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JetBlack330i
09-12-2003, 08:08 PM
I need to replace my aging ML... soon.
When will it be available in US?
Where can I find official pics?
Any truth to the statement that it will have bigger cargo room than the X5?

SARAFIL
09-12-2003, 08:21 PM
I need to replace my aging ML... soon.
When will it be available in US?
Where can I find official pics?
Any truth to the statement that it will have bigger cargo room than the X5?

Demos in November, available for sale in the Spring.

Official pics at bmwusa.com.

I don't know the specs, but it looks about the same, or slightly larger. Check out the X5 and X3 boards at bimmer.org-- someone posted some pics from Frankfurt.

Nick325xiT 5spd
09-12-2003, 09:17 PM
If it's an expanded 3'er Touring, then it will HAVE to have more cargo room than the X5.

e.biemold
09-12-2003, 11:21 PM
I read at a dutch website that the X3 3.0i should cost 4.000 less then a X5 with the same engine. In the USA the price difference will be around $ 3.000 based on that

Jimmy325
09-15-2003, 04:10 PM
I need to replace my aging ML... soon.
When will it be available in US?
Where can I find official pics?
Any truth to the statement that it will have bigger cargo room than the X5?

Jim,

BMW of Austin sales manager told me they expect 2 demo vehicles by Thanksgiving. On sale early next year. He said price should mimic the 3 series with same engine, except news on euro pricing indicates that the X3 3.0 is going to be a few grand less than X5 3.0, which means ppl might just pony up a few extra thousand bucks and spring for the X5.

Also, X3 is the size of Freelander or Jeep Cherokee, a little bit smaller than X5. Around size of an RX300. About trunk space, not sure.

Let's go test drive one this Thanksgiving, wanna see who can flip one over first? Just kiddin.

Jimmy

JetBlack330i
09-15-2003, 04:22 PM
Jim,

BMW of Austin sales manager told me they expect 2 demo vehicles by Thanksgiving. On sale early next year. He said price should mimic the 3 series with same engine, except news on euro pricing indicates that the X3 3.0 is going to be a few grand less than X5 3.0, which means ppl might just pony up a few extra thousand bucks and spring for the X5.

Also, X3 is the size of Freelander or Jeep Cherokee, a little bit smaller than X5. Around size of an RX300. About trunk space, not sure.

Let's go test drive one this Thanksgiving, wanna see who can flip one over first? Just kiddin.

Jimmy
Yeah, I think I can wait till Thanksgiving. :p
If it's the same engine, with more trunk space and a lighter overall weight, I don't see why anyone would pony up extra thousands for the X5. The way I heard it, it's going to cost the same (or very close) as an X5.
We will see how good it is...

WDC330i
09-16-2003, 06:17 AM
Another huge potential savings is that the X3 will be available for Eurodelivery, since it'll be manufactured over there. Austria? I think...

GimpyMcFarlan
09-16-2003, 05:30 PM
Check out this cool X3 web site...

BMW X3 Web Site (http://www.bmw.com/x3/index.html)

JetBlack330i
09-16-2003, 05:44 PM
:thumbup:

Jimmy325
09-17-2003, 08:49 AM
Yeah, I think I can wait till Thanksgiving. :p
If it's the same engine, with more trunk space and a lighter overall weight, I don't see why anyone would pony up extra thousands for the X5. The way I heard it, it's going to cost the same (or very close) as an X5.
We will see how good it is...

Because the X5 is "considered" more upscale than the X3. Larger, more luxurious, more expensive. The number 5 is higher than the number 3. Only car lovers like us think words such as "same engine and lighter overall weight." Regular BMW customers think image.

Emission
09-17-2003, 09:29 AM
Because the X5 is "considered" more upscale than the X3. Larger, more luxurious, more expensive. The number 5 is higher than the number 3. Only car lovers like us think words such as "same engine and lighter overall weight." Regular BMW customers think image.

The 5-series (E39) is only marginally larger (on the inside) that the 3-series (E46), yet they are VERY different cars.

I don't expect the X3 to be much smaller than the X5, but I assure you they will be very different vehicles as well.

I see the X3 appealing to a younger client, much like the E46. The E39 buyer tends to be more mature, with a bit more personal wealth. I see the X3/X5 relationship following that trend.

Jimmy325
09-17-2003, 10:22 AM
The 5-series (E39) is only marginally larger (on the inside) that the 3-series (E46), yet they are VERY different cars.

I don't expect the X3 to be much smaller than the X5, but I assure you they will be very different vehicles as well.

