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zhangqj
10-01-2003, 06:50 PM
The brand new bmwusa.com site lists 545i now with "build your 545i" function, which incidentally doesn't work properly when building package and options. For example, click building 545i 6-speed and select navigation, an $1,800 option becomes -$1. :eek: :dunno: One would assume bmwusa would at least test the site before showing off to the world.

My question is really that the price of 545i auto with sports package = price of 545i 6-speed = 54300+695+3300.

So why in any other BMWs, where automatic trannies cost some $1,200 more, except in 545i where it doesn't cost anything over a manual transmission?

What does 545i 6-speed have more than 545i+sports package?

bmw325
10-01-2003, 06:54 PM
That sounds sort of consistent. With the e39-- the auto was standard on the 540, and the 6 speed manual acutally cost more.

zhangqj
10-01-2003, 06:58 PM
That sounds sort of consistent. With the e39-- the auto was standard on the 540, and the 6 speed manual acutally cost more.

E39 540i auto+sports package costs about $100 more than 540i 6-speed. So similar story, but why?

bmw325
10-01-2003, 07:01 PM
E39 540i auto+sports package costs about $100 more than 540i 6-speed. So similar story, but why?

My guess is that at that price point people in the US expect an automatic to be standard. BMW offers the 6 speed "to throw a bone" to the few enthusiasts who will actually order it.

Nick325xiT 5spd
10-01-2003, 07:01 PM
Because only a few people want a manual 545, and those few who do get raped. It beats the hell out of no 545.

nate
10-01-2003, 08:55 PM
My guess is that at that price point people in the US expect an automatic to be standard. BMW offers the 6 speed "to throw a bone" to the few enthusiasts who will actually order it.
Or maybe because the market will bear a higher cost for manuals, especially because there is NO competition. (save upcoming CTS-V)

Anyway, I see a LOT of non-SP manual E46s, probably not throwing them a bone...

bmw325
10-01-2003, 09:01 PM
Or maybe because the market will bear a higher cost for manuals, especially because there is NO competition. (save upcoming CTS-V)

Anyway, I see a LOT of non-SP manual E46s, probably not throwing them a bone...

I think at the 545 price point, the market will indded tolerate spending the same or more for the manual to get a "special car". I don't buyers in the e46 price range would tolerate it-- and there is lots more competition w/ manuals.

zhangqj
10-01-2003, 09:44 PM
I think at the 545 price point, the market will indded tolerate spending the same or more for the manual to get a "special car". I don't buyers in the e46 price range would tolerate it-- and there is lots more competition w/ manuals.

All along, I have thought the manual 540i is sportier. :bawling:

It seems that people who enjoy rowing their own gears and can afford 545 price get sucker punched. Incidentally 545i fake-manual adds no additional cost over a manual, so maybe the 545i fake-manual is the best value (in terms of $$ / equipment)?

bmw325
10-01-2003, 09:46 PM
All along, I have thought the manual 540i is sportier. :bawling:

It seems that people who enjoy rowing their own gears and can afford 545 price get sucker punched. Incidentally 545i fake-manual adds no additional cost over a manual, so maybe the 545i fake-manual is the best value (in terms of $$ / equipment)?

Well- the "Fake manual" is really just an automatic. If you want a manual get the manual. For the driving experience, I think its actually worth more than an automatic. Yes, I would acutally pay more (if necessary) to get a manual. If you're concend about "good value" you probably shouldn't be looking at a 545 in the first place. :)

zhangqj
10-01-2003, 10:11 PM
Well- the "Fake manual" is really just an automatic. If you want a manual get the manual. For the driving experience, I think its actually worth more than an automatic. Yes, I would acutally pay more (if necessary) to get a manual. If you're concend about "good value" you probably shouldn't be looking at a 545 in the first place. :)

Actually I beg to differ. If I am interested in a 5, the best value IMO is a 545. Let's compare, at MSRP

530+step+pp+sp+nav+xexon=$54,570
545+step+nav=$56,795
delta=$2,225

530+6-speed+pp+sp+nav+xexon=$53,295
545+6-speed+nav=$56,795
delta=$3,500

Comparing to E39, the deltas are much smaller for E60.

zhangqj
10-01-2003, 10:54 PM
530+step+pp+sp+nav+xexon=$54,570
545+step+nav=$56,795
delta=$2,225

530+6-speed+pp+sp+nav+xexon=$53,295
545+6-speed+nav=$56,795
delta=$3,500



Somehow my own numbers from bmwusa "build your bmw" isn't correct, it should be
545+step+sports+nav=545+6-speed+nav=$60,095.

The two deltas are then $5,525 and $6,800, still showing 545 a better value comparing to E39.

Ågent99
10-02-2003, 09:15 AM
Somehow my own numbers from bmwusa "build your bmw" isn't correct, it should be
545+step+sports+nav=545+6-speed+nav=$60,095.

The two deltas are then $5,525 and $6,800, still showing 545 a better value comparing to E39.

But the base cost of a 530 vs. 540 (E39) is lower. Your deltas may be correct but the E60 starts at a higher cost to begin with. However, it is tough to compare costs of E39 vs. E60...they are different cars.

My 2001 530i+5sp+sp+pp+xenon+nav+other=49,870 or so. The e60 530i plus similar items is about 4k higher.

So getting back to "best value" in terms of deltas, I would say you are correct as a 2001 540i similarly equipped to my 530i goes for around 8-10 k more as I recall.

I guess we have no lux. tax any more, correct?

Also, the V8's get a gas guzzler tax or no? The I6 does not if the tax is still around. You have to toss that into the equation as well.

Finally, I believe the insurance rates will be higher for V8 over I6.

katheikia
08-31-2005, 04:41 PM
Smg Is In No Way A Fake Manual, Steptronic Yes, But If You Have Ever Driven Smg, You Would Realize That It Is Geared Up As A Manual, + Shifts Gears Much Quicker Than 99% Of Us, Just Look At All The Formula One Racers. Driving Is Believing (not Just A Short Test Drive)

Ågent99
09-01-2005, 09:37 AM
katheikia,

realize the age of the thread you just posted to! :)

katheikia
09-01-2005, 04:01 PM
oops didnt look at that, i just hate mis-information :eek:

be-em-veh-808
09-12-2005, 10:59 AM
I think the better questions to ask is:

"Why DOES BMW charge $1200 for auto on 525s and 530s?"
At those prices, one would expect auto or manual to be a standard option.

My $.02.




The brand new bmwusa.com site lists 545i now with "build your 545i" function, which incidentally doesn't work properly when building package and options. For example, click building 545i 6-speed and select navigation, an $1,800 option becomes -$1. :eek: :dunno: One would assume bmwusa would at least test the site before showing off to the world.

My question is really that the price of 545i auto with sports package = price of 545i 6-speed = 54300+695+3300.

So why in any other BMWs, where automatic trannies cost some $1,200 more, except in 545i where it doesn't cost anything over a manual transmission?

What does 545i 6-speed have more than 545i+sports package?