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sd330Ci
08-24-2011, 07:08 PM
It looks like X1 will not be coming to US
http://www.bmwblog.com/2011/08/22/bmw-x1-is-indefinitely-postponed-for-us-market/

So what other options to get small SUV with all wheel drive and manual (excluding Subaru)?

AzNMpower32
08-24-2011, 07:37 PM
Don't need an SUV; the 3er touring fits the bill. It's not like the X1 has stellar cargo capacity, and the 3er rides better. Then there are the hatchbacks like the VW Golf and the Ford Focus, both of which have excellent manual gearboxes. I would know, I've driven both.

There aren't many places that need AWD. The VW Tiguan and Hyundai Tucson come in base form with MT.

It's not like the X1 in North America has an MT available anyway. Let's be honest, the American market, heck, even the world market just doesn't care for manuals in trucks anymore. Even the Germans are gravitating towards the 8AT in the X3 because the 6MT doesn't quite work as well.

SilverX3
08-25-2011, 02:20 AM
would not surprise me if BMW rush into mid-life upgrading the X1 to compete with better equipped Q3

kyfdx
08-25-2011, 07:09 AM
I'm not surprised...

We are looking at doing a 24 month lease soon... I'll be very surprised if the X1 is here by the time we are up, in two years..

sd330Ci
08-25-2011, 08:31 AM
There aren't many places that need AWD. The VW Tiguan and Hyundai Tucson come in base form with MT.


Both are not available with AWD and manual in US.

I need winter weekend car to go skiing, ice climbing, hiking in the mountains.
My daily driver is BMW 1M, which I would not want to take there even with snow tires.

So I need small SUV/wagon with manual and AWD.
The only option comes to mind is MINI Countrymen.

Reedo302
08-29-2011, 08:54 AM
Given the delay already, this announcement does not surprise me. It annoys the hell out of me, but it does not surprise me. Looks like I'll have to find another AWD SUV with good gas mileage. Not an easy task, though.




There aren't many places that need AWD. The VW Tiguan and Hyundai Tucson come in base form with MT.



AWD is not NEEDED, but it's very nice to have. It is advantageous in numerous states. Basically any state north of Missouri has sizable snow falls, and for those of us that live in the upper states of the US, we have significant snow falls.
Audi and Subaru do extremely well in the northern US due to their AWD systems. BMW xDrive cars sell very well up here as well.

iamthewalrus
08-30-2011, 07:19 AM
I'll keep driving my 2006 X3 3.0i manual/m-sport/premium and not worry about it for now. But when the time comes to replace it, I'm hoping there's an X1 manual available here in the US. I'm just not interested in driving an automatic, so that really limits the options. Fortunately, I also really like the new VW GTI and Audi A4.
Speaking of which, after driving my father's 2009 Audi A4 Avant 2.0T Quattro all week, I'm definitely a fan. The 4-cylinder turbo has more than enough grunt to merge safely even on New York's parkways (Belt, Wantaugh, Southern State, etc.) with their short on ramps and the LIE.

-James
Seattle, WA
2006 X3 3.0i manual, m-sport, premium, xenons, PDC

bredi
09-03-2011, 10:44 AM
This is disappointing.

I had an X3, but went back to a 335 because I missed the sport feeling and didn't need the SUV aspects as much as I thought. I really wanted the X1 as the second car. Best of both. The size is perfect! Especially since the new X3 is even bigger.

Oh well. VW Tiguan, Audi A3, or Subaru then.

Evlengr
09-04-2011, 02:22 AM
If not mentioned the mini cooper countryman can be had with MT and fully loaded with everything for under $34k msrp. I am sure you could get another 2k knocked off that easily.

http://www.miniusa.com/mini-cooper-s-top-features.html#/learn/FACTS_FEATURES_SPECS/Top_Features-m

Would have to get the S version as the regular just doesnt cut it.

Also, look at this way. We let the EU and Canadians work out all the bugs that every first year gen BMW always has. Lol.

sd330Ci
09-04-2011, 06:13 AM
Countryman Cooper S ALL 4 is the only option and it comes under 30K with options I want.
(all other models are FWD).

