain to him your quote above but the dude didn't listen... so i said just re-hit it and then it worked fine.
He said that this will happen to me again since I dont have the anntena mount on the rooftop... Have you heard of this before or has anyone ever heard this before.

I feel like a mushroom... kept in the dark and fed crap.

BTW gunna paint my antenna, got paint from the hobby shop at lunch today :)


They never asked where the antenna was mounted.......So I never experienced that issue........

Also - Don't kill the messenger - I"m repeating other peoples unverified bullpuckey regarding the antenna painting - I've never done it myself.....and as soon as I get off my lazy butt - I"m gonna install the SIR3 (to be more like Obeee-Won) { <====new name for ObD !!! }

Zappo
11-11-2003, 11:02 AM
They never asked where the antenna was mounted.......So I never experienced that issue........

Also - Don't kill the messenger - I"m repeating other peoples unverified bullpuckey regarding the antenna painting - I've never done it myself.....and as soon as I get off my lazy butt - I"m gonna install the SIR3 (to be more like Obeee-Won) { <====new name for ObD !!! }

BTW, how does the antenna actually stick to the roof ... adhesive?

mikey8888
11-11-2003, 07:06 PM
BTW, how does the antenna actually stick to the roof ... adhesive?


The Terk SIR3 is actually magnetic. But I put mine on the back dash with a little piece of velco

mikeglenn
11-22-2003, 03:07 AM
I installed a Sirius receiver in my 2003 530i with a big assist from the advice in this thread. Special thanks goes to ObD.

Circle BMW was helpful during the order process and promptly shipped the receiver, the installation kit and cable to connect to my CD changer. The cable was somewhat difficult to install on the changer, but after three tries the changer activated. The included instructions could have been more detailed on this point.

The mounting kit for the Sirius fit easily, but the unit blocked the area where the CD changer had been located. I reversed mounting position of the CD changer, which means only two screws fit through the base bracket. Someone else noted this problem, so I was not surprised. The CD changer still fits under the cover in the trunk. In hindsight, I might have saved the cost of the mounting bracket and secured the receiver with velcro straps as was suggested.

I installed the Terk SIR3 low profile antenna on the rear package shelf. The preview station was received immediately when the unit was first powered up. However, activation through Sirius took several tries. I finally moved the antenna to a temporary position on the roof during activation. Reception with the antenna back on the package shelf is good, although acquiring a new channel sometimes takes a couple seconds. Loss of signal thus far has been rare.

I went with the lifetime subscription to Sirius for $400. While I worried about Sirius' solvency, the payback period is less than 3 years.

For less than $800 for the Sirius and a lifetime activation subscription, I am happy with the sound quality and the commercial-free channel selections. It may be hard returning to over the air radio in my other vehicles.

Zappo
11-22-2003, 03:41 AM
[QUOTE=mikeglenn]I went with the lifetime subscription to Sirius for $400. While I worried about Sirius' solvency, the payback period is less than 3 years.
QUOTE]

I too have been tempted to spring for the lifetime subscription ... I wonder if I need to have the system fully installed and activated by the offer's expiration date or if I can purchase the subscription and then take my usual procrastinating sweet time about installing the system?

nealh
11-22-2003, 01:03 PM
I installed a Sirius receiver in my 2003 530i with a big assist from the advice in this thread. Special thanks goes to ObD.

Circle BMW was helpful during the order process and promptly shipped the receiver, the installation kit and cable to connect to my CD changer. The cable was somewhat difficult to install on the changer, but after three tries the changer activated. The included instructions could have been more detailed on this point.

The mounting kit for the Sirius fit easily, but the unit blocked the area where the CD changer had been located. I reversed mounting position of the CD changer, which means only two screws fit through the base bracket. Someone else noted this problem, so I was not surprised. The CD changer still fits under the cover in the trunk. In hindsight, I might have saved the cost of the mounting bracket and secured the receiver with velcro straps as was suggested.

Do you think it would be possible to get a copy of the install instructions...I recently had my BMW dealer do the install..I paid for the install kit but they did not use. All they did was slide the receiver between my nonDSP amp and my cd changer..while it is fairly tight fit the Sirius receiver does move around a bit. I am pissed about how they did the install but want to see the install instructions before I go back and complain.

They could have secured the the receiver in or over the bracket for the Nav equipment which is empty in my car as I have no NAV

Is there any way you could scan them

thanks Neal

Mikeglenn did you get an discount by doing the lifetime via BMW?

mikeglenn
11-22-2003, 02:15 PM
Do you think it would be possible to get a copy of the install instructions...I recently had my BMW dealer do the install..I paid for the install kit but they did not use. All they did was slide the receiver between my nonDSP amp and my cd changer..while it is fairly tight fit the Sirius receiver does move around a bit. I am pissed about how they did the install but want to see the install instructions before I go back and complain.

They could have secured the the receiver in or over the bracket for the Nav equipment which is empty in my car as I have no NAV

Is there any way you could scan them

thanks Neal

Mikeglenn did you get an discount by doing the lifetime via BMW?

I installed the Sirius receiver myself and did not activate through BMW. I am not aware of any further discounts available on Sirius' lifetime subscription offer.

It would be difficult for me to scan the instructions. The installation instructions likely will not help you as they do not depict the Sirius receiver installed with a CD Changer. It merely states, "Remove optional CD Changer (if equipped)...". At the end it states, if vehicle is equipped with optional CD changer, "Connect CD Changer Cables and reinstall CD Changer in the original location." However, the placement of the receiver is not illustrated with the CD Changer and the CD Changer will not fit in the original location.

The bracket for the Sirius receiver is attached below the navigation bracket and rests on the CD changer mounting bracket base. It is secured at the bottom through the same holes as the CD changer bracket. The receiver when installed in its mounting bracket extends about an inch into the space where the CD changer was mounted originally.

If you are dissatisfied with dealer installation, why not raise the issue with the dealer? You paid for professional installation and the kit. If it was my set, I would be concerned about two issues, First, the receiver may be knocked around while driving, which may contribute to failure of the unit at a future date. Second, there may be heat accumulation during operation if there is insufficient clearance from the amplifier to allow adequate ventilation. The operating instructions for the receiver state it will shut down if the temperature exceeds certain limits.

Hope this helps and good luck.

nealh
11-22-2003, 05:01 PM
I installed the Sirius receiver myself and did not activate through BMW. I am not aware of any further discounts available on Sirius' lifetime subscription offer.

It would be difficult for me to scan the instructions. The installation instructions likely will not help you as they do not depict the Sirius receiver installed with a CD Changer. It merely states, "Remove optional CD Changer (if equipped)...". At the end it states, if vehicle is equipped with optional CD changer, "Connect CD Changer Cables and reinstall CD Changer in the original location." However, the placement of the receiver is not illustrated with the CD Changer and the CD Changer will not fit in the original location.

The bracket for the Sirius receiver is attached below the navigation bracket and rests on the CD changer mounting bracket base. It is secured at the bottom through the same holes as the CD changer bracket. The receiver when installed in its mounting bracket extends about an inch into the space where the CD changer was mounted originally.

If you are dissatisfied with dealer installation, why not raise the issue with the dealer? You paid for professional installation and the kit. If it was my set, I would be concerned about two issues, First, the receiver may be knocked around while driving, which may contribute to failure of the unit at a future date. Second, there may be heat accumulation during operation if there is insufficient clearance from the amplifier to allow adequate ventilation. The operating instructions for the receiver state it will shut down if the temperature exceeds certain limits.

Hope this helps and good luck.

I agree with everything you said...I am going to talk with them as the install was definitely second rate...clearly they had never installed the unit with a cd changer or maybe ever..who knows

Just a pain in the ass...as they ordered the wrong aux input and required a second install appt for this ..and now the sirius tuner is misinstalled

Maxy
12-13-2003, 07:04 PM
I replaced the head unit on my '01 330Ci with HK option (Jan '01 build) with one from an '03 325i (purchased on Ebay for $225), in preparation for installing the Sirius receiver (coming soon from Ebay, $125). A few comments regarding differences in the new compared to old head units:

1. The old unit was manufactured by Blaupunkt, the new by Alpine.

2. There are two coaxial jacks on the old unit, only one on the new. One (bigger, connects to a black right-angle wire in the dash, and is on the passenger side of the unit) is the FM antenna, I guess; the other (smaller, leads to a silver wire in the dash, on the driver side) AM antenna? At any rate, I connected the solitary coaxial antenna lead in the new unit to the black, right angle wire--but the jacks are not compatible. I needed two adapters (two different M>F cables plugged together). Fortunately, both of these were available at a local car stereo shop ($16, Innovative Audio, Bellevue, WA). I left the small, silver wire unplugged. I'm guessing the old unit had an external AM antenna and the new unit has an internal one, but I may be wrong. (Someone else commented earlier on this problem and said that he/she was going to make an antenna plug adaptor; FYI, a commercial solution is available.)

3. The reception was initially poor, but the radio defaulted to European mode (i.e. mostly odd numbered AM frequencies and offering LongWave AM mode). I went to the secret menu (hold down "m" key right after turning on) and reset it to the US, and changed a few other settings--not entirely sure what I was doing--but then AM & FM reception worked fine with good reception.

4. The new radio can be turned on without having the key in the ignition. Fortunatley, it turns off when the motor is shut down. I don't recall the old unit turning on without the key.

5. Installation was fairly easy. I used a disposable plastic putty knife to remove the trim. Unplugging the old unit from its harness required a bit of effort; I had to gently pry the harness off the socket with a screwdriver, even after popping up the interlocking device as the icon on the harness depicts. I didn't bother removing fuses or disconnecting the battery. I did, unfortunately, leave a few light scratches in the faceplate for the ventiliation system, so I'd advise taping something over this to protect it.

6. With the new head, the steering wheel up/down control will shift into the second tier of six presets, whereas in the old unit the steering wheel controls would only navigate through a single set of six presets without manually changing it on the radio by pressing the FM or AM button again.

7. I wish that I also installed an aux input while I had the head unit out. I actually went by the dealer (Bellevue BMW), but they didn't have the cable in stock. I may add this later.

8. I can't wait till I get my XM receiver. Hopefully, there'll be room for it behind the trunk panel, so that it just doesn't have to lie out in the trunk, as shown in a photo in this thread. (I don't have a CD changer, so I have the standard panel; I understand later E46's come with the panel with the cutouts and brackets for the CD changer.)

9. No entry of security codes was required. Not sure why they include these numbers with the manual.

Thanks to all who contributed to this post. I found it very useful.

theisgroup
12-14-2003, 04:56 AM
does this look like a business cd that will support the aux and sirrus?

