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Alex Baumann
10-10-2003, 06:52 AM
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rost12
10-10-2003, 07:21 AM
me not like that car at all :confused:

Alex Baumann
10-10-2003, 07:45 AM
me not like that car at all :confused:

You know what ? I fear that we'll see that front on the E90 :cry:

SARAFIL
10-10-2003, 10:32 AM
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So that is what Flamenco Red looks like...

I don't know if it's a good thing or a bad thing, but there'll be one of those in our garage in a few years, likely in that same exact combo.

Well, I never said I would be the one driving it!

Mr. The Edge
10-10-2003, 10:36 AM
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wow--that looks like a LOT of cargo space!

looks great!


hmmm---MINI + Elise + X3?

SARAFIL
10-10-2003, 10:38 AM
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wow--that looks like a LOT of cargo space!

looks great!


hmmm---MINI + Elise + X3?

At least alot more space than the X5 inside. And despite what most would think, this "3" is only inches smaller in each dimension than its "5" sibling.

Your new car scenario sounds kind of interesting!

LeucX3
10-10-2003, 10:44 AM
Now that I see it in red, i'm not too sure i like it anymore (as i had in the past). Is it me or does it seem like a good design was thrown into a blender and what came out was in front and rear ends?

:cry:

RCK
10-10-2003, 10:53 AM
Looks nice....I'd buy it :thumbup:

Anyone know the base msrp? :dunno:

Kaz
10-10-2003, 11:50 AM
Looks like BMW may have learned a little something from the small cargo space on the X5. This actually does look larger than my car, though of course I'll have to see one in person. I gotta say that this red isn't doing it any favors. Makes it look cheap like a Ford Escape and/or a minivan (a'la MB M-class). And what's up with the lighting/exposure in the shots? Looks like they were taken outside today (we're having lousy weather in LA today).

mbr129
10-10-2003, 11:57 AM
It does look incredibly roomy. I agree about the color. The only color combo I could stand would be black with black interior. At least it would hide the contrasting cargo carpet and all the cheap plasti in the front. But certainly good to see they actually tried to get some utility out of the X3.

Melissa
10-10-2003, 12:12 PM
I like the red.

And please don't spaz on me anyone, but this might be my ticket to staying "in the family" should we transfer to Alaska. We need something to haul a trailer with two motorcycles, plus have plenty of cargo space, 4wd and not a wagon (at least I'm pretty sure my husband would boo one).

beware_phog
10-10-2003, 01:32 PM
Why is the back grey? I don't see how this car won't take sales from the X5. Same car.

scottn2retro
10-10-2003, 01:39 PM
Hmmm . . . . interesting. I've been contemplating options of what BMW to perhaps replace the mini-van with. It would need to have more space than the X5 but be able to pull something. I was thinking an e39 wagon maybe. This might be a good choice.

But I don't know anything about the towing capability of 5 series wagon. Anybody have any idea what this could pull?

Mr. The Edge
10-10-2003, 01:44 PM
Hmmm . . . . interesting. I've been contemplating options of what BMW to perhaps replace the mini-van with. It would need to have more space than the X5 but be able to pull something. I was thinking an e39 wagon maybe. This might be a good choice.

But I don't know anything about the towing capability of 5 series wagon. Anybody have any idea what this could pull?
shafer might know best

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28243

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29100

nowonder
10-10-2003, 02:49 PM
I kinda like the black and tan interior.

reminds me of :drink:

--nw

scottn2retro
10-14-2003, 03:13 PM
Found out the e39 wagon would probably be no bueno.

Are there any projected specs out there for this thing yet?

Kaz
10-14-2003, 03:24 PM
Found out the e39 wagon would probably be no bueno.

Are there any projected specs out there for this thing yet?

Why? There are still plenty around.

I picked up a preliminary X3 brochure at the dealer. If you ask, they should have one to give.

