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mbr129
08-25-2003, 08:03 AM
Let's see... of the last all-new BMW's to have been released my opinion personally is...

7-Series = :thumbdwn:

Z4 = :thumbdwn:

5-Series = :thumbdwn:

6-Series = :thumbdwn:

Spy pics of new 3-Series = so far, only so-so

Nobody is saying they are all puke-ugly, but none of them generate an immediate good impression. I can't imagine anybody giving them anything better than a "looks good" review. But even those people are far outnumbered by those who think the designs are just ugly.

So in general, given the previous models and the look of the competion, as well as a stand alone analysis, how do you think the new models and overall direction of BMW designs rank?

The Roadstergal
08-25-2003, 08:10 AM
:repost: :repost: :repost: :repost: :repost: :repost: :repost:


I think the Z4, the 5 and the 6 look awesome. :thumbup:

mbr129
08-25-2003, 08:15 AM
:repost: :repost: :repost: :repost: :repost: :repost: :repost:


I think the Z4, the 5 and the 6 look awesome. :thumbup:

Uhm, no :p

It is not a repost, since it incorporates the new 6er and spy pics of the new 3er, which I know some people like a lot. I want to see if overall sentiment has improved despite my own views.

The Roadstergal
08-25-2003, 08:20 AM
Each model listed has has at least one "Do you like it or think it's ugly?" thread.


BTW, stats on the following comment? I know far more people who like the Z4 than don't. I know people who didn't like the Z3 at all but like the Z4.

<i>I can't imagine anybody giving them anything better than a "looks good" review. But even those people are far outnumbered by those who think the designs are just ugly.</i>

mbr129
08-25-2003, 08:25 AM
Each model listed has has at least one "Do you like it or think it's ugly?" thread.


BTW, stats on the following comment? I know far more people who like the Z4 than don't. I know people who didn't like the Z3 at all but like the Z4.

<i>I can't imagine anybody giving them anything better than a "looks good" review. But even those people are far outnumbered by those who think the designs are just ugly.</i>

Again... the poll is aimed at the OVERALL direction of the designs, not at a particular model. :tsk: My statement, in general, still makes sense. And for what its worth, it's MY opinion, and I find it to be well-supported given my experience with people I know.

Alex Baumann
08-25-2003, 08:35 AM
It must be a crime to say that this rear design is looking good :rolleyes:

http://zoouz.free.fr/other/e63/TMP_fichiers/E63_060.jpg

http://zoouz.free.fr/other/e63/TMP_fichiers/E63_027.jpg

http://zoouz.free.fr/other/e63/TMP_fichiers/E63_056.jpg

Artslinger
08-25-2003, 08:39 AM
7-Series = :thumbup:

Z4 = :thumbup:

5-Series = :thumbdwn:

6-Series = :thumbdwn:

The Roadstergal
08-25-2003, 08:40 AM
And for what its worth, it's MY opinion, and I find it to be well-supported given my experience with people I know.

It's erroneous, given the experience with people I know. ;) If it's an opinion, state it as an opinion, not as a fact like you did.

<i>Those people are far outnumbered, in my own personal experience, by those who think the designs are just ugly.</I> (He says.)

Alex - it looks good. The 6 shows echoes of the sleek lines of the Aston-Martin Vanquish, while still remaining very much BMW.

<img src=http://carad0.ipixmedia.com/abc/carad/9708230x687720/687720-05072003162729-1.JPG>

mbr129
08-25-2003, 08:44 AM
It's erroneous, given the experience with people I know. ;) If it's an opinion, state it as an opinion, not as a fact like you did.

<i>Those people are far outnumbered, in my own personal experience, by those who think the designs are just ugly.</I> (He says.)

Alex - it looks good. The 6 shows echoes of the sleek lines of the Aston-Martin Vanquish, while still remaining very much BMW.

<img src=http://carad0.ipixmedia.com/abc/carad/9708230x687720/687720-05072003162729-1.JPG>

Excuse my poor written English... it is as you may know, my second language. But it was meant to be an opinion.

