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bmw325
08-19-2003, 12:53 PM
Which model would you want "re-issued"?
What updates (if any) would you want made?
How much would you pay?

My answers:
-e30 325i
updates:
-M52TU engine (metal waterpump impeller, 4 valver, VANOS). Could also be an M54 if they could build it w/o DBW.
-indash CD player
-$20k

A close second would be an e34 525 with similar updates. For that, I'd pay 25k.

Wouldn't it be great if BMW introduced a "classic" line of some favorite old models instead of the 1 series?

Mr. The Edge
08-19-2003, 12:54 PM
nope. none of the older models are safe enough to drive today.

The Roadstergal
08-19-2003, 01:00 PM
nope. none of the older models are safe enough to drive today.

:confused:

Many of the older models do not have safety features that are mandated by law on cars produced today, but some of those I can do without...

TD
08-19-2003, 01:01 PM
E34 535i updated with:

-in-dash CD/Sat radio
-additional airbags to bring total to 6 for the front seats

Leave everything else EXACTLY as it was including the manual climate control and especially the engine/tranny.

I'd pay $35-40K.

Alex Baumann
08-19-2003, 01:13 PM
E9

Tanning machine
08-19-2003, 01:16 PM
nope. none of the older models are safe enough to drive today.

suddenly I feel very unsafe.
:yikes:


Anyway, what's a late-run E30 missing that's required today? Airbags? (it has the seatbelts, lighting, ABS, not to mention the not-required LSD) An ignition interlock on the clutch? Yeah, great. Need that.

ed325i
08-19-2003, 01:34 PM
E30 M3 or M6.
Updates: modern airbag system

gray330
08-19-2003, 02:23 PM
How about the Isetta? A fully restored 1957 BMW Isetta 300 recently sold for $17,050!!!

·clyde·
08-19-2003, 02:26 PM
E28 M5
Updates: Dinan chip stock
No SLS rear suspension (maybe)
$30k

edit- add navigation too :eeps:

The Roadstergal
08-19-2003, 02:44 PM
Z1. No structural changes, although I would ask a local shop to fabricate a rollbar. Siena with black, or white with tannin.

Plaz
08-19-2003, 02:48 PM
Isetta with an S54. :rofl:

Mr. The Edge
08-19-2003, 02:49 PM
Isetta with an S54. :rofl:

with this paint job

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=17548

gray330
08-19-2003, 03:07 PM
with this paint job

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=17548

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Nick325xiT 5spd
08-19-2003, 03:13 PM
I'd want an E30 with a Euro S50... :eeps:

I'd have to think about the price, though.

Plaz
08-19-2003, 03:16 PM
with this paint job

:rofl: :thumbup:

Guest84
08-19-2003, 03:35 PM
The 507 (and I'd find a way to fit a coupe convert into my life) I'd pay $40k.

2nd choice: FW190A8--Gimme 4 X 20 mm cannons baby!(Well, it had a BMW engine in it! :D)

Tanning machine
08-19-2003, 03:52 PM
The 507 (and I'd find a way to fit a coupe convert into my life) I'd pay $40k.



I'm with you on that one. That's a beaut. although on that I can see teh safety concerns.

bmw325
08-19-2003, 03:54 PM
Some additions for my e34:
-additoinal airbags
-R&P steering

JST
08-19-2003, 03:56 PM
E30 M3 with the S50 B 32. I'd pay 35ish; it would have to be a third car.

M6, with the S54 and no TRX tires. I'd pay the same as the current M3.

nate
08-19-2003, 04:12 PM
None.

Old cars are meant to be in the past. The new ones are faster, safer, and handle better. Re-issuing would also destroy the nostalgia factor.

Nick325xiT 5spd
08-19-2003, 04:14 PM
Nonsense! You KNOW you want a bone-stock E21 320i! :D

nate
08-19-2003, 04:17 PM
Nonsense! You KNOW you want a bone-stock E21 320i! :D
It is very fast, but the image is too low rent for a poseur like myself.

WAM
08-19-2003, 04:44 PM
I think this car with modern structural and suspension improvements with an M54B30 engine ZHP engine. Priced at $32,000.

For the color, probably this color or Imola or Phoenix yellow, can't decide.

HW
08-19-2003, 04:49 PM
Nonsense! You KNOW you want a bone-stock E21 320i! :D

e30 w/ a 2.0L S14! :eek:

The Roadstergal
08-19-2003, 04:49 PM
The new ones are faster, safer, and handle better.

The old cars are cheaper to mod to be faster and crisper than the new ones. ;)

Of course, re-issuing is in some ways the exact opposite of modding up an old car.

