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tim330i
10-13-2011, 04:14 PM
http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=297114&d=1318615694

The 2012 BMW 3 Series Sedan
If there is such a thing as a quintessential BMW, it is without doubt the BMW 3 Series. The 3 Series is everything a sports sedan should be, and for years it has stood undisputed at the summit of the premium mid-size segment. Since it made its debut in 1975, more than 12 million customers around the world have taken ownership of a BMW 3 Series.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzfy4jngq_w

Highlights

F30 3 series sedan launches as a 2012 model year and arrives at dealership world wide February 11th, 2012.
US base model will be the 328i powered by the 245 horsepower N20. A 2.0 liter turbo charged inline 4 cylinder.
The US premium model will be the 335i powered by the 306 hp N55 (carry over from the E90 335i). The N55 is a twin scroll turbo charged 3.0 liter inline six cylinder.
The 3 series will come in in three 'equipment lines' (get more details on the lines (http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=574937)) - Sport Line, Luxury Line and Modern Line. The M Sports package (http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=574930), which is sort of a forth 'line' will coming out in the summer of 2012.
Through smarter use of materials and lighter materials such as aluminum and plastics the F30 sedan is up to 88lbs lighter then outgoing E90 sedan.
The sedan grows in both length and height giving more passenger room, especially in the back seats. Length increases by 3.8 inches and height grows by .4 inches. Surprisingly the width (ignoring the mirrors, which are wider) is actually .1" narrower.
Heads up! Technology abound in the new 3 series and exemplified by the full color HUD (heads up display) - No only is this super cool but you can customize the display and windshield location through iDrive (now standard).
BMW retaining the drivers 6 speed manual as standard but offers an amazing 8 speed automatic as an option. The automatic can matches or beat the manual gearbox for performance and emissions, impressive.
Auto stop/start saves fuel in stop/go traffic. Further fuel savings, or fuel burning can be customized through the "Driver Experience Switch". Select from four modes - sporty, ultra-sporty, comfortable and extremely economical driving.
The quintessential BMW driver oriented dash returns! The controls are angled 7 degree to the driver. This is a feature much missed on the E90, nice to have it back on the 3 series.
Black panel display for the instrument cluster. When the car is off the black panel display shows only a matte black finish, very cool.
Electro-mechanical steering system with optional variable sport steering. How this will feel on the 3 series will have to wait until our test drive.
iDrive and dash screen standard. The dash screen does not fold and is design to stand out like the TV in your living room (according to BMW).
Hands free trunk opening with comfort access by wiggling foot under rear bumper. This has to be one of the best 'little' features. Its the simple things that make us happy isn't?
Optional M Sport brakes. Factory brake upgrade will give you four piston aluminum calipers in the front and two piston aluminum calipers in the rear.
Optional M Sport suspension with electronically controlled dampers. Another cool factory "mod".
Cameras - They're every where monitoring the road for every possible reason and then some. The jury is still on how these systems will work in real life, especially with the manual transmission.
xDrive models surprisingly are not coming out in February when you need all wheel drive the most. If you want xDrive you'll have to wait until the summer of 2012 when they will likely come out as 2013 model year cars.
M Sport package (http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=574930) which adds some nice visual aggression is also not available in February. The package will come out in the summer of 2012.
ActiveHybrid 3 version, with technology similar to the ActiveHybrid 5 (http://www.bimmerfest.com/news/571842/bmw-unveils-the-activehybrid-5-to-the-world/) will come out in the fall of 2012.


Complete BMW 2012 F30 3 Series World Premiere Press Release (www.bimmerfest.com/pdf/bmw-press-release/2012-BMW-F30-3-Series-Sedan-328i-335i.pdf)

F30 2012 BMW 3 series sedan product catalog (http://www.bimmerfest.com/pdf/bmw-press-release/2012-BMW-F30-3-series-sedan-catalogue.pdf)

2012 F30 3 Series 328i and 335i Pricing (http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=583142)

bayoucity
10-13-2011, 06:04 PM
: popcorn:

Subscribed.

jmnbmw
10-13-2011, 06:52 PM
Subscribed too

brkf
10-13-2011, 07:54 PM
Facebook? Are they marketing the car to kids?

Cy3
10-14-2011, 03:44 AM
Facebook? Are they marketing the car to kids?

+1 can't wait til facebook turns into myspace.

Weaselboy
10-14-2011, 04:47 AM
Looks like they released the text portion of the info early here (https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/pressclub/p/pcgl/pressDetail.html?outputChannelId=6&id=T0122586EN&left_menu_item=node__2229).

