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Capobranco
01-02-2011, 08:08 PM
http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews/driven/1004_bmw_550i_gran_turismo_vs_porsche_panamera_s/index.html

I chose my BMW 550i GT over a Porsche Panamera and Panamera S. I have attached a recent article from Automobile Magazine that I did not see before purchasing. Frankly, I am surprised, and very pleased, by their conclusions. I thought both cars were engaging dynamically but aesthetically I thought that the GT showcased BMW design language in a manner that was fresher and more original than the Porsche, which I considered very derivative. The Porsche in any configuration placed more emphasis on being a sports car and the BMW had more the feel of a seven series gran turismo. What I gave up dynamically I made up in comfort, capacity, and long distance touring capability. These were all contributing elements, but the critical deciding factor that swayed my purchase to the BMW was the 550i***8217;s 400 hp ***8211; 450 lbs-ft of torque when combined with a sport pack and 20-inch wheels mitigated the Porsche***8217;s advantage. Independent of cost, I concluded, as Automobile Mag concluded, that the BMW was the better overall choice. Considering cost further reaffirmed the conclusion - the Panamera V6 is about $82K to $90K and the Panamera S with options is over $100K.

The BMW GT is a unique car ***8211; I suspect we all got here via very different routes.
What cars did you test/cross-shop and what was compelling about the BMW GT?

dogguyX3
01-04-2011, 09:01 PM
When the time comes to trade my X3, I want to take a look at the GT.
I was always thinking I would move into the X5.
Your comments make me even more curious.
Who else in here can tell me what are the other "contestants"
that vied for your GT crown?

Capobranco
01-07-2011, 01:11 PM
When the time comes to trade my X3, I want to take a look at the GT.
I was always thinking I would move into the X5.
Your comments make me even more curious.
Who else in here can tell me what are the other "contestants"
that vied for your GT crown?

Sorry there are no responses. I find the question interesting. I would have anticipated a rather diverse cross shopping list that included traditional luxury cars, sporting GT types, coupes, hatchbacks and SUVs. You’re coming to the 550i GT from a sporty SUV, my last car was a 335i vet. Although I have had in the past a fascination for wagons, most of my past cars have been sports/GT cars. The 550i GT is a really unique car that I find engaging both aesthetically and dynamically.

car-fan
01-08-2011, 10:18 PM
http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews/driven/1004_bmw_550i_gran_turismo_vs_porsche_panamera_s/index.html

I chose my BMW 550i GT over a Porsche Panamera and Panamera S. I have attached a recent article from Automobile Magazine that I did not see before purchasing. Frankly, I am surprised, and very pleased, by their conclusions. I thought both cars were engaging dynamically but aesthetically I thought that the GT showcased BMW design language in a manner that was fresher and more original than the Porsche, which I considered very derivative. The Porsche in any configuration placed more emphasis on being a sports car and the BMW had more the feel of a seven series gran turismo. What I gave up dynamically I made up in comfort, capacity, and long distance touring capability. These were all contributing elements, but the critical deciding factor that swayed my purchase to the BMW was the 550i's 400 hp ***8211; 450 lbs-ft of torque when combined with a sport pack and 20-inch wheels mitigated the Porsche's advantage. Independent of cost, I concluded, as Automobile Mag concluded, that the BMW was the better overall choice. Considering cost further reaffirmed the conclusion - the Panamera V6 is about $82K to $90K and the Panamera S with options is over $100K.

The BMW GT is a unique car ***8211; I suspect we all got here via very different routes.
What cars did you test/cross-shop and what was compelling about the BMW GT?


The car that I traded in on the GT was a 2010 Audi Q5 Sline/Prestige. I bought the
Audi because I wanted something with ground clearance and room. Ironically enough when I saw the GT at the Miami car show in person, and realized it was a actually a "7" with a hatch I knew I wanted it. The Audi on the other hand did not offer the outright room I needed. In short I made a deal, ordered my GT, and traded the Audi. I paid 50k for that Audi, kept it for 5 months and put 10K on the odo, got 45k on trade for the GT. For truck duty I bought a fullsize SUV to replace it.

I did drive the Panamera S and Panamera 4S at Porsche event. We were able to drive solo around a closed slalom course and with an instructor. I have also driven the new Cayenne Turbo. Bottom line the Panamera may be a bit sportier, but the outright luxury crown goes to the GT. I did not get it twisted I never expected the GT to handle like a 3 series, I was actually enamored at the fact that I was getting basically a full size German Luxury sedan with performance. What in this class offers the room and utility? 750li yes, minus the utiility. Panamera nope, S Class (don't care for it, also minus the utility) so no there as well. What's left the Rapide - you got to be kidding I almost need the jaws of life to get out of the back seat of one. Nice car and all but those extra two doors are not convenient for anyone over 6 feet.

So there you have it, the GT is a force of 1. And if someone brings up the F11 5 Series (wagon), its very nice as well. That car may (arguably) have a slight bit more cargo space, due to the limitations of the sloping rear roof of the GT, but it does not offer the comfort or interior passenger space. The GT is a bargain it's not meant for the main stream, but for those who realize the merits of the car on its own will be pleased IMHO ;)

Capobranco
01-10-2011, 08:52 PM
The car that I traded in on the GT was a 2010 Audi Q5 Sline/Prestige. I bought the
Audi because I wanted something with ground clearance and room. Ironically enough when I saw the GT at the Miami car show in person, and realized it was a actually a "7" with a hatch I knew I wanted it. The Audi on the other hand did not offer the outright room I needed. In short I made a deal, ordered my GT, and traded the Audi. I paid 50k for that Audi, kept it for 5 months and put 10K on the odo, got 45k on trade for the GT. For truck duty I bought a fullsize SUV to replace it.

I did drive the Panamera S and Panamera 4S at Porsche event. We were able to drive solo around a closed slalom course and with an instructor. I have also driven the new Cayenne Turbo. Bottom line the Panamera may be a bit sportier, but the outright luxury crown goes to the GT. I did not get it twisted I never expected the GT to handle like a 3 series, I was actually enamored at the fact that I was getting basically a full size German Luxury sedan with performance. What in this class offers the room and utility? 750li yes, minus the utiility. Panamera nope, S Class (don't care for it, also minus the utility) so no there as well. What's left the Rapide - you got to be kidding I almost need the jaws of life to get out of the back seat of one. Nice car and all but those extra two doors are not convenient for anyone over 6 feet.

So there you have it, the GT is a force of 1. And if someone brings up the F11 5 Series (wagon), its very nice as well. That car may (arguably) have a slight bit more cargo space, due to the limitations of the sloping rear roof of the GT, but it does not offer the comfort or interior passenger space. The GT is a bargain it's not meant for the main stream, but for those who realize the merits of the car on its own will be pleased IMHO ;)

A force of one – well-said - the GT is a unique blend of utility, comfort, luxury and performance. Given my original hostility to the car when it was introduced I still cannot quite believe that I actually purchased a 550i GT. When I went to the BMW dealer, I thought I was only going through the motions – I knew I was purchasing a Panamera. I was struck by the original styling of the BMW that conveyed robust athleticism and functionality. The interior was not only elegant but also supremely comfortable for four. The power and responsiveness of the car was surprising and fun – long difficult drives are effortless. The GT possesses a presence that immediately communicates that this is a special BMW.