Looks like everybody likes how it drives, need to try for myself.

bredi
09-04-2011, 10:16 PM
YES! I saw that while browsing for a 335d. It is cool. How does the Mini Countryman S AWD compare size wise to the X1?

sd330Ci
09-05-2011, 06:21 AM
It's shorter than X1 - more like Audi A3 but wider.
70.4" x 161.8" for MINI
70.8" x 175.4" for X1

sd330Ci
09-07-2011, 10:22 AM
BMW X1 vs. Mini Countryman
http://e84.xbimmers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=423908

bredi
09-07-2011, 10:34 AM
BMW X1 vs. Mini Countryman
http://e84.xbimmers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=423908

Wow. thanks! I parked next to one. Out of the corner of my eye I saw a mini. But then when I got out of my 335, I realized it was not a mini, mini. It is a nice size. But, it still felt a bit small, only because my brain keeps telling me the design is a mini.

it quite strange how the brain can do that.

thanks for posting! Exactly what I was hoping for. Its the overall size "impression" that I was missing.

bredi
09-07-2011, 11:43 AM
:mad:
Now I really, really want the X1. It doesn't make sense NOT to bring the X1 here.
Is it because of supply issues? ie selling so well everywhere else?

Model change over? engine changes to Turbo4s?

X1 Diesel. Done deal! It would be such a hit. This doesn't make sense. I don't see how it would take away from X3 sales. They are so different in size.

What is the REAL reasoning?
:dunno:

sd330Ci
09-08-2011, 07:52 AM
I think it just much more profitable for BMW to sell X3 in US because of USD/EUR exchange rates.

jman103099
09-08-2011, 09:41 AM
I think it just much more profitable for BMW to sell X3 in US because of USD/EUR exchange rates.

Bingo.

I've also been thinking I'd replace my X3 with an X1... maybe not now. Maybe they'll bring over the F30 in wagon form! :D

bredi
09-08-2011, 10:30 AM
I think selling an X1 is more profitable than someone buying a Audi or Subaru.

Zeke77
09-10-2011, 11:33 AM
i think selling an x1 is more profitable than someone buying a audi or subaru.

+1

sd330Ci
09-10-2011, 04:35 PM
Not really
In Canada X1 MSRP is 38500 CAD for base model.
X3 base price in USA is 37750 USD
To sell X1 in US you have set X1 price lower than X3 by about 4000 USD, that means selling car at loss.

sd330Ci
09-10-2011, 05:59 PM
Small correction: X3 base price is $36,750 in US

UncleJ
10-22-2011, 08:24 AM
The Subies are pretty well entrenched in the small SUV/Hatchback AWD niche and most offer the MT with a fine AWD system. Perhaps BMW's research doesn't find a large enough market for the X1 here? I suspect when the Q3 arrives they will reconsider.:D

sd330Ci
10-28-2011, 03:50 PM
I gave up waiting and ordered Mini Countryman ALL4 with MT.
Don't like Subaru: too big, too soft, too boring.

Jon Shafer
10-29-2011, 09:19 AM
I gave up waiting and ordered Mini Countryman ALL4 with MT.
Don't like Subaru: too big, too soft, too boring.

Sounds like you gave up too soon...

:(



http://bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=578029

BMWfanatic87
10-29-2011, 09:46 AM
Isn't the X1 and X3 exactly the same in dimensions? So whats the point?

Jon Shafer
10-29-2011, 10:52 AM
Isn't the X1 and X3 exactly the same in dimensions? So whats the point?


Not everything is about size... ;)

I can think of at least a few potential ways to pitch a less expensive vehicle.

sd330Ci
10-29-2011, 02:38 PM
Sounds like you gave up too soon...

I am pretty sure MT will not be available anyway (same as in Canada)

AzNMpower32
10-29-2011, 02:49 PM
Isn't the X1 and X3 exactly the same in dimensions? So whats the point?
Well, I've sat in both side to side and the X1 feels more compact and the interior design, from the E87/E90, feels a bit more utilitarian which I like and I'm sure younger folks would too. I wasn't able to drive the two (being in a foreign country) but I think it's safe to say the X1 is the spritual successor to the E83 X3, whereas the F25 X3 is more an old E53 X5. It certainly doesn't have the same agility and sprightly feel as the old X3, but is more a comfortable "all-rounder".