Now, as far as the the Aston-Martin... c'mon now, is this April fools? :confused:

Sure there are some similarities as far as the general profile, but the Vanquish is just amazing, while the 6er looks like the brother that grew up in a nuclear waste dump. This is, of course, just MY OPINION. ;) :D

The Roadstergal
08-25-2003, 08:46 AM
Of course; I said echoes of, not an exact copy. And I like the differences that make it a BMW. You don't. C'est la vie. :dunno:


Edit - And I just don't get it. There have been plenty of BMWs, throughout the years, that I haven't liked. And I never felt an urge to start a thread - "Wow, does anyone else think that the E39 is really in need of a redesign?" I looked at what I liked, and let what I didn't like go by, and let those who like it go ahead and enjoy it - their enjoyment didn't hurt my enjoyment of models I did like, and I assumed that ripping on what they liked would have some effect on their enjoyment of it.

BMW design is not static, and I think that's great. If you don't like something, you'll have a new style to choose from in not-too-long. If you like an older style, BMWs last forever. I think that's a terrific thing. :dunno:

Artslinger
08-25-2003, 08:50 AM
The 6-Series looks as much like a Vanquish, as a Pontiac looks like a BMW.

Alex Baumann
08-25-2003, 08:50 AM
Sorry, but it's echoing nothing. The 6er rear is flat and the trunk lid is sitting there like a breakfast table :rolleyes:

I know different people, different tastes, but this one is tasteless, IMO.

And please don't drag Aston Martin into this dirty BMW business. That's a gorgeous car.

The Roadstergal
08-25-2003, 08:52 AM
That's a gorgeous car.

Yes, the 6 is. :thumbup:



Check back up to my edit.

Alex Baumann
08-25-2003, 08:54 AM
Yes, the 6 is. :thumbup:

Errr, I was talking about Aston Martin.

The Roadstergal
08-25-2003, 08:54 AM
The 6er rear is flat and the trunk lid is sitting there like a breakfast table :rolleyes:

E30s have flat rears. :neener: It was a Bangleism that gave the E46 its curvy trunk.

The Roadstergal
08-25-2003, 08:57 AM
Errr, I was talking about Aston Martin.

Yes, I was playin'.

I don't like people insulting cars that their fellow BMW owners care about passionately. I don't think it's polite, respectful or in the tradition of a BMW community. Saying you don't like a style is one thing; starting an entire thread to rip on a subset of BMWs on a BMW board -and doing it when it's been done before - is another.

Alex Baumann
08-25-2003, 09:08 AM
Yes, I was playin'.

I don't like people insulting cars that their fellow BMW owners care about passionately. I don't think it's polite, respectful or in the tradition of a BMW community. Saying you don't like a style is one thing; starting an entire thread to rip on a subset of BMWs on a BMW board -and doing it when it's been done before - is another.

Huh ? Nobody is insulting anyone's car here. And the poll choices are not offensive either, IMO. The question was ' What is your opinion about the new BMW models?' I admire them, I like them, they are OK, I hate them, help where's the exit ?

It is OK to say it loud when I like them, but not when I don't like them ? :confused:

The Roadstergal
08-25-2003, 09:13 AM
It is OK to say it loud when I like them, but not when I don't like them ? :confused:

I said in my previous post, that's not a problem, to me. But starting a post that says, "I think they suck - what do you think?" - especially when the issue has been hashed rather well (search isn't working for me, so I can't bring up the threads right now) is tacky.

But that's my own opinion, solely, and I'm just expressing it. If you were to ask - "Should negative commentary on designes be stifled?" - I would say no, no way. Y'all are free to say whatever you like - and certainly do so.

Kaz
08-25-2003, 09:19 AM
E65= :thumbdwn:
E85= :thumbdwn: : puke:
(BTW, Z3= :thumbdwn: )
E60= :thumbdwn:
E63= :thumbdwn: :tsk: mostly because they had to invoke the name of a classic onto this thing
E83= :thumbdwn:
E90= :dunno:

And what's wrong with saying I don't like em? Does 'BMWism' mean supression of any speech unflattering to the -ism? Geeze...
Looks like RG is in rare form. Got up on the wrong side of bed this morning?

BTW, this stupid software isn't letting me insert as many :thumbdwn: as I want.

