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unlaidenswallow
01-12-2012, 07:58 PM
Anyone hard wire an Escort radar detector yet on the F12? I did this a few years ago with my 5, but not sure how difficult it's going to be with the new 6 to get through the center console.

I want the remote mute button down low so I'll tap into the fuse or wires in the glove box - not the center overhead light.

Pics would be greatly appreciated if anyone has!

I also seem to remember that there is very little room above the rear view mirror? Anyone have their radar placed there?

Guess I'll find out in a few weeks - car just hit Bremerhaven today!

southern6er22
01-12-2012, 08:12 PM
Guess I'll find out in a few weeks - car just hit Bremerhaven today![/QUOTE]

Sorry to get off topic, but have you been given an approximate date for arrival in the US? My 650xi coupe has been stuck at the port for a week now and still hasn't left according to the tracking info. Just eagar for more info. Thanks!

unlaidenswallow
01-12-2012, 08:19 PM
Sorry to get off topic, but have you been given an approximate date for arrival in the US? My 650xi coupe has been stuck at the port for a week now and still hasn't left according to the tracking info. Just eagar for more info. Thanks!


No - nothing definite yet. But thanks for holding the ship for me ;) Hopefully we'll both be out of there soon.

southern6er22
01-12-2012, 08:26 PM
Haha. I hope so. Thanks anyway.

svp66
01-13-2012, 12:41 PM
Make sure you know how to get by with radar interference - in case you have driver assist package, the radar for blind spot will constantly trigger your detector. You cannot turn off the feature on the BMW, you will have to reprogram your detector (and inherently loose some of its abilities). For Valentine one sounds like you need to disable POP - will try this week-end.

unlaidenswallow
01-13-2012, 01:33 PM
Make sure you know how to get by with radar interference - in case you have driver assist package, the radar for blind spot will constantly trigger your detector. You cannot turn off the feature on the BMW, you will have to reprogram your detector (and inherently loose some of its abilities). For Valentine one sounds like you need to disable POP - will try this week-end.

Thanks - that was a concern too. I know Audis constantly set it off on the road now if they're anywhere close. I'd be looking to get a new detector and I know the newer models do allow for turning off the impacted K band, but am concerned about the impact to its usefulness if I do...

thom.one.two
01-13-2012, 08:05 PM
I have a K40 installed in mine, and I had to turn off the K band. I can still pick up KA band, which is what police officers used after...1975? The driver's assistance package uses K band, so it sets off radar.

BTW, the BMW trackers is not accurate. Mine was delivered to the dealership before it showed up at the dock. As a rule of thumb, you should have your car about 7-10 days from the day that it shows up at the port. That is SO EXCITING! I know you can't wait!!!

southern6er22
01-13-2012, 08:23 PM
I can't wait to drive it, and the anticipation is killing me. It got caught up in the paint shop for 2 weeks during the holidays and now it's been sitting at the port for a week. Until then, I must enjoy the car vicariously through y'all.

svp66
01-15-2012, 06:26 AM
I have a K40 installed in mine, and I had to turn off the K band. I can still pick up KA band, which is what police officers used after...1975? The driver's assistance package uses K band, so it sets off radar.

BTW, the BMW trackers is not accurate. Mine was delivered to the dealership before it showed up at the dock. As a rule of thumb, you should have your car about 7-10 days from the day that it shows up at the port. That is SO EXCITING! I know you can't wait!!!

+1 on that. I picked up a floor model rather than order it. For the next couple weeks on MyBMW the car wouls show as "ready, at your dealer". The insurance company could not find the VIN in the database either...

unlaidenswallow
01-15-2012, 06:01 PM
I have a K40 installed in mine, and I had to turn off the K band. I can still pick up KA band, which is what police officers used after...1975? The driver's assistance package uses K band, so it sets off radar.

Got a bunch of great information today from Craig Peterson from Radartest.com. Highly recommend anyone interested check out the website - tons of great information on everything from radar facts to what is used in different states to reviews of the best performing radar units.

Here are a few of the main points he sent me in an email relevant to 6 owners with Driver Assist:
- as SVP66 correctly pointed out, the issue is the blind spot radar which comes from K-band radar transceivers in each corner of the rear bumper. They have tested the BMW blind spot warning system with various detectors
- the main issue with these transceivers is actually for cars behind us - up to about 600 feet
- however, inside the car sometimes a high-end detector will be triggered when the signal reflects from an object behind the car, usually another vehicle, and ricochets again from a second reflective object ahead of the vehicle. The second bounce allows some of the energy to enter the detector’s antenna, setting it off
- the exception they have found to this "occasional" interference is the V1 whose rear-facing second antenna alerts to the rear radar almost continuously making it useless without turning off the K band
- Thom - not sure about Texas specifically, but at least in NJ they're saying there are still a large number of K-band radar units in use. And there are still over 35,000 in use nationally. So turning off K-band entirely is definitely NOT recommended
- after testing all the units, the best solution by far they have found is to use a custom-installed remote detector whose grille-mounted radar antenna is well shielded and effectively immune to the BSW (blind-spot) radar. This includes the Escort 9500ci or even better the BEL STiR Plus. Unfortunately that puts the bill much closer to $2k installed than $500 for something like the Escort 9500ix.