Everyone's got different priorities and expectations in a vehicle. The new X3 just doesn't cut it for me, but then again I probably drive my E83 more aggressively on curvy and mountainous roads. I was on a backroad near Galax, VA last weekend and lets just say I wouldn't want to have the new X3 on this road :eeps:, especially with the sheer size and lightweight steering. I rounded the hairpins like this at 50km/h and the newer BMWs just don't communicate with the driver as well as the ones of old.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v31/AzN1MpOrT2nR/Blue%20Ridge%20Parkway/CIMG4370.jpg

BruceOmega
10-31-2011, 02:00 PM
Well, I've sat in both side to side and the X1 feels more compact and the interior design, from the E87/E90, feels a bit more utilitarian which I like and I'm sure younger folks would too. I wasn't able to drive the two (being in a foreign country) but I think it's safe to say the X1 is the spritual successor to the E83 X3, whereas the F25 X3 is more an old E53 X5. It certainly doesn't have the same agility and sprightly feel as the old X3, but is more a comfortable "all-rounder".

Everyone's got different priorities and expectations in a vehicle. The new X3 just doesn't cut it for me, but then again I probably drive my E83 more aggressively on curvy and mountainous roads. I was on a backroad near Galax, VA last weekend and lets just say I wouldn't want to have the new X3 on this road :eeps:, especially with the sheer size and lightweight steering. I rounded the hairpins like this at 50km/h and the newer BMWs just don't communicate with the driver as well as the ones of old.


I agree with you on the feel of the new X3 compared to the old X3. But in my opinion our 2011 X3 handles better than our 2006 X3 (non sport with 18" wheels). The cornering ability with SAP and DHP with everything in Sport setting belies the feel of the vehicle.

My test drive was Rte 211 west from Sperryville uphill to Skyline Drive, a stretch I've driven in the past with the '06 X3 which was no slouch in the handling department.

Bruce

AzNMpower32
10-31-2011, 04:03 PM
US 211 looks pretty tame. In fact, it's the first time I've ever seen a road in Virginia with an uphill overtaking lane (didn't know they built those in the state).

Most of the roads I've driven are in the western and SW part of the state. US 33 in Rockingham county is probably the best bet close to northern VA. US 250 in Highland county is brilliant near the Highland/Augusta county line, and there's many branching off the Blue Ridge Parkway. They really are "mess up and you're in the guardrail or off the mountain" type roads that are quite narrow, some without runoff room or shoulders. :eeps:. Heck I even feel the X3 is a bit big on them!

BruceOmega
11-01-2011, 11:47 AM
US 211 looks pretty tame. In fact, it's the first time I've ever seen a road in Virginia with an uphill overtaking lane (didn't know they built those in the state).

Most of the roads I've driven are in the western and SW part of the state. US 33 in Rockingham county is probably the best bet close to northern VA. US 250 in Highland county is brilliant near the Highland/Augusta county line, and there's many branching off the Blue Ridge Parkway. They really are "mess up and you're in the guardrail or off the mountain" type roads that are quite narrow, some without runoff room or shoulders. :eeps:. Heck I even feel the X3 is a bit big on them!

I've driven those roads and others, all a lot of fun. I was citing a specific case where I have driven both old and new X3s on the same road for an apples to apples comparison.

Should probably take old vs new X3 discussions to an X3 thread.

Bruce

Reedo302
11-05-2011, 10:34 AM
I'm getting a Mazda CX-5.
Not gonna wait for BMW to make up their mind about this thing.

http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/wp-content/uploads//2011/04/minagilive.jpg

AzNMpower32
11-05-2011, 06:48 PM
I'm getting a Mazda CX-5.
Not gonna wait for BMW to make up their mind about this thing.

http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/wp-content/uploads//2011/04/minagilive.jpg
I read somewhere that Mazda might bring a diesel CX-5?

Reedo302
11-06-2011, 12:06 PM
I read somewhere that Mazda might bring a diesel CX-5?

Yep, it's been confirmed. The SKYACTIV-G (gas) is coming in around February or March of 2012. The SKYACTIV-D (diesel) is coming in early 2013. It's a staged introduction. I wish it were the other way around, because the diesel is slated to have 310lb-ft of torque, with 165bhp.

http://www.mazda.com/mazdaspirit/skyactiv/engine/skyactiv-d.html

http://www.insideline.com/mazda/cx-5/mazda-skyactiv-d-22-clean-diesel-heads-to-us-in-early-2013.html

Shark06
11-18-2011, 07:16 PM
Just saw an X1 on I-15 northbound in SD County. Kinda nice. Is that car a test-bed or production??

Jon Shafer
11-18-2011, 07:41 PM
Just saw an X1 on I-15 northbound in SD County. Kinda nice. Is that car a test-bed or production??

Test mule...

Jimmy101
11-22-2011, 10:13 PM
It was probably a mexican x1, I see tons of them all the time here in san diego with baja license plates, as well as in tijuana, they are quite popular.