There is also a PDF at the bottom of the page (attached).

Here are the specs for the 328i and 335i from pages 59/60 of the PDF.

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http://i.imgur.com/jaJhW.png

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http://i.imgur.com/4qSeZ.png

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Wrink
10-14-2011, 06:48 AM
Looks like they released the text portion of the info early here (https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/pressclub/p/pcgl/pressDetail.html?outputChannelId=6&id=T0122586EN&left_menu_item=node__2229).

There is also a PDF at the bottom of the page (attached).

Here are the specs for the 328i and 335i from pages 59/60 of the PDF.

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http://i.imgur.com/jaJhW.png

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http://i.imgur.com/4qSeZ.png

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0-100 KM/H in 5.9 secs for the turbo 4 cylinder. That is pretty good. Also says 8 speed auto is optional. No more 6 speed autos.

Highmodulus
10-14-2011, 07:00 AM
And here. . . we .. . GO!

Highmodulus
10-14-2011, 07:01 AM
LOL German Ryan Seacrest is as terrible the the American one.

:D

GG Hyundai
10-14-2011, 07:03 AM
Somebody translate.

alloy
10-14-2011, 07:05 AM
Hmmm...I'm getting sound but no picture...

Highmodulus
10-14-2011, 07:05 AM
translated "Time for a boring speech nobody cares about rather than show you the damn car you all came to see- ha ha"

:mad:

alloy
10-14-2011, 07:06 AM
Nevermind. Had it on audio...duh...

Prost
10-14-2011, 07:06 AM
enough for the speech...now show me the meat :)

Highmodulus
10-14-2011, 07:10 AM
I think Angry Mustache Dude just threatened to invade Poland?

/too soon?

Prost
10-14-2011, 07:11 AM
Finally English Translation :thumbup:

utfenix335i
10-14-2011, 07:13 AM
mother pucker! I can't watch the video! too little bandwidth!

Highmodulus
10-14-2011, 07:19 AM
That tie is awful. I hope he doesn't design the F30. . .

:(

mr_clueless
10-14-2011, 07:20 AM
mother pucker! I can't watch the video! too little bandwidth!

It may be a problem at their end. It worked for me earlier, but now it won't.

tim330i
10-14-2011, 07:20 AM
BMW USA posted a pic on Facebook -

http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/7923/unledufb.png

Highmodulus
10-14-2011, 07:22 AM
e46 version 2?

utfenix335i
10-14-2011, 07:24 AM
I saw those pictures. the f30 looks much more aggressive.

tim330i
10-14-2011, 07:27 AM
There it is! Wooo!

tim330i
10-14-2011, 07:29 AM
Someone found pictures of the interior with cloth. Wonder if that will be an option in the US -

http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/2023/29864310150425217591303.jpg

Highmodulus
10-14-2011, 07:29 AM
That's a big car. I like it.

Soloracer24
10-14-2011, 07:29 AM
e46 version 2?

From the side, I Was thinking the same thing.

tim330i
10-14-2011, 07:32 AM
More pictures!

z335ixp09
10-14-2011, 07:33 AM
I'm loving the Sports line

Soloracer24
10-14-2011, 07:35 AM
That 335i is very nice. I'm liking the way the headlights seem to "connect" to the kidney grilles. Gives it an aggressive look.

alloy
10-14-2011, 07:36 AM
Pretty good looking car.

chris328
10-14-2011, 07:36 AM
disappointing, still holding hope for the f32 though. glad i got my new e92 back in august instead of waiting for this. would have been pissssssed lol

Highmodulus
10-14-2011, 07:40 AM
This isn't going to help dealers sell off the E90s left on the lot unless they are going to increase prices on the F30, which they really cannot due to Audi already undercutting them on prices with the A4's, and stiff Japanese, American and Korean competition as well.

mrbelk
10-14-2011, 07:40 AM
I wonder if they're doing deliveries today? Folks taking delivery this weekend and next week have quite a treat in store. I'm sure these F30's will be on display in the Welt for a good while.

-MrB

mrbelk
10-14-2011, 07:42 AM
That 335i is very nice. I'm liking the way the headlights seem to "connect" to the kidney grilles. Gives it an aggressive look.

I concur. I do wish they could integrate the hood shut line a little better; but their hands are somewhat tied with the EU pedestrian crash safety laws. It does seem like Merc and Audi manage to integrate their shut lines more harmoniously.

-MrB

mrbelk
10-14-2011, 07:48 AM
I wonder if they're doing deliveries today? Folks taking delivery this weekend and next week have quite a treat in store. I'm sure these F30's will be on display in the Welt for a good while.

