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tim330i
01-10-2011, 03:16 PM
tgriffith from cargurus.com muses about the current state of the auto worker and if we really need the big and powerful (and whiny) auto workers union.

For some reason, few things get under my skin like talk from the UAW.

This month the union, which represents some 120,000 hourly auto employees at Ford, GM and Chrysler, will attempt to unionize workers at Toyota, Honda, Nissan, Hyundai, Kia, BMW, Mercedes-Benz and Volkswagen.

Rather than acting as a powerful advocate of U.S. labor laws, the UAW reminds me lately of a group of 8-year-old boys who arenít getting what they want.

The UAW has attempted to organize workers at foreign automakersí plants before, without success. Thereís really one simple reason for that: Workers at those plants are happy, paid well and treated with respect. I would bet that Ford, GM and Chrysler workers today would feel the same without UAW involvement. Thereís no need for a therapist when the marriage is fine.

Am I wrong here? Does the UAW serve a greater purpose that I am missing?

Source - http://www.cargurus.com/blog/2011/01/07/do-we-still-need-the-united-auto-workers-union

AzNMpower32
01-10-2011, 03:40 PM
We folks in the south don't view unions as a solution or improvement, rather a cause of future company problems. That's a big reason why southern states have right-to-work laws that limit or ban unions altogether.

Campfamily
01-10-2011, 04:10 PM
Unions served a purpose many years ago, but they've been overcome by today's business climate. Right now they are irrelevant and only cost the consumer more money.

But, who would bribe our members of Congress if the unions weren't there to do it? :D

Keith

timfitz63
01-10-2011, 07:17 PM
Unions served a purpose many years ago, but they've been overcome by today's business climate. Right now they are irrelevant and only cost the consumer more money...

Having grown up in what was one of the birthplaces of organized labor (Pittsburgh), this might be heresy for me to say... But you're absolutely correct: unions have long out-lived their original purpose...! Today, they are little more than politically-motivated lobbyist organizations that are highly adept at providing "answers" to questions that no one has asked; or creating problems through which they can justify their own existence by using "solutions" that only they can provide... :thumbdwn:

M3RMA
01-10-2011, 07:30 PM
Unions cost the employee and the consumer, from what I read a number of years
ago over 2k of the cost of a new GM vehicle goes to cover "employee benifits" i.e. the
union, the article went on to say that during that year GM's employee health insurance
paid out 13m for Viagra alone...

mohrgan
01-11-2011, 08:00 AM
I work for a teachers union...but IMHO they really have little place in today's workforce due to govt. regulations and competition. Stand strong foreign auto companies and resist the evilness!

chrisk03
01-11-2011, 10:07 AM
"We" don't need them, but the Democrat party does. :)

That being said, I have NO problem with private sector unions trying to organize, although I would urge any person, company, etc. to vote them down for the reasons other's have stated.

The bigger problem, and something that should be completely illegal, is PUBLIC sector unions, but that's a different subject/topic.

Here's to BMW and the others voting the UAW down...

HoustonScott
01-11-2011, 05:23 PM
Unions don't protect workers anymore! They are fund risers for the left. In their present form I would outlaw them...

HS

AzNMpower32
01-11-2011, 05:52 PM
I notice how unions seem to be big in the Midwest, and we have no one aside from timfitz63 who comes from a pro-union area.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-to-work_law

No offence, I think Midwest folks tend to live in a bit of a "bubble" when it comes to certain things. Unions, corn syrup, and ethanol to name a few.

chrisk03
01-11-2011, 08:59 PM
I notice how unions seem to be big in the Midwest, and we have no one aside from timfitz63 who comes from a pro-union area.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-to-work_law

No offence, I think Midwest folks tend to live in a bit of a "bubble" when it comes to certain things. Unions, corn syrup, and ethanol to name a few.

I grew up in a small Midwestern steel town, so def a blue collar union area. Uncle worked for fisher body and was union, as well. I think they were probably a necessity back in the day, but not so much anymore. Too much competition globally and unions still living in the past.