Emission
10-14-2003, 03:31 PM
I like it.

I also like the gray cargo hold with the tan interior. Smart.

Kaz
10-14-2003, 03:35 PM
I also like the gray cargo hold with the tan interior. Smart.

I hate the mishmash of colors, but I really thought the Sand cargo area on sand interior E46 Tourings was just asking for a mess (and one of the reasons I got black).

uter
10-14-2003, 03:50 PM
Well,
There's good precedent for tan/brown leather and black carpet in the back. It's worked well on the 325xit. I'm a little jealous of that 3.0 liter, though. :yumyum:

Emission
10-14-2003, 03:51 PM
RE: The design of the X3

I recently had a long discussion over breakfast with a Vice President from Nissan North America about BMW and their more recent (Bangle) designs...

In a nutshell, he said he LIKED the direction BMW was going. BMW had to make changes to stay competitive in the market, and unique designs (even if you don't like them) keep customers happy (and coming back). If they (BMW) kept making new models based on old designs... their look would become dated and boring. According to him, BMW had to go with "Bangle" designs as the market demands it.

scottn2retro
10-14-2003, 05:09 PM
Why? There are still plenty around.

I picked up a preliminary X3 brochure at the dealer. If you ask, they should have one to give.

Talking to Jon, he would be really worried about pulling a car with an e39.

Doh! I was at Irvine BMW yesterday. Can you bring your brochure on Sat.? When are they scheduled to be for sale here?

Kaz
10-14-2003, 05:12 PM
Talking to Jon, he would be really worried about pulling a car with an e39.


You wanna tow a car? I doubt you could do that in a X5 safely, let alone a X3.

scottn2retro
10-14-2003, 05:17 PM
You wanna tow a car? I doubt you could do that in a X5 safely, let alone a X3.

Somebody (DougDogs?) posted once about pulling a pretty good size boat with an X5. Jon said his X5 was a SOLID tow vehicle.
I don't think I'd try it with one of those big enclosed trailers, but maybe a lightweight open trailer. :dunno:

Kaz
10-14-2003, 05:25 PM
Somebody (DougDogs?) posted once about pulling a pretty good size boat with an X5. Jon said his X5 was a SOLID tow vehicle.
I don't think I'd try it with one of those big enclosed trailers, but maybe a lightweight open trailer. :dunno:

It appears the X5's towing caps are 5000 and 6000lb for 3.0 and 4.4 respectively. I believe one of the problems is that allowable tongue weight is quite low (well under 1000lb) which makes sense for a unibody vehicle. A light open trailer, car, and not too many parts/tools, and not climbing too many hills would probably work.

Emission
10-14-2003, 06:14 PM
It appears the X5's towing caps are 5000 and 6000lb for 3.0 and 4.4 respectively. I believe one of the problems is that allowable tongue weight is quite low (well under 1000lb) which makes sense for a unibody vehicle. A light open trailer, car, and not too many parts/tools, and not climbing too many hills would probably work.

Towing is so much more than advertised (or rated) capacity.

My good friend bought a Discovery II as a tow vehicle for a trailer (camper). It sucked, and was all over the road. He traded it in for a Suburban within a few months. The Disco was just too narrow and tall (with a short wheelbase) to tow with stability.

The X5 has a wide stance, with a nice wheelbase (in relationship). I am betting it tows just fine.

scottn2retro
10-15-2003, 09:52 AM
Towing is so much more than advertised (or rated) capacity.

Good point - I guess they would factor in some margin for people that just can't stay within the guidelines. So how much do you think it can really tow? :eeps: :D

beware_phog
10-22-2003, 08:52 PM
Anyone posted capacity on X3, X5, 530 yet?

scottn2retro
10-23-2003, 09:08 AM
Anyone posted capacity on X3, X5, 530 yet?

Kaz has posted what I believe are the correct towing capacities for the X5.

