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rockr777
05-05-2011, 08:05 AM
I did a search on the above key word and couldn't find what I was looking for. I found a hairline scratch on my bumper this morning after a wash and was wondering what product would be good to reduce the visibility. It's not deep enough for touch-up paint but since my paint color is space gray and you can see the white/silver scratch, it's noticeable.

Thanks!

335i Driver
05-05-2011, 09:43 AM
I would first try quixx, has worked well for me on minor scratches and is cheap:
http://www.amazon.com/Quixx-00070-US-Paint-Scratch-Remover/dp/B000UVUAFO

If that doesn't work you'll need to get more aggressive and get a ROB:
http://properautocare.com/witporcabpol.html

Ilovemycar
05-05-2011, 11:18 AM
I would try Meguiars 105 (and 205 after, perhaps) with a ROB.

If you don't want to spend on a ROB, and use something like the 3M chip repair kit, just be careful not to burn the paint (as it seems the bumper paint is softer, perhaps due to added flex agents). You should be fine using a drill-rotary as such, but just make sure an edge doesn't push in; flat and flush.

In my limited experiences, touch up paint doesn't work well on the bumpers anyhow.

edit: Actually, some people apply the 105 compound by hand for this kind of thing I believe, I'm sure you could find info on that with some online searches . . . let us know what you do and how it goes, good luck . . .

Angelo@properautocare.com
05-06-2011, 05:19 AM
If your going by the way of using human power, then try Meguiars Scratch X 2.0 (http://properautocare.com/mescxscre.html),Meguiar's Ultimate Compound (http://properautocare.com/meulco.html)or Meguiar's M105 Ultra Cut Compound (http://properautocare.com/m10508.html), with our foam applicator (http://properautocare.com/applicators.html)or our Power Scrubber Microfiber Applicator Pad (http://properautocare.com/powscrubmica.html) and one of these will do the trick.

dboy11
05-06-2011, 07:11 AM
Angelo

I realize that you are a site sponsors here. I can't help but to notice that every time you or the others that work for PAC, offer up advice to a detailing question. It comes with a plug for JUST your line of product. I got the reason why your doing it, but really it cheapens the forum IMO. Are you really trying to find the BEST solution or just sell your products at the cost of it not really being the best advice / solution for the OP?



If your going by the way of using human power, then try Meguiars Scratch X 2.0 (http://properautocare.com/mescxscre.html),Meguiar's Ultimate Compound (http://properautocare.com/meulco.html)or Meguiar's M105 Ultra Cut Compound (http://properautocare.com/m10508.html), with our foam applicator (http://properautocare.com/applicators.html)or our Power Scrubber Microfiber Applicator Pad (http://properautocare.com/powscrubmica.html) and one of these will do the trick.


http://properautocare.com/meulco.html

http://properautocare.com/mescxscre.html

http://properautocare.com/m10508.html

http://properautocare.com/powscrubmica.html

http://properautocare.com/applicators.html

Todd@properautocare.com
05-06-2011, 10:02 AM
Angelo

I realize that you are a site sponsors here. I can't help but to notice that every time you or the others that work for PAC, offer up advice to a detailing question. It comes with a plug for JUST your line of product. I got the reason why your doing it, but really it cheapens the forum IMO. Are you really trying to find the BEST solution or just sell your products at the cost of it not really being the best advice / solution for the OP?

While I don't want to speak for Angelo, you did address "others that work for PAC" so I feel entitled to respond on that merit along.

It comes with a plug for JUST your line of product.

In the post above I see that Angelo has recommended products from Meguiar's. Meguiar's is certainly not a Proper Auto Care brand, but it is a brand that we happen to carry. To suggest that Angelo or I 'plug' JUST our brand of products (Blackfire/Eimann Fabrik/Black Baron) is completely inaccurate, IMO. Proper Auto Care is one of the oldest (to my knowledge THE oldest) online retailers of boutique detailing products, and has remained unique and true to our routes. We don't carry every brand under the sun, but rather focus on the highest quality and best performing brands we can carry. As such, we are generally not only able to offer solutions with products that we carry, but offer what we feel are the best solutions while still staying in-store.

I got the reason why your doing it, but really it cheapens the forum IMO.

Again I disagree, but I do understand your position. If we were a single product manufacturer (ie Meguiar's, Mother's, etc) and only offered our products as solutions, would you feel the same way?

Particularly in the case of the above, Angelo is recommending (and I agree) Meguiar's products for the job. IMO, Meguiar's makes the best hand polishing products do to their SMAT abrasive technology. This is not a house brand recommendation, like other vendor's are famous for, but rather an honest recommendation on a brand we carry. How this cheapens the forum is beyond my comprehension.