-MrB

I guess they're not doing deliveries today...

-MrB

tim330i
10-14-2011, 07:51 AM
They're not. There was a thread about how the Welt was closed today in the ED forum.

Tim

3ismagic#
10-14-2011, 07:52 AM
My initial reaction to the front facia is that it looks like a bulldog with a stick in its mouth. Don't hate don't love it. The rear looks slot like the LCI E90. The seats look cool but I'm Luke warm on the rest of the interior which looks to be taken from the new 1er.

Gold323Ci
10-14-2011, 07:59 AM
Good grief! It's one hour later and now they are about to talk about the car in specifics. They really know how to hype it up, don't they?

Any high quality photos out there yet? I've seen a few but they are a bit "foggy".

tim330i
10-14-2011, 08:01 AM
High resolution pictures and the complete specs will be available in the first post at or around 11:15. Can't post before then.

Tim

utfenix335i
10-14-2011, 08:02 AM
Looks amazing, but i've only seen it from the front.

brava
10-14-2011, 08:04 AM
Looks like facelift rather than a new model.

utfenix335i
10-14-2011, 08:05 AM
I see why I like it... it looks like the z4 nose made wider and taller.

Gold323Ci
10-14-2011, 08:06 AM
So if a pedestrian gets hit with that front end, the damage (to the pedestrian) is supposed to be less than if they had been hit by an E90? How can that be?

I like the front except that area below the kidney grills. It looks pinched out and I just can't imagine why that is necessary or helpful.

mohrgan
10-14-2011, 08:13 AM
I like it. More aggressive and yet softer looking than the E90.

mrbelk
10-14-2011, 08:15 AM
I see why I like it... it looks like the z4 nose made wider and taller.

And it has some shades of the Gran Coupe, too. Love the lower, wider, stance.

How do the dimensions compare to the E90?

-MrB

tim330i
10-14-2011, 08:16 AM
And it has some shades of the Gran Coupe, too. Love the lower, wider, stance.

How do the dimensions compare to the E90?

-MrB

Its bigger! Details coming!

TJPark01
10-14-2011, 08:16 AM
What is that piece of interior trim next to the glove box, blocking the passenger from the center stack, it looks really odd. :dunno:

utfenix335i
10-14-2011, 08:18 AM
What is that piece of interior trim next to the glove box, blocking the passenger from the center stack, it looks really odd. :dunno:

Knee rest? i didn't see.

tim330i
10-14-2011, 08:23 AM
Details now in the first posts -

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6377765#post6377765

Increased in length by 3.8 inches, height by .4 inches. Width without the mirrors is .1" narrower.

RadioWave
10-14-2011, 08:27 AM
The dimensions in inches/pounds for the four cylinder are:

Size: 182x71.3x56.3
Unladen weight: 3152/3317 lbs (DIN/EU whatever that means)
Consumption: 27.7 mpg urban 45.2 extra urban

E90 is 178x71.5x55.9, 3362 lbs so it's a little bigger but lighter.

I'm guessing those consumption numbers don't translate to EPA numbers.

mrbelk
10-14-2011, 08:27 AM
Details now in the first posts -

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6377765#post6377765

Wow! 4" longer? That's a very dramatic increase. I guess it had to grow somewhat to fit the projector for the HUD into the dash board.

I am happy to see that it's gotten a little lighter than the E90. I wonder if that's across the range.

I wonder how it compares to the E39?

-MrB

PhilH
10-14-2011, 08:42 AM
The dimensions in inches/pounds for the four cylinder are:

Size: 182x71.3x56.3

E90 is 178x71.5x55.9
Wow, a 4 inch increase in length. I remember my old E34 5 Series was 185 inches long, only 3 more inches to go...

As for the design of the F30, it's not a deal breaker for me. The front end is going to take some getting used to, but that might be the best part, considering the rest of the car is either blocky or predictable. Actually, I like the taillights and the interior looks promising.

I'll have to consider the F30 when it comes time to buy my next car, just because the driving dynamics of the 3 Series are so good. Hopefully, they don't screw that part up.

bayoucity
10-14-2011, 08:48 AM
Thank god for hidden cup holders.

dtc100
10-14-2011, 08:50 AM
WOW 45 mpg highway? If our EPA number is close that is really a selling point. I wonder how to get such mpg, always on ultra-econo mode I guess.

tim330i
10-14-2011, 08:52 AM
WOW 45 mpg highway? If our EPA number is close that is really a selling point. I wonder how to get such mpg, always on ultra-econo mode I guess.