I agree that the GT is a bargain and not for the main stream. I loved both my 525iT and my 911 Turbo - drove each of them more than 100,000 miles - I think BMW was reading my mind when they built the GT.

magnumforc
02-22-2011, 10:00 PM
I bought and sold a new 2010 Cadillac CTS Sport Wagon to get the GT. While the Sport Wagon has really wild looks and curb appeal (nothing looks like it and the tail lights are, well, awesome) it's never going to be a BMW. The ride is really inferior and the handling, while superior to most any other American built car I've driven lately, just isn't BMW class. If you want to smoke tires, the V wagon will do that all day and blow the doors off the GT. In fact, the 3.6 wagon will stay with the 535iGT too. But again, put them both in a driving contest and the BMW wins.

It's tough to stay neutral when you love not only cars, but what they bring to your every day driving pleasure.

car-fan
02-23-2011, 08:52 PM
I bought and sold a new 2010 Cadillac CTS Sport Wagon to get the GT. While the Sport Wagon has really wild looks and curb appeal (nothing looks like it and the tail lights are, well, awesome) it's never going to be a BMW. The ride is really inferior and the handling, while superior to most any other American built car I've driven lately, just isn't BMW class. If you want to smoke tires, the V wagon will do that all day and blow the doors off the GT. In fact, the 3.6 wagon will stay with the 535iGT too. But again, put them both in a driving contest and the BMW wins.

It's tough to stay neutral when you love not only cars, but what they bring to your every day driving pleasure.


Was it the driving experience only - BMW vs. CTS - that made prompted you to make the switch? i have driven the CTS-V2 a few times and came close to getting one. I may still get a sedan or wagon sometime in the future for the missus. Ever since I got my GT tuned I don't necessarily have that burning desire to make the jump ;) However, when/if I do decide It would NOT be in place of the GT, but in addition to. I grew up with Cadillacs and a fan I remain.

magnumforc
02-23-2011, 09:14 PM
Driving experience PLUS crappy customer service from the Great Mutation. For example, the nav system was so far out of date at purchase yet GM wanted $2poo to update it and I had to jump through hoops to finally get a new disc. The nav booklet was missing from the owners pack and they wanted to charge $25 for a replacement...Cadillac stated they do not replace missing materials and the dealer was useless.

I found that Cadillac dealers, unlike BMW. don't really care if they see you again after the sale. Sure, they will service the vehicle, but don't depend on them to fix issues unless you bring the TSB and shove it under their nose. Like the rear end issues with the carbon clutches that makes the rear end shudder and slip all over with the positraction rear. They'll never apply the fix unless you tell them to do it. (factory fill of fluid was wrong and didn't contain enough additive for limited slip axles). I considered what was going to happen down the road with problems if they were this bad at the get-go.

Great looking car, fast, roomy, but seating position on the floor, strange driving position, seat short if you're long legged (seat bottom hits you less than mid thigh) unless you spring for the Recaro Seats which were originally an option (I've heard good and bad about them as well. If they had the 20 way BMW multi-contours like the 535iGT...mmmm). Suspension adjustment sporty and more sporty, no really cruising comfort as in the BMW.

Lots to think of. I suppose if I were to buy a "toy" just to play with, maybe I would have waited for a 2 or three year old when the 25to 35K or more depreciation sits in.

car-fan
02-24-2011, 08:47 AM
Driving experience PLUS crappy customer service from the Great Mutation. For example, the nav system was so far out of date at purchase yet GM wanted $2poo to update it and I had to jump through hoops to finally get a new disc. The nav booklet was missing from the owners pack and they wanted to charge $25 for a replacement...Cadillac stated they do not replace missing materials and the dealer was useless.

I found that Cadillac dealers, unlike BMW. don't really care if they see you again after the sale. Sure, they will service the vehicle, but don't depend on them to fix issues unless you bring the TSB and shove it under their nose. Like the rear end issues with the carbon clutches that makes the rear end shudder and slip all over with the positraction rear. They'll never apply the fix unless you tell them to do it. (factory fill of fluid was wrong and didn't contain enough additive for limited slip axles). I considered what was going to happen down the road with problems if they were this bad at the get-go.

Great looking car, fast, roomy, but seating position on the floor, strange driving position, seat short if you're long legged (seat bottom hits you less than mid thigh) unless you spring for the Recaro Seats which were originally an option (I've heard good and bad about them as well. If they had the 20 way BMW multi-contours like the 535iGT...mmmm). Suspension adjustment sporty and more sporty, no really cruising comfort as in the BMW.

Lots to think of. I suppose if I were to buy a "toy" just to play with, maybe I would have waited for a 2 or three year old when the 25to 35K or more depreciation sits in.

Wow sorry to hear about the lack of customer service - seems to be rampant with many things these days:rolleyes:

About the NAV disk, I had a CPO 2007 Escalade, through Cadillac Forums I found out that owners were entitled to a complimentary Nav Disk update through GM. I called, and found I was eligible, and they sent me a free updated Nav Disk for 2010. I didn't get to use it much as I sold that truck for my 2011 QX. I currently have a 2006 DTS with 26K on the odo. My BMW dealer is also a Cadillac dealer. They took care of me with the Escalade even down to the slightly faded gloss black trim pieces - on a truck with 44k miles.

Re: CTS-V vs GT I knew that the CTS in general didn't have quality levels of the GT. GM has actually decontented a lot of their vehicles my 06 DTS has options that aren't even avaialbe on the 2011 models. Overall they have come a long way, but the issues you have raised with the CTS will cause me to sit on the fence for a while.

Capobranco
02-24-2011, 06:42 PM
Wow sorry to hear about the lack of customer service - seems to be rampant with many things these days:rolleyes:

About the NAV disk, I had a CPO 2007 Escalade, through Cadillac Forums I found out that owners were entitled to a complimentary Nav Disk update through GM. I called, and found I was eligible, and they sent me a free updated Nav Disk for 2010. I didn't get to use it much as I sold that truck for my 2011 QX. I currently have a 2006 DTS with 26K on the odo. My BMW dealer is also a Cadillac dealer. They took care of me with the Escalade even down to the slightly faded gloss black trim pieces - on a truck with 44k miles.

Re: CTS-V vs GT I knew that the CTS in general didn't have quality levels of the GT. GM has actually decontented a lot of their vehicles my 06 DTS has options that aren't even avaialbe on the 2011 models. Overall they have come a long way, but the issues you have raised with the CTS will cause me to sit on the fence for a while.

I am intrigued by the CTS-V...what's not to like? However, my family owned a number of Cadillacs through the years and they were consistently abused by the dealership. I consider our local Cadillac dealer to be an especially bottom dwelling low life. Maybe things have changed at my local Cadillac store, but I am not going to experiment with $75K, and maybe be a victim. The luxury car "experience" is an important factor in my car buying equation.

car-fan
02-24-2011, 07:08 PM
I am intrigued by the CTS-V...what's not to like? However, my family owned a number of Cadillacs through the years and they were consistently abused by the dealership. I consider our local Cadillac dealer to be an especially bottom dwelling low life. Maybe things have changed at my local Cadillac store, but I am not going to experiment with $75K, and maybe be a victim. The luxury car "experience" is an important factor in my car buying equation.