Your frustration seems to be aimed more at the commercial aspect of any forum, rather than at Angelo or myself.

Are you really trying to find the BEST solution or just sell your products at the cost of it not really being the best advice / solution for the OP?

This is a loaded question. Because we carry such a large inventory of different products, in order to offer the BEST solution for various detailing problems, it makes it hard to have knowledge of all of the other lines of products available. Obviously everybody has their favorite product lines and thus different solutions for problems, they may not agree with our recommendations. However we are only mostly familiar with what we sell.

What I gather, from your post, is that you would be happier if we sometimes recommended products that we didn't sell (and thus have very limited knowledge with) and this would somehow make the forum richer?

Also, you highlighted the word BEST, as in "BEST solution." I have been detailing a while, at a very high level, and I will be the first to tell you that there is no such thing as a best solution. There is only what works best for certain people, and everybody has their favorites.

So we are never trying to offer the best solution, since this is a term based on personal opinion, but rather offer up a solution that we know is going to work. We cannot do that if we suggest products we are not familiar with, and thus this, IMO, would work to cheapen the forum.

335i Driver
05-06-2011, 11:43 AM
Todd, I tend to agree with dboy. Instead of posting techniques on how to remove scratches like I did, (and incidently from your website to actually give you some exposure) Angelo posted a list of products. The technique is far more important than the product as there are plenty of excellent scratch removers and compounds on the market, some you carry some you don't.

That said, I've tried Meguiars Scratch remover and compound, and others too, and Quixx works better than anything I've tried on minor scratches. In fact, using it with a ROB it's amazing. And I say that as a good PAC customer.

Angelo@properautocare.com
05-06-2011, 01:44 PM
How bout that above now?

dboy11
05-06-2011, 04:19 PM
Todd, I tend to agree with dboy. Instead of posting techniques on how to remove scratches like I did, (and incidently from your website to actually give you some exposure) Angelo posted a list of products. The technique is far more important than the product as there are plenty of excellent scratch removers and compounds on the market, some you carry some you don't.

That said, I've tried Meguiars Scratch remover and compound, and others too, and Quixx works better than anything I've tried on minor scratches. In fact, using it with a ROB it's amazing. And I say that as a good PAC customer.


Todd , This is what I am talking about. product is 20% processes or technique is the rest IMO..With well over 30 years of hands on detailing experience I can speak at any level of detailing. If you look at the answers that I provide here. I suggest products that I have used coupled with how to use them point to point. You have to assume that the OP knows nothing and the reason they are seeking advice. I don't see you or Angelo posting how the product is used, but more of links to products. Lets say that the OP takes your advice and buys the product, but has no clue how to use it, other than what's printed on the bottle. What really do you think the results are going to be?

That said I know that your sponsors and want to sell product, there would be no other reason to he one other wise. Where we don't have to agree, its just something that I've noticed about your and Angelos postings. Feel free to comment on any of mine.

Todd@properautocare.com
05-08-2011, 08:08 PM
Todd , This is what I am talking about. product is 20% processes or technique is the rest IMO..With well over 30 years of hands on detailing experience I can speak at any level of detailing. If you look at the answers that I provide here. I suggest products that I have used coupled with how to use them point to point. You have to assume that the OP knows nothing and the reason they are seeking advice. I don't see you or Angelo posting how the product is used, but more of links to products. Lets say that the OP takes your advice and buys the product, but has no clue how to use it, other than what's printed on the bottle. What really do you think the results are going to be?

That said I know that your sponsors and want to sell product, there would be no other reason to he one other wise. Where we don't have to agree, its just something that I've noticed about your and Angelos postings. Feel free to comment on any of mine.

I didn't get the point of your first post, but I also agree with what you (and dboy) are saying. Education (process is majority of battle) and education is key.

I have tried to post numerous educational articles

How to Remove Waxes and Sealants (http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=520267&highlight=)

How to Clean your Engine (http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=522451&highlight=)

How to Polish Aluminum (http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=536968&highlight=)

How to create a smooth paint finish (http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=526334&highlight=)

How to care for your windshield (http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=530828&highlight=)

Aggressiveness as it relates to paint polishing (http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=530818&highlight=)

Given that these are just threads I have started vs. posts I have made (and I have only 38, still kind of new here) I think I'm doing a pretty good job. Obviously I am going to suggest a product that we sell if I feel it does the job, I don't think anybody who appreciates this forum and appreciates the paying vendors that make this place possible (on a finanical basis, obviously a forum is truly made possible by the members).

But I completely agree that we need to focus on education, and I honestly apologize if you think that is somewhere we are lacking. :thumbup: