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Alex Baumann
09-25-2003, 12:55 PM
No, I'm not talking about the CS-1 ;)

Concept Car made by Designworks

TD
09-25-2003, 01:04 PM
:eeps: I think I like it.

Mr. The Edge
09-25-2003, 01:13 PM
http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=19792

this shot reminds me of the new Mustang

Kaz
09-25-2003, 01:17 PM
If THAT was 'Flame Surfacing' instead of the crap we're actually getting, I'd say, Flame On! I see plenty of BMW cues, and also plenty of innovative new ideas as well (the dash cluster fade into the hood is SWEET!).

TD
09-25-2003, 01:19 PM
I agree. THAT looks like a BMW, except updated. I'd buy one in a heartbeat.

Tanning machine
09-25-2003, 01:22 PM
http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=19792

this shot reminds me of the new Mustang

The front reminds me of an old 320 or 2002

Kaz
09-25-2003, 01:23 PM
I agree. THAT looks like a BMW, except updated. I'd buy one in a heartbeat.

No, you wouldn't. It would have DSC and DBW.

jpgurl
09-25-2003, 01:23 PM
sort of reminds me of this (except with no b-pillar):

http://members.roadfly.org/jpgurl/1969_opel_gt_02.jpg

bmw325
09-25-2003, 01:23 PM
http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=19792

this shot reminds me of the new Mustang

Yeah-- same here. Actually, it has a very 60s American look to it- w/ the greenhouse from a 2002 grafted on. Looks much better than anything else we've seen from designworks-- and i'm quite sure hte 1 will not resemble this at all.

I don't think they'd be able to build a modern production car w/ roof pillars that thin either.

JonM
09-25-2003, 01:25 PM
I like it. A lot. The belt line to roof line height ratio does look a lot like a 2002.

Mr. The Edge
09-25-2003, 01:31 PM
1750 alfa coupe?

http://classicautomart.com/1969Alfa10-03-01-1.jpg

http://tina.pirate-king.com/images/ScottsCar/June%202,%202002%20003.jpg

·clyde·
09-25-2003, 01:31 PM
I dunno what you guys are smoking, but I see a lot more CS than 2002 in it.

Whichever, though. I like it too. :thumbup:

Now if only the thin pillars could actually make it into production.

Pete Teoh
09-25-2003, 01:39 PM
When can I order one? :yummy:

PhilH
09-25-2003, 01:39 PM
Are these world exclusive spy shots? :yikes:

Is your dad going to get in trouble? :eeps:

That thing is hot, but it's not the 4-door that Autoweek promised just a couple days ago (but they could be as misled as anyone else). With an inline-6, it looks like exactly what I was hoping for in a track car. Wow.

The Roadstergal
09-25-2003, 01:46 PM
That is very, very nice.

The Bangle-bashers shouldn't be liking it, though. It has a bulbous, non-integrated Bangle butt. A lot like the 6, the only real difference beaing the lack of seams (since it's not a real car yet, of course).

<img src=http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=19790>

:thumbup:

Kaz
09-25-2003, 01:47 PM
What about a brief styling analysis? :D

First, I'd like to see a lit, straight shot of the front. These shots are too Glamour Shots-ish and it's hard to make out any frontal detail.

Tail: E31 8er-like, but more organic, less 80s wedgy. Does have a little TSX in the lights but this is better. The hump emphasizing the blau-mit-weiss is unnecessary, though it complements the like bit on the hood, which works well.

Looking at the rear 3/4, the entire fender/door/mirror/beltline just screams Z8. Beautiful. That rear quarterwindow and lack of b-pillar woudn't make production, but I'm sure there'd be a way to not ruin that.

The greenhouse is open and airy, and has a good deal of CS Coupe in it. The base of the C-pillar is a bit small for a roundel, but you could imagine one there.

Unlike the 'WTF' Zorro lines and odd door cutlines of the Z4, the curve and slant does a great job linking the front and rear wheelwells, and exaggerates the 'hunched back' look-of-power. Nice integration of the doorhandle in this line.