The numbers in the press kit are for miles per imperial gallon. The MPG for the US is -


F30 328i - 36.7 highway manual / 37.3 highway auto
F30 335i - 29.77 highway manual / 32.66 highway auto

dtc100
10-14-2011, 09:00 AM
The numbers in the press kit are for miles per imperial gallon. The MPG for the US is -


F30 328i - 36.7 highway manual / 37.3 highway auto
F30 335i - 29.77 highway manual / 32.66 highway auto


OK 37.3 ain't bad.

RadioWave
10-14-2011, 09:02 AM
Wow, a 4 inch increase in length. I remember my old E34 5 Series was 185 inches long, only 3 more inches to go...By that time, you'll be able to land small aircraft on the 7-series. In 10 years, they'll have to come out with the (-1) series for people like us.

As for the design of the F30, it's not a deal breaker for me. The front end is going to take some getting used to, but that might be the best part, considering the rest of the car is either blocky or predictable. Actually, I like the taillights and the interior looks promising.After driving an E60 for 8 years, I'm okay with boring and predictable. Personally, I like it a lot. I like the aggressive presence of the front end and the way the lines flow from the back of the c-pillar to the front of the air dam.


In autumn 2012 a further model will join the BMW 3 Series. In the new ActiveHybrid 3 – a full hybrid at the premium end of the sports sedan class
I'm surprised the hybrid will be released that soon.

B-Pecan
10-14-2011, 09:09 AM
Is that a turbocharged 4 cylinder on the 328???

stevemt
10-14-2011, 09:10 AM
+1 can't wait til facebook turns into myspace.



It never will.

TJPark01
10-14-2011, 09:33 AM
Video!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJXlGECfWOg&feature=player_embedded#!

Inline Sixer
10-14-2011, 09:52 AM
It seems to sit wider and lower. I like the tail lights much better than the "pizza-slice" shaped ones in the E90. The butt line seems more level with the hood line. It's a head turner.

The 4-pot goes 0-60 in 5.9. Badge whores rejoice! :thumbup:

mr_clueless
10-14-2011, 10:00 AM
A few thoughts...

Interesting that it has a manual parking brake instead of an electric one like in the F10 and the Audi A4.

I like the exterior. Not so sure about the interior.

The M steering is really ugly.

If I had to pick between the F10 and F30 on styling alone, I would pick the F10. Of course, F10 is a much bigger car.

A bit concerned about the electric steering because I didn't like the F10 when I drove it.

But the MPG numbers are out of this world...

PhilH
10-14-2011, 10:29 AM
A bit concerned about the electric steering because I didn't like the F10 when I drove it.
Yeah, page 27 of the press release (http://www.bimmerfest.com/pdf/bmw-press-release/2012-BMW-F30-3-Series-Sedan-328i-335i.pdf) confirms that the F30 has electromechanical power steering (EPS), which is the same way BMW describes the new steering system in the F10 5 Series (http://www.bimmerfest.com/pdf/bmw-press-release/BMW-F10-Press-release.pdf).

tim330i
10-14-2011, 10:30 AM
Complete photo gallery is now up!

http://www.bimmerfest.com/bmw-photos/20/BMW-F30-3-Series/

Tim

MikeTerp
10-14-2011, 10:36 AM
Need more info on the effectiveness of the I-drive screen. Sticking up like that makes me think there will be big problems with bright light/sunshine washouts. E90 screen is well covered and readable in almost any condition. Let's hope BMW has done something to keep the F30's readable.

Weaselboy
10-14-2011, 10:37 AM
If you follow this link (http://www.bmw.com/com/en/newvehicles/3series/sedan/2011/showroom/index.html?WT.mc_id=F30-2011-OPK-Informed_YouTube_Textlink) from the Youtube video, you can find the attached catalogue PDF with full specs and colors/wheel options etc.

mr_clueless
10-14-2011, 10:54 AM
The storage nets behind the front seats are back!

Weaselboy
10-14-2011, 10:58 AM
The storage nets behind the front seats are back!

Looks like they are part of an optional "storage package" though.

rkavanau
10-14-2011, 11:13 AM
Official site: www.bmw.com/3seriessedan

Brochure: http://www.bmw.com/com/en/newvehicles/3series/sedan/2011/_shared/pdf/BMW_3series_sedan_catalogue.pdf

kck7
10-14-2011, 11:15 AM
It seems to sit wider and lower. I like the tail lights much better than the "pizza-slice" shaped ones in the E90. The butt line seems more level with the hood line. It's a head turner.

The 4-pot goes 0-60 in 5.9. Badge whores rejoice! :thumbup:

Actually isn't that 0-100km, which means 0-62 mph? I read somewhere 0-60 was 5.7.

