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captaindrewle
02-08-2004, 08:37 PM
Just wanted to share my iPod setup with everyone.

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=25936

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=25937

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=25938

Details:

I ordered an aux cable and ran the wire from the head unit all the way to the back of my eurotray. Next, I picked up a Belkin Auto Charger w/Audio and chopped off the cig lighter part. I made an 18 pin connector from an old cd-rom drive IDE connector (to get power from the cell phone harness) and chopped off a 3.5mm connector from some old earphones (to connect to the aux cable). Luckily, the Frankenstein part of the cable is neatly hidden under the center console.

I have many pics of the whole install. If anyone wants to see a specific part or has any questions, let me know.

mquetel
02-08-2004, 09:28 PM
Nice going!! I think the custom wiring harness is a great idea. :thumbup:

Can you share the details about which wires in the Belkin adapter can be used for the audio line out and which for power? I would be interested in building my own also.

captaindrewle
02-08-2004, 09:49 PM
Nice going!! I think the custom wiring harness is a great idea. :thumbup:

Can you share the details about which wires in the Belkin adapter can be used for the audio line out and which for power? I would be interested in building my own also.

Thanks! Here is a labeled pic of the Belkin cable.

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=25944

EDIT: Also, these wires are labeled on the circuit board of the cig adaptor.

captaindrewle
02-08-2004, 10:15 PM
Here is some interesting information comparing the iPod's line out with the earphone plug. According to the study cited here (http://members.brabant.chello.nl/~m.heijligers/ipod/measurements.html), the iPod line out has much better sound reproduction as you get down to 20Hz.

mquetel
02-08-2004, 11:14 PM
More great info... Thanks!! :thumbup: :thumbup:

captaindrewle
02-09-2004, 08:43 PM
giddyup requested details of where I ran the aux cable. Description follows..


This is an overview with the yellow arrows pointing to various locations of the aux cable. I used one zip tie at the location of the middle arrow to anchor the aux cable to a larger cable.

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=25974

This is a picture of the space where the head unit resides. You will need to route the aux cable from the back of the space (top arrow) under a thin metal plate and then down behind the environment control unit (bottom arrow). This route is necessary for the head unit to be able to fit back in the slot without running into the aux cable.

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=25975

The aux cable has a clear path down to the right of the shifter and all the way to the back of that area.

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=25976

There is enough space under the shifter trim to route the aux cable back to the eurotray. You may want to loosen up the shifter trim by unscrewing the two screws (one of which can be seen just above the arrow). Also, in order to lift the center console like I am, you will need to unscrew the screws on the backside of the center console. See this link for information on taking apart the center console (http://www.pbase.com/jeffwong/centerconsole). Edit: I also used one zip tie to attach the aux cable to the emergency light/door lock cable also seen here.

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=25977

Hope this helps!

flashinthepan
02-09-2004, 08:52 PM
Capt-

Nice going man !! excellent pics. :thumbup:

captaindrewle
02-09-2004, 09:02 PM
Capt-

Nice going man !! excellent pics. :thumbup:


Thanks :)

That one pic with all the guts hanging out still disturbs me every time I look at it. :cry: But everything came back together just like new, so it's all good.

giddyup
02-09-2004, 09:50 PM
captaindrewle - this is great! this is exactly what i wanted to do when i installed the aux-input adapter back in june. but i ended up just installing it in the glove box per standard instructions.

this looks like the way to do it. with the rolltop euro-tray, you can conceal the ipod without ever disconnecting. you just have to remember to pause the ipod, so it doesn't completely drain its battery each time you turn off your car.

how easy is it to use the jog dial in that position? i would imagine it's pretty easy.

giddyup!

captaindrewle
02-09-2004, 10:22 PM
captaindrewle - this is great! this is exactly what i wanted to do when i installed the aux-input adapter back in june. but i ended up just installing it in the glove box per standard instructions.

this looks like the way to do it. with the rolltop euro-tray, you can conceal the ipod without ever disconnecting. you just have to remember to pause the ipod, so it doesn't completely drain its battery each time you turn off your car.

how easy is it to use the jog dial in that position? i would imagine it's pretty easy.

giddyup!