The hood has nice, subtle bulges above the shock towers. the teardrop tail of the roundel (reminds me of a B&W Nautilus tweeter) gives a nice, classic 'hood ornament' feel without an emblem hanging in the wind, not that BMW has a three-pointed star ot Spirit of Ecstasy to do that with. The dash binnacle 'extension' is just brilliant. New idea, yet old in the sense that you might have seen that someplace on an old European race car someplace. Emphasizes this as a "driver's car" completely opposite of the symmetrical 'driver is just another passenger' dash of the new production models.

Being a fan of the original Land Shark E24 (how BMW dare use that terminology in current Z4 marketing!!!), this does a good job of bringing that look back, but being able to ass the 'lights under glass' look that everybody is going for these days. I don't see why that line bisecting the roundel up there exists, though.

But up front (and this is why I'd like another frontal shot), the proportions aren't quite right. The bumper appears too big and riding too high up. The 'shark' fascia could stand to use 30-50% more height. This combination also makes the front fascia and into the front fender look far too small relative to the front wheel opening, like the grille/lights/forward fender were grafted on from a 7/8 scale car.

If this through some miracle becomes the 1er coupe, I'd be one of the first in line.

The HACK
09-25-2003, 01:47 PM
When I first saw it my initial reaction, besides "I like it, when can I put down a deposit Jon?", was "now that we know for sure this isn't going to be produced, I wonder how many regulars that b*tch and moan about new BMW design direction is going to say they like it?" :D

Frankly, I don't see this as being more conservative or traditional BMW than any of the new BMW designs. Where are the "traditionalists" b*tching about the hoodline or the fugly headlights or goofy rear end? To me most of the design cues on this car is just as weird as the 7 and 6 series rear end, and the headlight is just as weird as the 5er's Chinese eyes. :dunno:

Not to say I don't like it, but how can the same people who are critical of the new Z4, 7er, 6er, and 5er be singing the praises of THIS design?

The Roadstergal
09-25-2003, 01:51 PM
Hack, I still think it's the seams. There is no way for the hood or the trunk to open, as set out. ;) I think it's very much in line with the Z4 and the 6, which I love. The Z4 works a little bit better with the lines that the car is forced to have (in order for the hood and door to open), but this concept is very nice.

Kaz
09-25-2003, 01:52 PM
That is very, very nice.

The Bangle-bashers shouldn't be liking it, though. It has a bulbous, non-integrated Bangle butt. A lot like the 6, the only real difference beaing the lack of seams (since it's not a real car yet, of course).

:thumbup:

What are YOU smokin' today? The taillights and trunklid are actually in the same vertical plane, not to mention that there isn't a chasm between the trunk and fender. It's not 60 degrees off and some haze-induced idea of 'this two belong on the same car!' notion that the actual Bangle Butts are.

PhilH
09-25-2003, 01:54 PM
When I first saw it my initial reaction, besides "I like it, when can I put down a deposit Jon?", was "now that we know for sure this isn't going to be produced, I wonder how many regulars that b*tch and moan about new BMW design direction is going to say they like it?" :D

Not to say I don't like it, but how can the same people who are critical of the new Z4, 7er, 6er, and 5er be singing the praises of THIS design?
Considering the source, you might be right about this not being the design.

This design is clean as hell compared to the Z4, 7-series, 6-series and even the 5-series. There's a real lack of any extraneous bulges and curves where they aren't needed.

edit-->for some reason, we just set a new record for most users ever online at bimmerfest...

Kaz
09-25-2003, 01:56 PM
I think I can see how you Bangle-lovers can connect this to the E63/65/83, and I will admit that if you put the following in this order:

This -> CS1 -> E83 -> E60 -> E63 -> E65

that there is a resemblance. But there is NO WAY you could line this up directly with a E65 or Z9 and say they share a design philosophy (or design bong or whatever).

TD
09-25-2003, 02:03 PM
That is very, very nice.

The Bangle-bashers shouldn't be liking it, though. It has a bulbous, non-integrated Bangle butt. A lot like the 6, the only real difference beaing the lack of seams (since it's not a real car yet, of course).

<img src=http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=19790>

:thumbup:
Should we infer anything from that faux license plate?

As in 225Ci? The 2-series was to be the small coupe and the 1-series the small sedan.

The Roadstergal
09-25-2003, 02:03 PM
What are YOU smokin' today? The taillights and trunklid are actually in the same vertical plane, not to mention that there isn't a chasm between the trunk and fender. It's not 60 degrees off and some haze-induced idea of 'this two belong on the same car!' notion that the actual Bangle Butts are.