Michael Schott
10-14-2011, 12:38 PM
Need more info on the effectiveness of the I-drive screen. Sticking up like that makes me think there will be big problems with bright light/sunshine washouts. E90 screen is well covered and readable in almost any condition. Let's hope BMW has done something to keep the F30's readable.

I read that BMW went for an expensive screen for the nav system to eliminate glare. I don't know the details.

Maverick64
10-14-2011, 12:51 PM
http://www.f30post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=592598

ArtchredTTU
10-14-2011, 01:31 PM
wow... great it looks like a 5 series... Why is BMW become so lazy??? I hate it

wesleyan92
10-14-2011, 01:52 PM
This is trivial - one of the my favorite things about the interior is the gear shifter style that is in my E60 with sport auto transmission. Overall I really like the exterior and interior. Planning my ED for November 2012 when the lease is up on my current E60.

Inline Sixer
10-14-2011, 02:25 PM
wow... great it looks like a 5 series... Why is BMW become so lazy??? I hate it

Same sausage, different sizes...

enigma
10-14-2011, 04:24 PM
Through smarter use of materials and lighter materials such as aluminum and plastics the F30 sedan is up to 88lbs lighter then outgoing E90 sedan.
The sedan grows in both length and height giving more passenger room, especially in the back seats. Length increases by 3.8 inches and height grows by .4 inches. Surprisingly the width (ignoring the mirrors, which are wider) is actually .1" narrower.
BMW retaining the drivers 6 speed manual as standard but offers an amazing 8 speed automatic as an option. The automatic can matches or beat the manual gearbox for performance and emissions, impressive.
Electro-mechanical steering system with optional variable sport steering. How this will feel on the 3 series will have to wait until our test drive.



It's good to see the weight go down (however small it may be), but why did they have to stretch the car 4"? I guess we'll have to see where all the 4" increase has gone to, but I am not a big fan of incremental growth in every iteration.

And where did you get the information that the 8sp automatic tranny bests the manual in terms of performance? The numbers certainly don't support your assertion.

Finally, I am concerned about the electro-mechanical steering system. I hope they don't mess it up the way they did it with the other models.

mr_clueless
10-14-2011, 04:35 PM
Finally, I am concerned about the electro-mechanical steering system. I hope they don't mess it up the way they did it with the other models.

I thought I saw something somewhere about availability of an option for a "purely mechanical" steering. Can't remember where I saw that. So I assume they must've messed up the electro-mechanical one. :D

calmwinds
10-14-2011, 04:45 PM
Whoa guys, I can't believe this is accurate... These are taken from BMW website

e90 328i torque 200 @ 2750 rpm vs. f30 328i 350 @ only 1250 rpm
efficiency: e90 combined 9.1L/100km vs. f30 328i combined 6.3L/100km
0-100 km/h: e90 6.7s vs f30 5.9s

With the dramatic improvement in performance(twin turbo) and fuel efficiency, good job BMW! or should I say great job!

PS. btw new here and I'm glad to join the community

mr_clueless
10-14-2011, 05:13 PM
I thought I saw something somewhere about availability of an option for a "purely mechanical" steering. Can't remember where I saw that. So I assume they must've messed up the electro-mechanical one. :D

I found it:

>>>
An electromechanical power steering system EPS (Electronic Power Steering) – which uses an electric motor to provide steering assistance and which only operates the EPS when steering assistance is actually required – comes as standard, though an optional new, purely mechanical variable-ratio steering system is available, offering a more precise response to input and sharper handling.
>>>
http://paultan.org/2011/10/14/bmw-f30-3-series-unveiled-four-engines-at-launch-three-equipment-lines-market-debut-in-feb-2012/

SD Z4MR
10-14-2011, 05:41 PM
I found it:

>>>
An electromechanical power steering system EPS (Electronic Power Steering) – which uses an electric motor to provide steering assistance and which only operates the EPS when steering assistance is actually required – comes as standard, though an optional new, purely mechanical variable-ratio steering system is available, offering a more precise response to input and sharper handling.
>>>
http://paultan.org/2011/10/14/bmw-f30-3-series-unveiled-four-engines-at-launch-three-equipment-lines-market-debut-in-feb-2012/

Unfortunately, the "thoroughly mechanical" steering is only available along with the variable-ratio steering. From the press release:

"Optionally a new variable-ratio steering system can be ordered. Variable Sports Steering provides different steering gear ratios depending on the turning situation, so that the new BMW 3 Series responds either more directly or more softly to the driver’s steering inputs. This reduces the number of steering wheel rotations required for bigger turns by up to 25 percent and makes for easier, more convenient parking and turning since less effort is required from the driver. Also, the handling is sharper in general, for example when very sudden evasive action is called for. At smaller steering angles between zero and 100 degrees, on the other hand, the Sedan provides high standards of track-holding and straightline stability, and offers satisfyingly precise response to steering changes. The variable-ratio steering is a purely mechanical system based on a variable-ratio steering rack."