Patrick
08-25-2003, 09:20 AM
7-Series = :thumbup: I have driven it (735i and 745i) and I love it. If I ever get 7 correct numbers, I will order a 760Li the next day. I will own a V12 someday.

Z4 Series = :thumbup: I have driven it and I love it. The 3.0 is a blast to drive.

5-Series = :thumbup: I have driven it and I love it. I cannot wait to get some time behind the wheel of the 545i. Better yet, the V10 M5.

6-Series = I have not seen it much less driven it, therefore I can't say :thumbup: or :thumbdwn:

New 3-Series = same as 6-Series.

Let's see... of the last all-new BMW's to have been released my opinion personally is...

7-Series = :thumbdwn:

Z4 = :thumbdwn:

5-Series = :thumbdwn:

6-Series = :thumbdwn:

Spy pics of new 3-Series = so far, only so-so

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Alex Baumann
08-25-2003, 09:21 AM
BTW, this stupid software isn't letting me insert as many :thumbdwn: as I want.

:lmao: :lmao:

The Roadstergal
08-25-2003, 09:23 AM
And what's wrong with saying I don't like em? Does 'BMWism' mean supression of any speech unflattering to the -ism? Geeze...


Did you read my post above yours? :rolleyes: I said you're perfectly free to rip on other BMWs if that floats your boat. And I'm perfectly free to say that's tacky. :thumbdwn:


Significant strawmannage going on here.

Druppy
08-25-2003, 10:28 AM
It must be a crime to say that this rear design is looking good :rolleyes:

http://zoouz.free.fr/other/e63/TMP_fichiers/E63_060.jpg

http://zoouz.free.fr/other/e63/TMP_fichiers/E63_027.jpg

http://zoouz.free.fr/other/e63/TMP_fichiers/E63_056.jpg

For a second there I was wondering why you were posting pictures of a Dodge Inprepid... :eeps:

:angel:

~nandy

apar330i
08-25-2003, 10:35 AM
Let's see... of the last all-new BMW's to have been released my opinion personally is...

7-Series = :thumbdwn:

Z4 = :thumbdwn:

5-Series = :thumbdwn:

6-Series = :thumbdwn:

Spy pics of new 3-Series = so far, only so-so

...snip

I agree with your opinions.

Lonni24
08-25-2003, 10:35 AM
5 :thumbup:

6 :thumbup:

7 :thumbup: :thumbdwn: so la la

Z 4 :dunno: :D

1 :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :

mbr129
08-25-2003, 10:43 AM
BMW design is not static, and I think that's great. If you don't like something, you'll have a new style to choose from in not-too-long. If you like an older style, BMWs last forever. I think that's a terrific thing. :dunno:

I understand your comment 100%. You don't seem to be understanding mine. I am not upset, nor do I want you to be. Again, my issue is not with one car, is with what seems to be a design trend.

For example. I have always been a M-B fan. I always loved how their cars looked. However, certain models have not looked as good as I would have expected them to. But they never gave me as negative a first reaction as these BMW models have. And the trend, in general has not been bad. I, for instance, loved the rectangular headlight desings they had in the 90's C-class, SL, and S-class, etc. And when they introduced the E-class in 1995 with the round headlights I was a bit shocked. I admit I didn't like it, but it wasn't bad. In time, subsequent designs improved on the round headlight look. And after a while, the E-class itself didn't look bad. So the trend, was not bad. Now they have beautiful cars throughout.

Similarly, in my opinion, if the E65 had been ugly, but the subsequent designs progressively improved on that design, there would not be an issue with me. That is the purpose of my poll... to see if only I see it as a bad trend or if others have the view of BMW that I had of MB in the mid 90's. That's all.

I, personally am of the opinion that BMW's trend is worse and more radical.

Sean
08-25-2003, 10:46 AM
E65/66 7-Series : puke:

E85 Z4 : puke:

E60 5-Series : puke:

E63/64 6-Series : puke:

E83 X3 : puke:

flashinthepan
08-25-2003, 10:49 AM
The new designs -

z4 :thumbup:

5 series - maybe w/time

6 series - hello Japan :thumbdwn: :thumbdwn: no way !!