I see the X3 appealing to a younger client, much like the E46. The E39 buyer tends to be more mature, with a bit more personal wealth. I see the X3/X5 relationship following that trend.

Emission,

I have an E46 as well as an E39, though I have not checked the numbers on interior space, the E39 does "feel" a lot spacier than the E46 in the interior cabin department, regardless of what BMW published numbers show. I would say it's more than marginal.

I agree with you on the E46/E39 X3/X5 relationship. Will be very interesting to see the X3 up close in person.

So, how is the new job going? You having the blast of your life? I read your thread a while ago on the new job opportunity related to cars. Do you get to test drive new cars in advance?

Jimmy

Emission
09-17-2003, 02:26 PM
Emission,

I have an E46 as well as an E39, though I have not checked the numbers on interior space, the E39 does "feel" a lot spacier than the E46 in the interior cabin department, regardless of what BMW published numbers show. I would say it's more than marginal.

I agree with you on the E46/E39 X3/X5 relationship. Will be very interesting to see the X3 up close in person.

So, how is the new job going? You having the blast of your life? I read your thread a while ago on the new job opportunity related to cars. Do you get to test drive new cars in advance?

Jimmy

The 5-series is wider by a couple inches - giving a visual boost to the marginal size increase. The rear seats aren't much bigger (but wider again).

New job is a blast (I actually turned it into my own company dealing with Automotive Media Services). I get to test drive cars in advance and drive cool cars on the track (check out my latest article on NISMO parts - like BMW's "M" division):

http://www.freshalloy.com/site/features/events/2003/nismo/home.shtml

A few minutes ago, I picked-up a new G35 6-speed to test for a week.

Jimmy325
09-17-2003, 04:19 PM
The 5-series is wider by a couple inches - giving a visual boost to the marginal size increase. The rear seats aren't much bigger (but wider again).

New job is a blast (I actually turned it into my own company dealing with Automotive Media Services). I get to test drive cars in advance and drive cool cars on the track (check out my latest article on NISMO parts - like BMW's "M" division):

http://www.freshalloy.com/site/features/events/2003/nismo/home.shtml

A few minutes ago, I picked-up a new G35 6-speed to test for a week.

Emission,

You know, it's funny people think inches is just marginal, but makes a big difference in reality.(my opinion) My dad was in my M3 and felt somewhat cramped. And yeah, the 5er rear seats are wider, roomier, with more head room and leg room. I'm not arguing with you at all, but just wanted to point out that on spec, 5er probably only few inches larger, but feels vastly different. I recently sat in my friend's E46 rear seats and my knees were rubbing against the back of the front seats while my hair was brushing the roof, doesn't happen in the 5er, not even close. Okay, I feel like I'm trying to make a point here. Heh. :D

But, anyway, you are much more of an experienced automobile man than I am so I respect your opinion on that few inches translate to marginal difference. :thumbup:

Btw, you lucky to drive new cars. I await the day when you test drive and evaluate the performance of the new V10 M5.

Jimmy

Emission
09-17-2003, 06:02 PM
Emission,

You know, it's funny people think inches is just marginal, but makes a big difference in reality.(my opinion) My dad was in my M3 and felt somewhat cramped. And yeah, the 5er rear seats are wider, roomier, with more head room and leg room. I'm not arguing with you at all, but just wanted to point out that on spec, 5er probably only few inches larger, but feels vastly different. I recently sat in my friend's E46 rear seats and my knees were rubbing against the back of the front seats while my hair was brushing the roof, doesn't happen in the 5er, not even close. Okay, I feel like I'm trying to make a point here. Heh. :D



I completely agree - the E39 is much more comfortable. I also agree that rulers rarely tell the true story about interior space (for that matter, nor do published horsepower numbers!).

I never considered it an argument.. :p

beware_phog
09-23-2003, 10:26 AM
I completely agree - the E39 is much more comfortable. I also agree that rulers rarely tell the true story about interior space (for that matter, nor do published horsepower numbers!).

I never considered it an argument.. :p

X3 Link (http://www.bmwusa.com/welcome.cfm?page=site_layout/x3preview/index.html)

Check out the quicktime virtual reality option as you play on the "experience". As you turn the car, the background goes from mountains, beach, city...pretty slick.

I too would like to know cargo space v e60 5-series.

London Talking
09-29-2003, 01:51 PM
I need to replace my aging ML... soon.
When will it be available in US?
Where can I find official pics?
Any truth to the statement that it will have bigger cargo room than the X5?

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