Come, now. Look at the angle - the top of the spoiler and the lights go into the rest of the butt at a significant angle. In the 6, the lights are in line with the base and go into the lid at an angle. Here, it's the opposite. Parallel funkiness.

P/S in a trunk lid line and it will look just as funky.

<img src=http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=19790>

The Roadstergal
09-25-2003, 02:09 PM
This design is clean as hell compared to the Z4, 7-series, 6-series and even the 5-series. There's a real lack of any extraneous bulges and curves where they aren't needed.

Someone P/S in realisitic lines for the hood, door and trunk and see how clean it looks. It's not due to lack of bulges and curves. ;)

PhilH
09-25-2003, 02:10 PM
This car is on the Designworks website...

http://www.designworksusa.com/site.html

Click "experience our design" "cars & motocycles" and then "car concepts".

Alex Baumann
09-25-2003, 02:11 PM
There's no similarity between this concept and the new 6er, not at all.

TD
09-25-2003, 02:12 PM
:tsk:

It IS a clean design. And, yes, that is what makes it different from the other Banled messes. Trunk lines, etc won't change that.

This looks great. Why are you trying to piss on the one shred of hope some of us have seen in a long time? I would buy this car. I would think that would make you Bangle-lovers happy.

Kaz
09-25-2003, 02:13 PM
Come, now. Look at the angle - the top of the spoiler and the lights go into the rest of the butt at a significant angle. In the 6, the lights are in line with the base and go into the lid at an angle. Here, it's the opposite. Parallel funkiness.

P/S in a trunk lid line and it will look just as funky.

<img src=http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=19790>

Unless you're drawing your cutlines with a ten-ton press, you can put a cutline wherever you want and it's still not going to look like this:

http://www.bmwnation.com/images/gallery/6/e63e64/e63_645Ci_02_s.jpg

Let me know when you finish filling in that chasm with a barrel of bondo.

piku
09-25-2003, 02:13 PM
[QUOTE=PhilH]Are these world exclusive spy shots? :yikes:

Is your dad going to get in trouble? :eeps:

QUOTE]

Wait a second. Alex is the son of a BMW Executive? I didn't know that. :dunno:
I like that car, a lot! :thumbup:

Kaz
09-25-2003, 02:16 PM
Someone P/S in realisitic lines for the hood, door and trunk and see how clean it looks. It's not due to lack of bulges and curves. ;)

Um, I don't know if your monitor is bad or what, but I can see perfectly plausible cutlines for the hood, trunk and doors in those pics.

PhilH
09-25-2003, 02:16 PM
Wait a second. Alex is the son of a BMW Executive? I didn't know that. :dunno:

I was just trying to get him to tell us where he got the pics (but yes, as far as I know).

piku
09-25-2003, 02:18 PM
Yeah, there is about 565 guests viewing this thread, it must be linked to all the other boards :)

Linked at VWVortex by PhilH. :p

Alex Baumann
09-25-2003, 02:19 PM
Linked at our german board by me as well :eeps:

Kaz
09-25-2003, 02:19 PM
This car is on the Designworks website...

http://www.designworksusa.com/site.html

Click "experience our design" "cars & motocycles" and then "car concepts".

Whoa :yikes: Check out that red coupe! Looks VERY Italian. NICE!!!

PhilH
09-25-2003, 02:19 PM
Linked at VWVortex by PhilH. :p
That can't be all from the vortex...can it? That thread only has 141 total views at this point.

scottn2retro
09-25-2003, 02:20 PM
Like what I see in the pics, so I'll be anxious to see what actually becomes available to the public. :thumbup:

Alex Baumann
09-25-2003, 02:20 PM
That can't be all from the vortex...can it? That thread only has 141 total views at this point.

also posted on toadfly :angel:

The Roadstergal
09-25-2003, 02:23 PM
LOL I didn't say they were identical, I said they were quite similar, and share design charecteristics. And they do. It's the same arguemnt when you show a Bangle-basher the Bangle influences on the Bangle-designed E46. Nooo! It doesn't look like it, not at all, nohow!
It's not identical - but it shares the same philosophy. Butt with an integrated back-curving lip, a rear that has an inwards slope both down from the top and up from the bottom, meeting in a sharp line. The purely-for-design line that runs below the window, along the side (not on the E46, but on the 6 and on this concept).

