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Sean
09-28-2003, 09:36 PM
: puke:

tgravo2
09-28-2003, 09:43 PM
:yummy: especially that 745

Z4 is nice too

5er is so so

Mr. The Edge
09-28-2003, 09:44 PM
nice cars!

:D

Pete Teoh
09-28-2003, 09:49 PM
Iluvit, iluvit, iluvit. :str8pimpi

nate
09-28-2003, 09:49 PM
Sweet! :)

shipping blocks still in the Z4? :dunno:

Sean
09-28-2003, 09:54 PM
Sweet! :)

shipping blocks still in the Z4? :dunno:


Yes, and the E60.

Sean
09-28-2003, 09:55 PM
Either you guys need your eyes checked or I need to smoke whatever it is you're smokin. :p

The Roadstergal
09-28-2003, 10:36 PM
Mmm... Z4... :)

The Roadstergal
09-28-2003, 11:15 PM
Mmm... lots of Z4s...

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Raffi
09-28-2003, 11:36 PM
I LOVE THEM! We all have different tastes, so what may be : puke: to you may be :yummy: to others. :D

binaryfarms
09-28-2003, 11:41 PM
Finally saw a new fiver in person this weekend : puke:
Out of the group of four people I was with, the survey said "unacceptable" on all counts.

It's better in person than in pictures, but still nowhere near good. Can't even see good from there. Headlights and tailights are awkward and ugly, and overdone, and the "soft" pontiac-style nose...

Didn't seem to phase buyers though, they were lining up to get one, even though the dealer was having to turn them away until the release date, I think it was Monday.

Apparently they're passing the crack pipe around to everyone but you and me brother.

Terry Kennedy
09-29-2003, 12:26 AM
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What is this color called? It seems pretty close to the "Wildberry Metallic" that my Talon was. This isn't the BMW "Barney Purple" in unusual lighting, is it? :D

operknockity
09-29-2003, 12:51 AM
What is this color called? It seems pretty close to the "Wildberry Metallic" that my Talon was. This isn't the BMW "Barney Purple" in unusual lighting, is it? :D
That color is called Merlot. I believe Techno Violet is what is referred to as "Barney Purple".

andy_thomas
09-29-2003, 04:41 AM
: puke:

Mmm. Vast, white BMW. Does it come with an ice-maker and auto-defrost?

Chris90
09-29-2003, 05:52 AM
You didn't think the Aztek's reign as Ugliest Car would last forever did you? BMW should buy cars from Pontiac for cheap and sell them with BMW badges for $50k.

Josh (PA)
09-29-2003, 06:46 AM
: puke:

Funny how when you hide the trunk and get the light to reflect just where the side/front marker abomination is, the E60 doesn't look too bad...

mbr129
09-29-2003, 07:33 AM
I have come to realize (to my surprise) that there are plenty of people who like the new designs. That's good for BMW. I just hope that it is not just BMW loyalists and "newest car on the block" yuppies that will support sales.

What can't be argued is that there are a LOT more people repulsed by the new designs than there were during the pre-Bangle era. And THAT can't be good for BMW.

The Roadstergal
09-29-2003, 08:12 AM
I just hope that it is not just BMW loyalists and "newest car on the block" yuppies that will support sales.

Yuppies buying the new car on the block have been a vital BMW buying block since the Neue Klasses. ;) It's a little odd to sit in an E46 and bemoan the legions of yuppies who will be buying the new designs.


What can't be argued is that there are a LOT more people repulsed by the new designs than there were during the pre-Bangle era. And THAT can't be good for BMW.

How do you know?

Some folk had a fit when the E30 was phased out for the E36. Some folk had a megafit when the E36 was phased out for the E46. You'll still find a large number of 2002 guys and E21 guys and E30 guys who think the E46 was the greatest abomination to come down the pike. And don't even start on the Z3... ;) I know of an E30 lovin' guy who couldn't stand the Z3 and thinks the Z4 is quite hot.

Ya need data to back up claims like that, and it just isn't out there. Anecdotal evidence goes both ways.

SARAFIL
09-29-2003, 08:36 AM
: puke:

I'm sorry, you accidentally chose the wrong icon. Let me fix it for you.

:yumyum:

Or perhaps

:wow:

mbr129
09-29-2003, 09:21 AM
Yuppies buying the new car on the block have been a vital BMW buying block since the Neue Klasses.

Very true. But hardly has BMW come under this much criticism in the past.