TIA

ObD
12-14-2003, 11:26 AM
does this look like a business cd that will support the aux and sirrus?

TIA


Only way to tell is to look at the tag on the bottom.


http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=17944

For an '02 radio the SW version # needs to be 50 or higher.
For an '03 radio the SW version doesn't matter.

The first two digits in the KW field indicates the week.
Last two digits in the KW field indicates the year.

The above picture is an 02 radio with SW version 50.

MPJ
12-15-2003, 06:24 PM
2. There are two coaxial jacks on the old unit, only one on the new. One (bigger, connects to a black right-angle wire in the dash, and is on the passenger side of the unit) is the FM antenna, I guess; the other (smaller, leads to a silver wire in the dash, on the driver side) AM antenna? At any rate, I connected the solitary coaxial antenna lead in the new unit to the black, right angle wire--but the jacks are not compatible. I needed two adapters (two different M>F cables plugged together). Fortunately, both of these were available at a local car stereo shop ($16, Innovative Audio, Bellevue, WA). I left the small, silver wire unplugged. I'm guessing the old unit had an external AM antenna and the new unit has an internal one, but I may be wrong. (Someone else commented earlier on this problem and said that he/she was going to make an antenna plug adaptor; FYI, a commercial solution is available.)

Would you mind posting pics of these two adapters, as I am in the process of doing this swap. Thanks. (and btw thanks to all on this thread.. it is easily the best thread for Sirius install) :thumbup:

Zappo
12-15-2003, 07:39 PM
ObD ..... do you happen to have the BMW Sirius Box dimensions handy?

Also, have you heard if BMW has gone to the newer smaller antenna yet?

Thanks :thumbup:

ObD
12-15-2003, 08:15 PM
ObD ..... do you happen to have the BMW Sirius Box dimensions handy?

Also, have you heard if BMW has gone to the newer smaller antenna yet?

Thanks :thumbup:

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=17050

Approximately 7.25" square. 1.25" thick. Looks about the same size as your CPT phone box.

Haven't heard of any new antennas, and I doubt it since BMW hardly ever changes any of it's audio accessories. The trunk CD changer hasn't changed in years.

I have heard of a new generation of smaller antenna's and smaller receivers coming out, but again I'd doubt BMW would spend the effort.

Zappo
12-15-2003, 08:59 PM
Approximately 7.25" square. 1.25" thick. Looks about the same size as your CPT phone box.

Haven't heard of any new antennas, and I doubt it since BMW hardly ever changes any of it's audio accessories. The trunk CD changer hasn't changed in years.

I have heard of a new generation of smaller antenna's and smaller receivers coming out, but again I'd doubt BMW would spend the effort.

Thanks man .... looks like it's designed to fit in front of my CPT8000 box with the special bracket that comes with the install kit for CPT8000 owners. See mppaz's posting on this thread:

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48071

Should be a piece of cake :thumbup:

hockeynut
12-18-2003, 07:21 AM
Correct, you only need the BMW Sirius tuner. It plugs directly into the CD cabling in the trunk, super easy install. Since your 03 already has the correct brackets and trunk liner, you may want to consider the OEM installation kit - $60 discounted. You also may want to consider a DIY since you aren't having the dealer install it. If you can hook up a VCR, you can do this.

I have an '04 330cic no nav, no cd changer. As I understand it, all I need is the receiver and antenna (Terk I assume).

My big concern for DIY - do I need to do anything in the cabin of the vehicle, or is it all in the trunk? Please tell me it just plugs into the trunk nice and easy!

I don't wanna start pulling off wood trim or anything, but the dealer wants (are you sitting down?) $850 for the tuner/antenna/installation.

JST
12-18-2003, 07:26 AM
I have an '04 330cic no nav, no cd changer. As I understand it, all I need is the receiver and antenna (Terk I assume).

My big concern for DIY - do I need to do anything in the cabin of the vehicle, or is it all in the trunk? Please tell me it just plugs into the trunk nice and easy!

I don't wanna start pulling off wood trim or anything, but the dealer wants (are you sitting down?) $850 for the tuner/antenna/installation.


You'll need to put the antenna somewhere. You can stick it on the trunk lid, if you don't mind the look. I mounted mine in between the rear seats on my E36 conv., and was happy with the results, both in terms of appearance and reception. Installing it in this location required pulling wires through the top well and concealing them under the gasket that seals the front of the well, but this was very straightforward. Search for my handle and XM install for the details.

Maxy
12-20-2003, 03:52 PM
Previously I posted on upgrading the head of my 1/01 330Ci and noted the biggest issue was the dissimilar antenna connections, which I remedied with two adaptors plugged together.

This weekend I installed the receiver. As the photo shows it is conveniently clamped between the internal fender wall and the amplifier unit (after loosening the top two screws on the existing bracket, sliding in the Sirius unit, and tightening it back up). I was worried about overheating either unit, but I let them stay on for an hour and did not notice any excessive heat buildup, albeit with the liner off.

I mounted the antenna on the rear shelf. Remove the car seat anchor by flipping off its top with a screwdriver, then unscrew it. The cable can be routed just to the side of the bracket with the "mouse" actually pointing forward. At least in my neighborhood (eastside "Points" cities, heavily wooded Seattle suburbs on the edge of the US), reception was perfect--even with a heavy cloudcover and rain. As an aside, the white antenna wire doesn't seem to do anything and need not be connected.

I am very pleased. I have limited exposure to XM, but I must say that I prefer Sirius content after my brief experience. The sound quality vastly exceeds FM and to my ears, is on par with a CD (on music channels, with talk channels still being a bit tinny sounding).

Maxy
12-20-2003, 03:57 PM
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12-20-2003, 03:59 PM
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MPJ
12-23-2003, 12:55 PM
Previously I posted on upgrading the head of my 1/01 330Ci and noted the biggest issue was the dissimilar antenna connections, which I remedied with two adaptors plugged together.

I have an 01 325, and I was also able to find adapters for the 03 deck I purchased. Check at Circuit City for the adapter that plugs into the radio, and I found another adapter for the other end at pep boys. About $30 total. Now I have FM reception, and sirius is on its way!

MPJ
12-24-2003, 12:28 AM
One more question for the sirius experts:

I now have an 03 headunit, and I have an Alpine CDH 634 MP3/CD changer, with the soundgate adapter. I found dual xm/cd changer blitzsafe adapters here:

http://www.logjamelectronics.com/blitzbmwxmdmxalpv1d.html

My question is, if I get this adapter, and I have the bmw sirius receiver, antenna, etc., will I be able to view the artist/title/channel info on my radio? Thanks

ObD
12-24-2003, 06:02 AM
My question is, if I get this adapter, and I have the bmw sirius receiver, antenna, etc., will I be able to view the artist/title/channel info on my radio? Thanks

You need the adapter to interface the CD changer to the Sirius unit. There is a CD extension cable, 84 11 0 150 526, which plugs between the BMW Sirius receiver and the adapter which you will also need. The functionality of the adapter will be the same whether you have Sirius or not. IIRC, control and only numbers are available from the CD changer with these adapters. No song info etc. AFAIK only a Phatbox MP3 player can display that type of info with an adapter.

Maxy
12-24-2003, 02:29 PM
You need the adapter to interface the CD changer to the Sirius unit. There is a CD extension cable, 84 11 0 150 526, which plugs between the BMW Sirius receiver and the adapter which you will also need. The functionality of the adapter will be the same whether you have Sirius or not. IIRC, control and only numbers are available from the CD changer with these adapters. No song info etc. AFAIK only a Phatbox MP3 player can display that type of info with an adapter.

So, in theory, using the Blitzsafe adapter (or possibly the XM direct receiver http://shop.store.yahoo.com/xmfanstore/xmdireforbm.html), both Sirius and XM could play through the head unit?

Zappo
12-26-2003, 10:08 PM
Obd .... Just received my new OEM BMW Sirius Receiver ordered from Pacific BMW for $238 (plus $93 for the OEM large antenna, $58 for the install kit and $11 for the CD Changer cable adapter). I noticed that although the P/N and HW numbers are the same as in your photo below, the SW verison has been upped from 40 to 41. :dunno:

My new unit's build date is 45/02. Just curious if you've heard about what that SW update might have been for? Also, the build date is over a year ago ... I hope I did not get an out-dated unit already. :cry:

Going to PnP install it tomorrow next to my CPT8000's telephone control unit (TCU) in the truck ... the install kit for CPT8000 owners is nice .... has brackets to mount it on the CPT8000 cradle plus that kit also includes the official BMW Sirius Users manual and install instructions, etc (instructions probably packaged with the install kits as an inducement to spend that extra $58 in my case). But the install looks like a snap :)

Zap :thumbup:

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=17050

ObD
12-27-2003, 07:12 PM
Just curious if you've heard about what that SW update might have been for? Also, the build date is over a year ago ... I hope I did not get an out-dated unit already.

:dunno: My Sirius unit is older than yours and works fine. I wouldn't worry about the Sirius SW version.

ObD
12-28-2003, 03:05 PM
So, in theory, using the Blitzsafe adapter (or possibly the XM direct receiver http://shop.store.yahoo.com/xmfanstore/xmdireforbm.html), both Sirius and XM could play through the head unit?

Should work except for XM direct. XM direct uses the Sat input mode for control which would conflict with the OEM Sirius. Also, you could plug an aftermarket XM receiver into the AUX port of the OEM headunit and play both.

MPJ
12-30-2003, 09:27 AM
Thanks again for this informative post. I sold my alpine cd changer (I need to see the song/artist info), and the sirius reciever/terk antenna stuff is on its way. I plan to do the install this weekend. I've read just about all I could find on the antenna install, and I am curious how one can run the wires behind the back seats if the seats fold down. The pictures I've seen elsewhere appear to show a rear seat area with a pass through only. I have the fold down seats. Does the antenna run around the perimeter of the seats? TIA, again.

ObD
12-30-2003, 10:28 AM
I have the fold down seats. Does the antenna run around the perimeter of the seats? TIA, again.

I have the fold down seats too. I run the wire down the center seat tether anchor, across the rear deck, and into the left side trunk location. Stole the idea from here: http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24477

I used to mount the receiver with velcro but thanks to a suggestion a few posts above, I loosened the top left amp screw and slipped the receiver in behind.

Riuster
01-02-2004, 12:46 PM
that Head unit must be over 400 bucks..no?, is that worth it to replace the head unit?

I put in the Kenwood Sirius Plug and play unit on the top left of the dashboard without a new head unit, using my existing unit of 02

the pic didnt come out too well.