After looking at the rear and the side of the E30, which are just flat with no design flares at all, the similarities in the two jump out more at me. The E30 just came from a different philosophy entirely. MHO, those who like E46s are used to looking at specific differences in order to say that their cars are <i>not bangleish</i>, not the overall.

(I do think the front of the 6 is sleeker, especially in the roofline - the windshield meets the roof more bulbously in this one. If I have a complaint, it's that the nose is a little abrupt.)

The Roadstergal
09-25-2003, 02:28 PM
Tail: Z8-like, but more organic, less 80s wedgy.

I don't see any Z8. The Z8 curves down from the top and up from the rear to a point, with slitty lights. There are far more angles and points in this pic.

<img src=http://images.cardomain.com/member_img_a/215000-215999/215095_3_full.jpg>

<img src=http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=19790>

Kaz
09-25-2003, 02:30 PM
I don't see any Z8. The Z8 curves down from the top and up from the rear to a point, with slitty lights. There are far more angles and points in this pic.

<img src=http://images.cardomain.com/member_img_a/215000-215999/215095_3_full.jpg>

<img src=http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=19790>

Oops, OK, I WILL admit to this one, since I did screw up. I meant the E31 8er (and anyone smart enough should be able to figure that out anyhow). I'll make the correction.

The Roadstergal
09-25-2003, 02:33 PM
(and anyone smart enough should be able to figure that out anyhow)

:nono: <img src=http://members.roadfly.com/cargogal/dmanit.gif>

Insults of my intelligence aside, the 8s have the E30 flatness, not this curvy/slantiness. They don't have integrated spoilers in the trunklid, and the lights and rear panels line up vertically.

bmw325
09-25-2003, 03:00 PM
Roadstergal-

Your points about seeing much more "Bangle" in this design and the e46 vs cars like the e30 are well taken. Yes, the e46 does have a big butt compared w/ older BMWs. The things that us "Bangle bashers" object to are mostly in the details. Yes, that may sound "nit picky" but when you add up all the gratuiitous slashes, strange cruves, eyebrows, bad trunk/hood cut-lines, droopy grilles, you end up with a mess. The z4 could look good if it didn't have a hump-back, was not zoro'd and didn't have a droopy snout. The e65 could look decent if it weren't for its front and rear styling. The e60 would take more work...

This concept does have a few styling cues that are a little funky. But overall, the overall shape is nice, there are no distracting cuts (and the one character line it has is nicely dont). The tail is kind of innocuous in a TSX-way-- not good or bad. The headlights are a bit "funky"-- but atleast they don't have eyebrows, and the grille isnt drooping (the 2 things that us Bangle-bashers object to the most). And, I LOVE the return of the shark-nose-- that was one of BMW's best styling cues. Anyway, this is exactly the type of design I would've expected from BMW to "move themselves into the 21st century". INstead, they just went for gratuitous (ugly) flash on their production models.

Regarding your point on how there aren't any cut-lines, and that it will look different w/ those added:
Yes, I agree-- but there won't necessarily need to be the strange hood cut-lines that bow outwards (as on the e60), or trunk cut-lines that do the same (as on the e65 and e60).

Edit:
Actually, I think you should send you design analysis to BMW to demonstrate this concept is in keeping with the latest Bangle philosophy. If this concept counts as "Bangle-ized" that's fine w/ me if it'll mean BMW would build something like this vs something like the CS1.

TGray5
09-25-2003, 03:00 PM
I don't think they'd be able to build a modern production car w/ roof pillars that thin either.

Yeap....sure wouldn't want to roll in that car...no B pillar and stick like A pillar. Perhaps they make up for the roof weakness by using headrest pop up roll hoops like the e46 cic?

The Roadstergal
09-25-2003, 03:12 PM
The things that us "Bangle bashers" object to are mostly in the details. Yes, that may sound "nit picky" but when you add up all the gratuiitous slashes, strange cruves, eyebrows, bad trunk/hood cut-lines, droopy grilles, you end up with a mess. The z4 could look good if it didn't have a hump-back, was not zoro'd and didn't have a droopy snout...
Anyway, this is exactly the type of design I would've expected from BMW to "move themselves into the 21st century". INstead, they just went for gratuitous (ugly) flash on their production models.


