1er weights

[Alex Baumann]

116i - 1280 kg - 2821 lb
120i - 1335 kg - 2943 lb
118d - 1385 kg - 3053 lb
120d - 1415 kg - 3119 lb

Includes 90% full tank, 150 lb driver and 15 lb luggage.

[nate]

So, 2778lbs for a 120i...

That's what, about 200lbs more than an E30 318?

[MiniRoll]

116i - 1280 kg - 2821 lb
120i - 1335 kg - 2943 lb
118d - 1385 kg - 3053 lb
120d - 1415 kg - 3119 lb

Includes 90% full tank, 150 lb driver and 15 lb luggage.

Alex

How did you get this information? Any news yet on the expected prices in the UK?

Cheers!

[Alex Baumann]

Alex

How did you get this information? Any news yet on the expected prices in the UK?

Cheers!

Hello,

welcome to the board.

I have received the pre-launch mini-booklet from the dealer today. The prices should be available soon, but no official date yet.

[MiniRoll]

Thanks for the welcome!

I phoned a dealer today and was told they had expected the prices on 23 March 2004 - they've put me on a list for info as soon as it arrives - which means I'll be sent it 3 months after it's common knowledge!!

Anyway, the weights look good - the 120d is about 35kg lighter than the current 320d compact and it's got more BHP and torque. Should be quite fast.

[Dr. Phil]

116i - 1280 kg - 2821 lb
120i - 1335 kg - 2943 lb
118d - 1385 kg - 3053 lb
120d - 1415 kg - 3119 lb

Includes 90% full tank, 150 lb driver and 15 lb luggage.
I guess I can not take any luggage and should lose ~ 50 lbs to match these numbers :cry: :eeps:

[Alex Baumann]

Anyway, the weights look good - the 120d is about 35kg lighter than the current 320d compact and it's got more BHP and torque. Should be quite fast.

Indeed. The performance figures for the 120d is pretty promising.

163hp, 0-100 km/h in 7.9 secs and a top speed of 220 km/h.

[Alex Baumann]

I guess I can not take any luggage and should lose ~ 50 lbs to match these numbers :cry: :eeps:

Sure you can, stop eating M&Ms :D :angel: :p

[Dr. Phil]

Sure you can, stop eating M&Ms :D :angel: :p
:lmao:

I need to support local business though :bigpimp:

Actually I am starting new program this week. Brought in new sneakers to work to walk over lunch, told the Mrs. no more Dorito's in the house and back to doing outside yard work/etc :thumbup:

[andy_thomas]

Alex

How did you get this information? Any news yet on the expected prices in the UK?

Cheers!

I'm not Alex - but just over £15k for the base model, since you ask. Autocar 23 March will have this information.

[nudel]

Hello guys,

I have some datas of the new 1 series from the german brochure:

Standard equipment (german specification):

116i/118d:

ABS
Driver- and co-driver Airbag
Head protection airbags front and rear
Sidebags front
Disc brakes front, air cooled
Disc brakes rear
Adaptive brake lights
Dynamic stability control
Runflat tires
Tire pressure warning system
Five automatic seatbelts
Side impact protection system
Power steering
Board computer with Check-Control
Electrical windows front
Start-/Stop-button
Electrical mirrors painted in body colour
White blinkers
Bumpers partially painted in body colour
Door handles painted in black
Steel wheels with plastic covers, 6x16 rims with 185/60 R 16
Interior trim silver
Upholstery cloth Moiré

120i/120d, additional to 116i/118d:

Electrical windows rear
Interior trim flat titanium
Heated mirrors
Complete bumpers and door handles painted in body colour
Air cooled rear disc brakes (120d only)
Steel wheels with plastic covers, 6,5x16 rims with 195/55 R 16