IIRC, the e-mail from Jon on the e39 525 was something like 2500 lbs. or something in that neighborhood with a pretty low tongue weight.

FireFly
10-30-2003, 07:45 AM
Anyone posted capacity on X3, X5, 530 yet?

Towing capacity for 3.0 X3 is 4600# - that's pretty darn good compared to other foreign SUV's in the same price category like Lexus, Higlander, Infinity...

CascadeTelcom
10-31-2003, 09:12 PM
Could be a camera distortion though. Do you guys have specs on interior dimension on this thing yet?
I have a 60 page European brochure with "technical specifications" that lists the luggage compartment capacity at: 480-1560 ltr. It comes in 10 exterior colours, 10 interior upholstery colours including cloth, leather and four interior trim options. Has anyone seen a pricing matrix?

tgravo2
11-01-2003, 10:54 PM
pretty cool

JetBlack330i
11-02-2003, 08:31 AM
Why is the back grey? I don't see how this car won't take sales from the X5. Same car.
I rules out the X5 since it's introduction. It's too big outside and not big enough inside.
I'm very tempted by the X3.
In my case, BMW is ofering something that may keep me from going to Acura or MB, for example.

beware_phog
11-02-2003, 12:54 PM
I rules out the X5 since it's introduction. It's too big outside and not big enough inside.
I'm very tempted by the X3.
In my case, BMW is ofering something that may keep me from going to Acura or MB, for example.

Plus the X5 price for what you get. But people like 'em. So now I can consider an X3 instead of a five and same 10 grand

Tominizer
11-11-2003, 11:06 AM
I saw somewhere that the X3 performance is better then the X5 3.0i and the X3 is cheaper, bigger inside, etc, etc. Well, I guess that just may tank the X5 3.0i, especially on the used market, unless the X5 is offering something that the X3 can't touch.............. but haven't seen what that may be. I think that the X3 sales will hurt badly the X5 3.0 sales such that it will be eliminated........... unless it turns into a 3.0 diesel !!!

Emission
11-11-2003, 01:33 PM
I saw somewhere that the X3 performance is better then the X5 3.0i and the X3 is cheaper, bigger inside, etc, etc. Well, I guess that just may tank the X5 3.0i, especially on the used market, unless the X5 is offering something that the X3 can't touch.............. but haven't seen what that may be. I think that the X3 sales will hurt badly the X5 3.0 sales such that it will be eliminated........... unless it turns into a 3.0 diesel !!!

Yes, the X3 will perform better with the same engine, and yes, it will be less expensive. It will also be less luxurious, and have less room inside (you'll see).

The X5 has nothing to worry about. Nothing.

SARAFIL
11-11-2003, 03:44 PM
Yes, the X3 will perform better with the same engine, and yes, it will be less expensive. It will also be less luxurious, and have less room inside (you'll see).

The X5 has nothing to worry about. Nothing.

Exactly. The 328 never hurt the 528, the 330 never hurt the 530, the 540 never hurt the 740. Some people will comparison shop the two, but many will go in already with the idea that they want an X3 or an X5.

beware_phog
11-11-2003, 08:18 PM
Exactly. The 328 never hurt the 528, the 330 never hurt the 530, the 540 never hurt the 740. Some people will comparison shop the two, but many will go in already with the idea that they want an X3 or an X5.

I was going in with the idea of buying a 530 or X5....but now I am probably going with the x3 because it is cheaper and the room is the same. Cheaper interior? Right. One could argue that the 3-series has a nicer interior than anything on the five level.

With all due respect, I disagree. The x5 HAS to get bigger.

Emission
11-12-2003, 01:49 AM
Cheaper interior? Right. One could argue that the 3-series has a nicer interior than anything on the five level.

With all due respect, I disagree. The x5 HAS to get bigger.

I never said cheaper. I said less luxurious.

The 5-series has a better interior than any 3-series. Hands down.