MPJ
01-06-2004, 10:41 PM
Just wanted to thank everyone for their helpful posts in this thread. I successfully installed a new head unit on my 01 325, the sirius receiver, and the terk antenna and splitter. I need to "neaten up" the install, as I was quite eager to get the unit installed after I received the antenna today. Overall, a very nice upgrade :thumbup:

jluzbet
01-07-2004, 09:42 PM
Is it working perfectly ? My radio was changed by BMW last week bcuz the cd was not ejecting and they installed a newer model I think is 03 bcuz, Am I really that lucky ....

I will be ordering this so fast ... hey my Amex is rdy ... Thanks

3/01 production day :bigpimp:

Maxy
01-08-2004, 09:32 AM
Is it working perfectly ? My radio was changed by BMW last week bcuz the cd was not ejecting and they installed a newer model I think is 03 bcuz, Am I really that lucky ....

I will be ordering this so fast ... hey my Amex is rdy ... Thanks

3/01 production day :bigpimp:

I replaced my 01 OEM Blaupunkt with an 03 OEM Alpine unit and added an OEM aux input and OEM Sirius unit, both of which work perfectly. AM/FM reception in the new unit is acceptable, but not as good as with the original unit, either because of a change in receiver design or in the antenna system. (The new unit appears to have an internal AM antenna and required a couple of adapters to couple the FM antenna.) The RDS in the new unit operates inconsistently, although predictably inconsistently, too.

I would suspect that the dealer installed an older unit, because of the antenna plug differences. Without pulling your head unit out to check, however, there are two obvious external differences between the older Blaupunkt and the newer Alpine: 1. The Blaupunkt button says "CD" and the Alpine says "Mode". 2. The Alpine has small rectangular lights in the bottom corners of the CD slot.

LordByron
01-09-2004, 12:32 PM
Is it working perfectly ? My radio was changed by BMW last week bcuz the cd was not ejecting and they installed a newer model I think is 03 bcuz, Am I really that lucky ....

I will be ordering this so fast ... hey my Amex is rdy ... Thanks

3/01 production day :bigpimp:


You can find out if its an 03 radio .. check the radio version and software ID... look at previous posts here. If you are lucky as u say u are then you can get Sirius or the AUX Audio Input.

Ohmess
01-12-2004, 02:45 PM
Hi gang, great thread. :beerchug:

I'm interested in putting Sirius in my 540, and I've got some questions for the gurus out there. My head unit won't control the Sirius receiver, so it seems my options are limited. :cry:

1) I could get a Kenwood Sirius SAT radio unit and a Soundgate AUXBMW converter, give up the CD changer and control the Sirius unit with my existing head unit for about $300. I'd have to give up the CD changer, and wouldn't be able to see the song title displays. (I could offset some of the cost here by selling my CD changer.)

2) I could go for the Kenwood Sirius SAT radio unit, a Soundgate KBMWSIRV2 adapter, control the Sirius with my existing head unit, and keep the CD player. I wouldn't be able to see the song title displays. Total here would be about $425.

3) I could go for the head unit swap, the factory SAT radio and a Terk antenna for a total of about $550 and have it all.


I would do the install myself. Do my options and costs sound about right? Am I missing any options here? :dunno:

Help would be appreciated. :)

jluzbet
01-20-2004, 05:46 PM
Ok I went into my radio menu and what I get is gi45
gal 6
29970603 - i guess this is the serial ... So is it the gi the software version ?

ObD
01-20-2004, 06:17 PM
Ok I went into my radio menu and what I get is gi45
gal 6
29970603 - i guess this is the serial ... So is it the gi the software version ?

Should look like this:

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=17943

jluzbet
01-20-2004, 07:07 PM
Should look like this:

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=17943

Not even close ...
I will attach them one by one and you will see the different menus I get... :dunno:

jluzbet
01-20-2004, 07:09 PM
last two
any clue why mine is so different ? :dunno:

ObD
01-20-2004, 07:26 PM
last two
any clue why mine is so different ? :dunno:

Looks like they changed the software .... tha bastids! ;) ;) ;)

Pinecone
02-27-2004, 06:18 AM
Interesting thread.

I just checked the head unit in our 03/02 build M3. The head unit is the Alpine from the descriptions provided (Mode button vs CD and 2 rect. lights). But the SV 05-02 41, so it looks like a head unit swap will be required.

I checked, a new head unit would be $550 from the dealer with BMW CCA discount. I have to go by today, so I will check on the price of a refurbished unit.

I wonder how the software is done?? Chip or Program? If an EEPROM, could we copy one oout of a later radio and sell them??? :)

Zappo
02-27-2004, 12:27 PM
Check your AM reception to see if voices are cracking on a couple of your strongest "Talk Radio" AM stations (the 2002 Head Units are eligible for a warranty head unit swap out due to crackling). And if it crackles even slightly, they'll put in a refurbished '03 or newer head unit at no charge. That's what happened to me on my '02 M3.

The BMW Service Information Bulletin number is:

SIB 65 10 02 - Business CD53 Radio Has Distortion When In AM Band

http://members.roadfly.org/bmw_e46_m3/bulletins/651002.pdf

:thumbup:

Interesting thread.

I just checked the head unit in our 03/02 build M3. The head unit is the Alpine from the descriptions provided (Mode button vs CD and 2 rect. lights). But the SV 05-02 41, so it looks like a head unit swap will be required.

I checked, a new head unit would be $550 from the dealer with BMW CCA discount. I have to go by today, so I will check on the price of a refurbished unit.

I wonder how the software is done?? Chip or Program? If an EEPROM, could we copy one oout of a later radio and sell them??? :)

Pinecone
02-27-2004, 01:41 PM
Check your AM reception to see if voices are cracking on a couple of your strongest "Talk Radio" AM stations (the 2002 Head Units are eligible for a warranty head unit swap out due to crackling). And if it crackles even slightly, they'll put in a refurbished '03 or newer head unit at no charge. That's what happened to me on my '02 M3.

The BMW Service Information Bulletin number is:

SIB 65 10 02 - Business CD53 Radio Has Distortion When In AM Band

http://members.roadfly.org/bmw_e46_m3/bulletins/651002.pdf

:thumbup:

I though it was poor, as in hard to hear, AM stations, I never checked for this. But one dealer already knows I am looking for an excuse to replace the radio. Thanks.

I checked the parts guy today and the REAL story on the radio is that BMW charges a $500 core charge to teh dealer for the replacement radio, but they only accept core returns for warranty replacement. So the real cost of a new head unit from BMW is more like $995. $495 for the head unit, and $500 for the non-refundable to the customer core charge.

Nothing BMW NA having its head up its you know what. They should make it fairly easy for customers to get a later head unit so they can sell more Sirius units. HELLO!!!

Zappo
02-27-2004, 07:24 PM
I though it was poor, as in hard to hear, AM stations, I never checked for this. But one dealer already knows I am looking for an excuse to replace the radio.

If your radio is indeed crackling on AM voices, then it does not matter what the dealer knows or thinks you are trying to do. If, on the other hand, it sounds fine as-is, then the SIB would not be applicable. :confused:

Pinecone
02-28-2004, 05:49 AM
Well, I will test it today.

But if I were an SA and a guy ws intalking about how to get his radio replaced, then came in a couple of days later with a "problem" I would woonder.

But the dealer, I am sure, will swap the radio if the problem is evident. This is one of those rare dealers who don't seem to mind doing any SIB work, even if you come in with a copy of the SIB. :)

In fact, I had the M3 in and asked about the replacement diff fluid SIB. The SA looked it up, showed it to me and said "We can only do it is you complain of grinding noises. Are there grinding noises?" When I said Yes, they changed the fluid, no big deal. Unlike another dealer in the area. :)

mwnorman
03-17-2004, 06:05 PM
Can anyone tell me if there are different versions of the Business CD player in the 3 series? When I was shopping for the my car, they all looked the same...the difference seems to be if you upgraded to the HK speaker system.

Am I wrong?

I'm curious because my car does have the HK system and my brother does complain about the AM radio but neither of us actually hears 'popping/clipping.' It is just tonally crappy and fades A LOT.

Could it be that my radio isn't a Business CD53 (the radio designation in the service bulletin) and just suffers from poor sound and reception?

Thanks, Mike

Zappo
03-17-2004, 06:48 PM
Can anyone tell me if there are different versions of the Business CD player in the 3 series? When I was shopping for the my car, they all looked the same...the difference seems to be if you upgraded to the HK speaker system.


I believe the head unit is the same for both the HK system and the standard system in the U.S.

The HK option gets you better speakers and a couple of subwoofers (also maybe a bigger amp which is located in the truck). :thumbup:

babskinyc
03-17-2004, 08:08 PM
Regarding Sirius on 2003 Navigation Systems, it seems it does work on some - see http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=54433

I'm curious if the issue with Sirus compatibility on Navs is related to the software version on the Nav - or if its something different about the actual hardware that allows a nav after 8/03 to have Sirius and a Nav earlier in 2003 to not be compatible. Anyone know?

mwnorman
03-17-2004, 10:02 PM
I believe the head unit is the same for both the HK system and the standard system in the U.S.

The HK option gets you better speakers and a couple of subwoofers (also maybe a bigger amp which is located in the truck). :thumbup:

AH yes, AND a bigger amp. That I do remember - that wasn't the selling point for me (it was the extra speakers) but the sales guy did keep mentioning that.

Well, I tested the radio, asked my neighbor for his opinion, and then got my brother to come over and asked his opinion...I most definately have the clipping noise on AM. Funny how I never noticed before.

I guess that could be good for getting Sirius! But that means a trip to BMW Northwest - I have a feeling it'll be associated with arguing. :(

MysticBlue
03-19-2004, 06:00 PM
Long thread so maybe it's been answered and I missed it, but has anyone tried mounting the antenna on the back shelf with tinted windows?

coneen
04-12-2004, 01:08 PM
I have a 2002 325xi. My Radio is 39-01 40.

I know my head unit isn't compatible with Sirius. Is there anyway to get the software upgrade?

Also, I've looked on Ebay and on Fanatics to find a new head unit to buy. There don't seem to be any available currently.

Anywhere else I might find one?

Thanks,
Conneen

crawform
06-18-2004, 01:46 PM
I have a 2002 330i and I have been dying to get Sirius and have been following this thread for quite some time...last week I was able to have my head unit swapped out due to the "crackling AM radio" problem.

The Good News is the dealership replaced it with a brand new 2004 head unit!

The BAD news is, however, that I just called Circle BMW to order the parts and they refused to sell the receiver to me! They are checking VIN numbers of the car and they will only sell the receiver MY 2003+ How lame is this? Has this happened to anyone else?