Optional equipment

Alarm system
Fog lights (heated mirrors included)
Park distance control front and rear
Rain sensor
Headlight wash system
Bi-Xenon headlights with wash system and angel eyes
6 speed automatic gearbox with steptronic (120i/d only)
Sport suspension
Front armrest
Electrical windows rear (116i/118d only)
Cupholder front
Electrical sunroof (glass)
Interior trim Aluminium codiac silver (shown in official pictures) or gomera black
Manual air conditioning
Automatic air conditioning
Sport steering wheel in leather
Multifunction sport steering wheel
Navigation system Business DVD with LC-Display, I-Drive and Radio Business, without CD-player
Navigation system Professional DVD with 16:9 colour monitor, I-Drive and Radio Business
CD-changer for 6 CDs
Hifi-loudspeeker system
Hifi-system Professional
Radio BMW Audio
Radio BMW Business CD
Radio BMW Professional
Heated front seats
Electric adjustable front seats
Front sport seats
Cellphone preparation without or with Bluetooth
Exterior in body colour (door handles and complete bumpers), 116i/118d only
Metallic paint
Alloy wheels Radial spoke 139 with 195/55 R 16 on 6,5x16 rims
Alloy wheels Star spoke 140 with 205/55 R 16 on 7x16 rims
Alloy wheels Star spoke 151 with 205/55 R 16 on 7x16 rims
Alloy wheels V-spoke 141 with 205/50 R 17 on 7x17 rims
Alloy wheels Star spoke 142 with 205/50 R 17 on 7x17 rims front and 225/45 R 17 on 7,5x17 rims rear (shown in official pictures)
Upholstery cloth Motion/Sensatec
Upholstery leather Boston

Available colours:

Non-Metallic:

Black
Japanese red
Nautic bue (dark blue)
Alpine white

Metallic:

Black sapphire
Sparkling graphite (dark gray, looks like E46-Steel gray, shown in official pictures)
Havanna (light brown, greetings from Fidel Castro :D )
Sydney blue (looks like E46-Topaz blue )
Sonora (darker brown, looks like sh*t :tsk: )
Quartz blue (darker than Bluewater from the X3 series, shown in official pictures)
Titanium silver

Available interior colours:

Cloth Moiré:

Anthracite
Alaska gray

Cloth Motion/Sensatec:

Alaska gray
Sydney blue
Sonora
Graphite

Leather Boston:

Alaska gray (shown in official pictures)
Beige (cockpit in black)
Beige (cockpit in Havanna)
Havanna
Black

An 118i with a 2.0 litre Valvetronic engine with 129 HP is announced for December 2004.

The prognosticated price for an 116i is less than 20.000 Euros, but you can see, that the standard equipment is on a low level.:rolleyes:

Hope you understand my english!:eek::D

Bye!
Daniel

@Alex Baumann: Bist Du der "Deckard" aus dem BMW-Treff? Verzeih mein Schul-Englisch von vor 10 Jahren....:rolleyes:

[ObD]

I-drive optional :clap: Just say NO.

[TD]

So a 120d is only 56 lbs lighter than my M3.

Remind me again why BMW is bothering with this 1/2 series? I thought the point was to have a small, lightweight model.

So much for that.

[nate]

So a 120d is only 56 lbs lighter than my M3.

Remind me again why BMW is bothering with this 1/2 series? I thought the point was to have a small, lightweight model.

So much for that.

Use your brain for a change.

Diesels are much heavier than standard gasoline engines.

Also, that weight listed is with driver and luggage. US curb weights are without driver.

A 120i is 400lbs lighter than your M3.

[AB]

Use your brain for a change.



:eek:

[TD]

Use your brain for a change.

Diesels are much heavier than standard gasoline engines.

Also, that weight listed is with driver and luggage. US curb weights are without driver.

A 120i is 400lbs lighter than your M3.
Who needs to use their brain?

A 120i is 232 lbs lighter than my M3.

[nate]

Who needs to use their brain?

A 120i is 232 lbs lighter than my M3.
The weight you are using for the E36 M3 does NOT include a 150lb driver and 15lbs of luggage.

120i - 1335 kg - 2943 lb

Includes 90% full tank, 150 lb driver and 15 lb luggage.

You are comparing curb weight to a loaded weight. That is not valid.

Use your brain.

[TD]

Then dispute the original 56 lb different I quoted.

And, this is all a distraction from the fact that those cars are not light.

[nate]

Then dispute the original 56 lb different I quoted.

And, this is all a distraction from the fact that those cars are not light.
Do I really need to spell it out to you?

Yes, a 120d WITH a 150lb driver and 15lbs of luggage is 56lbs less than an EMPTY E36 M3.

But, you are comparing DIFFERENT MEASURES. Do you really not see the difference?

[andy_thomas]

Then dispute the original 56 lb different I quoted.


OK. As everyone will point out, comparisons can only be made like for like. A 120d with four German businessmen and a full trunk of luggage probably weighs 400 lb more than your M36 M3. Your E36 M3 with a similar complement probably weighs 600 or 700lb more than a completely unloaded 120i (a car which will never be measured that way because it will never be sold in a market which quotes - arguably, pointlessly - weight figures without driver or fuel).