HW
08-19-2003, 04:50 PM
The old cars are cheaper to mod to be faster and crisper than the new ones. ;)

Of course, re-issuing is in some ways the exact opposite of modding up an old car.

and way lighter!

nate
08-19-2003, 05:35 PM
and way lighter!
Not in all cases.

The E60 is ligher than the E39 and E34. And, an E60 530i is only 25lbs more than an E28 535i....

The US E24 was a pig too, an M6 was nearly 3600lbs!

Also, on a size level, the E28 and E46 are not that dissimilar, and also weigh near the same. Despite the E46 being incredibly faster (I had an E28)

The Roadstergal
08-19-2003, 05:44 PM
There was a significant rise in weight from the E30 to the E36, and the E36 to the E46, though.

<img src=http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=17699>

nate
08-19-2003, 05:48 PM
There was a significant rise in weight from the E30 to the E36, and the E36 to the E46, though.

<img src=http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=17699>

I know. The E36/46 are more like midsize cars than small cars. That is why there will be a 1 series.

And in terms of body height, how stable is the E30 at 150mph?

I know our E28 lifted like crazy when I took it up to its top speed of 128mph. My 328Ci is 50x more stable at 150 than the E28 was at 90.

Never driven an E30 at those speeds...

HW
08-19-2003, 06:01 PM
I know our E28 lifted like crazy when I took it up to its top speed of 128mph. My 328Ci is 50x more stable at 150 than the E28 was at 90.


just needs more under body ground works to make it stable. :dunno:

The Roadstergal
08-19-2003, 06:11 PM
And in terms of body height, how stable is the E30 at 150mph?

The shocks are shot. It's floaty if I try to change direction. But in a straight line, it's pretty darn stable. I haven't had it over 100 - this is WA. :( Mebbe someone else with an E30 could say.

It sits ridiculously high stock. It could drop 3", no joke. It still feels like a big ol' car to me.

I'd love to see a 1 over here. I hear it won't come, though. :(

TD
08-19-2003, 06:15 PM
I did 100+ in my former E30 regularly. It was very stable and uneventful. Hell, because of it's steering, my old E46 felt more skittish at 100+ than the E30 did.

bmw325
08-19-2003, 06:34 PM
There was a significant rise in weight from the E30 to the E36, and the E36 to the E46, though.

<img src=http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=17699>

Nice picture. It really makes the e46 look like a pig!

3Wagon
08-19-2003, 06:50 PM
I'd say e30 M3 w/ airbags and maybe a little more power... I'd pay 30k for it.

Fuzzypuppy
08-19-2003, 06:52 PM
None. I happen to like progress.

By the way, the weight addition from E36 to E46 isn't nearly as great as common wisdom would have you believe.

___lk___
08-19-2003, 06:57 PM
i would want a 2002tii w/ modern conveniences, safety, and technological upgrades that dont interfere w/ driver involvement... :rolleyes:

...on second thought, somebody already did re-issue that car:

http://www.edmunds.com/media/2002/paris/subaru/subaru.imprezza.sti.f34.500.jpg

WILLIA///M
08-19-2003, 06:59 PM
M1 (e26)

This would be my choice too if I had to pick. I'd pay 50-60k if it had a modern engine and suspension. It wouldn't cost that I'm sure but that'd be all I could afford. :D

Nick325xiT 5spd
08-19-2003, 07:09 PM
e30 w/ a 2.0L S14! :eek:
Any reason you want the Italian E30 M3?

Kaz
08-19-2003, 07:22 PM
Ooh, I LOVE JST's S54M6 idea!

flashinthepan
08-19-2003, 07:26 PM
Excellent post !

Growing up I thought my Dads Nissan 240Z was the rage-

Now I see the 350Z - it just aint even close, even though technically it would trounce the oldie.

Something special about the classic cars.

The Roadstergal
08-19-2003, 08:14 PM
None. I happen to like progress.

By the way, the weight addition from E36 to E46 isn't nearly as great as common wisdom would have you believe.

About 200lbs from the E30 to the E36, about another 100 to the E46. I've never driven an E46, so I can't comment on that, but I did drive an E36 325is while I was shopping 325s, and it felt noticeably heavier - slower, less tossable - than the E30.

nate
08-19-2003, 08:48 PM
1990 325is - 2845lbs

1999 328is - 3142lbs

2000 328Ci - 3197lbs

EdCT
08-19-2003, 10:45 PM
I think this car with modern structural and suspension improvements with an M54B30 engine ZHP engine. Priced at $32,000.

For the color, probably this color or Imola or Phoenix yellow, can't decide.

Ahhh, yers, that's the one I was thinking of as well.

Prettiest bmw ever imo.

Love the vent windows.