Well, isn't that the distinction. The lines on the Z4 are very nice, well-integrated, and not in excess - in my opinion. But the Bangle-bashers don't believe in opinion. Y'all say something is ugly and put it out as holy gospel. There are designs BMW has done in the past and did recently that I don't like at all, ughugh, but I understand that my taste may differ from others' and leave it be, for the most part. So why can't y'all?

The 7 and the Z4 are from the same mold, no question. And I can accept that a car I love and a car I don't are in the same family of design. Yet somehow it would ruin this car, for many here, to admit that it has Bangly characteristics. Pretty :loco:. :dunno:

The Roadstergal
09-25-2003, 03:15 PM
Yeap....sure wouldn't want to roll in that car...no B pillar and stick like A pillar. Perhaps they make up for the roof weakness by using headrest pop up roll hoops like the e46 cic?

I think they'd beef up the A and add a B if they made it for real - I don't think they put popups into any non-convertible? And the recent cabrios put on a lot of weight in order to not sacrifice stiffness sans roof.

Artslinger
09-25-2003, 03:34 PM
I like how the lines flow really well... and no tacked on bulging big butt.

I like the retro front hood over hang. I like the retro driver hood wind screen fairing. I like the old fake 60s side vent window. I like the wheels. I like the side crease line. The car looks fast just sitting.

Well it is just a concept... if the car is ever produced it will not look this clean.

I want one. :D

Technic
09-25-2003, 04:02 PM
This is a very nice, harmonious design, compared with the gimmick of the 6, 7 and 5 designs...

ObD
09-25-2003, 05:12 PM
The things that us "Bangle bashers" object to are mostly in the details. Yes, that may sound "nit picky" but when you add up all the gratuiitous slashes, strange cruves, eyebrows, bad trunk/hood cut-lines, droopy grilles, you end up with a mess.

Well said. :thumbup:

WILLIA///M
09-25-2003, 05:47 PM
Absolutely beautiful little coupe. I want one, now. :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

Chris90
09-25-2003, 06:20 PM
Is this an actual model, or just a drawing of some kind? it doesn't look real, looks photoshopped.
I don't really like it - but I think it would look ok once it's converted to a more realistic design, with door pillars and not such a low window line. What is Design Works, do they influence BMW designs?

aardvark
09-25-2003, 06:57 PM
This design has symmetry and balance.

This is exactly the kind of design BMW should be adopting...

I'd be first in line to buy one of these. :thumbup:

Jon Shafer
09-25-2003, 07:49 PM
Does anybody else notice that the beach panorama more than
resembles Pt. Dume (Zuma/Malibu)? It is no coincidence that
Designworks is within 20 miles of there as the crow flies...

Perhaps we should ask board member Adrian Van H??
:)

TD
09-25-2003, 08:09 PM
Does anybody else notice that the beach panorama more than
resembles Pt. Dume (Zuma/Malibu)? It is no coincidence that
Designworks is within 20 miles of there as the crow flies...

Perhaps we should ask board member Adrian Van H??
:)


:dunno:

:angel:

Sean
09-25-2003, 09:21 PM
Sorry guys, but : puke:

Powertrip
09-25-2003, 10:53 PM
Does anybody else notice that the beach panorama more than
resembles Pt. Dume (Zuma/Malibu)? It is no coincidence that
Designworks is within 20 miles of there as the crow flies...

Perhaps we should ask board member Adrian Van H??
:)

I think you're right on the money with that.. not that I know the coast line that well.. :D

The thing that has struck me as funny in the few conversations I've had with some Designworks staff is that some of them aren't car people. I can't imagine not having a passion for the automobile, but ultimately deciding what they look like.

This car is pretty inspired, however. I dig all of it except for the body-colored headlight buckets (I've always leaned towards a simple black when they're covered; I'd take a can of Krylon to an F360 if given the chance). My best guess is that this is a future 2-door 2-Series chassis dressed up for show- the dimensions are probably the same, but the styling is going to be more generic once it hits the streets.

-Chris

JakeC
09-26-2003, 12:01 AM
Well...I like it, but somehow looks too old, not modern at all, like a retro car.