Does anyone have a recommendation? :cry:

Zappo
06-20-2004, 04:27 PM
They are checking VIN numbers of the car and they will only sell the receiver MY 2003+ How lame is this? Has this happened to anyone else?

Does anyone have a recommendation? :cry:

:eeps: Are your saying that Circle will only sell the BMW Sirius Receiver to owners of 2003 or newer cars????

I mail ordered all the following stuff for my 2002 M3 after the head unit was warranty swapped for a 2003MY Head Unit last December from Pacific BMW in Glendale, CA with no problemo:

Receiver (BMW Part # 384-11-0-141-981 at $238.80), Sirius Antenna (BMW Part # 384-11-0-141-979 at $93.60), Sirius Install Kit (BMW Part # 384-11-0-150-530 at $58.50)

Give their mail order parts number a call on Monday at (818) 552-4747 and let us know how it goes. The only part number that may be different on your case may be the Install Kit (which strongly I recommend because it includes the BMW Sirius Operating Manual and Install instructions along with some brackets). If you also have a Trunk Mounted BMW CD Player, you'll need the jump-over cable (BMW Part # 384-11-0-150-526 at $11.76). Also check to see if the antenna part number has changed as they may now be offering the newer second generation smaller version antenna (although I doubt it).

All parts worked fine for me and I love Sirius, plus I was lucky enough to pickup a lifetime subscription for the old price of $399 and no activation fee (only offered through Dec 03). I think a lifetime subscription is now about $500.

Shipping ran about $20 for UPS ground to the Pacific NW, but I also had the M3 front strut-tower cross bar kit included with that shipment. Also no sales tax if you live outside CA.

Good luck :thumbup:

srbim
06-25-2004, 03:58 PM
I have a 2002 330i and I have been dying to get Sirius and have been following this thread for quite some time...last week I was able to have my head unit swapped out due to the "crackling AM radio" problem.

The Good News is the dealership replaced it with a brand new 2004 head unit!

The BAD news is, however, that I just called Circle BMW to order the parts and they refused to sell the receiver to me! They are checking VIN numbers of the car and they will only sell the receiver MY 2003+ How lame is this? Has this happened to anyone else?

Does anyone have a recommendation? :cry:

Buy it from Pacific BMW, Circle did the same thing to me.

TKrotchko
07-17-2004, 01:45 PM
Installed Sirius in my E46.

[...]
3) Connect Sirius to CD changer cabling in trunk (3 & 6 pin)



Question... I fished out all the wires in the trunk. There was one bundle with lots of connectors and wires. I assume this is for the phone.

I found a 2nd bundle that has a 3 pin and 6 pin connector, I assume this is the correct one right?

But on the back of the Sirius, there is a 12 pin connector. Is this used? Or is this for cars with other options or series?

I don't have my newer head unit yet, so I plugged in the 3 & 6, and the 2002 head unit doesn't see it (I thought perhaps it would give me an error). Its a pretty trivial installation. Now if the head unit goes as well, I'll be in business.

richardkf
10-20-2004, 03:56 PM
No wiring mods. The two CD changer cables plugged directly into the BMW Sirius receiver and the headunit was a one for one swap with the power/signal and antenna connectors. IIRC for the E39 swapping the head unit should be similar.


ObD - you are a wealth of knowedge.

Two Questions:

1. I have a 2000 323CI that I would like to put a 2003 Sirius Business CD in. Besides the antenna adapter, will I need any other adapters for connecting it behind the dash - I read something on this site or another site about pre-02's having square pins on the HU and 2002+ having circular pins? Would like to get some input before I take the plunge.

2. Will the BMW Sirius equipment that goes in the trunk mate to the CD connections in my 2000 trunk since my car is only pre-wired for CD and not for Satellite (which was not an option at the time) - or will I have to get adapters (if so, where?) or slice wires?

Thanks again! :thumbup:

ObD
10-20-2004, 06:21 PM
ObD - you are a wealth of knowedge.

Two Questions:

1. I have a 2000 323CI that I would like to put a 2003 Sirius Business CD in. Besides the antenna adapter, will I need any other adapters for connecting it behind the dash - I read something on this site or another site about pre-02's having square pins on the HU and 2002+ having circular pins? Would like to get some input before I take the plunge.

2. Will the BMW Sirius equipment that goes in the trunk mate to the CD connections in my 2000 trunk since my car is only pre-wired for CD and not for Satellite (which was not an option at the time) - or will I have to get adapters (if so, where?) or slice wires?

Thanks again! :thumbup:

1) I have heard of adapter cabling but not familiar with it since mine was plug and play. Alpine units are swappable. If it's not Alpine you need the aforementioned adapters. Pretty easy to check what you have now by pulling the radio.

2) I think they changed the wiring so although the CD changer is compatible, Sirius isn't. I believe there is an extra wire for 2001+ in the CD changer signal wiring. Power wiring is the same.

I think your best bet is aftermarket. Not a complete integration but still works. Plus a lot cheaper.

richardkf
10-20-2004, 10:01 PM
1) I have heard of adapter cabling but not familiar with it since mine was plug and play. Alpine units are swappable. If it's not Alpine you need the aforementioned adapters. Pretty easy to check what you have now by pulling the radio.

2) I think they changed the wiring so although the CD changer is compatible, Sirius isn't. I believe there is an extra wire for 2001+ in the CD changer signal wiring. Power wiring is the same.

I think your best bet is aftermarket. Not a complete integration but still works. Plus a lot cheaper.

Thanks I will pull the HU this weekend and make sure it is Alpine. Real good info before I spend the dough.

I know I can add the XM Direct/Blitzsafe setup that is sold through www.myradiostore.com via my CD wiring in the trunk - do you know of a similar setup for Sirius? I really prefer the Sirius content (and free net streaming) over XM.

JRahn
10-22-2004, 11:07 PM
How about paintmatching either the Sirius or Terk Antenna? I have Topaz Blue (yes, metallic) do you think I would cause any signal issues? anything has to be better than a big black "mouse" on the roof! I am also a bit leary on mounting it to the rear deck due to my plans for Huper Optik tinting (as soon as I find a shop in the NY, or CT area)

Anyone heard of this type of Sirius retro-fit playing nice with the factory 6-disc CD changer, or is it one or the other? I plan to purchase the Sirius rec'vr kit from Circle BMW here in NJ
BTW - I have the HK system with the CD Changer in the trunk, Tape player in the headunit (the car was mfg in 12/02, and is titled as an 03) I'll confirm the software version of the radio, but presume that the Sirius will be plug and play?

Thanks for your help!!

CWolfey
10-23-2004, 04:14 AM
This was a long an informative thread and I have tried not to ask any repeatitive questions, but I gotta have Satelite radio.

I didnt see my date and software version spoken about here, is mine higher than needed or am I screwed also? 28-02 81 I have a 3/03 build MY2004

Just to be sure at this time there is no XM soultion with full control and display available especially for Nav equipped Vehicles?

If Sirius is my only option I just really need to know if my Radio is compatible and would I have to swap out the trunk mounted Nav unit as well as the from LCD unit?

JRahn
10-23-2004, 06:29 PM
How about paintmatching either the Sirius or Terk Antenna? I have Topaz Blue (yes, metallic) do you think I would cause any signal issues? anything has to be better than a big black "mouse" on the roof! I am also a bit leary on mounting it to the rear deck due to my plans for Huper Optik tinting (as soon as I find a shop in the NY, or CT area)

Anyone heard of this type of Sirius retro-fit playing nice with the factory 6-disc CD changer, or is it one or the other? I plan to purchase the Sirius rec'vr kit from Circle BMW here in NJ
BTW - I have the HK system with the CD Changer in the trunk, Tape player in the headunit (the car was mfg in 12/02, and is titled as an 03) I'll confirm the software version of the radio, but presume that the Sirius will be plug and play?

Thanks for your help!!


I checked the HU for the Software version and I think it's all good!
I come up with SV 45-02 510

Can I get a confirm :dunno:

sorianoa
10-24-2004, 05:59 PM
How good is the Sirius sound quality? Compared to CD or good FM station.

THanks

JRahn
10-25-2004, 12:44 PM
I have it in my other car currently and it is CD quality, I have reservations about the FM modulated versions, but the direct unit (Kenwood Excelon) I have is great!

Terry Kennedy
11-15-2004, 04:34 PM
I didnt see my date and software version spoken about here, is mine higher than needed or am I screwed also? 28-02 81 I have a 3/03 build MY2004That is 8.1 and doesn't support Sirius. I upgraded to the latest BM53 radio (... 911) which has software version 8.8 and supports Sirius.
Just to be sure at this time there is no XM soultion with full control and display available especially for Nav equipped Vehicles?At the moment, XM Direct only supports non-NAV BMWs. They are working on a NAV version, but it isn't out yet. You'll still need a Sirius-capable car to install it, though.
If Sirius is my only option I just really need to know if my Radio is compatible and would I have to swap out the trunk mounted Nav unit as well as the from LCD unit?You need to swap the BM53 radio in the trunk. I got Sirius working with my original (09/2002 build) MK IV NAV computer, but some people say there are display issues unless you have a newer NAV computer. The display doesn't matter for Sirius.

Plaz
11-17-2004, 04:52 PM
So, let's see if I've got this straight...

On my Nav-equipped model year 2002 (12/01 build) 330i, I'm SOL for the OEM Sirius solution unless I upgrade my Nav computer (not gonna happen... too much $$). Right?

So, is there an aftermarket solution that provides *some* integration? Blitzsafe? If so, what can it do and not do?

Appreciate the help. Great thread, if a bit much to digest in one sitting. :)

Terry Kennedy
11-17-2004, 04:57 PM
So, let's see if I've got this straight...

On my Nav-equipped model year 2002 (12/01 build) 330i, I'm SOL for the OEM Sirius solution unless I upgrade my Nav computer (not gonna happen... too much $$). Right?Right. But you also get a DVD-based NAV computer (much faster, and the whole US on one disc - handy if you travel widely, or happen to live near the border points of the NavTeq CD maps).

You'd need a MK IV NAV, a BM53 radio, and possibly some adapter harnesses for the BM53 (if yours has round pins, you need the adapter).