The X5 is perfect for what it is designed for. It doesn't have to get bigger. It is an SAV, not SUV. It doesn't need the utility or capacity to compete. It really doesn't.

LmtdSlip
11-12-2003, 08:43 AM
Accoriding to BMW the X3 is only rated to tow 3500 pounds.

Plenty for motorcycles but not enough for a car.

LmtdSlip
11-12-2003, 08:46 AM
Exactly. The 328 never hurt the 528, the 330 never hurt the 530, the 540 never hurt the 740. Some people will comparison shop the two, but many will go in already with the idea that they want an X3 or an X5.

Usually that is a function of the buyer's budget rather than what they would truely select if price were not an issue.

beware_phog
11-12-2003, 03:55 PM
Usually that is a function of the buyer's budget rather than what they would truely select if price were not an issue.

And in my case, I was going in looking at the 5-series because I thought the lack of space in the X5 was too small for the price.....so am now on the X3 because price is less and space is comparable.

Everyone has a unique situation but I still think the X3 steals from the X5.

CascadeTelcom
11-13-2003, 10:40 PM
I have tried to visualize the X3 with painted bumpers and fender trim, do U think it is feasible and what it would cost?

bmw325
11-13-2003, 11:46 PM
I have tried to visualize the X3 with painted bumpers and fender trim, do U think it is feasible and what it would cost?

don't know- but I bet they start painting them within a year. European manufacturers have, at various times, tried to introduce the idea of unpainted bumpers to the US-- and they seem to generally realize it was a bad idea with a short period of time. Some examples that come to mind:
-92 e36 (they started painting the bumpers the following year)
-Audi A6 (actually never made it to the states w/ its original black bumpers)
-original Saab 9000 (started painting them in 94)

OTOH, unpainted bumpers are sort of become "the thing" on hybrid SUVs- and cross-overs like the Audi Allroad, Volvo XC70. So maybe they're here to stay. Its supposed to be more "rugged".

I agree with you-- they don't look good. I'd guess it would cost about $1k to have them painted. Somehow the overall look of the x3 makes the unpainted bumpers look particularly cheap.

KatanaPilot
11-14-2003, 02:13 AM
If I were to get a X3, I would definitely get the bumpers painted.
To get an idea of what a painted bumper looks like, just find a picture of the xActivity. I think its front end looks so much better than the unpainted bumpers on the X3.

FireFly
11-14-2003, 07:46 AM
I have tried to visualize the X3 with painted bumpers and fender trim, do U think it is feasible and what it would cost?


Someone posted a picture of the X3 with painted bumpers. It was silver/gray color and looked great. If I find it, I'll post a link. I think it was on roadfly...

Mr. The Edge
11-17-2003, 11:18 AM
I have tried to visualize the X3 with painted bumpers and fender trim, do U think it is feasible and what it would cost?
:eek:

http://www.arch2design.de/BMWX3/X3-Aero3.jpg

SARAFIL
11-17-2003, 08:28 PM
:eek:



I think that looks horrible, just like I think an E46 sedan with painted trim looks horrible. They do things the way they do for a reason. This looks pathetic, and ruins an otherwise nice looking vehicle.

FireFly
11-17-2003, 09:01 PM
Nice clean look

CascadeTelcom
11-17-2003, 09:23 PM
:eek:

http://www.arch2design.de/BMWX3/X3-Aero3.jpg
Class, is this a factory option and can it be ordered in the USA?

Technic
11-18-2003, 09:06 AM
Class, is this a factory option and can it be ordered in the USA?

It looks that it will be a dealer accessory, if the M Technic II kit for the E46 is any indication... although the first year of the E46 the M Technic I (the one that the current 330i have standard in the Sport Package) was offered as a separate factory option for a very limited time.

LmtdSlip
11-18-2003, 09:40 AM
Now the question is when will BMW partner with a reputable bike manufacturer and offer a decent bike vs the POS that is mounted to that X.