+1 on that:thumbup:

magnumforc
02-24-2011, 09:21 PM
Absolutely. If you're getting my money, I want the whole "enchilada" not just the plate. GM hasn't learned much in the way of customer service out here. Interestingly enough, my last GM experience was with a 2005 GTO. Found the Chevy dealer was more eager to service it than the Pontiac dealer. In any case, I love opening the garage door and looking at the GT's. Just wish the garage was bigger...or the wallet was fatter...uhh...both!

car-fan
02-25-2011, 07:42 AM
Absolutely. If you're getting my money, I want the whole "enchilada" not just the plate. GM hasn't learned much in the way of customer service out here. Interestingly enough, my last GM experience was with a 2005 GTO. Found the Chevy dealer was more eager to service it than the Pontiac dealer. In any case, I love opening the garage door and looking at the GT's. Just wish the garage was bigger...or the wallet was fatter...uhh...both!

Not to mention the GT is still relatively rare. In my building within the last 4 months (3) F10 535's have appeared in the parking garage on floors 3, 4, & 5 all the same color, with sports package. I don't believe these folks know each other. Kind of reminds me of the Audi commercial depicting a parking lot full of Lexus RX's in the same color - with the owner of an RX being completely lost on the location of her car.

I love the F10, however, if I were to ever get one it would have to be an Msport, or an M5.

Capobranco
02-25-2011, 08:13 AM
Not to mention the GT is still relatively rare. In my building within the last 4 months (3) F10 535's have appeared in the parking garage on floors 3, 4, & 5 all the same color, with sports package. I don't believe these folks know each other. Kind of reminds me of the Audi commercial depicting a parking lot full of Lexus RX's in the same color - with the owner of an RX being completely lost on the location of her car.

I love the F10, however, if I were to ever get one it would have to be an Msport, or an M5.

+1 :thumbup:

I too like the 550i but I find the car's styling is so restrained that it is almost anonymous. In my 'hood I see many 550is and Panameras but have seen only one other 550i GT. Although the 550i GT drives "small" - its road presence is large. Most people think it is considerably more expensive than it is. I enjoy driving what is essentially a 7 series exotic.

car-fan
02-25-2011, 04:20 PM
+1 :thumbup:

I too like the 550i but I find the car's styling is so restrained that it is almost anonymous. In my 'hood I see many 550is and Panameras but have seen only one other 550i GT. Although the 550i GT drives "small" - its road presence is large. Most people think it is considerably more expensive than it is. I enjoy driving what is essentially a 7 series exotic.

Yeah most people think its like about 100k in reality I wasn't too far off:rolleyes: But as you know the same options on a 7 would have put us well north of that magic number. I think the fact that the new F10 is heavy in the loaner fleets also increases its visability, You won't be mistaking a GT for anything else- well the uninitiated may think its some sort of X6. Speaking of which I hear the X6 will now be offered with a 3 place rear seating option.:confused:

Capobranco
02-25-2011, 04:43 PM
Yeah most people think its like about 100k in reality I wasn't too far off:rolleyes: But as you know the same options on a 7 would have put us well north of that magic number. I think the fact that the new F10 is heavy in the loaner fleets also increases its visability, You won't be mistaking a GT for anything else- well the uninitiated may think its some sort of X6. Speaking of which I hear the X6 will now be offered with a 3 place rear seating option.:confused:

Yep - many people remark that my car cost over $100K. Looking at the stats in your signature, I thought you were close to that number - your car looks its money, which is frequently not the case with many luxury cars today. Moreover, I am sure you have the pride of owning perhaps one of the nicest 5 GTs in NA - and you can invite your family for the ride, and everyone gets luxury accommodations! My car is far more basic but coming from a 335i vert, the 550i GT experience is sublime - I am still in new car buyers after glow. :cool:

PS. I saw a 5 GT at Pennsylvania Ave. and 19th Streets today - got my attention!

jdubbs
03-01-2011, 04:25 PM
I test-drove several other BMW models, but being a brand-loyalist I did not look much elsewhere. Audis are nice but I'm not a fan of the front grill, and I cannot get past how gaudy the MB interiors have become. I considered the 535i and 550i sedans, the new X3, X5, and X6. Having a large, animated dog who spazzes out on even the shortest of car trips dictated a vehicle with an open cargo area well-removed from the driver's seat (yes, it's that bad), so the 5 sedans were pretty much out from the get-go, but as a previous M5 driver I was still very tempted by them. The 3 wagon was too cramped and lacked much of the fit and finish I've come to expect from BMW. The X5 was tempting, but its height would have required substantial changes to my below-grade San Francisco garage, and its poor gas mileage was a turnoff. The fact that a vehicle as large as the X6 would only seat 4 eliminated it from the running... 3 years with a 4-seater convertible convinced me I needed the flexibility of a 5th seat. I see that a 5-seater option will be available later this year, and that might have changed my decision had it been available sooner.

In the end it came down to the new X3 versus the GT. I liked that the X3 was brand new, much more affordable and had paddle shifters, but I did not like the interior options (both wood grains are blah, and there's still too much vinyl/rubber and not enough leather... plus no ventilated seats, nappa leather, etc. I sat in an early model before they were generally available, and while it was a big improvement over the previous generation, I still wished it had more premium options.

Initially I had problems with the GT's back side, but this was based almost exclusive on photos of it, and once I saw a few in person I realized it had a lot more going for it than many of the online commenters wanted to admit. The interior is in my opinion nicer than any other BMW save the 7 Series, and versatility of the cargo and rear seating area made it an easy choice in the end. No regrets so far!

Capobranco
03-01-2011, 05:56 PM
I test-drove several other BMW models, but being a brand-loyalist I did not look much elsewhere. Audis are nice but I'm not a fan of the front grill, and I cannot get past how gaudy the MB interiors have become. I considered the 535i and 550i sedans, the new X3, X5, and X6. Having a large, animated dog who spazzes out on even the shortest of car trips dictated a vehicle with an open cargo area well-removed from the driver's seat (yes, it's that bad), so the 5 sedans were pretty much out from the get-go, but as a previous M5 driver I was still very tempted by them. The 3 wagon was too cramped and lacked much of the fit and finish I've come to expect from BMW. The X5 was tempting, but its height would have required substantial changes to my below-grade San Francisco garage, and its poor gas mileage was a turnoff. The fact that a vehicle as large as the X6 would only seat 4 eliminated it from the running... 3 years with a 4-seater convertible convinced me I needed the flexibility of a 5th seat. I see that a 5-seater option will be available later this year, and that might have changed my decision had it been available sooner.