I have an early production (09/2002) MK IV that I've tested with the Sirius kit, as well as a new-in-the-box BM53 radio and a 2004-2 NAV disc that I'd like to sell. PM me with what you think is a reasonable offer.
So, is there an aftermarket solution that provides *some* integration? Blitzsafe? If so, what can it do and not do?I'm pretty sure BlitzSafe works exclusively with XM. You may need to look at one of the other adapter vendors.[/QUOTE]

jvr826
11-18-2004, 11:14 AM
I'm getting my BM53 replaced under the service measure referenced in another thread. I have nav. I inquired about getting the Sirius compatible radio unit instead of the standard replacement. My SA tells me Sirius cannot be installed in an E39 with nav, period, even with the DVD nav computer. From what I read here and around, he's incorrect. Then again, he didn't know anything about the HK/Nav radio issue or service measure either until I gave it to him.

Ilyam5
11-30-2004, 02:07 PM
I'm getting my BM53 replaced under the service measure referenced in another thread. I have nav. I inquired about getting the Sirius compatible radio unit instead of the standard replacement. My SA tells me Sirius cannot be installed in an E39 with nav, period, even with the DVD nav computer. From what I read here and around, he's incorrect. Then again, he didn't know anything about the HK/Nav radio issue or service measure either until I gave it to him.

He is incorrect. I have an 03 m5 with DVD NAv and jsut got my Sirius working. All you need is the new radio unit (Sirius compatible). Check bmwnav.com for the part number. Make sure you switch your radio to US mode.

Turn off the radio.
Turn it back on and immediately press and hold SEL button for 15 sec.
You'll see the menu with serial number. Use arrows to scroll till you see
Area: chises are USA, EUR, or NOAREA. press 1 to choose USA.
Turn off the car, turn back on. You are set.

When buying sirius make sure you get the unit for the car with NAV. See number om martins site bmw nav.com

NH-SHICKS
12-27-2004, 10:29 AM
Hi-

What a great thread!

I am having trouble finding the menu that has the software version of my headunit. I have a 2001 325i and just had the HU replaced last week with a new one. I'm not sure if is SIRIUS ready, I did not have a choice, it was a warranty replacement.

I cannot seem to turn the radio on with the ignition key off. If I hold the M button while the radio is on, I get a menu, but nothing that looks like the software version.

Any help would be appreciated,
Thanks,
Steve

Technic
12-27-2004, 10:56 AM
Hi-

What a great thread!

I am having trouble finding the menu that has the software version of my headunit. I have a 2001 325i and just had the HU replaced last week with a new one. I'm not sure if is SIRIUS ready, I did not have a choice, it was a warranty replacement.

I cannot seem to turn the radio on with the ignition key off. If I hold the M button while the radio is on, I get a menu, but nothing that looks like the software version.

Any help would be appreciated,
Thanks,
Steve

http://members.roadfly.org/bmw_e46_m3/bulletins/650704.pdf

JRahn
12-30-2004, 01:18 PM
Can anyone who has installed the OEM BMW Sirius receiver tell me if this "new" antenna will plug in?
http://www.crutchfield.com/S-Zcli3nJT8AN/cgi-bin/ProdView.asp?g=177450&I=003SIR1SAF

Thanks!

ObD
12-30-2004, 05:38 PM
Can anyone who has installed the OEM BMW Sirius receiver tell me if this "new" antenna will plug in?
http://www.crutchfield.com/S-Zcli3nJT8AN/cgi-bin/ProdView.asp?g=177450&I=003SIR1SAF

Thanks!

It will work but you'll need one of these for the OEM receiver dual antenna input connection.

Terk SIR-SP splitter (http://www.crutchfield.com/S-zgm6QPU5wVj/cgi-bin/ProdView.asp?s=0&cc=01&i=209SIRSP&o=&a=)

NH-SHICKS
12-30-2004, 05:42 PM
http://members.roadfly.org/bmw_e46_m3/bulletins/650704.pdf


The link did not work. could you email the pdf to me?

shicks30@hotmail.com

Thanks

JRahn
12-31-2004, 01:23 PM
The link did not work. could you email the pdf to me?

shicks30@hotmail.com

Thanks

Sorry crutchfield doesnt have a PDF available on their site.

NH-SHICKS
12-31-2004, 02:49 PM
Sorry crutchfield doesnt have a PDF available on their site.


Thanks, I was responding to a different post.

Thank you anyway.

Steve

droopy1592
02-11-2005, 11:50 AM
Woohoo! This has been an intense read! I read the thread from start to finish and the whole time I was reading it I was searching over ebay, e46 fanatics, and everywhere else looking for the version I needed. I've been on a phone with a guy with a 2002 model w/ software version 41, and other ones had already been sold.

Then I read the part about the crackling AM, and I go outside and my AM is just a crackling away! I won't have to spend a dime on the HU, so now I can just upgrade my speakers and amp and get the Sirius unit.


I also want to know if anyone has tint on their rear window with this antenna on the read deck? I wonder how well it works. Also, does anyone have the link to that service bulletin that works?

droopy1592
02-11-2005, 12:06 PM
Now I need to know where to fish the wires from. I pulled the carpet back, but there are wires taped down everywhere.

I have an appointment next week for them to replace my headunit @ 130PM TUesday.

pnut4912
02-25-2005, 10:18 AM
i got all the pieces - head unit, reciever, mini antenna, 2-1 adaptor - and just spent the last hour installing it. confirmed the 02/50 config and i installed all the parts. when i hit mode, sat doesnt show up. do i need to disconnet the battery and let it cycle thru, or am i missing something else?

saccorator
03-01-2005, 08:29 AM
I recenlty got a 2005 X3 with the satellite radio prewire option. Does anyone know what I need to install Sirius? Do I need the antenna etc? Is Circle BMW the best place for the parts? I am often in the NJ area and know Circle BMW. My dealer told me that it will cost me $600 for the sirius install, but he did not mention the price being lower if I had the prewire option...any idea? Thanks for the help!

paintedantenna
03-01-2005, 06:52 PM
I run a small company where we color match the antenna to your vehicle. We paint them the same way the factory does. Just thoght that info would help some folks out who are looking for a cleaner setup on their BMWs
www.colormatchantenna.com
http://www.colormatchantenna.com/pictures/taylors_avatar.jpg

nhs510
03-02-2005, 10:38 AM
Since this thread is like a forum of it's own, I'll post this here...

I got mine all set up tonight and now it won't take the hit that's sent out to activate, just keeps toggling between "CALL^888" and "539-SIRIUS" no matter how many hits the SIRIUS reps send out (I've called 4 times). I don't even get the audio of the preview channel 184 like I did before activating my other (non-BMW) SIRIUS receivers.

I'm wondering if it's an issue with it being activated/deactivated before..? :dunno:

Only reason I ask is because I swapped in the BMW receiver to my SIRIUS account, swapping out a standalone unit I have been using. Once the standalone unit was swapped out, it did the same thing -- no preview channel, no audio, just a scrolling msg to "Call 888-539-SIRIUS" -- it didn't even care if the antenna was plugged in or not -- same msg scrolled across. It looks like these units act differently once they've been used and deactivated.

I will say that the rep was able to reactivate the standalone unit out of this state, but the BMW receiver does not respond at all.

I hope I didn't get burned here by someone selling me a fried receiver. :censor: I'm trying not to let myself go there yet -- thinking through what could be up with this thing!? :hmm:

nhs510
03-02-2005, 11:41 PM
I am mixing an antenna I had from another Sirius kit for my wife's car (because it's smaller than the SIR3) with the Terk splitter, and eventhough it clicked in like it was connected, the FAKRA connector on the splitter was not letting the antenna plug in far enough, so I had no connection. I cut away some of the green casing (wasn't sure how to completely remove the single end FAKRA of the splitter, it's different than the other 2), and now everything is kosher.

The main thing I learned is that you get no preview channel or "aquiring" message if the receiver has been used and then deactivated. Your connections and line of sight better be good, because it gives you no clues as to why if it doesn't activate when the rep sends a hit.

Oh well, I'm gruuvin' now, so now worries! :thumbup:

Technic
03-03-2005, 06:37 AM
Finally I bought the Sirius kit for my 2004 M3 with retrofit Navigation. In addition I have the HK system with the iPod ice>Link Plus, all integrated in to the car system and working flawlessly. The installation is really plug 'n play and the activation was straight forward. I have the antenna in the rear shelf left corner and the reception is perfect so far, notwithstanding the tint rear window.

Everything looks perfect so far, until I had to change the radio country area back to the USA from the OCE that I set the radio up originally because the Sirius tuner only works in the USA area. I posted this observation before and now I definitely confirmed it: USA area sound quality sucks big time compared to OCE area. As is, AM sound quality vs. CD quality.

Long story short, my OEM retrofit Nav kit was an European part that included a Professional tuner that could not be programmed to the USA area, it was hardware fixed to EUROPE. Initially I did not know this so when I first listened to the radio and the CD player the difference in sound quality over my dash unit Business CD was night and day. Sound stage and definition was outstanding. I concluded that because the Nav tuner was a Professional that was the reason of the upgraded sound quality in all sources. Wrong, big time wrong.

Once I found out that there was no AM frequencies in the EUROPE area my kit seller exchanged the tuner for an US Business tuner. That's when, after installing it, I first noticed that the sound quality difference is not because of the Professional tuner but to the USA area sound processing. My Business tuner BM53 has this area called OCE (Oceania) that has the correct AM/FM frequencies while keeping the Euro area better sound quality intact, so I set my radio to that area and never had any problem, only excellent sound. Only the RDS feature in FM seems to be affected by this OCE area, it looks like the PTY database for station types is different from the USA, for example, R&B stations are shown as VARIED. Nothing major, regardless.

Unfortunately, for the Sirius to work the radio has to be in the USA area. I honestly can say that changing the area back to USA to make the satellite radio section work is not worth the price of the Sirius kit IMO. The sound quality in all sources has gone down the drain, the iPod, the FM radio, the CD player and the Sirius. The fullness of the sound, the highs, the stage, the definition that I experienced before is gone for good... now the sound quality as flat as it used to be before my Nav retrofit.

That big is the difference in my personal opinion; it seems that the ST (stereo) function for the USA area sets the preamp section of the tuner in some kind of equalization "curve" or signal processing that is noticiably different -as in a limited or filtered frequency response- from the OCE/Europe signal processing (there is no "ST" shown while in OCE/EUROPE area).

Being dissapointed is an understatement... :(

trikerider
03-05-2005, 06:39 PM
OEM location of the Sirius antenna sucks and looks like this:

http://www.ccad.uiowa.edu/~beck/330i/SiriusAntenna1.jpg

and this:

http://www.ccad.uiowa.edu/~beck/330i/SiriusAntenna2.jpg

Wasn't very happy with the results but lived with the OEM install for a week and a half so I knew what kind of reception I'd get with the OEM recommended location where the antenna is on the outside of the car.