Great, I hope I helped you out a bit! :thumbup:

The jog dial is accessible, but since the iPod sits a few inches deep in the eurotray, it is difficult to navigate the menus from a driving position. What I have done is just pick the playlist I want before I start driving and if I want to advance the track while driving, I feel around for the fast forward button without looking down. For long road trips, I will probably pull the iPod out of the tray or lay it on top of the closed rolltop so I can read the display while driving.

elbert
02-09-2004, 10:31 PM
Maybe you can throw in a big chunk of black foam, cut to fit the bottom of the eurotray, to help the iPod sit higher. And then cut another piece that would surround the iPod to prevent it from moving around during cornering. Fancier yet, have a little cutout for your thumb/finger, making it easier to pull the iPod out.

That custom harness is pretty slick :thumbup:

BJSteffes
02-11-2004, 12:23 PM
Any chance you can build on of the custom adapter and sell them?

I know I would buy one...and I am sure I am not alone.

Very nice install!

Tanning machine
02-11-2004, 01:45 PM
I made an 18 pin connector from an old cd-rom drive IDE connector (to get power from the cell phone harness) and chopped off a 3.5mm connector from some old earphones (to connect to the aux cable). Luckily, the Frankenstein part of the cable is neatly hidden under the center console.

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This is great stuff! Thanks for the posts. :thumbup:

Where/how did you connect the power into the car?

captaindrewle
02-11-2004, 06:30 PM
Any chance you can build on of the custom adapter and sell them?

I know I would buy one...and I am sure I am not alone.

Very nice install!

I would be happy to sell some custom adaptors, but I would need to find a cheaper way to get the iPod dock connector. Those Belkin auto kits list for $40 and I'm throwing away the most expensive part of the cable. Add in the cost of an 18-pin connector, 3.5mm connector, and labor and it would get pretty expensive..

I don't think the regular Apple firewire cables will do because I doubt they have the extra wires for line out audio.

Any ideas?

captaindrewle
02-11-2004, 06:44 PM
This is great stuff! Thanks for the posts. :thumbup:

Where/how did you connect the power into the car?

Tell me if I'm answering your question correctly.

I get power to the iPod via the existing BMW cell phone wiring harness. It is located under your center console and accessible just by removing the cupholders+change tray. It is wrapped in a thin foam sheet (top arrow). The power comes from the wider of the two connectors of the harness (bottom arrow). I posted the exact pins that provide power in this thread (http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showpost.php?p=647451&postcount=12).

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=26070

Tanning machine
02-11-2004, 08:15 PM
Tell me if I'm answering your question correctly.

I get power to the iPod via the existing BMW cell phone wiring harness. It is located under your center console and accessible just by removing the cupholders+change tray. It is wrapped in a thin foam sheet (top arrow). The power comes from the wider of the two connectors of the harness (bottom arrow). I posted the exact pins that provide power in this thread (http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showpost.php?p=647451&postcount=12).

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Thanks. That's what I was asking about. Guess it means you can't do the cellphone kit too, though.

As for the cable, one way, although more expensive, would be to use the ipod charging cradle, plus the belkin lighther adapter (without line out), plus a short male-male patch cord from the cradle to the aux-in. I doubt that would be better though.

anon
02-11-2004, 09:12 PM
man, that is one awesome setup...

if you ever plan on making custom kits and selling them let me know...

karrickk
06-03-2004, 03:02 PM
Tell me if I'm answering your question correctly.

I get power to the iPod via the existing BMW cell phone wiring harness. It is located under your center console and accessible just by removing the cupholders+change tray. It is wrapped in a thin foam sheet (top arrow). The power comes from the wider of the two connectors of the harness (bottom arrow). I posted the exact pins that provide power in this thread (http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showpost.php?p=647451&postcount=12).

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=26070


Just to clarity is "Switched Power" the kind that turns off a few seconds after you turn the ignition off? Also, did you have to remove the center console to get the the cellphone harness? I've taken the eurotray and changetray off and I can barely see the harness. If i reach for it, my pinky finger barely touches it. Just wondering if there's an easier way to get at this part without disassembling the car.

Thanks.

DC330i
06-04-2004, 04:05 PM
I'd be interested in buying a custom cable too!

One problem I have with the whole Belkin/aux in the glove compartment approach is that I have to unplug everything when I shut the car down, including the Belkin adapter because it seems to draw power on its own (not sure how much but the light stays on) even without the iPod plugged in :dunno: . It would be great to be able to keep everything plugged in (or at the very least keep the cable plugged in but not the iPod). So, how does the power situation work in this whole setup?