This sounds an awful lot like the Active Steering option available on the E9x. Hopefully it's better.

fb88
10-14-2011, 08:16 PM
It seems the Lux, Modern, and Sports lines are all optional packages. It's not like you are forced to pick one?
Anyone knows if the tires will be 3G RFT?
37.3 mpg US highway auto is amazing, wonder what's the city.

TJPark01
10-14-2011, 08:27 PM
It seems the Lux, Modern, and Sports lines are all optional packages. It's not like you are forced to pick one?
Anyone knows if the tires will be 3G RFT?
37.3 mpg US highway auto is amazing, wonder what's the city.

I suspect the BMW Kool Aid of RFT's, no spare, lack of dipstick, double pull door handle, center lock on dash will be served up for all to enjoy. I'll be double fisting.

mstrq
10-15-2011, 04:59 AM
Some comments about the interior.

* I wish there were more wood trims (wrap-around wood trim on dash + door panel, and more wood on center console area...)

* The chrome strip under wood trim looks nice. But the chrome strip around radio + climate controls seems too much... (on Luxury Line?)

* I wonder why manufacturers are ditching cave-like housing for nav screens...? Not only those upright screens look aftermarket, but also might attract theft and vandals...

* Interesting BMW didn't go with electro parking brake while 3 series will be offered with tech toys like multiple cameras, HUD, electro gear lever, etc. Manual parking brake takes up a lot of space in center console area, resulting in less space on arm rest and awkward placement of iDrive. But I like the parking brake since it adds to the sporty feel.

* It seems that F30 still has gas and brake pedals that are slightly position to the left due to the hump (drive shaft hump?). This made my body feel twisted while driving in E93. This was my biggest complaint in current E9X...

* Damn. That storage bin at the bottom of door panel looks HUGE

* Looks like F30 has mood lighting around dash along with door panels. Awesome!

* Love the way climate + radio controls are organized, and they are placed up high on center stack. They also look very rich too.

* Is that a storage compartment (mini drawer) under climate control panel?

* Fixed belt position... Not nice...

* I'm dying to find out how to open the cover for cupholders.

* No wheel well intrusion in the trunk. Very nice.

* The placement of iDrive bugs me... I would have to rest my arm diagonally to reach the controller. And if the passenger is resting her arm on the armrest, I would have to push her arm off. lol. And it seems that shorter drivers might have hard time reaching the controller....

* I love the sport steering wheel. Looks a bit tacky but I love the down-to-business look and feel.

* Door grab handle/pocket on driver side door panel is gone... It was a nice place to store cell phone.

* The place where speaker, door grab handle and dash plastic meet looks a bit meh to me.

* Overall, I like the interior and it looks like a step up from E9X.

PhilH
10-15-2011, 07:06 AM
Unfortunately, the "thoroughly mechanical" steering is only available along with the variable-ratio steering. From the press release:

"Optionally a new variable-ratio steering system can be ordered. Variable Sports Steering provides different steering gear ratios depending on the turning situation, so that the new BMW 3 Series responds either more directly or more softly to the driver’s steering inputs. This reduces the number of steering wheel rotations required for bigger turns by up to 25 percent and makes for easier, more convenient parking and turning since less effort is required from the driver. Also, the handling is sharper in general, for example when very sudden evasive action is called for. At smaller steering angles between zero and 100 degrees, on the other hand, the Sedan provides high standards of track-holding and straightline stability, and offers satisfyingly precise response to steering changes. The variable-ratio steering is a purely mechanical system based on a variable-ratio steering rack."