With the new location of the antenna the reception is just as good. No difference at all and you'd never guess the little bump in the rear dash was a sirius antenna:

http://www.ccad.uiowa.edu/~beck/330i/StelthSirius025.jpg

http://www.ccad.uiowa.edu/~beck/330i/StelthSirius027.jpg

http://www.ccad.uiowa.edu/~beck/330i/StelthSirius026.jpg

http://www.ccad.uiowa.edu/~beck/330i/StelthSirius028.jpg

http://www.ccad.uiowa.edu/~beck/330i/StelthSirius032.jpg

#750 (thanks for showing that there was a better way)

sna77
03-06-2005, 08:55 PM
wait, do you need the sirrius receiver that gets mounted where the ac controls are?

http://www.pacificbmw.com/new/parts/frame2.asp?prodid=1479&modelid=523

this is what pacbmw shows it looks like:

ObD
03-07-2005, 10:19 AM
wait, do you need the sirrius receiver that gets mounted where the ac controls are?

The receiver mounts in the trunk where the CD Changer/NAV is. Depending on the year of manufacture you need to swap out the headunit with one which has the proper software to recognize the Sirius receiver. Generally a late model one.

sna77
03-07-2005, 10:24 AM
The receiver mounts in the trunk where the CD Changer/NAV is. Depending on the year of manufacture you need to swap out the headunit with one which has the proper software to recognize the Sirius receiver. Generally a late model one.


Got the headunit part... need a 2003 or newer occording to BMW... Do the newer headunits fit into the older cars without a hitch or do i needs some sort of antenna adapter or something?

So... I'd need to do this:

1. replace headunit
2. buy sirius receiver that gets mounted in trunk
3. buy sirius antenna

missing anything?

Technic
03-07-2005, 03:07 PM
Got the headunit part... need a 2003 or newer occording to BMW... Do the newer headunits fit into the older cars without a hitch or do i needs some sort of antenna adapter or something?

So... I'd need to do this:

1. replace headunit
2. buy sirius receiver that gets mounted in trunk
3. buy sirius antenna

missing anything?

The first post of this same thread explains the best what you need to get your 2001 E46 rolling with Sirius... http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showpost.php?p=473616&postcount=1 :thumbup:

ObD
03-07-2005, 04:58 PM
Do the newer headunits fit into the older cars without a hitch or do i needs some sort of antenna adapter or something?

They will fit in 2001's and newer. A 2001 will need a radio antenna adapter but I don't know what the part number is.

Technic
03-07-2005, 05:44 PM
They will fit in 2001's and newer. A 2001 will need a radio antenna adapter but I don't know what the part number is.

Here you go... http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showpost.php?p=2283331&postcount=2

pnut4912
03-09-2005, 06:55 AM
i finally got my setup working. i went into the dealership and bitched and moaned about everything i could think of with my headunit (2002/50 unit). i went to go pick it up and they had just completely replaced it. Lucky me. so now i had everything i needed, installed it all and now im working great. Except the antenna is on the rear shelf, and i have tints so im not getting such great signal. For those of you with the antenna on the roof near the rear window, what did you use to secure the wires next to the rear windows and run them down into the trunk?

DeanQ
03-18-2005, 09:00 AM
I have an 04' X3 but it didnt come with that stupid $75 sirius pre-wire kit on it.
Can I still install the BMW sirius kit on the 04 X3 even though it didnt come with the sirius prewire option installed? I do not have NAV or a CD changer. Please let me know. I called circle bmw and they said NO. I needed the pre-wire kit. That just doenst seem right?

Technic
03-18-2005, 01:17 PM
I have an 04' X3 but it didnt come with that stupid $75 sirius pre-wire kit on it.
Can I still install the BMW sirius kit on the 04 X3 even though it didnt come with the sirius prewire option installed? I do not have NAV or a CD changer. Please let me know. I called circle bmw and they said NO. I needed the pre-wire kit. That just doenst seem right?

...I thought that that option 693 (Sat prewire) was just the antenna and the cable. Why just use another antenna instead of the one in the prewire? Is this some kind of 'special frequency' antenna that nobody else has and cannot be replaced by an aftermarket one? :dunno:

DeanQ
03-18-2005, 06:58 PM
...I thought that that option 693 (Sat prewire) was just the antenna and the cable. Why just use another antenna instead of the one in the prewire? Is this some kind of 'special frequency' antenna that nobody else has and cannot be replaced by an aftermarket one? :dunno:


I called numerous dealers and they all said no. I actually called Soundgate and I guess I spoke to someone there who knows his ****. Maybe the maker of the product? He said it won't work. He said BMW used their own proprietary connections from the BMW cd player to the BMW Sat receiver. He said it doesnt use the fat round cable that you normally see with a kenwood head unit and a kenwood sirius receiver. He said you could make it work but he said you would have to make your own 4 wires and then take the 4 wires and make a custom plastic end piece to connect back to the headunit. He told me to just give up. The pre-wire is the proprietary wiring from the headunit to the trunk.

So I went ahead and bought the soundgate BMW to Kenwood unit adapter. My local stereo shop had one in stock for $110. I will install it tomm with my kenwood sat receiver.

He said I will lose most sirius info on the screen. I will only be able to see the channel numbers. WHich I'm cool with. My main goal was to keep the steering wheel controls.

Technic
03-19-2005, 04:42 AM
I called numerous dealers and they all said no. I actually called Soundgate and I guess I spoke to someone there who knows his ****. Maybe the maker of the product? He said it won't work. He said BMW used their own proprietary connections from the BMW cd player to the BMW Sat receiver. He said it doesnt use the fat round cable that you normally see with a kenwood head unit and a kenwood sirius receiver. He said you could make it work but he said you would have to make your own 4 wires and then take the 4 wires and make a custom plastic end piece to connect back to the headunit. He told me to just give up. The pre-wire is the proprietary wiring from the headunit to the trunk.

So I went ahead and bought the soundgate BMW to Kenwood unit adapter. My local stereo shop had one in stock for $110. I will install it tomm with my kenwood sat receiver.

He said I will lose most sirius info on the screen. I will only be able to see the channel numbers. WHich I'm cool with. My main goal was to keep the steering wheel controls.

So in the X3 the Sirius tuner does not use the existing CD Changer connectors?

DeanQ
03-19-2005, 07:14 AM
So in the X3 the Sirius tuner does not use the existing CD Changer connectors?


It has the cd changer connector but it also has a bunch of other crap that a kenwood sirius tuner doesnt have. Plug (3) is the changer plug.
(2) is the antenna, (4) is the audio and (5) is the power.

Terry Kennedy
03-19-2005, 09:00 AM
It has the cd changer connector but it also has a bunch of other crap that a kenwood sirius tuner doesnt have. Plug (3) is the changer plug. (2) is the antenna, (4) is the audio and (5) is the power.That looks like the standard new-style (1 antenna lead) BMW Sirius tuner. It should work on all i-bus BMWs that support Sirius in the head unit.

Technic
03-19-2005, 09:25 AM
It has the cd changer connector but it also has a bunch of other crap that a kenwood sirius tuner doesnt have. Plug (3) is the changer plug.
(2) is the antenna, (4) is the audio and (5) is the power.

Just to clarify: I am talking of installing the OEM Sirius tuner in your X3, not adapting the aftermarket Kenwood tuner.

Isn't that (3) the CD Changer bypass cable? If so then the only connector that you are missing is the antenna one, because your X3 already has the 6- and 3-pin connectors and the bypass cable is optional. I have an E46 so I cannot tell you anything about DSP in case that your X3 has that system, but in the X5 with DSP (according to the installation intructions) an Audio extension cable is needed... and maybe that is the part of the "Sat prep kit" that your car is missing.

I do think that the antenna connection is a non issue -a Terk antenna can do it- but the missing DSP (if DSP is in your X3) extension cable probably is the reason why dealers are telling you that you cannot have the OEM Sirius retrofitted. :confused:

ObD
03-19-2005, 10:56 AM
the reason why dealers are telling you that you cannot have the OEM Sirius retrofitted. :confused:


The X3 headunit is physically different from a 325/330. I suspect a hardware/software compatibility issue. While in the 325/330 it is the software which recognizes the Sirius receiver, in the X3 it is hardware which recognizes the Sirius receiver. If the hardware wires aren't there, no worky. :D

I have Sat Prep option on my E90, so I should have a definitive answer in May.

DeanQ
03-19-2005, 02:56 PM
Just to clarify: I am talking of installing the OEM Sirius tuner in your X3, not adapting the aftermarket Kenwood tuner.

Isn't that (3) the CD Changer bypass cable? If so then the only connector that you are missing is the antenna one, because your X3 already has the 6- and 3-pin connectors and the bypass cable is optional. I have an E46 so I cannot tell you anything about DSP in case that your X3 has that system, but in the X5 with DSP (according to the installation intructions) an Audio extension cable is needed... and maybe that is the part of the "Sat prep kit" that your car is missing.

I do think that the antenna connection is a non issue -a Terk antenna can do it- but the missing DSP (if DSP is in your X3) extension cable probably is the reason why dealers are telling you that you cannot have the OEM Sirius retrofitted. :confused:


Well here is the problem though. If you have the sat prep kit, all of the wires you see in the diagram is in the trunk on the left side already. You mount it behind the carpet and boom, you are done. SInce there is no pre-wire I am forced (if it even works) to mount the sirius unit under the armrest since the cd changer pre-wire cables are there the ones numbered 4 and 5 in the diagram. There are no other cables under the armrest to use. So after hooking up cables 4 and 5 and bringing in a terk antenna, there is no guarentee the radio will work and see sirius. Thats the answer I was trying to get from the dealer. I figure it would be that easy? I assume I do not need plug #3 since I do not have a changer anyways unless some other type of info is being being sent on the changer cable.

If I buy a BMW sirius unit to test there are no refunds from the dealer I think. And I do not have DSP or the premium radio or NAV.

Technic
03-19-2005, 06:53 PM
Well here is the problem though. If you have the sat prep kit, all of the wires you see in the diagram is in the trunk on the left side already. You mount it behind the carpet and boom, you are done. SInce there is no pre-wire I am forced (if it even works) to mount the sirius unit under the armrest since the cd changer pre-wire cables are there the ones numbered 4 and 5 in the diagram. There are no other cables under the armrest to use. So after hooking up cables 4 and 5 and bringing in a terk antenna, there is no guarentee the radio will work and see sirius. Thats the answer I was trying to get from the dealer. I figure it would be that easy? I assume I do not need plug #3 since I do not have a changer anyways unless some other type of info is being being sent on the changer cable.

If I buy a BMW sirius unit to test there are no refunds from the dealer I think. And I do not have DSP or the premium radio or NAV.