In the end it came down to the new X3 versus the GT. I liked that the X3 was brand new, much more affordable and had paddle shifters, but I did not like the interior options (both wood grains are blah, and there's still too much vinyl/rubber and not enough leather... plus no ventilated seats, nappa leather, etc. I sat in an early model before they were generally available, and while it was a big improvement over the previous generation, I still wished it had more premium options.

Initially I had problems with the GT's back side, but this was based almost exclusive on photos of it, and once I saw a few in person I realized it had a lot more going for it than many of the online commenters wanted to admit. The interior is in my opinion nicer than any other BMW save the 7 Series, and versatility of the cargo and rear seating area made it an easy choice in the end. No regrets so far!

Interesting trip you took in BMW Land.

I can relate to your comments about not caring for Audis, and preferring to remain in the BMW corral. I especially appreciate your large dog concerns - note my signature and my after market Special High Performance German Anti-theft System. It was fun reading your post, I understand and appreciate the choices you made.

Welcome to the 5 GT Tribe, and the F07 Forum :thumbup:

car-fan
03-02-2011, 07:35 AM
Yep - many people remark that my car cost over $100K. Looking at the stats in your signature, I thought you were close to that number - your car looks its money, which is frequently not the case with many luxury cars today. Moreover, I am sure you have the pride of owning perhaps one of the nicest 5 GTs in NA - and you can invite your family for the ride, and everyone gets luxury accommodations! My car is far more basic but coming from a 335i vert, the 550i GT experience is sublime - I am still in new car buyers after glow. :cool:

PS. I saw a 5 GT at Pennsylvania Ave. and 19th Streets today - got my attention!

I consider it a serious value. And as you mention Family comfort was the first consideration. Here's something interesting for you, and a comparison of seating room that you are unlikely to see anywhere else. In comparison to the Caddy DTS we have, Its completely mind blowing that the GT has much more interior room, in what is arguably one of the largest "traditional" American sedans. And that Caddy is 205 inches long vs 196 inches for the GT. Yes, I too love this BIG BMW:D

Ironically enough a Town Car (livery) driver thought the GT would be the perfect car for shuttling his clients;)

You saw a GT in DC? Still pretty rare up there, as is the case down here in SoFla as well.

*dima*
03-03-2011, 09:41 AM
Interesting thread... Thanks, svanil, for starting it. Let me add my experience.

I am getting ready for an ED on a 550ixGT. I commute about 40 miles one-way on country roads, but also do a fair amount of interstate cruising, and the Dynamic Handling Package on the GT really impressed me in my test drives.
After test driving both 740i and 750i, as well as Jaguar XJ, and Porsche Cayenne, I concluded that the GT does not give up anything in driving enjoyment or luxury feel to these cars. The versatility of the GT is far superior to any luxury large sedan.

I lived in Europe for many years, and a key difference with the US that struck me was the fact that even wealthy families often have just one car. Terrible parking, high taxes, and even a feeling that multiple cars are wasteful combine and provide the demand for a vehicle that does everything. This is where the GT comes in. I am at a stage where I only want to have a single car, and for me the GT would do great in replacing a wagon/SUV and a luxury/sport sedan. I agree with car-fan. GT is great value.

magnumforc
03-03-2011, 10:59 AM
Cheers on your decision! Even though we have two GT's, the versatility is there. I'm off to the home supply while the spouse is on the way to the grocery. Neither has the need to give up time nor convenience to wait while a vehicle is free for their use. We didn't have to settle for the lack of versatility of a pickup truck for occasional use, nor do we get the "down nose" looks from those who think large SUV's are destroying the planet. With fuel prices soaring, we get to cruise in luxury at very realistic gas mileage. We sacrifice none of the comfort, luxury, cargo capacity nor quality and service. It just comes all wrapped up in one great package. Plus, it's a great car just to drive. After all, it is a BMW!

Capobranco
03-03-2011, 11:43 AM
Interesting thread... Thanks, svanil, for starting it. Let me add my experience.

I am getting ready for an ED on a 550ixGT. I commute about 40 miles one-way on country roads, but also do a fair amount of interstate cruising, and the Dynamic Handling Package on the GT really impressed me in my test drives.
After test driving both 740i and 750i, as well as Jaguar XJ, and Porsche Cayenne, I concluded that the GT does not give up anything in driving enjoyment or luxury feel to these cars. The versatility of the GT is far superior to any luxury large sedan.

I lived in Europe for many years, and a key difference with the US that struck me was the fact that even wealthy families often have just one car. Terrible parking, high taxes, and even a feeling that multiple cars are wasteful combine and provide the demand for a vehicle that does everything. This is where the GT comes in. I am at a stage where I only want to have a single car, and for me the GT would do great in replacing a wagon/SUV and a luxury/sport sedan. I agree with car-fan. GT is great value.

You tested some interesting cars. I too have spent considerable time in Europe. I suspect my opinion, that 5 door hatches and luxury are not antithetical concepts, is rooted in my European experience. As more premium 5 doors enter the US market, I am sure that American buyer's perception will change. Premium 5 doors will be viewed as more mainstream, as opposed to being just niche vehicles. As to agreeing with Car-fan - I soon got use to that idea after I joined this forum. :rofl:

Congrats on the soon to be GT! Welcome to the 07 Forum! :thumbup:

Cheers on your decision! Even though we have two GT's, the versatility is there. I'm off to the home supply while the spouse is on the way to the grocery. Neither has the need to give up time nor convenience to wait while a vehicle is free for their use. We didn't have to settle for the lack of versatility of a pickup truck for occasional use, nor do we get the "down nose" looks from those who think large SUV's are destroying the planet. With fuel prices soaring, we get to cruise in luxury at very realistic gas mileage. We sacrifice none of the comfort, luxury, cargo capacity nor quality and service. It just comes all wrapped up in one great package. Plus, it's a great car just to drive. After all, it is a BMW!

+1 BIG BMW :thumbup:

nlk10010
03-03-2011, 03:29 PM
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I lived in Europe for many years, and a key difference with the US that struck me was the fact that even wealthy families often have just one car. Terrible parking, high taxes, and even a feeling that multiple cars are wasteful combine and provide the demand for a vehicle that does everything. This is where the GT comes in. I am at a stage where I only want to have a single car, and for me the GT would do great in replacing a wagon/SUV and a luxury/sport sedan. I agree with car-fan. GT is great value.

Funny, I feel as you do.

When I first got married we maintained two homes, one in NYC and one by the beach. People thought that was a marvelous thing and envied us but, while it was nice, the cost and trouble of maintaining two residences outweighed the benefits.

I feel the same way about cars: I have a 550i 6speed which, at times, I LOVE driving. The problem is there's no way to lug stuff in the 550i and I can't physically manage a 6speed anymore, at least on a continuous basis. My wife doesn't drive so it doesn't make economic sense to maintain two cars (we're not independently wealthy) and things are easier when I just need to maintain ONE car. THAT'S why the 550GT attracted me. My salesman looked at me sideways when I said I was interested in one but it's a luxury 7 and an X5 all in one. My main problem is that if I trade in my 550 and lease the GT, I won't get the sales tax benefit. If I buy I worry about resale down the road since, even though I don't mind the GT's looks, there are a lot of potential buyers who do.

dogguyX3
03-03-2011, 04:36 PM
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Capobranco
03-03-2011, 04:53 PM
Funny, I feel as you do.