Great install! :thumbup:

captaindrewle
06-04-2004, 10:43 PM
Just to clarity is "Switched Power" the kind that turns off a few seconds after you turn the ignition off? Also, did you have to remove the center console to get the the cellphone harness? I've taken the eurotray and changetray off and I can barely see the harness. If i reach for it, my pinky finger barely touches it. Just wondering if there's an easier way to get at this part without disassembling the car.

Thanks.

Yep. Switched power turns on with the key turned to position 2 (i.e. car is running) and turns off when the key is in position 1 (car is off).

My harness was laying almost exactly as you see in that first picture when I removed the cupholder and changetray. You should be able to reach it under the center console without removing the console. The harness is folded under the console, so you should be able to pull on the loop of the harness and work the end out.

captaindrewle
06-04-2004, 10:44 PM
I'd be interested in buying a custom cable too!

One problem I have with the whole Belkin/aux in the glove compartment approach is that I have to unplug everything when I shut the car down, including the Belkin adapter because it seems to draw power on its own (not sure how much but the light stays on) even without the iPod plugged in :dunno: . It would be great to be able to keep everything plugged in (or at the very least keep the cable plugged in but not the iPod). So, how does the power situation work in this whole setup?

Great install! :thumbup:

Thanks :thumbup:

Jesper
06-05-2004, 08:33 AM
I signed up for bimmerfest just for this thread, thought I may be able to add some stuff.

While it is alot neater getting rid of the circuitry, it actually performs a useful function. It will pause the iPod and then the iPod turn off after a few minutes (same as if you hold down the pause key) if the power is lost to the Adapter. ie if it is on switched power. That's supposedly what the ACC wire is for.

Though having said that not all of them seem to pause the iPod when the power is cut. Have a look at this thread for some more info "Auto Off Thread". (http://www.ipodlounge.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=15887&highlight=belkin+pause)

Though if you do run that, you will probably want to rewire the Line-out to bypass the Belkin's built in amplifier for better sound quality. Again a thread for that. (http://www.ipodlounge.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=23478&highlight=belkin+pause)

You could always hardwire the power and hide the adapter behind the dash somewhere, or move it to a smaller plastic box or something.

It is possible to get a line out from a standard firewire cable, though it depends on your soldering skills. Firwire lineout page (http://home.pacbell.net/vsim/) . Basically you can pop open the dock connector and solder some wire to the pins and get a line out signal. You can either run a small wire out the back of the connector or rewire the firewire connector. Then if you get a blank firewire socket just solder to that and have a nice neat easily detachable solution. Another solution, that I haven't seen done yet, would be to use a USB cable, because that has two wires coming out of the dock connector. Unfortunately the wires in the dock connector are extremely small.

Another cheaper alternative is the Sik Imp. (http://www.sik.com/) That lists for $30 and provides lineout and a cigarette charger.

captaindrewle
06-05-2004, 11:03 AM
I signed up for bimmerfest just for this thread, thought I may be able to add some stuff.

While it is alot neater getting rid of the circuitry, it actually performs a useful function. It will pause the iPod and then the iPod turn off after a few minutes (same as if you hold down the pause key) if the power is lost to the Adapter. ie if it is on switched power. That's supposedly what the ACC wire is for.


Jesper, thanks for going through the trouble of joining bimmerfest to contribute this information! I too have noticed that when my iPod is playing and I shut off the ignition, the iPod keeps playing even though 12V power has been switched off. Eventually, the iPod battery will run down. But, if I pause the iPod, it will turn itself off after a few minutes. Of course, I usually take the iPod with me when I leave the car, so I manually shut it off and put it in my pocket.

You've peaked my interest in the ACC wire. For those few times when I leave the iPod in the car and forget to manually turn it off, it would be nice to have that done automatically.

There was also a mention on the ipodlounge forum link that this power-off issue was fixed in firmware v2.2. It looks like it was released on April 28, 2004 and I'm still running v2.1.

I'll report back with my findings.

Jesper
06-05-2004, 11:48 PM
Yeah, for you application because the iPod is so visible the auto pause feature probably isn't that much use. Unless of course you park your car in a garage at home. Though it would be very handy for a concealed install.

To get it to work I would think you would have to connect the wires back up to the Belkin's circuitry. You wouldn't just be able to connect ACC to a switched source.

Tell us what you find. Try first with your v2.1, it may just work.

What I would love would be an easy way to connect the remote to the dock connector, cause if you hardwired your remote you could just easily plug in the dock connecter. Instead of having to connect top and bottom of the iPod.

captaindrewle
06-06-2004, 11:19 AM
Yeah, for you application because the iPod is so visible the auto pause feature probably isn't that much use. Unless of course you park your car in a garage at home. Though it would be very handy for a concealed install.