OK? Or shall I throw a 1,000 lb lead slab into the trunk so you can *really* make your point? :)


And, this is all a distraction from the fact that those cars are not light.


It's a pointless distraction which is also a waste of time! No-one is disputing the fact that the 1er is not particularly light. But compared to the opposition (do you know what the intended opposition of this car is?) it is not heavy.

[Alex Baumann]

@Alex Baumann: Bist Du der "Deckard" aus dem BMW-Treff? Verzeih mein Schul-Englisch von vor 10 Jahren....:rolleyes:

Hallo Daniel !

Herzlich Willkommen im Bimmerfest :)

Jo, der Deckard bin ich. Das mit dem Englisch funzt super, macht Dir keine Gedanken :D

[KatanaPilot]

116i - 1280 kg - 2821 lb
120i - 1335 kg - 2943 lb
118d - 1385 kg - 3053 lb
120d - 1415 kg - 3119 lb

Includes 90% full tank, 150 lb driver and 15 lb luggage.
Let's take the 120i at 2943lb.
I don't know how big the fuel tank is, but assuming 15 gallons. 90% of 15 gallons is 13.5 lbs. At approximately 6 lbs per gallon, fuel weight alone is 81 lbs.

Therefore, 2943-150-15-81= 2697 lbs.

I think it is about the weight of a MINI. My MCS is probably about 2700-2800lbs, although I have never actually put it on a scale.

[nate]

OK. As everyone will point out, comparisons can only be made like for like. A 120d with four German businessmen and a full trunk of luggage probably weighs 400 lb more than your M36 M3. Your E36 M3 with a similar complement probably weighs 600 or 700lb more than a completely unloaded 120i (a car which will never be measured that way because it will never be sold in a market which quotes - arguably, pointlessly - weight figures without driver or fuel).

OK? Or shall I throw a 1,000 lb lead slab into the trunk so you can *really* make your point? :)


:rofl: :rofl:

but, if they were for German businessmen, it might be more like 800lbs more...

[Patrick]

Use your brain for a change.

Diesels are much heavier than standard gasoline engines.

Wow. Did you and _ lk _ have lunch together or something?

Anyway, your point about diesels being heavier is something that I know about firsthand. I know that most of you guys (gals) could give a poop about the 4 cylinder BMW models, but there was a signficantly noticable difference between my first two E46's. The 320dT is not only heavier than the 318iT, but it was something that you could feel as soon as you were going more than 5km/h. I could care less about the published numbers, but the feeling through the steering wheel was what counted. I drove a friend's 320iT at the same time, and it also "felt" lighter. Overall, the 320d seemed to be more solid on the road through that heavier feel.

I am no expert on the subject, but to attempt to answer TD's original question about why are they building it (1er/2er), I think the answer has something to do with building a quasi-less expensive BMW, that lots of people will buy.


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[MiniRoll]

Interesting to see the German spec above. Is the UK spec available yet?

[Chris90]

I think the E36 is a lot less solidly built and less crash worthy than a new 1 or 3 series - all the safety requirements tend to make new cars heavier, it's not just carmaker bloat.

I think the M2 will need a 4 cylinder though, in order to keep it sporty - with a fat six over the front wheels and steel body, it'll be too slow to turn in - for what should be the sportiest M. No way it'll be a turbo either, BMW has said they won't build any M turbos.

[andy_thomas]

Interesting to see the German spec above. Is the UK spec available yet?

As with the 3er, it will be mostly the same in base spec, although it's likely the UK importer will make the usual SE package available (PDC, auto air, foglights and so on). There may also be a sport trim of some sort (a la "ES" or "Sport" as they apply to UK-market cars).

[Mpire]

Damn, its heavier than my M coupe..

[andy_thomas]

Damn, its heavier than my M coupe..
Which one? The 116i, in US weight format (i.e. quoted dry, no driver or luggage) is 1,205 kg. ..

[Mpire]

Someone translate that into SAE.

[Mr. E]

Someone translate that into SAE.Multiply by 2.204 to convert kg into lb.

1,205 kg = 2,656 lb.

[andy_thomas]

Multiply by 2.204 to convert kg into lb.

1,205 kg = 2,656 lb.

Yes, but are those US or Imperial pounds? :rofl:

[Mr. E]

Yes, but are those US or Imperial pounds? :rofl::eeps:

The real question is, what does a 1er weigh in stone? :lmao:

[TimmyTimmy]

So how does this "1" compare to a Mazda3 Hatch (US spec)?