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nsequitur
05-20-2012, 03:38 PM
http://s1.bimmerfest.com/gallery/BMW-i3-Concept-Coupe/medium/BMW-i3-Concept-Coupe-009.jpg

"They" keep saying it will come out in 2013, so let's assume it's a 2014 model year, and that it comes out in 3Q 2013... that's still only 1.3 years from now, and still no indication of price? The i8 gets more price talk.

I'm really considering a Tesla, but it's as big as a 5-series (which we already have), and expensive (base model is $50K + 1.5 sunroof + 1.5 leather + 1.5 jumpseats)... AFTER a $7500 tax credit.

So for me at least, the i3 makes sense if it has the same tax credit ($7500), and a base price of $40K or less - the net has to be $35K or less or forget it (IMO). So I am scouring the web weekly to find out pricing information and finding nothing.

Is this typical so close to production?
i3 will be made in Liepzig, so would i3 be eligible for euro-delivery (and discounts)?
will i3 be eligible for the BMW CCA rebate?

PLEASE UPDATE THIS THREAD WITH ANY PRICING INFORMATION DIVULGED - I WILL DO THE SAME.

TheCritic
05-23-2012, 03:57 PM
Hmm, interesting question on Euro delivery, the agreement by all the European car makers on a standard was for *inside America*, I'm pretty sure. So charging may be an issue, unless the EU ratifies the same standard/voltages...


I'd also love to see it with a net price around $35k, up to $40k with range extender/options... but they could well go the other way and load it up with fancy electronic gadgetry (http://bmwi3.blogspot.com/2012/05/will-bmw-i3-be-first-car-to-drive.html) as justification for charging too much...


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nsequitur
05-26-2012, 01:58 PM
This car and driver blog post is a good lead:
http://blog.caranddriver.com/electric-bmw-i3-to-start-at-35k-have-150-hp-and-160-mile-range/

It it's $35k PRE-tax credit (net $28.5) that would be pretty compelling and competitive. If its $35k post-credit, not so much.

Ive seen this picture posted elsewhere online, and it's getting less attractive than the concept with each conceptualization.

tim330i
05-30-2012, 09:06 AM
I heard a rumor that it would be for lease only. Similar to the ActiveE leases BMW is currently offering.

Tim

Alpine300ZHP
05-30-2012, 09:25 AM
I heard a rumor that it would be for lease only. Similar to the ActiveE leases BMW is currently offering.

Tim

That could work if the lease has no mileage restriction.

nsequitur
06-03-2012, 11:23 AM
This car and driver blog post is a good lead:
http://blog.caranddriver.com/electric-bmw-i3-to-start-at-35k-have-150-hp-and-160-mile-range/

It it's $35k PRE-tax credit (net $28.5) that would be pretty compelling and competitive. If its $35k post-credit, not so much.

Ive seen this picture posted elsewhere online, and it's getting less attractive than the concept with each conceptualization.

When I found that link, I thought it was weeks old, but now realize it is over 1 YEAR old. More recent link describing potential developmental delays is here: http://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-news/bmw-i-sub-brand-gets-cut-in-half-ar130227.html
[it cites a price of $45, not the more optimistic $35 from the earlier quote]

sunney
06-07-2012, 02:47 AM
A report out of Car and Driver claims that the the BMW i3, BMW's first electric vehicle, will start at approximately $35,000. The i3's power, range and top speed will be 150hp, 160 miles, and 100mph, respectively.

anE934fun
10-28-2012, 02:22 PM
A report out of Car and Driver claims that the the BMW i3, BMW's first electric vehicle, will start at approximately $35,000. The i3's power, range and top speed will be 150hp, 160 miles, and 100mph, respectively.
Do you have a link for the CD claim(s)? If the range is at least 160 miles, I am in. Less than 160 and it won't cut it for my driving requirements.