When I first got married we maintained two homes, one in NYC and one by the beach. People thought that was a marvelous thing and envied us but, while it was nice, the cost and trouble of maintaining two residences outweighed the benefits.

I feel the same way about cars: I have a 550i 6speed which, at times, I LOVE driving. The problem is there's no way to lug stuff in the 550i and I can't physically manage a 6speed anymore, at least on a continuous basis. My wife doesn't drive so it doesn't make economic sense to maintain two cars (we're not independently wealthy) and things are easier when I just need to maintain ONE car. THAT'S why the 550GT attracted me. My salesman looked at me sideways when I said I was interested in one but it's a luxury 7 and an X5 all in one. My main problem is that if I trade in my 550 and lease the GT, I won't get the sales tax benefit. If I buy I worry about resale down the road since, even though I don't mind the GT's looks, there are a lot of potential buyers who do.

I liked the styling of my 550i GT, but before purchasing, I raised the same question. In response to a very similar question within the recent thread " Should we go for GT or 5 series " on the F10 Forum, I offered the following response - I think it is apropos to repost it. Furthermore, Car-fan addressed the issue of oddly equipped remaining 2010 GTs.

Originally Posted by laser

.....Think this styling will destine the GT to be odd hard to resell / hold value car. The F10 is beautiful with classic styling that will look good for many years.

svanil's response...

Although sales are substantially up this year and the 5 GT has exceeded BMW projections I do not think the GT has found its market in North America I suggest that the GT concept will gain greater acceptance in North America as other BMW GT series are launched especially the 3 series GT. Moreover, as other premium 5 doors from competing brands join the party, the idea of premium and 5 door will cease being antithetical.

The trend for the GT is up but the future is speculation.
Courtesy of Kelly Blue Book, we can look at the market as of today.

Kelly Blue Book
Assumptions
Trade-in value
Location Potomac, MD
Miles 12,000 per yr
Condition- excellent
Equipment ***8211;Auto, Sport Pack, Dynamic Handling, 19+" wheels, Navigation, Cold, Premium, Optional Stereo, Satellite, Park Sensors
(The GTs are configured with standard 3 across rear seats)

List prices are approximations and do not take into account discounts.

2009 ***8211; 535i ***8211; trade in value - $36,850 - new list approximately $60K
2010 ***8211; 535i- trade in value - $41,700 - new list approximately $60K
2010***8211; 535iGT ***8211; trade in value $56,950 ***8211; new list approximately $68K
2010 -550iGT ***8211; trade in value $64,675 ***8211; new list approximately $75K

All cars depreciate and BMW 5 series are not immune, but trade-in prices on the 5 GT are holding up well.

(Note there are many GTs with exceptional levels of luxury equipment - the 550i GT in the
exercise is based on my car, and I did not include my Special High Performance German Anti-theft System which is after market).
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car-fan
03-03-2011, 06:14 PM
;)I liked the styling of my 550i GT, but before purchasing, I raised the same question. In response to a very similar question within the recent thread " Should we go for GT or 5 series " on the F10 Forum, I offered the following response - I think it is apropos to repost it. Furthermore, Car-fan addressed the issue of oddly equipped remaining 2010 GTs.

Originally Posted by laser

.....Think this styling will destine the GT to be odd hard to resell / hold value car. The F10 is beautiful with classic styling that will look good for many years.

svanil's response...

Although sales are substantially up this year and the 5 GT has exceeded BMW projections I do not think the GT has found its market in North America I suggest that the GT concept will gain greater acceptance in North America as other BMW GT series are launched especially the 3 series GT. Moreover, as other premium 5 doors from competing brands join the party, the idea of premium and 5 door will cease being antithetical.

The trend for the GT is up but the future is speculation.
Courtesy of Kelly Blue Book, we can look at the market as of today.

Kelly Blue Book
Assumptions
Trade-in value
Location Potomac, MD
Miles 12,000 per yr
Condition- excellent
Equipment ***8211;Auto, Sport Pack, Dynamic Handling, 19+" wheels, Navigation, Cold, Premium, Optional Stereo, Satellite, Park Sensors
(The GTs are configured with standard 3 across rear seats)

List prices are approximations and do not take into account discounts.

2009 ***8211; 535i ***8211; trade in value - $36,850 - new list approximately $60K
2010 ***8211; 535i- trade in value - $41,700 - new list approximately $60K
2010***8211; 535iGT ***8211; trade in value $56,950 ***8211; new list approximately $68K
2010 -550iGT ***8211; trade in value $64,675 ***8211; new list approximately $75K

All cars depreciate and BMW 5 series are not immune, but trade-in prices on the 5 GT are holding up well.

(Note there are many GTs with exceptional levels of luxury equipment - the 550i GT in the
exercise is based on my car, and I did not include my Special High Performance German Anti-theft System which is after market).
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I knew what I was getting into when I placed an order for the GT. The cars were not even available at the dealers when I made my initial purchase - so I didn't have the benefit of huge discounts athough, this is BMW #7 for me owner loyalty didn't amount to much. Post delivery of the GT - 1 year later I am still very satisfied with my purchase. I didn't choose to lease as I planned on piling on miles - the GT is meant for eating up miles (lots of them). The restraints imposed by a 10k, 12k, or 36k mile lease were not for me. Resale was not a real concern either.

Since I am one for switching cars often, many of my friends made the statement "you're keeping this one right?" and I of course nodded with a smile. If reliablity holds, I am satisfied with the technology, the luxury, the performance. I am good for years to come.:drive:

Capobranco
03-03-2011, 07:41 PM
;)



I knew what I was getting into when I placed an order for the GT. The cars were not even available at the dealers when I made my initial purchase - so I didn't have the benefit of huge discounts athough, this is BMW #7 for me owner loyalty didn't amount to much. Post delivery of the GT - 1 year later I am still very satisfied with my purchase. I didn't choose to lease as I planned on piling on miles - the GT is meant for eating up miles (lots of them). The restraints imposed by a 10k, 12k, or 36k mile lease were not for me. Resale was not a real concern either.

Since I am one for switching cars often, many of my friends made the statement "you're keeping this one right?" and I of course nodded with a smile. If reliablity holds, I am satisfied with the technology, the luxury, the performance. I am good for years to come.:drive:

When I say to my friends or family that this car might be a keeper - I get :rolleyes: - they have heard this song before countless times. That being said, my affection for my GT continues to grow and I look forward to driving everyday - although I may add a 1M this summer. As to resale values - you might have noticed that my post on the F10 Forum was received with silence - I had anticipated the usual bashing. I think they must have been really surprised by the Kelly Blue Book trade in value numbers - I know I was. The sales manager at my dealership made an interesting point to me. He said the GT might follow the model of the 5 series touring - a real niche vehicle when new, but strongly in demand as a use car. Whatever....my 550i GT is a great car with an unanticipated bonus - good resale as of today. :)

car-fan
03-03-2011, 08:03 PM
When I say to my friends or family that this car might be a keeper - I get :rolleyes: - they have heard this song before countless times. That being said, my affection for my GT continues to grow and I look forward to driving everyday - although I may add a 1M this summer. As to resale values - you might have noticed that my post on the F10 Forum was received with silence - I had anticipated the usual bashing. I think they must have been really surprised by the Kelly Blue Book trade in value numbers - I know I was. The sales manager at my dealership made an interesting point to me. He said the GT might follow the model of the 5 series touring - a real niche vehicle when new, but strongly in demand as a use car. Whatever....my 550i GT is a great car with an unanticipated bonus - good resale as of today. :)

1M :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::supdude: 2002 tii/turbo reborn;)

Yes I did notice the crickets after you posted the numbers:)

I'm starting hear that some dealers will only bring in new 550 GT's by order only.