Ed

HW
08-19-2003, 11:46 PM
Any reason you want the Italian E30 M3?

great sleeper car. :eeps: and it wouldn't jack up the insurance premiums.

TGD
08-20-2003, 05:11 AM
I will second the Isetta.

With the addition of the 1 Series BMW will cover the range of C segment and above. It doesn't have a car at the lower A and B segments. Well the MINI filles the B segment, albeit at a too high price. The Isetta fits perfectly in the A segment.

So what about a new Isetta that competes with the small city cars? It should have proper doors of cource... I believe BMW can think of it as competition for Mercedes Smart line. They can probably modify their boxer bike engine for it.

Hey, and if it materialises I want my comission.

Jetfire
08-20-2003, 07:31 AM
Hmm, is it any guess what I might want? :D

E30 M3s actuall did have airbags, like all E30s, starting in the 1990 model year. The problem is that they were (obviously) fitted with Generation 1 airbags, which have some questionable safety issues.

I would want an E30 M3 Evo Sport. It was only made available in Europe and I believe only 500 or so were ever built. Adjustable rear wing, adjustable(?) front spoiler, slightly wider/bigger fenders, 2.5L S14 pumping out 238HP.

Updates: I'd want to ditch the AFM system for something more modern like a MAF unit, or do away with that and go with something more exotic like alpha-N. Get rid of the goddamn airbags, throw in a CD player/XM tuner. That's it. Give me one NOW. I'd pay $30,000 for one in a hearbeat, $35k with some thought.

edit: You know, my sig pic is somewhat outdated considering the current shape of my car. I ought to do something about that. I also need to post some newer pics of my engine, now that almost everything is off of it.

Jetfire
08-20-2003, 07:41 AM
Oh, and to those of you who INSIST on defiling the E30 M3 by putting in an engine from another car...don't say you wan't an E30 M3. You want an E30 330is. Go make your Frankenbimmer out of a tired 318 or 325 and leave the M3s alone. :mad:

JST
08-20-2003, 09:01 AM
Oh, and to those of you who INSIST on defiling the E30 M3 by putting in an engine from another car...don't say you wan't an E30 M3. You want an E30 330is. Go make your Frankenbimmer out of a tired 318 or 325 and leave the M3s alone. :mad:

Brave words for someone whose engine began development by hacksawing off two cylinder positions from a real BMW M cylinder head.

The S50 B 32 European 6 cylinder is just as "M" as anything else, and it has a real (i.e., over 300) hp figure. It would be perfect in the E30 M3.

The stock engine wouldn't be wasted, though. It would work well in a shifter kart. :eeps:

Jetfire
08-20-2003, 09:24 AM
Brave words for someone whose engine began development by hacksawing off two cylinder positions from a real BMW M cylinder head.

The S50 B 32 European 6 cylinder is just as "M" as anything else, and it has a real (i.e., over 300) hp figure. It would be perfect in the E30 M3.

The stock engine wouldn't be wasted, though. It would work well in a shifter kart. :eeps:

It would defile the essence of the E30 M3. The E30 M3 did not dominate theGroup A racing series for years with a six-cylinder engine under the hood. The engine has its roots not only from the "seriously, no-joke-this-one-really-is original M car" M1 and the 2002's M10, but also from BMW's turbocharged four-cylinder F1 engines of the era. BMW had a perfectly good six available for its M3 but chose instead to go with a four-banger for weight and weight distribution purposes. Not only did it work out in the end -- with race cars pushing well over 300 hp N/A by the end of the car's production -- the E30 M3 is still the winningest chassis in the history of European touring car racing.

The suspension on those race cars was special, no doubt, but Group A rules mandated that all shocks/springs be mounted in the SAME location as those on the homologated street car. And the street car really is not much different from other E30s when it comes to suspension mount locations. Really, most of the E30 M3 falls under the "remarkable but not magical" category, except for the engine. The engine is what catapulted the E30 M3 into the racing spotlight and what kept it there until the retirement of the model -- NOT the emergence of more powerful cars. (This is not to say that the new cars wouldn't have eventually beaten the E30 M3; I'm not *that* crazy/stupid.)

The E36 M3 can keep its wonderful S50 engine. It can also keep all 3200 lbs of body weight and a chassis that never really engaged the driver like the E30s did. The same can be said for the E46, which is also a great car in its own right but still falls short of the mark in overall driving pleasure. Unless you're only looking at modern cars, in which case the M3 is probably the best overall value out there.

So, back to what I was saying. The S50 is fine and would fit in the engine bays of many E30s. Every time I hear or see an E30 M3 with a straight six under the hood, though, I want to vomit and berate the owner. The trouble is that I have to do so quickly, because an S50-equipped E30 M3 is quite quick.