This sounds an awful lot like the Active Steering option available on the E9x. Hopefully it's better.
What is sounds like is the Variable Sport Steering available on the new X3. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the X3's steering isn't hydrualic with this package either. Go to build your own X3 and look at the Dynamic Handling Package: http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Content/BYO/ByoHome.aspx?enc=LuKYaw1yQdytzrVtkzDGgPFdLdurnPCnv mTzJ6vMCmZiujA0qNKhQSQ3bZFEf8PjWBXanN0zhA4DOcbkjkA Y0Hajh6Ll+s1wmwWUeo9pNuq5L/agbjdZDYSbrVZLrE1IAtFnmi4TGZj1mskygFgUV5q31uKpAbSr TBdxhEl8JuBzQ+c/6Kz4OJKdr+GAwoi3/pBaI1Ag/jKhpd64e0e1qg==

floydarogers
10-15-2011, 07:55 AM
* Interesting BMW didn't go with electro parking brake while 3 series will be offered with tech toys like multiple cameras, HUD, electro gear lever, etc. Manual parking brake takes up a lot of space in center console area, resulting in less space on arm rest and awkward placement of iDrive. But I like the parking brake since it adds to the sporty feel.


Electrically-actuated brakes (ones that just activate the braking system via the ABS system) are generally not legal as "emergency" or "parking" brakes. There is almost always a requirement for "separate application and operation". See WA state's definition:

" (2) Parking brakes -- adequacy. Every such vehicle and combination of vehicles shall be equipped with parking brakes adequate to hold the vehicle on any grade on which it is operated, under all conditions of loading, on a surface free from snow, ice, or loose material. The parking brakes shall be capable of being applied in conformance with the foregoing requirements by the driver's muscular effort or by spring action or by equivalent means. Their operation may be assisted by the service brakes or other source of power provided that failure of the service brake actuation system or other power assisting mechanism will not prevent the parking brakes from being applied in conformance with the foregoing requirements. The parking brakes shall be so designed that when once applied they shall remain applied with the required effectiveness despite exhaustion of any source of energy or leakage of any kind. The same brake drums, brake shoes and lining assemblies, brake shoe anchors, and mechanical brake shoe actuation mechanism normally associated with the wheel brake assemblies may be used for both the service brakes and the parking brakes. If the means of applying the parking brakes and the service brakes are connected in any way, they shall be so constructed that failure of any one part shall not leave the vehicle without operative brakes."

mr_clueless
10-15-2011, 08:09 AM
Electrically-actuated brakes (ones that just activate the braking system via the ABS system) are generally not legal as "emergency" or "parking" brakes. There is almost always a requirement for "separate application and operation". See WA state's definition:
...


The F10 has the electric parking brake (as does the A4) so I'm assuming those satisfy WA's requirements.

BMW220i
10-15-2011, 08:55 AM
I love the idea of better gas mileage. I don't want a hybrid. I don't need excellent gas mileage. Just a little better, like the low 20's (MPG) in the city, mid 20's in the suburbs and 31 on the highway at moderate speeds (high 20's when going faster), is good enough.

The 328i has that better gas mileage without compromising too much.

The interior, I'll reserve judgement until I see it in person. The passenger half of the dash looks a bit too weird on first glance.

TJPark01
10-15-2011, 09:06 AM
I love the idea of better gas mileage. I don't want a hybrid. I don't need excellent gas mileage. Just a little better, like the low 20's (MPG) in the city, mid 20's in the suburbs and 31 on the highway at moderate speeds (high 20's when going faster), is good enough.

The 328i has that better gas mileage without compromising too much.

Sounds reasonable. I know BMW has a lot of equity in electric/hybrid vehicles, but I certainly don't want to be the beta tester for those vehicles. I'm sure they'll sort out the technology after a couple generations, but until then, I think the 328i has a compelling mix of efficiency, design, real world practicality and performance.

zibawala
10-15-2011, 06:45 PM
Any specs or pics of coupe?

Gjm127
10-15-2011, 06:47 PM
Any specs or pics of coupe?

Next year is the release... We should be getting the spy shots of it in the coming months as they should be testing it in winter.

zibawala
10-15-2011, 07:18 PM
Next year is the release... We should be getting the spy shots of it in the coming months as they should be testing it in winter.

So if I understand , sedan 2013 model be out Feb 2012' along with new redesigned x5?

2013 new 3 coupe. By the end of 2012? And redesigned m3 by summer or fall of 2013.?

Does this seems realistic calendar?

bayoucity
10-15-2011, 07:31 PM
So if I understand , sedan 2013 model be out Feb 2012' along with new redesigned x5?

2013 new 3 coupe. By the end of 2012? And redesigned m3 by summer or fall of 2013.?

Does this seems realistic calendar?

It"ll not be new 3 coupe. F32 will be classified as 4 series. All coupes will be sold as even number series from here onward.

Gjm127
10-15-2011, 08:05 PM
It"ll not be new 3 coupe. F32 will be classified as 4 series. All coupes will be sold as even number series from here onward.