I am basing it on everyone I have talked about it with and people in this board. There are more people reacting negatively to the new designs than when say the E46 or E39 came out. I don't need data because it is my opinion.

Like I said, I wish BMW no ill, in fact the reverse. I just wont be part of the all-out Banglezation.

The Roadstergal
09-29-2003, 09:51 AM
Very true. But hardly has BMW come under this much criticism in the past.

I am basing it on everyone I have talked about it with and people in this board. There are more people reacting negatively to the new designs than when say the E46 or E39 came out. I don't need data because it is my opinion.

Not even the majority of the people in this <i>thread</i> are reacting negatively. ;) And this board is a bastion of BMW E46 thechangesstophere hardliners. :p

I disagree with your assertion that the current designs are disliked more than the old ones. There are more people reacting positively to the new designs then when, say, the E46 or E39 came out, based on my talking about it with people I know and on other fora. I don't need data because it is my opinion. :p ;)

EdCT
09-29-2003, 09:59 AM
I disagree with your assertion that the current designs are disliked more than the old ones. There are more people reacting positively to the new designs then when, say, the E46 or E39 came out, based on my talking about it with people I know and on other fora. I don't need data because it is my opinion. :p ;)

I'm kind of neutral on the new 5

My wife says they look like Joan Collins after age 60: they can't quite pull it all together.

Ed

Mr. Sparkle
09-29-2003, 10:00 AM
Good looking cars. :p

Sean
09-29-2003, 11:01 AM
Well, I personally believe there are more diehards that will be voting with their wallets on the recent styling. Only time will tell.

bbkat
09-29-2003, 11:05 AM
Either you guys need your eyes checked or I need to smoke whatever it is you're smokin. :p

Pass me the pipe too!

Alex Baumann
09-29-2003, 11:19 AM
I disagree with your assertion that the current designs are disliked more than the old ones. There are more people reacting positively to the new designs then when, say, the E46 or E39 came out, based on my talking about it with people I know and on other fora. I don't need data because it is my opinion. :p ;)

I disagree.

The new designs are ugly, IMO.

Raffi
09-29-2003, 11:29 AM
Not even the majority of the people in this <i>thread</i> are reacting negatively. ;) And this board is a bastion of BMW E46 thechangesstophere hardliners. :p

I disagree with your assertion that the current designs are disliked more than the old ones. There are more people reacting positively to the new designs then when, say, the E46 or E39 came out, based on my talking about it with people I know and on other fora. I don't need data because it is my opinion. :p ;)

: popcorn:

Chris90
09-29-2003, 12:27 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought most of the complaints about the E46 were because of the more isolated, quiet and softer driving feel, rather than the appearance. I don't remember many people complaining that the E46 was ugly when it came out - quite the opposite.

The HACK
09-29-2003, 12:36 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought most of the complaints about the E46 were because of the more isolated, quiet and softer driving feel, rather than the appearance. I don't remember many people complaining that the E46 was ugly when it came out - quite the opposite.

Well, if the .org archive works, you can go search into that archive to see those complaints.

I do remember a lot of the E36 "purist" complaining that it look like @ss and resembles a Honda Civic. :dunno:

The Roadstergal
09-29-2003, 01:36 PM
Well, if the .org archive works

:rofl:

rwg
09-29-2003, 03:25 PM
The people that I have talked to that might actually BUY a 7 series or a 5 series love them. The people that will drive 3 series or maybe a 1 series for the rest of their lives (for good reasons like driving characteristics) seem to be a mixed bag.

Saw a new 5 on the road yesterday. It was hot. I have gone from middle of the road to loving the Z4, too. Like most BMW designs, these grow on you and they age well. Many other car makers have a hard time accomplishing that. For example, the G35 coupe and the 350z were all the rage when they came out. Now, to some extent, they are just another car (and their resale will show it).

JST
09-29-2003, 03:29 PM
The people that I have talked to that might actually BUY a 7 series or a 5 series love them. The people that will drive 3 series or maybe a 1 series for the rest of their lives (for good reasons like driving characteristics) seem to be a mixed bag.

Saw a new 5 on the road yesterday. It was hot. I have gone from middle of the road to loving the Z4, too. Like most BMW designs, these grow on you and they age well. Many other car makers have a hard time accomplishing that. For example, the G35 coupe and the 350z were all the rage when they came out. Now, to some extent, they are just another car (and their resale will show it).


