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nate
12-27-2001, 07:53 PM
ah, forget about them http://forums.off-topic.net/images/smilies/tongue.gif

LilEccentricJ
12-27-2001, 07:55 PM
EASY there! lol :p

TD
12-27-2001, 07:55 PM
Amen. It's just not complete without the third pedal.

But what's even better about that pic is the lack of a black box under the gas pedal. No DBW throttle!!

The E46 323/328... the LAST of the real BMWs.

dannyxi
12-27-2001, 07:56 PM
Prefer the SMG....think it's the ultimate way for driving a BMW>

nate
12-27-2001, 07:57 PM
Originally posted by dannyxi
Prefer the SMG....think it's the ultimate way for driving a BMW>

I'll have to try it out. I am sceptical of it now. For track drivers, it is the right option though. Fast shifts!

TD
12-27-2001, 07:58 PM
Originally posted by nate328Ci


I'll have to try it out. I am sceptical of it now. For track drivers, it is the right option though. Fast shifts!

I don't think I'm going to care that it shifts faster. I like the involvement the clutch provides.

nate
12-27-2001, 08:00 PM
Originally posted by TD
Amen. It's just not complete without the third pedal.

But what's even better about that pic is the lack of a black box under the gas pedal. No DBW throttle!!

The E46 323/328... the LAST of the real BMWs.

TD, as you know, the E39 M5 has DBW throttle. Dinan recalibrates the EML with the software download, and I have driven it. They got it right, the throttle response is great, but it still feels non-mechanical. Oh, well, I can get used to it as long as it is fast and realistic.

TD
12-27-2001, 08:02 PM
Originally posted by nate328Ci


TD, as you know, the E39 M5 has DBW throttle. Dinan recalibrates the EML with the software download, and I have driven it. They got it right, the throttle response is great, but it still feels non-mechanical. Oh, well, I can get used to it as long as it is fast and realistic.

My complaint with the DBW is not just the response (lag) but also the lack of linearity. Does the Dinan S/W address that?

nate
12-27-2001, 08:08 PM
Originally posted by TD


My complaint with the DBW is not just the response (lag) but also the lack of linearity. Does the Dinan S/W address that?

I thought it was perfect, I had NO compaints about it. I would suspect that Dinan would try to achieve the same liniarity in the E46. They have a great corporate philosophy to make thier products as good as possible.

___lk___
12-27-2001, 08:53 PM
no, because if you actually think the e46 manual is what MANUALS are supposed to be, then I'll get a good laugh everytime I see your sig.

take a spin in a miata, s2000, viper, or even an E36 328i if you want so see all that you're missing...there's a lot more to it than just having 3 pedals....(even when one of them squeaks like an old attic door).

nate
12-27-2001, 09:01 PM
Originally posted by ___lk___
no, because if you actually think the e46 manual is what MANUALS are supposed to be, then I'll get a good laugh everytime I see your sig.

take a spin in a miata, s2000, viper, or even an E36 328i if you want so see all that you're missing...there's a lot more to it than just having 3 pedals....(even when one of them squeaks like an old attic door).

Have fun laughing, I love to read your asshole posts and laugh. And of course, I have driven many other manual cars, including some of what you mentioned. I always liked the MZ3 setup. The E46 manual is good, the throws are a little too long unfortunately. I like my clutch as it is. Anyway, it is still much better than a steptronic.

None of my pedals squeak...

LilEccentricJ
12-27-2001, 09:09 PM
Originally posted by nate328Ci

...I like my clutch as it is. Anyway, it is still much better than a steptronic.

None of my pedals squeak...

Now wait a minute... the pedals on my flowery step don't squeak either... lol

nate
12-27-2001, 09:48 PM
Originally posted by ___lk___


long throws are the least of it's problems. the take-up in the e46 is friggin binary. it's the first complaint in any review u read. my 99 328i was a stick, as was my 96 328i.... there was zero comparison.. the 96 had terrific feel, compared to the over-boosted numb squeaking mess that they put in the e46.

that's why i dumped it for a step.. the e46 stick offers very little of what's good about a manual in general, and is certainly nothing noteworthy about the design. if anything, take a picture of your steering rack, because at least you got the last of the well-mannered 3-series on the road. everyone else has some mystery combination of fixes, patches, hacks and retrofits that still don't come close to approximating the 99/00 feel...to say nothing of the e36.

having a stick in an e46 is a bit like having one in a tour bus. sure you COULD do it, but why f*cking bother?

When I first had this car, I had problems with the cluch. I have gotten used to it and it has stiffened up. I definatally disagree about it not being worth getting. It is much more involving and fun than the auto. The E46 was not what lightened up the 3 series, that process began witht the E36. The steering in the 99/00 needs improvement too. It is a tad heavy, which masks the road feedback somewhat.

silroc
12-27-2001, 09:55 PM
they add like 10-15 hp !! :)

<img src="http://silroc.net/bim%20pics/dcp_0485.jpg">

nate
12-27-2001, 10:07 PM
Originally posted by silroc
they add like 10-15 hp !! :)

<img src="http://silroc.net/bim%20pics/dcp_0485.jpg">

They sure look fast! :D

bimmerguy
12-27-2001, 10:30 PM
Originally posted by ___lk___


long throws are the least of it's problems. the take-up in the e46 is friggin binary. it's the first complaint in any review u read. my 99 328i was a stick, as was my 96 328i.... there was zero comparison.. the 96 had terrific feel, compared to the over-boosted numb squeaking mess that they put in the e46.

that's why i dumped it for a step.. the e46 stick offers very little of what's good about a manual in general, and is certainly nothing noteworthy about the design. if anything, take a picture of your steering rack, because at least you got the last of the well-mannered 3-series on the road. everyone else has some mystery combination of fixes, patches, hacks and retrofits that still don't come close to approximating the 99/00 feel...to say nothing of the e36.

having a stick in an e46 is a bit like having one in a tour bus. sure you COULD do it, but why f*cking bother?


You hit it on the head my man, I just drove an 01 325 with the over boosted steering..... Its insane you can't compare it to my 00. It's a service loaner and I just could not believe it. Now I understand why everyone was freakin out and getting the retrofit! Sad times for Bmw, seem to have lost their way. Guess they forgot they made their name with legendary handling and road feel.

Jason 325i Step
12-27-2001, 11:51 PM
Actually BMW's should have Black interior- I hope this doesn't offend anyone without black :cool:

Alex Baumann
12-28-2001, 04:07 AM
Lucky you nate,

you got 3 pedals for the same price instead of 2 as we did. :) But hell no it doesn't offend me. At least my other car has a manual tranny.

Alex

nate
12-28-2001, 06:00 AM
Originally posted by Alex Baumann
Lucky you nate,

you got 3 pedals for the same price instead of 2 as we did. :) But hell no it doesn't offend me. At least my other car has a manual tranny.

Alex

Cheaper :p