7 series - maybe w/time



Lonni's ...320i e30 cabrio :thumbup: :thumbup:

love the cabrio 3's :D

Patrick
08-25-2003, 10:58 AM
To quote one of the best movies ever made:

"Claude, you think you hate it now, but just wait until you drive it."

With Alex being the exception that I know of, I wonder how many people that vote :thumbdwn: to anything new from Bangle & Co. at BMW have ever driven or seen any of these cars (in person).

I wasn't sure how I felt at first about the E65. Then I drove it and you couldn't get the grin off of my face for three days. Simply amazing.

Until I saw the E60 and sat in it, I would say that I was sort of sad about the end of E39, moreso than thinking that the new 5-Series was ugly. After driving the new 520i and 530d, all that went away and it was depressing to get back in my "old" (10 months old) 520i. The E60 is a fantastic BMW. I wonder how much an active steering retro-fit would cost! :D

Drive it. Then rant.

If you don't plan to buy an E60, E65, E83, E60 or E whatever, STFU and enjoy the BMW you own now!

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mbr129
08-25-2003, 11:05 AM
To quote one of the best movies ever made:

"Claude, you think you hate it now, but just wait until you drive it."

With Alex being the exception that I know of, I wonder how many people that vote :thumbdwn: to anything new from Bangle & Co. at BMW have ever driven or seen any of these cars (in person).
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I have seen all of these cars in person and very closely except for the 6er. The performance is irrelevant in a poll aimed at the visual design of the cars.

Patrick
08-25-2003, 11:06 AM
The performance is irrelevant in a poll aimed at the visual design of the cars.

Your poll = :thumbdwn:

:D

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mbr129
08-25-2003, 11:08 AM
Your poll = :thumbdwn:

:D

-

:rofl: :D

Fair enough... but it is MY poll. :p :angel:

Lonni24
08-25-2003, 11:08 AM
The new designs -

z4 :thumbup:

5 series - maybe w/time

6 series - hello Japan :thumbdwn: :thumbdwn: no way !!

7 series - maybe w/time



Lonni's ...320i e30 cabrio :thumbup: :thumbup:

love the cabrio 3's :D


:D Thanks i love cabrio s too. :thumbup:

Mr. The Edge
08-25-2003, 11:09 AM
so far 9 like them and 9 don't

Patrick
08-25-2003, 11:12 AM
Fair enough... but it is MY poll. :p :angel:

True! :thumbup:

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Alex Baumann
08-25-2003, 11:34 AM
so far 9 like them and 9 don't

because I forgot to vote :D :angel:

tgravo2
08-25-2003, 11:45 AM
The 7 is just amazing in my opinion.

The Z4 is cool too

new 5 and 6 are so-so

new X3 is ok

The Roadstergal
08-25-2003, 11:46 AM
because I forgot to vote :D :angel:

So did I! ;)

Mr. The Edge
08-25-2003, 11:47 AM
because I forgot to vote :D :angel:


14-14 now

:D

The Roadstergal
08-25-2003, 11:49 AM
If you don't plan to buy an E60, E65, E83, E60 or E whatever, STFU and enjoy the BMW you own now!


Exactly. I will never own a car as big as a 7, and therefore the E65 styling is not relevant to me (although how it drives - man, sweet). 3 series? Roadster? Likely. 5? Possibly. X5? Never.

mbr129
08-25-2003, 12:08 PM
Exactly. I will never own a car as big as a 7, and therefore the E65 styling is not relevant to me (although how it drives - man, sweet). 3 series? Roadster? Likely. 5? Possibly. X5? Never.

Oh c'mon now... don't be upset just because the Red Sox are about to sweep the Mariners in a matter of minutes. It's only one series... a really BIG series... with potentially huge consequences. :D

(Sorry I am just following the game and I was pretty happy about the score) :angel:

The Roadstergal
08-25-2003, 12:19 PM
The who and the who? :eeps:

mbr129
08-25-2003, 12:40 PM
The who and the who? :eeps:

Fine, be that way. :(

The Roadstergal
08-25-2003, 12:41 PM
Fine, be that way. :(

I'm just in denial. ;)

xspeedy
08-25-2003, 04:13 PM
I would have to say that one of the major failures of Bangle styling is with cut lines. VW has mastered the integration of cut lines into the styling of its vehicles. Just take a look at the hatch area of the Golf.