Arguing about aesthetics is, in some sense, pointless, because it's a very personal thing. FWIW, none of the BMW designs have grown on me at all, and I actually find the Z4 slightly more distasteful now than when I first saw it. I consider myself to be a potential 545 buyer (though I will not buy an E60). I know several folks who own 7s and 5s who agree. But, style opinions and taste are not universal.

OTOH, I've always liked the Infinitis (including the FX), and they continue to grow on me.

vern
09-29-2003, 04:02 PM
Bangle is doing a great job compared to body styles in past years.
My 2 cents
vern

Mr. Bimmer
09-29-2003, 05:28 PM
I think Bangle is doing a great job and is worthy of commendment. The changes he has inspired in the automotive industry since the introduction of the 745 is amazing. Anyone notice how styling, particilarly on American cars, has been getting progressively more distinctive since the Bangle "abdominations" hit the market? And as RoadsterGal implied, styling is an endless cycle. Watch, 8 or so years from now when the E60's sucessor is unveiled, E60 owners are going to be saying"it doesn't look as classic as the E60" or "this thing looks like ass, I'll be keepin' my E60" or something along those lines. Its happened with the transition from the E34 to the E39, and its going to happen again.

JST
09-29-2003, 08:45 PM
I think Bangle is doing a great job and is worthy of commendment. The changes he has inspired in the automotive industry since the introduction of the 745 is amazing. Anyone notice how styling, particilarly on American cars, has been getting progressively more distinctive since the Bangle "abdominations" hit the market? And as RoadsterGal implied, styling is an endless cycle. Watch, 8 or so years from now when the E60's sucessor is unveiled, E60 owners are going to be saying"it doesn't look as classic as the E60" or "this thing looks like ass, I'll be keepin' my E60" or something along those lines. Its happened with the transition from the E34 to the E39, and its going to happen again.


The E65 hasn't been on the market nearly long enough to influence the styling of anything. All of the cars being introduced now were locked in long before the first E65s hit the streets.

American vehicle styling has been "distinctive" in fits and starts for twenty years now, when the 1983 Thunderbird broke new ground in "aerodynamic" styling. The Taurus continued that trend in 1986,* paving the way for several years of Ford styling leadership under Jack Telnack and his successors.

When Ford lost its way in the mid-90s, Chrysler had already picked up the torch. The "cab forward" look was both innovative and bold, and Chrysler cars immediately pre-dating the DC "merger" were some of the nicest looking (if not nicest driving) cars on the road.

GM has had a longer drought, but even the General is starting to show signs of life. The Art & Science stealth fighter look is awkward on the CTS, but fits both the SRX and the XLR very well. The Sixteen shows that this look, under Lutz, has the potential to evolve into something that is both forward looking yet evocative of the past (without being slavishly "heritage" like Ford's current designs).

American cars have some issues, but they need not look to Bangle for styling inspiration.












*The Taurus, too, was locked in before the Audi 5000 hit the road, and in any event the Sable and Taurus really took the look a lot farther than the rather conservative Audi, which was streamlined mainly in the details rather than the overall inspiration.

Sean
09-29-2003, 08:54 PM
I'm so glad that this has become a We love Bangle, he's da man thread. :flipoff:

Mr. Bimmer
09-29-2003, 09:10 PM
I'm so glad that this has become a We love Bangle, he's da man thread. :flipoff:

Well...it started as an I Hate Bangle and His Designs Judging From This Picture Followed By a Puke Smilie thead.

Sean
09-29-2003, 10:06 PM
Well...it started as an I Hate Bangle and His Designs Judging From This Picture Followed By a Puke Smilie thead.


You got that right! :thumbup: Very observant.

Mr. Bimmer
09-29-2003, 10:25 PM
You got that right! :thumbup: Very observant.

:D

Beowoulf
10-01-2003, 02:13 AM
The new designs don't look too bad.

















As long as you are standing a 1/4 mile away.

gp330
10-01-2003, 11:11 PM
Not diggin the new designs myself. I'll wait to wee the new 3 and 4 series designs to really tell though.

Automobile magazine said the new 6-series looks (sadly) like a "bloated Pontiac Sunfire".

I am a die-hard BMW fan but they are right. If you look close enough it looks like they are chasing Pontiac in the styling dept. The new rear of the 7, 6, 5 all look like Pontiacs. And the 6 front definitely looks like the Sunfire and new Grand Prix.

Not cool.

gp330
10-01-2003, 11:16 PM
Typo = see

...but as Triumph the Insult Comic Dog would say...I will look at them and say, "Nice designs...For Me To Poop (and wee) On!"