I find it disgusting that BMW is setting their standards to compete with Audi (cuz they have their A5 for the coupe)... Audi should be setting their standards to compete with us!! :thumbdwn:

Why would BMW change it's marketing process to look like Audis? BMW shattered Audi in sales last year, I don't see why it's not Audi re-designing their set to fit ours...
WTF is going on??

bayoucity
10-15-2011, 08:18 PM
I guess it will be M3 sedan & M4 coupe. That does sound strange.

zibawala
10-15-2011, 08:31 PM
It"ll not be new 3 coupe. F32 will be classified as 4 series. All coupes will be sold as even number series from here onward.
Thanks but I do agree, kinda sound weird :( 3 series, is sedan, hybrid, poss diesel, and Gt and station wagon? 4 series is coupe and convertible! 5 series is sedan, Gt, hybrid and diesel, then 6 series that is quite diff and bigger, poss more close to 7 is coupe and convertible ?

Then 7 sedan! Lol...may be 8 coupe again???

M cars will be 1m, 3m sedan, 4m coupe and convertible, 5m sedan and 6m coupe and convertible:(

So, once it is settled when we will se 4 series coupe and convertible on the ground and how bat 3m and 4m ? Lol:tsk:

mstrq
10-16-2011, 11:29 PM
I wonder why BMW didn't put those oval chunky door handles on F30, which are on 5 and 7. They actually feel good in hand.

http://static.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/images/Auto/izmo/324419/2011_bmw_5_series_doorhandle.jpg

kck7
10-18-2011, 08:25 AM
I find it disgusting that BMW is setting their standards to compete with Audi (cuz they have their A5 for the coupe)... Audi should be setting their standards to compete with us!! :thumbdwn:

Why would BMW change it's marketing process to look like Audis? BMW shattered Audi in sales last year, I don't see why it's not Audi re-designing their set to fit ours...
WTF is going on??

So they can charge more. "4 series" sounds like it should be considerably more expensive than "3 series". Of course E92/E93 are already more expensive, just that they will be that much more.

Inline Sixer
10-18-2011, 06:13 PM
So they can charge more. "4 series" sounds like it should be considerably more expensive than "3 series". Of course E92/E93 are already more expensive, just that they will be that much more.

Where can I get 4 series badges? Um, just asking for a friend who is considering a rebadge of his E93...

kck7
10-19-2011, 06:40 AM
Where can I get 4 series badges? Um, just asking for a friend who is considering a rebadge of his E93...
LOL, please ask your 'friend' to PM me. I happen to have a couple laying around... just $1k each. A bargain!

Seriously, look at the 6 vs 5 series. It is quite a bit upmarket, although on the same platform (correct me if I'm wrong). Yeah sure, gussy up the interior a bit but how much extra can that cost?

mr_clueless
10-19-2011, 06:56 AM
Yeah sure, gussy up the interior a bit but how much extra can that cost?

It's not about what it costs. It is about what people are willing to pay for it. :D

Inline Sixer
10-19-2011, 02:40 PM
LOL, please ask your 'friend' to PM me. I happen to have a couple laying around... just $1k each. A bargain!

Seriously, look at the 6 vs 5 series. It is quite a bit upmarket, although on the same platform (correct me if I'm wrong). Yeah sure, gussy up the interior a bit but how much extra can that cost?

Ha! Love it, I, er, my "friend" will be elated! :rofl:

From, now on, when people ask what car I drive, I'll just flat out say: "4-series cabrio". :rofl:

BMWEsquire
10-23-2011, 06:36 PM
The quintessential BMW driver oriented dash returns! The controls are angled 7 degree to the driver. This is a feature much missed on the E90, nice to have it back on the 3 series.



This is great news, indeed! Sounds strange, but one of the main reasons I wasn't much interested in selling my 2005 330i was because the newer loaner cars I would get during service appointments didn't angle the controls towards the driver. I'm looking forward to seeing the interior of the F30 in person.

16n69
10-23-2011, 08:59 PM
Whoa guys, I can't believe this is accurate... These are taken from BMW website

e90 328i torque 200 @ 2750 rpm vs. f30 328i 350 @ only 1250 rpm
efficiency: e90 combined 9.1L/100km vs. f30 328i combined 6.3L/100km
0-100 km/h: e90 6.7s vs f30 5.9s

With the dramatic improvement in performance(twin turbo) and fuel efficiency, good job BMW! or should I say great job!

PS. btw new here and I'm glad to join the community

f30 328i 350 @ only 1250 rpm...completely wrong!
You are confusing the Euro rating in Nm(350) for our foot / pounds...different!!!

Torque : 350 Nm (258 lb.ft) @ 1250-4800 rpm