The 6 looks okay in black because it hides the hideous "cap" effect of the trunk. In Silver/Grey, the lines are very obvious and ugly.

RCK
08-25-2003, 04:40 PM
For a second there I was wondering why you were posting pictures of a Dodge Inprepid... :eeps:

:angel:

~nandy

:lmao:

All new models(except E90) = :bareass:

ObD
08-25-2003, 05:13 PM
Drive it. Then rant.

I'm quite sure they drive superb. However, Bangle is the one claiming this is art. :rolleyes: It's the equivalent of dropping a Ferrari engine into a Trablant. Might I add:

http://www.jammersbar.com/Jokes_and_Joke_Pictures/PG_Zone/beer%20goggles%20-%20men.jpg

Those beer goggles work (http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/09/09/1031115991016.html)

They discovered that men and women who have drunk a moderate amount of alcohol find the faces of the opposite sex 25 per cent more attractive than do their sober counterparts.

;) ;) ;)

CascadeTelcom
08-25-2003, 05:25 PM
It must be a crime to say that this rear design is looking good :rolleyes:

http://zoouz.free.fr/other/e63/TMP_fichiers/E63_060.jpg

http://zoouz.free.fr/other/e63/TMP_fichiers/E63_027.jpg

http://zoouz.free.fr/other/e63/TMP_fichiers/E63_056.jpg

Headlights are also a disaster in my opinion. Big Benz and Lexus are much better looking.

flashinthepan
08-25-2003, 06:06 PM
Obd

They discovered that men and women who have drunk a moderate amount of alcohol find the faces of the opposite sex 25 per cent more attractive than do their sober counterparts

Excellent post - and all these years I have wondered about this phenominon !!! then you wake up and forget who it is, that is next to you !!

I hate it when that happens

:beerchug:

Those beer girl picks had me :lmao:

Jspeed
08-25-2003, 06:14 PM
7-Series = initial reaction :yikes: and still :thumbdwn: now

Z4 = :dunno: (ok in darker colors)

5-Series = :thumbdwn: ( :mad: at the pointy lights)

6-Series = :thumbdwn: ( :banghead: for the droopy nose and drunk lid)

The Roadstergal
08-25-2003, 06:23 PM
:blah:


I would have to say that one of the major sucesses of Bangle's team's styling is with cut lines. They have done a terrific integration of cut lines into the styling of their vehicles. Just take a look at the side profile of the Z4. The lines flow very smoothly from the front to the back, all around the car.

Kaz
08-25-2003, 06:54 PM
Cutlines are a big problem. Bangle uses em... in a bad way. Like an excuse to emphasize an ugly cutline and say "see, it's harmonious" when it isn't. And xspeedy is right, VAG has been doing a great job with their cutlines.

Headlight shapes are another problem. It's getting a little better (E63) but the E65's cutouts into the bumper looks like a person who hasn't slept in a week. E60s have some unknown piece missing on the side. E85s also have 'bags' in the form of the signals. E83s have odd hard angles. Come to think of it, there is no commonality between the headlight designs at all.

The ultra-wide kidneys are getting rather ridiculous.

And of course there is the Bangle Butt, though the E63 is improved (somehow) over the E65.

At least so far only the E85 has serious 'flame surfacing' on the sides. Stand next to the front door of a Z4 and look down and forward at the front fender aft of the wheel opening. What's the deal with the 85deg edge and the slab going straight down? Where is the 'surfacing' anyways?

The Roadstergal
08-25-2003, 07:16 PM
The ultra-wide kidneys are getting rather ridiculous.

And of course there is the Bangle Butt, though the E63 is improved (somehow) over the E65.


The E60's kidneys don't look bigger than the E46. And look at the E46 next to the E30 - it very much has the Bangle butt.

Kaz
08-25-2003, 07:25 PM
The E60's kidneys don't look bigger than the E46. And look at the E46 next to the E30 - it very much has the Bangle butt.

..compared to post-facelift E46s, yes (and I don't like the widened E46 kidneys).