Capobranco
03-03-2011, 08:45 PM
1M :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::supdude: 2002 tii/turbo reborn;)

Yes I did notice the crickets after you posted the numbers:)

I'm starting hear that some dealers will only bring in new 550 GT's by order only.

I hope....:drive:
http://image.motortrend.com/f/9509754+w750/c12_0612_02z+1972_bmw_2002_tii+badge.jpg

...maybe when I finally test drive the 1 M, I will have been corrupted by the power, luxury, and yes,
comfort of my 550i GT....my 335i vert is a quickly fading memory....maybe I am getting old?:rofl:

PS "....crickets....":rofl:

car-fan
03-04-2011, 07:57 AM
I hope....:drive:
http://image.motortrend.com/f/9509754+w750/c12_0612_02z+1972_bmw_2002_tii+badge.jpg

...maybe when I finally test drive the 1 M, I will have been corrupted by the power, luxury, and yes,
comfort of my 550i GT....my 335i vert is a quickly fading memory....maybe I am getting old?:rofl:

PS "....crickets....":rofl:

Great Image::)

The 1M should prove to be a raw little terror. Basically M3 suspension components in a smaller package.

The 2002 was a force to be reckoned with in its day;) Its also interesting that BMW was using turbos in the early 70's.

Capobranco
03-04-2011, 08:20 AM
Great Image::)

The 1M should prove to be a raw little terror. Basically M3 suspension components in a smaller package.

The 2002 was a force to be reckoned with in its day;) Its also interesting that BMW was using turbos in the early 70's.

Your pic makes my heart beat a little faster!
I was privileged to drive a tii for 2 years! (Note - the tii featured mechanical fuel injection,
and was not turbo charged).
http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=268783&d=1299254238

Time marches on....I was thinking about driving my tii and the new 1M while I was driving my 550i GT this morning. Obviously, my GT is a very different experience but both are the product of a company whose goal is to deliver driving pleasure. The 550i GT is indeed a BIG BMW... and that is a good thing. :thumbup:

nlk10010
03-04-2011, 08:59 AM
Can you say....Kugelfischer?

My very first car was a 1971 (with the round taillights, like in the picture) 2002 (not tii). I wanted that orange but the only car the dealer had in stock was "Riviera Blue". I remember riding with my mother in our other car while my father drove the 2002 back home, down Queens Blvd. He looked over to me at a stoplight and the biggest grin was spread over his face; I think he loved that car more than I did. Even back then he was always complaining how American cars were too big and if they just came out with smaller models people would see how much easier they were to drive. I think a smaller car with a sweet-shifting stick was just what he had in mind.

Ahhh....memories.

car-fan
03-05-2011, 09:49 PM
[QUOTE=svanil;5892412]Your pic makes my heart beat a little faster!
I was privileged to drive a tii for 2 years! (Note - the tii featured mechanical fuel injection,
and was not turbo charged).
http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=268783&d=1299254238

Yes I know, I was commenting on both variants Turbo and tii;)

GTGuy
05-25-2011, 08:09 PM
I drove the Lincoln Mkt, not a bad ride but no comparison to the GT. I also drove a new MDX since we had an older one.... Same thing ten years newer. Also drove an R-Class Mercedes- that was a big disappointment and expensive. Drove a Caddy SRX, not bad but no back seat. One drive in the GT and I was hooked. I also have an Acura RL - have to say Acuras are bulletproof. I have 170K on my MDX and 90 on my RL.. I hope the GT proves to be as bulletproof. I did splurge for extended warranty and maintenance since I have heard BMWs can be expensive to maintain and I tend to keep cars a long while..

Bottom line is if you are tired of an SUV (i am), need a big back seat, want to haul stuff and have fun driving there is no other vehicle, other than maybe a 7 series or S class, that accomplishes this mission.. Granted that mission is not a requirement for everyone, but I for one am glad BMW stepped up.... And did it for less than 6 figures!

innerloop
05-26-2011, 07:39 AM
I didn't notice this older thread, but now that its revived:

Before placing my ED order for a 535GT, I test-drove:

- 535(non-GT). Nice all around, no complaints about it at all.
- Infiniti M45. I had one of these like 6 years ago or so, and was surprised that it had barely changed, and doesn't really have the fun driving experience I wanted.
- Audi A7. Fun to look at, fun to drive, but it felt way smaller inside than a car this size should, and the price didn't seem in-line with the value.
- Audi Q5. Decided SUV wasn't for me, despite my space/cargo needs.
- BMW X5. Nice, but still felt SUV wasn't my vibe, and no Euro Delivery.
- MB CLS. Too expensive for me.

If the newer-generation A6 was available for a drive and shared some charactersitics with the A7, it might have tipped the scales.

Overally, I wasn't aware of the GT at all (went in to drive the 5 & X5), and when I explored it, it was almost as-is it was targeted specifically to my unique needs (3 pax, dog, cargo, hates SUVs & Wagons).

Fcowling
01-25-2014, 11:53 AM
In 2009, I bought a 2006 750LI.....and loved it. It started to burn oil and I got scared...so I traded it in and bought a new, 2012 Acura MDX. My practical side won out...bad mistake. It was a great car....but BORING! Now, back in a BMW, I feel that the world is good again. I actually enjoy driving again. I am still trying to figure out all of the features but so far so good...and I am one of the few who actually like the looks of this vehicle. Mine is dark graphite and ivory interior, 20 inch wheels and most options. Very nice.

gt=hi&bye
01-25-2014, 03:19 PM
Can you show some pics? And share the deal you got...if you don't mind. What are the specs on your GT?

Fcowling
01-28-2014, 11:48 AM
I have a bad back so riding higher from the road is very appealing. I drove a 2003 Infiniti FX 35 from 03-09....then a 2006 BMW 750 LI (my first BMW) from 09-12, then a 2012 Acura MDX from 2012-2013. My MDX was a great car....but way too boring to drive. I was itching to get back into a BMW. I looked at the X-5, X-6 and 550I GT. I selected the GT as I felt is was the most stylish and versitle car of the group. So far, I have not been disappointed!

Fcowling
01-28-2014, 12:26 PM
Can you show some pics? And share the deal you got...if you don't mind. What are the specs on your GT?

I can't figure out how to post photos from my iphone. I did send them to my email address. I can forward them to you via email if you want to give me your email address.