To get it to work I would think you would have to connect the wires back up to the Belkin's circuitry. You wouldn't just be able to connect ACC to a switched source.

Tell us what you find. Try first with your v2.1, it may just work.

What I would love would be an easy way to connect the remote to the dock connector, cause if you hardwired your remote you could just easily plug in the dock connecter. Instead of having to connect top and bottom of the iPod.

I upgraded to v2.2 and it didn't change anything.

Jesper
06-06-2004, 11:34 AM
I upgraded to v2.2 and it didn't change anything.

That sucks. Did you connect back all the wires (barr the audio signal) to the belkin auto adapter. And then from the cigarette lighter to the 12V switched?

Jesper
06-23-2004, 07:23 AM
I received my Belkin from an American Ebay dealer a couple of days ago. And it works fine and it does pause the iPod when it looses power. So now I just flick the hold switch and take it out of the car, with the knowledge that it will turn off in about a minute or so :)

Tanning machine
08-19-2004, 01:22 PM
Another cheaper alternative is the Sik Imp. (http://www.sik.com/) That lists for $30 and provides lineout and a cigarette charger.

Nice product, it appears.

Anyone tried a similar product, the Pocket Dock (http://www.sendstation.com/), for comparison? It looks pretty good as well--just doesn't ahve the cables.

Raikkonen
08-21-2004, 10:58 AM
two things..

1) the way you guys are settign this up does not allow you to use the controls on the steering column... correct?

2) has anyone had BMW install one for them yet?

thanks

captaindrewle
08-21-2004, 05:42 PM
two things..

1) the way you guys are settign this up does not allow you to use the controls on the steering column... correct?

2) has anyone had BMW install one for them yet?

thanks

1) Correct, the only thing you control through the steering wheel is the volume
2) I personally think installing the aux input cable is a DIY (Do It Yourself) task. However, I've seen some mentions on this board of people having their dealer install it for ~1 hour labor charge.

Please note that this thread discusses the aux input harness. This is not the same thing as the "iPod Your BMW" cable that Apple and BMW teamed up on creating. (I think you already knew that, I just wanted to document it)

Raikkonen
08-22-2004, 04:38 PM
thanks for the help Captain!

smuniak
08-28-2004, 08:54 AM
Whay year and model is this installed in?

I have a '00 528i and want to basically the same thing.

Going to upgrade to a European arm rest and want to access the aux on the back of my head unit. Problem is that no one can tell me how if I ven have a aux input..

Second quesiton - what is the consensus for the right stuff to buy and the right pinouts?

I don want the unit to shutodown when I power down the car...

Steve

captaindrewle
09-05-2004, 08:54 PM
Whay year and model is this installed in?

I have a '00 528i and want to basically the same thing.

Going to upgrade to a European arm rest and want to access the aux on the back of my head unit. Problem is that no one can tell me how if I ven have a aux input..

Second quesiton - what is the consensus for the right stuff to buy and the right pinouts?

I don want the unit to shutodown when I power down the car...

Steve

This is installed on a MY2003 330Ci. Unfortunately, I don't think your bmw has the aux input. I can't remember when they started putting aux inputs on the head units (you can do a search to find out exactly when.. I think it's sometime in 2001).

Deakers
09-06-2004, 06:33 AM
Whay year and model is this installed in?

I have a '00 528i and want to basically the same thing.

Going to upgrade to a European arm rest and want to access the aux on the back of my head unit. Problem is that no one can tell me how if I ven have a aux input..

Second quesiton - what is the consensus for the right stuff to buy and the right pinouts?

I don want the unit to shutodown when I power down the car...

Steve

I think the aux-in facility was from Sept 2002 onwards. However, all is not lost, you can still get an input via the CD changer port by using a Soundgate or Blitzsafe adapter - loads of information on this forum about these.

tom@densionusa
09-08-2004, 10:51 AM
I think the aux-in facility was from Sept 2002 onwards. However, all is not lost, you can still get an input via the CD changer port by using a Soundgate or Blitzsafe adapter - loads of information on this forum about these.

Keep in mind if you go this route, you will trade in your CD Changer for the iPod and still have to navigate via the iPod only - no steering wheel controls or charging will be available.