Now I get it... and still I believe that it could work only if you can find a dealer that can test it for you. Personally I have borrowed parts from dealers with no problems to test in my car, even an OEM CD Changer, in their parking lot before buying them just to be on the safe side. It seems to me that what you need is something like the Audio Extension Cable -just a cable longer than the one you got- for the X5 that simply extend your armrest 3- and 6-pin connectors to the left side of the cargo area.

The way to make sure if this "Sat Prep" wiring have some special circuitry that is not in your car right now -I seriously doubt it, especially if you do not have DSP- for the Sirius is to take a look to the Sirius installation instructions of the X3 to see if there is a wiring diagram at the end of the document; I could not find one online anywhere but the dealer's parts guy can give you one if you ask nicely... or even better, you can talk with one of the techs if available and find out the issue with this cabling without even asking for a tuner as a "loaner" .

If you find out that either the tuner works in your armrest or the cable is just longer, then you or any audio shop can extend your CD Changer cables to the trunk, get a Terk antenna and be set. :D

DeanQ
03-19-2005, 08:04 PM
I got the PDF right here for X3's without NAV. Tell me if you see what you are talking about. I will ask the part dept if I could use one to test for 5 mins. Thats how long literally it will take to test it.

Technic
03-19-2005, 09:26 PM
I got the PDF right here for X3's without NAV. Tell me if you see what you are talking about. I will ask the part dept if I could use one to test for 5 mins. Thats how long literally it will take to test it.

Some BMW installation intructions have a simple wiring schematic at the end (E46 Nav Retrofit, AUX input) but this one does not have any... let me ask next week the parts person that sold me my Sirius receiver if there is any circuitry in the "Sat Prep" option in the X3 without Nav nor DSP and I'll post the information here.

I am curious now too in finding out what this "Sat prep" is all about... if the option is $75.00 I bet that it will be the Sat antenna/cabling and just a longer cable to the trunk with the CD Changer bypass plug attached. :D

DeanQ
03-21-2005, 07:30 AM
Some BMW installation intructions have a simple wiring schematic at the end (E46 Nav Retrofit, AUX input) but this one does not have any... let me ask next week the parts person that sold me my Sirius receiver if there is any circuitry in the "Sat Prep" option in the X3 without Nav nor DSP and I'll post the information here.

I am curious now too in finding out what this "Sat prep" is all about... if the option is $75.00 I bet that it will be the Sat antenna/cabling and just a longer cable to the trunk with the CD Changer bypass plug attached. :D

I just thought of something. If I used the cd changer plugs in the console of the X3 wouldnt the BMW headunit just assume the samething my soundgate device did? It would shoot the BMW sirius info to the Cd changer input behind the headunit? The soundgate device did work but I didn't like it. I can't save any preset station. I didnt care about not being able to see artist and song title but scrolling from channel 1 to channel 100 sucks. I was just wondering if the BMW sirius unit would do the same crap if I used the cd changer plugs or if its smart enough to decipher what it is? Its possible the BMW pre-wire going to the trunk is actually going behind the BMW cd player specifically for the BMW sirius input on the radio?

ObD
03-21-2005, 08:59 AM
I can't save any preset station. I didnt care about not being able to see artist and song title but scrolling from channel 1 to channel 100 sucks

This is how the Soundgate device works and not a function of where it gets plugged in.

As far as the BMW receiver, in theory it should work in the CD changer position. However, there is no way to prove this other than trying it. If it does work, than BMW is not right about it not working. In the pre-wiring there may be a wiring change or resistors in the line which makes it unique and therefore not work.

Norseman
03-31-2005, 08:39 AM
Hello,

I got e46 with production date of 06/2002. I need to have my radio headunit replaced due to faulty buttons.

I have read that there is a new part # for headunits between 2001 and 2004 and that they all would support AUX input.


Does anyone know if this is correct????

Thank you,

sna77
03-31-2005, 08:43 AM
Hello,

I got e46 with production date of 06/2002. I need to have my radio headunit replaced due to faulty buttons.

I have read that there is a new part # for headunits between 2001 and 2004 and that they all would support AUX input.


Does anyone know if this is correct????

Thank you,


Yes, BMW switched manufacturers from Blaupunt to Alpine in 02 or 03... The older units have a 2 antenna connection, the newer ones have a single antenna connection. You can put a newer model into an older model with an antenna adapter. I bought a used 04 model off a member for $200, and then bought an aux adapter and antenna adapter.. works great!

Norseman
03-31-2005, 09:24 AM
hmmm....mine is an apline but sofware version of 13-02 41 and it was produced 05/2002.....the more i read it seems like the 2002 units must have a sofware version of 50 in order to work......

im just wondering what the dealer will put in this afternoon. .......im tring to find a part number so i can make sure they put in the right one.

Thanks

Terry Kennedy
03-31-2005, 01:33 PM
im just wondering what the dealer will put in this afternoon. .......im tring to find a part number so i can make sure they put in the right one.They'll most likely put in a similar unit - unless a part has been superseded and the old part is no longer allowed to be used (there's usually a cut-off date in the supercession) they'll put one of those in if they have it in stock. If they have to order a part, BMW will probably fill it with the most recent part.

pnut4912
04-19-2005, 07:54 AM
my antenna is on the rear shelf, and i have tints so im not getting such great signal. For those of you with the antenna on the roof near the rear window, what did you use to secure the wires next to the rear windows and run them down into the trunk?

facedogg
05-02-2005, 01:24 PM
Hi all....I've read this thread over and over again, and still have a question....I have a MY04 330i and really wanted Sirius....unfortunately I do not have the Sirius prewire....I had my installer put in a Kenwood Sirius receiver with the soundbridge connection to enable my stock HU to control the satellite connection, but I am now wanting to be able to have presets and see the song/artist information. My local dealership will install the full Sirius option for me for $850, but if I'm going to spend that kind of money I'll just go ahead and get the Kenwood 715DVD....my question is, does my MY2004 stock HU (13-04 43) have an aux input already, or if not, can I use the aux input adapter that's been referenced here and simply get a small Sirius display (kenwood R71FM) to give me all the functionality I need? TIA

sna77
05-02-2005, 01:28 PM
Hi all....I've read this thread over and over again, and still have a question....I have a MY04 330i and really wanted Sirius....unfortunately I do not have the Sirius prewire....I had my installer put in a Kenwood Sirius receiver with the soundbridge connection to enable my stock HU to control the satellite connection, but I am now wanting to be able to have presets and see the song/artist information. My local dealership will install the full Sirius option for me for $850, but if I'm going to spend that kind of money I'll just go ahead and get the Kenwood 715DVD....my question is, does my MY2004 stock HU (13-04 43) have an aux input already, or if not, can I use the aux input adapter that's been referenced here and simply get a small Sirius display (kenwood R71FM) to give me all the functionality I need? TIA


??? All MY04 HU are Sirius compatabile. The Sirius receiver connects to the CD changer input... You just need a sirius antenna, MY04 or newer HU and the Sirius receiver. It should only take you a 1/2 hour to install the Sirius unit. As for the aux adapter... Its a $20 part at the dealership, and just plus into the back of 03 and newer HU's

facedogg
05-02-2005, 02:29 PM
??? All MY04 HU are Sirius compatabile. The Sirius receiver connects to the CD changer input... You just need a sirius antenna, MY04 or newer HU and the Sirius receiver. It should only take you a 1/2 hour to install the Sirius unit. As for the aux adapter... Its a $20 part at the dealership, and just plus into the back of 03 and newer HU's

Great news! When you refer to the Sirius receiver, is this only the BMW receiver, or can it be my existing Kenwood?

sna77
05-02-2005, 02:35 PM
Great news! When you refer to the Sirius receiver, is this only the BMW receiver, or can it be my existing Kenwood?


the BMW receiver. Needs to be used with BMW HU. Thorw the Kenwood up on ebay :)

Here's pic of my install:
http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=246031&highlight=sirius

And here's a pic of the unit (with part #).. My first one died, so I got a replacement. The Sirius unit gets installed in the trunk:

http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=250948&highlight=sirius

facedogg
05-03-2005, 09:45 AM
First, major thanks to sna77 and all the others on this board, as there is more info here than i get from my dealership and my installer, who are both actually paid to know this stuff. Given that I really like the ability to save favorite songs and have many presets, I think I'll stick with my current kenwood receiver, and use the aux input adapter to plug a standalone sirius unit into....this isn't the cleanest solution, nor does it allow me continued use of my steering wheel controls, but unless I'm missing something, this is just something I'll have to give up for these added features.

On a side note, anyone need a Soundgate KBMWSIR unit that I now don't need?

sna77
05-04-2005, 07:31 AM
First, major thanks to sna77 and all the others on this board, as there is more info here than i get from my dealership and my installer, who are both actually paid to know this stuff. Given that I really like the ability to save favorite songs and have many presets, I think I'll stick with my current kenwood receiver, and use the aux input adapter to plug a standalone sirius unit into....this isn't the cleanest solution, nor does it allow me continued use of my steering wheel controls, but unless I'm missing something, this is just something I'll have to give up for these added features.

On a side note, anyone need a Soundgate KBMWSIR unit that I now don't need?


I think you get 15 presets with OEM sirius unit... whats ability to save songs???

facedogg
05-04-2005, 10:35 AM
I think you get 15 presets with OEM sirius unit... whats ability to save songs???

Well this makes me lean back towards the OEM unit....my current HU only has 6 preset buttons, so are there multiple satellite "modes" that enables me to put more than one channel on a single button, similar to how I have FM1, FM2 and FMA which can each have their own presets?

With regards to saving songs, alot of the standalone sirius units allow you to push a button during a song, and it will save the artist/title of that song, such that if it comes up on any channel at any time in the future the unit will automatically switch to that song. This isn't a huge need, so if you can verify the 15 presets, I'll probably stay with teh OEM solution. Thanks again!

sna77
05-04-2005, 10:41 AM
Well this makes me lean back towards the OEM unit....my current HU only has 6 preset buttons, so are there multiple satellite "modes" that enables me to put more than one channel on a single button, similar to how I have FM1, FM2 and FMA which can each have their own presets?

With regards to saving songs, alot of the standalone sirius units allow you to push a button during a song, and it will save the artist/title of that song, such that if it comes up on any channel at any time in the future the unit will automatically switch to that song. This isn't a huge need, so if you can verify the 15 presets, I'll probably stay with teh OEM solution. Thanks again!


yup, def are 3 with the OEM. Sat 1, 2, 3 just like AM/FM etc. OEM looks a lot cleaner too... im not sure i like the aftermarket HU in the bigger opening with all that free space...