I paid $39,990. The car has 18k miles and is dark graphite metalic with ivory interior. It has the following packages: sport, 20' alloy wheels, convenience, camera, cold weather, premium sound, heads up display, ceramic controls and rear entertainment. I am really enjoying it so far.

daders
01-28-2014, 12:49 PM
I can't figure out how to post photos from my iphone. I did send them to my email address. I can forward them to you via email if you want to give me your email address.

I paid $39,990. The car has 18k miles and is dark graphite metalic with ivory interior. It has the following packages: sport, 20' alloy wheels, convenience, camera, cold weather, premium sound, heads up display, ceramic controls and rear entertainment. I am really enjoying it so far.

you have to allow access to photos. TOok me a while to learn that, but it's not in the bimmer app but in the Settings -> Privacy -> Photos (assuming iPhone)

Fcowling
01-28-2014, 01:28 PM
I have added 10 photos to My Garage. If you click on that section of my post, you will see the photos.

ayu910
01-28-2014, 05:59 PM
I have added 10 photos to My Garage. If you click on that section of my post, you will see the photos.

Hi Fcowling, nice combo you got! If you have the chance, welcome to share pics in this thread http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=749182

ayu910
01-28-2014, 06:18 PM
back to the topic, there was only one car we test drove/consider before our GT.....the E63 Wagon, monster car with crazy power. Mrs don't like interior and for me the Command system is just difficult to deal with, at the end we were happy to stay within the family.

ErnestHouse
01-29-2014, 12:57 AM
BMW X3 and X5. Audi Q5 and A7, I was about to test drive the Tesla Model S when, after 3 months of doing nothing, my GT order went into production.

daders
01-29-2014, 03:54 AM
back to the topic, there was only one car we test drove/consider before our GT.....the E63 Wagon, monster car with crazy power. Mrs don't like interior and for me the Command system is just difficult to deal with, at the end we were happy to stay within the family.

Ha! I tried to get the better 1/2 to test drive a MB wagon as we were replacing an E39 touring, but she wouldn't even consider a test drive. It came down to GT vs X6 for us and there honestly was no debate considering interior room, amenities and drive characteristics. As much as I appreciated the glove-like cockpit feel and amazingly responsive, tight ride of the X6 we would have not been nearly as comfortable on long road trips.

rogueshot
01-29-2014, 01:01 PM
Once we decided to replace a MB R500, the hunt was on for something that could carry the dogs if needed and we knew we didn't want another wagon. Looked very briefly at the 550 sedan and E wagon. Looked for real at the A7, E60 M5, range rover sport, Q5, XC and X5. Not sure that I was actually close to buying any of them until I stumbled across the GT. Once I realized that they were almost universally unloved and therefore deals were mine to be had both new and used, I was hooked. I never even drove it before buying it.....I knew I loved the F10 550 and figured how different could the GT be with a bit more height, weight and wheelbase.....

Capobranco
01-29-2014, 02:46 PM
Gone two years+ but I am still living!

I bought my 550i GT for my family. Most of my previous cars have been considerably smaller - at the time, I needed a larger car for my family. I remember being very anxious when I drove my GT home from the dealership - thinking, wow did I ever make a mistake. However, the more I drove the car, the more engaging I found it. My GT was not only a super comfy, utility champ but a car that conquered mountain switchbacks, fast long distance interstates, and or just about anything else with aplomb. The Porsche PanameraS I compared it to felt sterile in comparison. Alas my needs and desires changed (I really feel more at home in a smaller BMW), and my GT departed exactly one year from the day I bought it - I have fond memories of the experience.

ayu910
01-31-2014, 05:14 PM
Nice to see we got wagon enthusiasts here :thumbup: , BMW NA seriously need to consider to bring the F10 Touring over. It would be handsome if Alpina B5 Touring and/or M5 Touring can reach our shore too. If MB USA can manage limited qty E63 wagon on custom order base, so can BMW NA.

At the mean time F07 is not a bad alternative :)

jadnashuanh
01-31-2014, 08:01 PM
BMW offers lots of things in Germany that they do not offer anywhere else. Considering the way their production line works, if someone was willing to wait for the vehicle with just the options and configuration they wanted, there is no good reason why not unless it affected the crash certification or contravened some of the current laws. This is true of some of the lighting, but I'm not sure what else. It is frustrating, since in Germany, while packages may end up less expensive, you can pick and choose almost any combination of options you wish when ordering a vehicle.

daders
02-01-2014, 02:59 AM
BMW offers lots of things in Germany that they do not offer anywhere else. Considering the way their production line works, if someone was willing to wait for the vehicle with just the options and configuration they wanted, there is no good reason why not unless it affected the crash certification or contravened some of the current laws. This is true of some of the lighting, but I'm not sure what else. It is frustrating, since in Germany, while packages may end up less expensive, you can pick and choose almost any combination of options you wish when ordering a vehicle.

I know, right?! It's almost a good thing (at least that's what I'm trying to convince myself) that we don't have real money as I'd buy a residence in Bavarian Alps simply to purchase my perfect combo of options and ship it to US :bigpimp::bigpimp::bigpimp:

ErnestHouse
02-01-2014, 05:26 AM
It was nice to see the OP weigh in on this. I have concluded that one dimensional thinkers won't land on the GT. Rather, multi-dimensional ones that balance sheet metal, engineering, technology and practicality appreciate the GT design for it's "from a blank sheet" design that solves for many things at once.

I failed to mention I test drove the Rover Evoque. While there's interesting design elements with that vehicle, the short wheelbase killed it for me. Both in ride and interior comfort. Love that shifter tho. LOL

jadnashuanh
02-01-2014, 05:26 PM
I know, right?! It's almost a good thing (at least that's what I'm trying to convince myself) that we don't have real money as I'd buy a residence in Bavarian Alps simply to purchase my perfect combo of options and ship it to US :bigpimp::bigpimp::bigpimp:

They've been negotiating an agreement between the Euro zone and the USA to allow a single certification for autos. If they ever come to agreement, those there won't have to build a special version for the USA and their home countries. They've been talking about it for ages, but if they ever do settle, lots of neat things only sold there would immediately become possible here...that does not mean that the local distributor would allow it (or the home office), but at least they would no longer have a certification flag to wave as to why we can't have one.

daders
02-03-2014, 11:04 AM
They've been negotiating an agreement between the Euro zone and the USA to allow a single certification for autos. If they ever come to agreement, those there won't have to build a special version for the USA and their home countries. They've been talking about it for ages, but if they ever do settle, lots of neat things only sold there would immediately become possible here...that does not mean that the local distributor would allow it (or the home office), but at least they would no longer have a certification flag to wave as to why we can't have one.

I heard the reason it's taking so long is that the US doesn't understand German and Germans refuse to speak English. Besides, BMW would outsell Ford on their home turf and Bob Dylan doesn't approve...anyone see that commercial during Superbowl?


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GhostWorks
02-03-2014, 01:35 PM
I test drove a F10, F11 and a F07 in September 2013.

The F10 and F11 were both ex demo within a year old, and the F07 is a 2010 production year...