"Bubbles" can exist anywhere, just different types...and I'm not always certain its a bad thing. Ha

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gtxragtop
01-12-2011, 01:46 PM
They are useful when companies abuse their employees. since for the most part, that issue is long gone, the current unions abuse the companies and the consumer.
(not to mention state and gov't contracts where union labor is a requirement to win a bid)

BMWenthusiast
01-13-2011, 01:36 AM
Agree with the comments about how Unions no longer serve their purpose.

I doubt they'd be successful at most of these foreign plants because the companies that have plants here (aside from old Ford and GM) have successful operations and tend to pay well. I would be interested to see the wages of BMW workers compared to those of their GM and Ford counterparts. Anyone have info like this?

EnterTheDragon
01-14-2011, 09:40 PM
How come BMW is ok with their workers in Germany and UK being unionized?

stesho4
01-14-2011, 10:09 PM
Having been a vice president of the uaw at a major heavy truck manufacturing facility and then switching to a management position I can clearly speak to the pro's and con's. Many companies do indeed need unions so they are treated fairly by their employers. At the same time many companies treat their employees fairly and no such representation is needed. All of BMW's facilities in Europe are unionized.

Having seen first hand how BMW has treated their employees in their only US plant in South Carolina as far as pay and benefits, etc. there is no need to a union at their facility. The UAW has tried many many times over the years and hasnt had one iota of sucess because of this.

For people with absolutely no experience with unions except what they read in the paper or hear from talking heads on television dont be so quick to judge what you really dont know. The Tahoe that you buy that was hecho en Mexico sure doesnt sell for a cheaper price than the same one made in Arlington TX.

stesho4
01-14-2011, 10:13 PM
Agree with the comments about how Unions no longer serve their purpose.

I doubt they'd be successful at most of these foreign plants because the companies that have plants here (aside from old Ford and GM) have successful operations and tend to pay well. I would be interested to see the wages of BMW workers compared to those of their GM and Ford counterparts. Anyone have info like this?

BMW South Carolina employees pay is in line with the big 3. However BMW Europe employees pay is a great deal more than anyone in the big 3 and have a great deal more vacation time.

BMWenthusiast
01-14-2011, 10:42 PM
BMW South Carolina employees pay is in line with the big 3. However BMW Europe employees pay is a great deal more than anyone in the big 3 and have a great deal more vacation time.

Thanks for the info Stesho!

Europe is a different business climate in general so that they get paid more and more vacation time makes sense. We talked a great deal about labor laws in Europe in my classes and pro's and con's to the systems out there.

eazy
01-18-2011, 09:17 PM
Having been a vice president of the uaw at a major heavy truck manufacturing facility and then switching to a management position I can clearly speak to the pro's and con's. Many companies do indeed need unions so they are treated fairly by their employers. At the same time many companies treat their employees fairly and no such representation is needed. All of BMW's facilities in Europe are unionized.

Having seen first hand how BMW has treated their employees in their only US plant in South Carolina as far as pay and benefits, etc. there is no need to a union at their facility. The UAW has tried many many times over the years and hasnt had one iota of sucess because of this.

For people with absolutely no experience with unions except what they read in the paper or hear from talking heads on television dont be so quick to judge what you really dont know. The Tahoe that you buy that was hecho en Mexico sure doesnt sell for a cheaper price than the same one made in Arlington TX.

one more thing is the unions in Europe are more powerful than the unions in America.

Black 328xi
01-25-2011, 05:08 PM
BMW South Carolina employees pay is in line with the big 3. However BMW Europe employees pay is a great deal more than anyone in the big 3 and have a great deal more vacation time.

They also pay a lot more in income tax in Europe.

aioros
01-31-2011, 02:02 PM
Ditto on everything has been said. However me being a union member, AFSCME, I believe there is still a place for Unions. Although I hate to see them fighting for and giving money away to politicians instead of the workers they represent.
The vast majority of all the companies in the world are in business to make money, no matter what their employees have to go through, good or bad, but they want to make more money every day, and reduce their expenses every day, to make more money, etc.

A lot of people mention the cost of the UAW employees' benefits that is added to each car that is made, that's true, but how much more is added to the price tag to pay for management and executives' WAY HIGHER wages and benefit packages? (jets, homes, bonuses, etc)

Just my 0.02