TD
09-26-2003, 06:54 AM
Adrian's back :wave: :clap:

but, stop driving the X3, I have seen one a few times near the main office in NJ :tsk: :tsk: get yourself one of the new 6 series
These images are currently posted to our public website at designworksusa.com (or click on the link in my signature). They are part of our design portfolio.

Clearly, we do not go through the effort to design a vehicle such as the one in these images purely for our own enjoyment. AG requested a design study. However, as with many/most models, our design is just one of the designs being considered for possible production. It's existence does not mean it will be produced.

We are very proud of this design, which is why it is displayed in our web portfolio. And we would love to see it produced. However, we do not know if it actually will be produced. That is not our decision to make.

I hope this clears things up.

(And, Mr. Dogs, I have chosen the X3 because it's faux-masculinity matches my personality perfectly.)

PhilH
09-26-2003, 07:22 AM
All BSing aside, someone should tell BMW that they actually have a popular design on their hands. In a world where it's fashionable to bash Bangle, it's surprising that nearly 70% of car enthusiasts admit to liking a new BMW. A bunch of these guys are obviously VW owners as well, which is exactly the group to which the 1-series is being marketed.

http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=1039419

Like it (69%, 69 votes)

Dont like it (30%, 30 votes)

(99 total votes)

ARCHER
09-26-2003, 08:47 AM
Damn - I really like it!

This is the most coherent BMW design I have seen in quite some time. :thumbup:

tgravo2
09-26-2003, 12:06 PM
I think it looks cool :D

The Roadstergal
09-26-2003, 01:53 PM
Well...I like it, but somehow looks too old, not modern at all, like a retro car.

I think it's two things - the hood is very short (lengthwise) and fairly thick (vertically), and the A-pillar is at an angle to the roof that is close to right (modern sedans/coupes tend to have it obtuse). Those are both similar to an old Alfa or Mini or...

WILLIA///M
09-26-2003, 02:38 PM
I think it's two things - the hood is very short (lengthwise) and fairly thick (vertically), and the A-pillar is at an angle to the roof that is close to right (modern sedans/coupes tend to have it obtuse). Those are both similar to an old Alfa or Mini or...

That and the forward slant on the nose which is handled very nicely IMO. It's just so BMW like. I can't stop looking at it.

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=19792

Johann
09-26-2003, 02:55 PM
Screw buying an M/Z3 Coupe when I graduate college... BMW if the 1-/2-Series looks that good, I'll buy it.

Jonathan

TeamM3
09-26-2003, 03:03 PM
cute little bugger :)

AB
09-26-2003, 03:26 PM
These images are currently posted to our public website at designworksusa.com (or click on the link in my signature). They are part of our design portfolio.

Clearly, we do not go through the effort to design a vehicle such as the one in these images purely for our own enjoyment. AG requested a design study. However, as with many/most models, our design is just one of the designs being considered for possible production. It's existence does not mean it will be produced.

We are very proud of this design, which is why it is displayed in our web portfolio. And we would love to see it produced. However, we do not know if it actually will be produced. That is not our decision to make.

I hope this clears things up.

(And, Mr. Dogs, I have chosen the X3 because it's faux-masculinity matches my personality perfectly.)

Please note the excerpt below from the Bimmerfest Terms of Use:

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http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showpost.php?p=434463&postcount=13

PhilH
09-26-2003, 04:41 PM
Another rumor from Auto Express...

Sounds like a rocket if they really make it.

Thursday 25th September 2003

3.5 Into 1 Equals A Sizzling BMW!

Engineers at BMW are developing a 3.5-litre performance version of the 1-Series, the firm's forthcoming small family car.

Although the newcomer won't wear M-badges, as other sports models do, it will rival the 3.2-litre Audi A3 and Volvo S40R, featured in last week's issue.

With a choice of manual and semi-auto SMG gearboxes, the hot model will arrive early in 2005. The entry-level 1-Series is due in the UK late next year, powered by a new 115bhp 1.6-litre valvetronic engine.

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/?http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/ae_news_story.php?id=40245

WILLIA///M
09-26-2003, 05:08 PM
Another rumor from Auto Express...