However I picked the F07 and love it

Previous car was a 5series E60, ( I prefer a Big car even thou I own a Mini Cooper S as well lol )




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georgek
02-04-2014, 06:13 AM
Thanks for this thread and all the input. I currently own an '07 X3 and looking for a change up. Test drove the Audi A7 and have my eyes on a '13 GT. I've had enough of the SAV/SUV ride and am ready for a something with more penache that can be great fun to drive (but still need that occassional utility, thus, the hatchback). If I go the GT route I'll be sure to post the pics. I'm excited to test drive one. I located one just 100 miles away with 5k miles on it for under 50k. This weekend...

Whoever wrote "It's tough to stay neutral when you love not only cars, but what they bring to your every day driving pleasure" - I couldn't agree more. I just love driving a good car I can always trust, looks sharp, and has some spirit under the hood.

GhostWorks
02-04-2014, 06:16 AM
Have fun and enjoy


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ErnestHouse
02-04-2014, 07:46 PM
... I've had enough of the SAV/SUV ride and am ready for a something with more penache that can be great fun to drive (but still need that occassional utility, thus, the hatchback). ....

I couldn't agree more. The GT is perfect for those no longer needing all the space of an SUV or Minivan yet need more than a sedan. That's where the A7 fails. It's all about the sheet metal, not the payload and passengers.

Fish23
02-05-2014, 12:11 PM
I almost don't qualify for this thread as I consider myself more of an 'accidental' GT owner. I was driving a 2007 Hyundai Santa Fe and my wife a 2007 Mazda 3 when in early 2012 she expressed a deisre to have a BMW, a dream that she always had and that I had frequently I poo-pooed saying 'you're only paying for the name'. She decided that she was going to get one and we started looking at the 3 series after having been referred to a |CA at a dealer in our city who tried to excite us with a new 328 xi as my wife thought the 335xi had 'too much engine'. We took a test drive (rather ho-hum and nothing special as I recall) and then asked to look at CPOs. His enthusiasm immediately waned and he hardly had any worth looking at. We thanked him and never heard from him again.

Some weeks later my wife asked me to investigate a 2010 335xi CPO with lots of nice options but over 53,000 kms (30,000 miles) on the odometer and located at the other dealer in the city. I met the first available CA and out we went. It was an impressive ride and we ended up buying it despite the mileage which appeared to be mostly highway driving in the two years it had been under lease. Luckily I was able to get to drive it both city and highway and we loved it, primarily for the power train. Some months later, and for my approaching 60th birthday, I decided that I wanted my own BMW so I asked the same CA to be on the lookout for at least a 2011 X3 tricked out at least as nicely as my wife's 335. I was, after all, an SUV owner and liked the concept.

Three weeks later he e-mailed to say that he had my next vehicle, a 2011 5 series GT (a 535 xi) as an executive-driven CPO from BMW Canada with 7100 kms (about 3500 miles). I was halfway through an e-mail response thanking him but indicating that I really wanted an X3 when I went on the internet to investigate what a 5 series GT actually was. I had never heard of it (and have since learned why). Once I went through it, I was intrigued, mostly by the versatility, and asked him some questions about it. Once I felt it was worth investigating (same engine as my wife's car but with an 8-speed tranny) I spoke to my better half who said I should at have a look once the vehicle arrived at the dealership. I called the CA to put a deposit via VISA for right-of-first-refusal only to learn someone had beaten me to it BUT he had another one with only 3100Km (about 2500 miles, practically brand new) for slightly more money.

I put the deposit down and five days later (on my wife's birthday no less) I test drove the GT and was so impressed. We then we prepared a cost sheet with our CA where we 'built' a new X3 with the options that I wanted and all the extras (less sales tax) that go with a new vehicle that came to within $1000 of the reduced price the CA was asking for the GT. As he so rightly pointed out, the GT was so much more vehicle for the money. To prove the point he brought out a nicely-equipped X3 for a test drive and it was obvious, the difference in ride and luxury was marked. He also showed me what a 2012 similarly-equipped GT would cost and the difference was almost $20,000. My Santa Fe was still worth something so I reduced the cost even more. So, I took the plunge and have not regretted it once even if I did not 'test-drive the competition' unless you want to count how much I enjoyed 'test-driving' my wife's 335. (Sitting in Audis, MBs, Infinitis and Lexus' at a car show really does not count as test driving does it?) Joining this forum with the great folks in it and all interesting and useful information to which I have been exposed, has only enhanced my experience.

My apologies for being long-winded but I hope you can see why I considered myself an 'accidental-rather-than-deliberate GT owner'.

Ductordoc
02-05-2014, 04:47 PM
Great experience and story Fish23, thanks.

Fish23
02-06-2014, 02:55 PM
You are most welcome and thanks to Capobranco for introducing the thread.

I also enjoy everyone else's stories as we all came to the same 'ownership place' and share a unique bond that is evident by the tone and tenor of our posts.


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mcpell
02-06-2014, 05:49 PM
My story is born out of a process of elimination and happenstance. To start with, my last car, prior to the 550i GT I drive now, was a 2006 Volvo S60 R. It was a 300HP, all wheel drive car that I really enjoyed. As I looked to replace it I had a few criteria:

1) Power - I really enjoyed the 0-60, passing capability and overall satisfaction I got from driving my S60R
2) AWD - While I would have settled for front wheel, I definitely wanted to avoid a RWD car. Living in CT a RWD car is something to avoid if it is your daily driver. Yeah, I know, most cars used to be RWD. I just wasn't interested in making my wintry commutes more challenging than the needed to be.
3) Leg room - For everything I loved about the S60R, the one thing I disliked was the rear passenger space - I'm 6'2" and to get an adult behind me meant moving my seat forward a good ways such that I was no longer comfortable. As I have increasingly needed to drive more than 1 passenger around, extra room in the back was a plus.
4) Unique/Different - The last couple cars I've owned have been less than run of the mill. I want the chances that someone else in the parking garage or lot have the same car as I do to be minimal. Sure, once you get into the luxury segment you are already limiting that, but I see at least two or three 5 series a day, without fail, but see only one GT perhaps once a month.
5) Wagon? - I've always been interested in the versatility of a wagon, but wasn't 100% sold on wanting one. A consideration though...

So, as I started my search and looked at all the usual suspects. Was interested in an E63 AMG, but it's RWD. Thought about a Jaguar XFR - RWD. The Audi S6 was at the top of the list for a period of time - 435HP, AWD, OK rear leg room, not too many around. This also became part of the problem - there weren't any CPO S6's anywhere within 200 miles of me. I kept looking. Thought about an M5, but RWD... A 550 seemed too run of the mill. So, my process of elimination didn't leave me with a lot of options. I wasn't really finding many 300+ HP luxury sedans with good rear leg room, AWD and relatively limited production. Then, one day I was at a gas station and a silver GT pulls up to the pump across from me. I said, "What the heck is that - I've never seen one of those before."

I went home, looked at it and it met all my criteria - 400HP, AWD, ample rear leg room, certainly unique/different and almost a wagon. It was perfect.

The End.