ObD
05-04-2005, 04:16 PM
18 presets for the OEM receiver. No song save.

facedogg
05-04-2005, 09:49 PM
Ok, I'm now sold on the OEM solution. Is Circle the best place to order this from, or should I be able to get the same price from my local dealership? I will obviously install it myself, to avoid the automatic 4+ hour install charges, so if the price is the same regardless, I'll just pick it up locally. Thanks all for all the help!

mbushnell
05-05-2005, 05:19 AM
Ok, I'm now sold on the OEM solution. Is Circle the best place to order this from, or should I be able to get the same price from my local dealership? I will obviously install it myself, to avoid the automatic 4+ hour install charges, so if the price is the same regardless, I'll just pick it up locally. Thanks all for all the help!
I just picked up my Sirius setup from Circle on Monday. $332.03 for the receiver, antenna, CD changer extension cable, and a sedan install kit. Plus $19.92 NJ Sales Tax on top of that which you would not have to pay being in NC, so my total was $351.95.

Circle is only a little under an hour's drive south of where I live, so I drove down to their facility in Shrewsbury, NJ.

The only problem was that they had given me the installation instructions for the Receiver, but reading those instructions when I got home, the first step is to install the antenna per the antenna installation instructions, which I did not get. A quick phone call to Circle solved that problem, & I got the antenna install instructions in yesterday's mail.

mmmm
05-06-2005, 05:48 PM
O.k., I'm sure it is here, but the conversation seems to go back and forth between pre MY 2002 and post MY 2002 installations, so please pardon my confusion.
If I call Circle BMW to retrofit my 2001 330i with buisness radio with Sirrius radio I will be asking for what exactly????

I think asking about retrofitting to a NAV unit is just way over.

Thanks! :)

Terry Kennedy
05-06-2005, 07:04 PM
O.k., I'm sure it is here, but the conversation seems to go back and forth between pre MY 2002 and post MY 2002 installations, so please pardon my confusion.
If I call Circle BMW to retrofit my 2001 330i with buisness radio with Sirrius radio I will be asking for what exactly????They may simply decline to sell you any parts. When I ordered the Sirius kit from them, I had to fib about my VIN.

As far as I know, you need the post-2002 parts plus a new radio head unit (for a non-NAV car - it gets uglier when NAV is involved).
I think asking about retrofitting to a NAV unit is just way over.Probably. Most dealers are under the impression it can't be done, despite there being retrofit parts for it.

eliminator
05-30-2005, 09:06 AM
1) I have heard of adapter cabling but not familiar with it since mine was plug and play. Alpine units are swappable. If it's not Alpine you need the aforementioned adapters. Pretty easy to check what you have now by pulling the radio.

2) I think they changed the wiring so although the CD changer is compatible, Sirius isn't. I believe there is an extra wire for 2001+ in the CD changer signal wiring. Power wiring is the same.

I think your best bet is aftermarket. Not a complete integration but still works. Plus a lot cheaper.


I just finished the OEM Sirius install in a 2000 328ci (04/00 build).

1. The original MY 2000 tape deck was made by Alpine, and all the plugs on the head unit (except the antenna) were exactly the same as the 2002+ Sirius compatible business CD. Buy the antenna adaptor and it's plug and play.

2. Not sure if there's a difference in changer wiring, but mine works. All Sirius functions work, including song/artist text. Again, just plug and play.

eliminator
05-30-2005, 09:24 AM
I got mine all set up tonight and now it won't take the hit that's sent out to activate, just keeps toggling between "CALL^888" and "539-SIRIUS" no matter how many hits the SIRIUS reps send out (I've called 4 times). I don't even get the audio of the preview channel 184 like I did before activating my other (non-BMW) SIRIUS receivers.

I'm wondering if it's an issue with it being activated/deactivated before..? :dunno:
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My previously used tuner did the same thing. Interestingly enough, when I first plugged it in ALL the channels worked for about half an hour. Then the audio stopped and it displayed "call 888.....". No channel 184 at all, just the "call" message. The first couple of times I called Sirius, the reciever would not take the hit, and the Sirius people seemed stumped. I was starting to think that something was broken, but decided to try activating one more time. The person I talked to the third time seemed to have more experience. I explained to him that it was an OEM BMW system that had been previously activated. He had me turn on the car and sent the hit once. Nothing happened. Then he told me to turn the car off and back on, and he sent another hit. Nothing. turned car off and back on. One more hit and it started working!

So, Yes, it appears that there's a bit of a trick getting a pre-owned tuner to activate.

sna77
05-31-2005, 04:21 AM
Nice job! My bmw sirius unit died after a month... No problems so far with the new unit... Been working since they replaced it...

ObD
05-31-2005, 07:15 PM
1. The original MY 2000 tape deck was made by Alpine, and all the plugs on the head unit (except the antenna) were exactly the same as the 2002+ Sirius compatible business CD. Buy the antenna adaptor and it's plug and play.

Good info. :thumbup:

jerryrathke
06-11-2005, 08:48 AM
I am soooo glad I found this thread. The parts guy at my local bmw dealer told me yesterday there is absolutely NO way to install sirius on my 2002 330i.

I had the factory head unit replaced under warrenty a month or two back and now the SV is 24-04 43. I am set to order what I need from circle bmw, but not sure which installation kit I need, the plain install kit or the install kit with cpt8000.

I would like my antenna on the rear shelf behind the back seat, so should I forgo circle's antenna? I don't want a antenna wire running through my door, but I guess one stuck on my trunk lid wouldn't be too bad as long as shutting the trunk lid didn't damage the cable.

I am so ready for satellite radio.

Thanks for the help.

Jerry

jerryrathke
06-11-2005, 04:59 PM
the BMW receiver. Needs to be used with BMW HU. Thorw the Kenwood up on ebay :)

Here's pic of my install:
http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=246031&highlight=sirius

And here's a pic of the unit (with part #).. My first one died, so I got a replacement. The Sirius unit gets installed in the trunk:

http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=250948&highlight=sirius

I noticed the pic in the second link has a single antenna "in" while the pics ObD posted had two (?) next to each other. I ordered the same part number as you via the internet from Circle BMW and a Terk SIR-mini from ebay. This antenna should plug right in and have me up-and-running, right?

Thanks for the help,

Jerry

SRFast
06-14-2005, 08:10 PM
I noticed the pic in the second link has a single antenna "in" while the pics ObD posted had two (?) next to each other. I ordered the same part number as you via the internet from Circle BMW and a Terk SIR-mini from ebay. This antenna should plug right in and have me up-and-running, right?

Thanks for the help,

Jerry

The lastest BMW Sirius receivers use single wire antennas. The first generation receivers have separate wires for Sat and repeater signals, but they have now been conbined into a signal wire. You should be OK.

Regards...JL

crawform
06-15-2005, 06:03 AM
They may simply decline to sell you any parts. When I ordered the Sirius kit from them, I had to fib about my VIN.

As far as I know, you need the post-2002 parts plus a new radio head unit (for a non-NAV car - it gets uglier when NAV is involved).
Probably. Most dealers are under the impression it can't be done, despite there being retrofit parts for it.

Same here...when I tried to order from Circle BMW for my 2002 330 (with the '04 head unit) they refused to sell me the parts. So...I called Pacific BMW and got the unit w/in a week.

sna77
06-15-2005, 06:27 AM
Same here...when I tried to order from Circle BMW for my 2002 330 (with the '04 head unit) they refused to sell me the parts. So...I called Pacific BMW and got the unit w/in a week.


I ordered from PacBMW too... No issues..

Also, I recently joined BMWCCA for $40 a year... 20% off all parts from my local dealership... Comes out to about the same prices as PacBMW, and I dont have to wait for shipping... :)

jerryrathke
06-15-2005, 04:57 PM
I tried to order the tuner via the internet, but Circle BMW emailed me to verify my year. I asked them to cancel the order and went down to my local BMW dealer. He gave me 10% off, which will come close to Circle's price + shipping. Had to special order it, but I'm heading out of town for two weeks. Works for me.

Shadyside
06-25-2005, 04:58 PM
Hi All,

This is a very informative thread, and a great site. Glad to post my first message. I just had installed an XM Roady2, (using a Bracketron mount which looks fine) and hard wired for power. My plan was to install the aux input cable in the glovebox and have the wire lead out and plug into the back of the SAT receiver. The problem is that the aux cable would NOT plug and play and didn't register on the HU when the Mode button was pushed. Thus, no SAT input. Upon reading the aux input instructions more carefully, it stated that the cable was only for vehicles produced after 09/02. My 2002 was produced in 06/02. The aux input kit is part number 82 11 0 149 389 and my HU is SV 16-02-41. Does BMW make an aux input kit that is plug and play for MY 06/02 and prior? Does anybody know what the aux input number is for the correct part? I know this thread is for Sirius, but you guys are so knowledgable I thought this forum would be the right place to ask. Thanks in advance.

Technic
06-25-2005, 08:07 PM
Hi All,

This is a very informative thread, and a great site. Glad to post my first message. I just had installed an XM Roady2, (using a Bracketron mount which looks fine) and hard wired for power. My plan was to install the aux input cable in the glovebox and have the wire lead out and plug into the back of the SAT receiver. The problem is that the aux cable would NOT plug and play and didn't register on the HU when the Mode button was pushed. Thus, no SAT input. Upon reading the aux input instructions more carefully, it stated that the cable was only for vehicles produced after 09/02. My 2002 was produced in 06/02. The aux input kit is part number 82 11 0 149 389 and my HU is SV 16-02-41. Does BMW make an aux input kit that is plug and play for MY 06/02 and prior? Does anybody know what the aux input number is for the correct part? I know this thread is for Sirius, but you guys are so knowledgable I thought this forum would be the right place to ask. Thanks in advance.

What you need is a newer version of your radio, a 2003 and up one... the AUX input capability is a radio feature.

Shadyside
06-26-2005, 02:05 PM
What you need is a newer version of your radio, a 2003 and up one... the AUX input capability is a radio feature.


Really? The aux input cable that I bought plugs right into the back of the HU, has it's own connector point right next to the CD changer connector. Just doesn't show up on the HU once it's connected. Why would they build a connector on the back if it wasn't usable?

ObD
06-26-2005, 03:31 PM
Really? The aux input cable that I bought plugs right into the back of the HU, has it's own connector point right next to the CD changer connector. Just doesn't show up on the HU once it's connected. Why would they build a connector on the back if it wasn't usable?

While the connector is there, there is no software to access it in the HU. As to why ... SOP for BWM ... they aren't Lexus when it comes to gizmos. Some of us like it that way. :)