And I don't see ANY Bangle Butt-ness on the E46 (or 39 or 38). I don't see a 'shoulder' with an overhanging box sitting on top of it. Even the Volvo S60/80 only has the shoulder, no box.

The Roadstergal
08-25-2003, 08:37 PM
<a href=http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=17699>I do see it</a>. :) Of course, I like both of these overdone butts. I must have a thing for them.

<img src=http://www.germancarfans.com/photos/3020228.001/1001.jpg>

<img width=700 src=http://members.roadfly.com/avi89m3/IMG_0599.jpg>

LMC
08-26-2003, 05:09 AM
What makes me so unhappy is that I pretty much liked the styling of all BMWs up to the new 7er, but like mbr129, I find ALL the new designs unattractive. I'm hooked on BMW driving dynamics, and I like to buy a new car every few years -- so if BMW maintained the status quo (reasonably attractive cars, good engineering, etc.) I think I'd be a satisfied customer every few years for life.

Of course my first choice in styling would be beautiful, but I could live with ordinary. I won't do downright ugly, though -- and that's where I see BMW going. Given the design direction, though, I see a problem a few years down the road: I plan to buy a 2004 330i (my 4th BMW in 10 years) and then around 2007-2010, if current trends continue, I suppose I'll look around for another make. Or keep the '04 forever.

Of course; I said echoes of, not an exact copy. And I like the differences that make it a BMW. You don't. C'est la vie. :dunno:


Edit - And I just don't get it. There have been plenty of BMWs, throughout the years, that I haven't liked. And I never felt an urge to start a thread - "Wow, does anyone else think that the E39 is really in need of a redesign?" I looked at what I liked, and let what I didn't like go by, and let those who like it go ahead and enjoy it - their enjoyment didn't hurt my enjoyment of models I did like, and I assumed that ripping on what they liked would have some effect on their enjoyment of it.

BMW design is not static, and I think that's great. If you don't like something, you'll have a new style to choose from in not-too-long. If you like an older style, BMWs last forever. I think that's a terrific thing. :dunno:

Mr. Sparkle
08-26-2003, 12:22 PM
E65/66 7-Series :thumbup:

E85 Z4 :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

E60 5-Series :thumbup:

E63/64 6-Series :thumbup:

E83 X3 :dunno: Not sure about this one.

numbersguy
08-26-2003, 12:55 PM
Hated the Z3.

Love the Z4.

The 7 looks kinda strange, but all 7s ever built look strange. Long and narrow like 5s made into stretch limos.

The pics of the 5 are disappointing, even though I like the side contours, the headlights and the rear bustle are too precious, too fussed-over.

I'm afraid of what they'll do to the 3. I think BMW is smart enough to be afraid too! Anybody think they're still making changes to it?

HaqDeluxe
08-27-2003, 01:54 PM
As far as progressive, forward-looking style.. I like them all!

Not Love.. Like!

This same debate went on when the line transitioned from the E30 to the E36 and from the E34 to the E39. "What the Hell are they thinking!" was the loyalist's battle cry. Now all four series are held in the same high regard as their predecessors. The E36 is already considered as much a classic as the E30 and the E39 ď5Ē is considered the best BMW sedan ever put on the road. If you look at the E46-M3 and canít see where the E36-M3ís looks were getting stale, then frankly youíre not being objective.

But what do I know.. I drive an M Coupe! :D

bmw325
08-27-2003, 02:26 PM
I'm very heartened to see that about 65% of us find the new designs ho-hum or worse. I've seen similar (or worse) numbers in similar polls in Autoweek and CAR magazine. With this many people thinking that their new designs suck, I'm hopeful that BMW will get the message.

I give all the new designs a big :thumbdwn: :puke: I actually think the e60 is the worst of them. The e90 is looking somewhat passable-although i have to see the interior before I pass final judgement.