On a related note - I've seen some posts about the Escort 9500ix mounting location requirements due to it's GPS connection. I asked about that, and the testing shows that it really can be mounted high or low without causing a GPS reception problem. There is no difference in radar detection effectiveness between high or low and laser detection is definitely much better low. Just a couple interesting tidbits...

I think I may give the 9500ix a shot - but would still love to hear from anyone who has tried it without disabling the K-band to see how bad or frequent the false alarms are. I would also want to hardwire it with the mute button near the steering wheel and the electric tapped into over near the glove box or the fuse box itself. Any pics showing that type of install - or even just what is required to route the wire through the center console would be great! I should take delivery in about three weeks so I have nothing yet to look at on my own.

ahmadr
06-22-2012, 11:31 AM
Make sure you know how to get by with radar interference - in case you have driver assist package, the radar for blind spot will constantly trigger your detector. You cannot turn off the feature on the BMW, you will have to reprogram your detector (and inherently loose some of its abilities). For Valentine one sounds like you need to disable POP - will try this week-end.

Did you (or others) manage to check the V1 with POP disabled with the blind spot monitoring system?

Thank you so much, and sorry for resurrecting an old thread! :D

john mclane
06-22-2012, 01:31 PM
Got a bunch of great information today from Craig Peterson from Radartest.com. Highly recommend anyone interested check out the website - tons of great information on everything from radar facts to what is used in different states to reviews of the best performing radar units.

Here are a few of the main points he sent me in an email relevant to 6 owners with Driver Assist:
- as SVP66 correctly pointed out, the issue is the blind spot radar which comes from K-band radar transceivers in each corner of the rear bumper. They have tested the BMW blind spot warning system with various detectors
- the main issue with these transceivers is actually for cars behind us - up to about 600 feet
- however, inside the car sometimes a high-end detector will be triggered when the signal reflects from an object behind the car, usually another vehicle, and ricochets again from a second reflective object ahead of the vehicle. The second bounce allows some of the energy to enter the detector’s antenna, setting it off
- the exception they have found to this "occasional" interference is the V1 whose rear-facing second antenna alerts to the rear radar almost continuously making it useless without turning off the K band
- Thom - not sure about Texas specifically, but at least in NJ they're saying there are still a large number of K-band radar units in use. And there are still over 35,000 in use nationally. So turning off K-band entirely is definitely NOT recommended
- after testing all the units, the best solution by far they have found is to use a custom-installed remote detector whose grille-mounted radar antenna is well shielded and effectively immune to the BSW (blind-spot) radar. This includes the Escort 9500ci or even better the BEL STiR Plus. Unfortunately that puts the bill much closer to $2k installed than $500 for something like the Escort 9500ix.

On a related note - I've seen some posts about the Escort 9500ix mounting location requirements due to it's GPS connection. I asked about that, and the testing shows that it really can be mounted high or low without causing a GPS reception problem. There is no difference in radar detection effectiveness between high or low and laser detection is definitely much better low. Just a couple interesting tidbits...

I think I may give the 9500ix a shot - but would still love to hear from anyone who has tried it without disabling the K-band to see how bad or frequent the false alarms are. I would also want to hardwire it with the mute button near the steering wheel and the electric tapped into over near the glove box or the fuse box itself. Any pics showing that type of install - or even just what is required to route the wire through the center console would be great! I should take delivery in about three weeks so I have nothing yet to look at on my own.

All true, couple of things from prior experience.
In the Houston burbs, police leaves traillers saying what's your speed. No ticket, more of educational measure. For that, K band is used. I had my 9500xi and my wife following in her car on with a 8500. Mine did not made a peep, while hers was on a couple of blocks away. At the time I decided to do some research and turns out that the 6 series has a metallic layer applied to all windows (exception to two small areas in each side of the inner rear view mirror). This anti-heat measure reflects the K and Ka bands, deeming the detectors inside the car borderline useless. Of course some detection still happens, but when I compared directly by hanging the detector in and out of the car in front of the police trailler, I decided to go with a 9500ci.

I have no issues with blind spot false alarms whatsoever. The laser detection works fine and saved me a couple of times (I dont go overboard with speeding, way too many laser guns here and you dont have a lot of time to slow down). I turned the jamming off, just in case given it's illegal in TX. I kept my K-band on, because the Sherriff dept in Galveston county (pretty much anything south of Harris (Houston) county) still uses it.

I found mine ci on ebay brand new from a dealer for 1000, paid another 500 for professional installation (Car Toys). No drilling through firewall or anywhere else. I'm as cheap as I can be, it was money well spent. I posted some pics recently, if you search 9500ci install you'll see it.

Thom, if you drive towards Galveston, watch your back with the K band, they still go with those. I got sporadic POP alert from police here as well, which is very, very odd.