Sounds like a rocket if they really make it.



http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/?http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/ae_news_story.php?id=40245

A 3.5 liter in the 1 series? Maybe a 2.5 liter. I think the 3.5 liter rumor holds more water for the E90. I still don't somehow believe the 2005 intro date either. I'd like it to be true but there would have been more spy shots of it by now wouldn't there? :dunno:

The Roadstergal
09-26-2003, 05:25 PM
I don't believe it, either. There's not a lot of room in that short hood.

If it's a new direction, how about a supercharged 2.xL? :)

EdCT
09-26-2003, 06:28 PM
No, I'm not talking about the CS-1 ;)

Concept Car made by Designworks

This is a nice design, and it's got BMW heritage.

I think I like it.

Ed

hector
09-27-2003, 06:29 AM
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A 3.5 liter in the 1 series? Maybe a 2.5 liter. I think the 3.5 liter rumor holds more water for the E90. I still don't somehow believe the 2005 intro date either. I'd like it to be true but there would have been more spy shots of it by now wouldn't there? :dunno:

If the top engine in the e90 is going to be an 8 cyl. displacing approximately 4.0ltrs., as has been rumored, then it doesn't seem to me to be far-fetched that the 1/2 series could receive a relatively large 6 cyl. engine displacing 3.5ltrs.

Lori
09-27-2003, 12:25 PM
Oh, that is a nice looking Bimmer. I hope we get the 2 series. I would buy one of these even if I didn't need a car.

Chris90
09-27-2003, 07:12 PM
A 135 in 2005 would be too good to be true. But it could happen, because BMW seems to be placing the 1 series as the new sport model in the lineup, with the 3 moving further up scale. So it would make sense for the 135 to be the fastest non-M car in the lineup. I'm guessing the M will be the coupe M2.

Lori
09-27-2003, 08:29 PM
Do you think we would get the M2 in the U.S.?

cenotaph
09-28-2003, 08:59 AM
Do you think we would get the M2 in the U.S.?
If we don't, I predict another letter writting campaign al la the E36 M3.

Lori
09-28-2003, 09:54 AM
If we don't, I predict another letter writting campaign al la the E36 M3.

Count me in.

Chris90
09-28-2003, 10:41 AM
I'm sure we'll get the M2, it will be a hot seller. Won't be til 2006 though probably, I can't wait that long to get a new car.

Lori
09-28-2003, 05:51 PM
I wonder how the performance will compare to the current M3. Anyone care to venture?

Chris90
09-28-2003, 07:13 PM
Speaking out of my ass, I'd say it'll be similar to the current M3 at lower speeds. Probably either a 3.5L with close to 300 hp, or a highly tuned 2.5L with 250 hp. Original rumor was a 220-250 hp 4 cylinder - but I dunno if the US model would get that.

I wonder how the performance will compare to the current M3. Anyone care to venture?

binaryfarms
09-28-2003, 08:08 PM
Add me as another HUGE fan of this design, absolutely love it, especially the forward slanted front end. A "cleaned up" production M2 version of this car might even keep me in the BMW family instead of jumping to the newly federalized Elise in the next couple years. Keep it small and light, and drop in a highly tuned straight 6 and I'd be a happy camper. If it's light enough, even the current 3.0l with 225 horses would be just fine.

I think the comparisons to the Z8 are right on, not so much in actual point to point details, but in the more retro styled proportions and overall feel the car gives. As opposed to the new 7, 5, and Z4, which seem to be more about establishing a new design vocabulary, this car seems to embrace past models much more closely in the same way the Z8 does. I happen to fall into this camp pretty heavily. Love the Z8, the Aston Martin DB9 and Vanquish, the new Ford GT, and this car. I have to admit that I had really never been a BMW fan until the e46, but my apprecation for this design really made me go back and look at past models, and now I really dig the e30 3, the 2002, and the 3.0csl. It's these cars that I really see in this concept, again not so much in point by points details, but in the way it carries the things that I've come to associate with BMW design icons of the past. the forward leaned nose, the short overhangs, the tall, almost awkward greenhouse. They definately run a fine line between cool and quirky. Anyway, maybe it's in large part these "newbies" like me that haven't owned a long string of 2002's that are so moved by this design concept?

Oh yeah, and if there's any way to work those super-flared fenders from CSL racer into the M version, that would be even better...

Plaz
09-28-2003, 08:11 PM
:eeps: I think I like it.

How could anyone not? That's freaking GORGEOUS!