Yes, there have been similar outcries about new BMWs in the past-- but I really don't think they've been as deeply hated by as many people. Past design evolutions have also not been so radical. The most radical was probably the e28 to the e34-- and that's very mild compared to what we're seeing now. Its really odd to me that BMW felt they needed to overhaul their styling so much. There are plenty of other things that customers are much more concerned about where they could have better spent their time and energy, and probably had more and happier customers as a result. For the driving-feel of a BMW, I would put up with a lot in the way of questionable or even bland styling-- but these new models push me over the edge. I could also think of lots of ways that the existing designs could've been "modernized" without being uglified. Its almost as if Bangle and his designers suffered severe brain damage-- I just don't understand how professional designers could think these things look good. Or, maybe its a result of the kind of "group-think" environment that many poor corporate decisions get made in. Most likely, its simply that Bangle is one of the most charasmatic people at BMW now, and he happens to have terrible taste. So, everyone just kind of goes along with his because he has a "vision".

TD
08-27-2003, 02:29 PM
Go to Google and do a search on "ugly BMW". It's amazing. The BMW styling "trend" is being discussed on virtually every automotive forum and has been referenced in numerous articles in reputable magazines/sources. Hell, even Edmunds has a Town Hall dedicated to discussing the "ugly new BMWs". I even saw the Aztek referenced a few times among the hits.

It just ain't pretty.

LeucX3
08-27-2003, 03:36 PM
I've said it before and i'll say it again. I like the 6. It's the only one of the new designs that i like.

I had to put a pic of the 7 as my work laptop wallpaper in hopes of actually starting to like it, but it's not working. :mad:

The Roadstergal
08-27-2003, 03:57 PM
As far as progressive, forward-looking style.. I like them all!

Not Love.. Like!

This same debate went on when the line transitioned from the E30 to the E36 and from the E34 to the E39. "What the Hell are they thinking!" was the loyalist's battle cry. Now all four series are held in the same high regard as their predecessors. The E36 is already considered as much a classic as the E30 and the E39 ď5Ē is considered the best BMW sedan ever put on the road. If you look at the E46-M3 and canít see where the E36-M3ís looks were getting stale, then frankly youíre not being objective.

But what do I know.. I drive an M Coupe! :D

The first time I saw a coupe, I thought it was the ugliest thing I've ever seen! But the more I saw it, the more I liked it, and now I love it.

The first time I saw a Z4 in person, I thought, wow. Sweet. I just had to look it over and over, seeing every line - all of them very cool. :D

The Roadstergal
08-27-2003, 04:03 PM
Go to Google and do a search on "ugly BMW". It's amazing. The BMW styling "trend" is being discussed on virtually every automotive forum and has been referenced in numerous articles in reputable magazines/sources. Hell, even Edmunds has a Town Hall dedicated to discussing the "ugly new BMWs". I even saw the Aztek referenced a few times among the hits.


I did the search. The first hit was for the 2000 Z3, a few down was the '79 5, then a motorcycle (beemer), then a few car acronym sites that happen to list BMW (Break My Wallet) near BUICK (Big Ugly something)...

Go to Miata.net and see how many people think the Z3 is ugly. Should y'all care? I don't think so. A different bunch, who bought a different car because they like different looks. More reviews have come out saying they love it than say they're not sure...

And even if every review that was released said the Z4 was ugly (that's a long shot, but play along with me here), I'm really not big on other people telling me whether to like a car or not. I just find it attractive. :)

Alex Baumann
08-27-2003, 04:38 PM
Nobody is telling you whether to like a car or not.

Should y'all care? I don't think so

May we decide what do we care and what not ? Thanks :rolleyes:

The Roadstergal
08-27-2003, 05:11 PM
May we decide what do we care and what not ? Thanks :rolleyes:


TD was saying he was embarassed because some fora elsewhere were saying they didn't like the car. I suggested that caring about the opinions on sites such as Miata.net might not be the more satisfying way to go about looking at things. Sorry if that came out in an insulting/condescending/whatever manner.

I did say "I don't think so" and not "You shouldn't care about that, period." ;)

TD
08-27-2003, 06:02 PM
Actually, I was indicating that it's not jsut a few die-hard loonies here who hate the new BMW designs.

I agree with RGal that I don't buy anything based on anyone else's opinion. But let's not pretend that people actually like these designs.

Plaz
08-27-2003, 06:07 PM
But let's not pretend that people actually like these designs.


So, am I pretending, or am I not a person? :dunno:

I'm lukewarm on the E65, LOVE the Z4, and like the E60.