If your vehicle qualifies for the AUX kit, it's a relatively inexpensive way to get the iPod into your BMW. If you are looking fully integrate the iPod and allow charging and steering wheel controls - go for the Apple/BMW kit or ice>Link.

imtjm
10-05-2004, 12:12 AM
hi, just am looking for ways to install in my wife's car. it looks like what i wanted to do in the first place, but i want to have steering wheel functionality. does anyone know how long the cable for the glove box kit is? i just can't imagine that it would be very difficult to splice the wire to make it a longer run in order to set up installation where you have done so with your belkin kit. i have a gen 1 ipod, and it's suppose to work with the bmw kit right? i thought it looked like there was a headphone type female socket mounted in the dash and then you use a wire to connect to the headphone jack in the ipod. are there different kits for the different ipod generations? thanks.

imtjm
10-05-2004, 12:18 AM
i guess i'm wrong about the bmw ipod wire, it only works with 3rd gen. ipods. i swear i remember seeing the first version of the kit and it had a socket in the glovebox that you connect a headphone connector into it to plug into your ipod.

tom@densionusa
10-05-2004, 01:34 PM
hi, just am looking for ways to install in my wife's car. it looks like what i wanted to do in the first place, but i want to have steering wheel functionality. does anyone know how long the cable for the glove box kit is? i just can't imagine that it would be very difficult to splice the wire to make it a longer run in order to set up installation where you have done so with your belkin kit. i have a gen 1 ipod, and it's suppose to work with the bmw kit right? i thought it looked like there was a headphone type female socket mounted in the dash and then you use a wire to connect to the headphone jack in the ipod. are there different kits for the different ipod generations? thanks.

This would be the AUX connection from BMW - it's about $35. You will not have steering wheel control or a charging source.

If you have a Classic ipod, more than likely the batteries are toast at this point. I would highly recommend the ice>Link at this point, in order to use a power source for your iPod (most important) and steering wheel controls.

dorkus
10-08-2004, 12:50 AM
bump. want to keep this thread handy for when i get my ipod in a couple weeks...

tom@densionusa
10-08-2004, 10:43 AM
bump. want to keep this thread handy for when i get my ipod in a couple weeks...

Here's a few notes if you're about to purchase an iPod:

1. Get the 4th Generation iPod, more than likely this is what will be on your retailer's shelves, but there may be stock left over from the 3G models. The 4G models offer improved battery life and charging through the USB 2.0 port as well as firewire. 3G models would only charge through firewire and had less battery life compared to 4G models.

2. Purchase the largest iPod you can afford. I've never heard anyone complaining about the iPod's storage being too big - you will grow into it (I've been through 3 iPods - a 15G, 20G and now a 40G).

3. Choose where you purchase the iPod. Apple gives a 90 day warranty on the iPod, I'm told that Costco (not confirmed) automatically stacks a 2 year warranty on the iPod+HP version for the same price. Best Buy also has their optional warranty that can warranty the batteries up to 4 years!

phrider
10-08-2004, 11:52 AM
Apple gives a 90 day warranty on the iPod, I'm told that Costco (not confirmed) automatically stacks a 2 year warranty on the iPod+HP version for the same price. Best Buy also has their optional warranty that can warranty the batteries up to 4 years!At my purchase of last December, Apple's warranty was 1 year from an Apple Store.

mottati
10-20-2004, 04:20 PM
Whay year and model is this installed in?

I have a '00 528i and want to basically the same thing.

Going to upgrade to a European arm rest and want to access the aux on the back of my head unit. Problem is that no one can tell me how if I ven have a aux input..

Second quesiton - what is the consensus for the right stuff to buy and the right pinouts?

I don want the unit to shutodown when I power down the car...

Steve

Steve, Your head unit does not currently have an aux input, in fact, the 'head unit' of an e39 is just a switching device, the real 'radio unit' is in the trunk. I recently added the Aux input on my 00 M5, so it can be done, but it takes some work. My M5 has Nav, so this may be different if you don't. You need a later model radio unit, which is mounted in the trunk on an e39 with nav (without nav too, i think), as well as some wiring harness adapters to link the new radio (flat blade connectors) to the old harness (round pins). I did all of this because I wanted Sirius, factory style, on the nav screen. The aux input was a simple bonus while the stuff was taken apart. Check out www.bmwnav.com and look around a bit. they have redesigned the site, but you need to find 'retrofits'. they sell the radio you need there, i got the same radio a little cheaper from a friend at the dealer. All i need to do now is extend the aux input cable to get into the center console, same idea you have, then of course, i need an i pod!
Mike