Andrew*Debbie
10-30-2012, 07:18 AM
Hmm, interesting question on Euro delivery, the agreement by all the European car makers on a standard was for *inside America*, I'm pretty sure. So charging may be an issue, unless the EU ratifies the same standard/voltages...




The car side connections are the same as what is sold in the US. Some cars, like the Leaf have a "standardised" connector for slow charging and second connector for a fast charger.

There are two different car side standards for a 32A 240V AC connection.


Public Fast charging is where the largest issues are.




UK charging stations are not standardised. At least not yet. The only solution is to carry around an adapter cable or two.

Andrew*Debbie
10-30-2012, 07:34 AM
Do you have a link for the CD claim(s)? If the range is at least 160 miles, I am in. Less than 160 and it won't cut it for my driving requirements.

160 miles is certainly possible. The i3's size and weight are going to help.

Range and price are directly related. I wouldn't be surprised to see BMW offer more than one battery size.

anE934fun
10-30-2012, 12:59 PM
160 miles is certainly possible. The i3's size and weight are going to help.

Range and price are directly related. I wouldn't be surprised to see BMW offer more than one battery size.
Multiple battery capacity options would seem to be the prudent course for BMW. I think Tesla learned that lesson. No need for BMW to re-learn the battery range lesson.

I sure hope BMW offers different battery range options for the i3.

nanotech1
11-10-2012, 11:54 AM
The only way to address these low ranges to have rapid charge infrastructure throughout the US. Seems like a cooperative agreement with the Big 3 + Tesla + Germans could make it happen quite easily, but good luck with that. So much of the US is empty space, and I for one want to be able to travel across the US with my electric vehicle.

nsequitur
11-20-2012, 08:03 AM
The world tour well underway, now in NYC (the only US stop), there is still agonizingly little details on price or appearance.

One German news source put the price at $44-50K on our side of the ocean:
http://www.plugincars.com/bmw-i3-be-burdened-price-tag-44000-plus-123053.html

Today's Business Insider, on location at the NYC tour location, quotes Jacob Harb (BMWNA Electric Strategy and Operations) as saying that that the i3 will price "very competitively" and "less than a 5-series":
http://www.businessinsider.com/bmw-i8-and-i3-electric-car-concepts-2012-11?op=1

Well Mr. Harb, I paid $44K for our 2012 528i, so I hope that is the ceiling we are talking about.

Business Insider also quotes Harb as saying that the i3 on tour is "very close" to what it will look like in production. Looking at spy photos I can't say I agree, but here's hoping.

So with the 2013 launch year literally 6 weeks away, there still little to report: when, where (euro delivery?), how (dealer order or the rumored online), and how much.

If this prices at $50K, I think it is DOA and the entire electric industry will suffer from the resulting spectacular failure. Get this into the very VERY low 40s and there is a hope I'll plunk down a deposit.

I'll never have the more lustworthy i8 at the rumoured $140K, but I do currently have $5K on deposit for a Fisker Atlantic... which may be produced in late 2014. Unlike the i3, at least I have an idea of what IT will cost (very close to $50K, leaked documents indicate).

tim330i
11-20-2012, 10:07 AM
BMW is going to be making announcements about BMW i at the LA Auto Show. Production schedule, pricing and other details could be what they give up -

There will be more BMW i news at the show.

Preview of what BMW is bringing to the LA Auto Show (http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=659138)

Andrew*Debbie
11-21-2012, 08:55 AM
So with the 2013 launch year literally 6 weeks away, there still little to report: when, where (euro delivery?), how (dealer order or the rumored online), and how much.

If this prices at $50K, I think it is DOA and the entire electric industry will suffer from the resulting spectacular failure.


I hope they offer ED at rollout. Bavaria appears to have a good public charging station infrastructure.


http://www.swm.de/english/company/innovation/electromobility/charging.html

A trip to Hohenschwangau to see "the castle" is in range. There is an 11kW Type-2 charge point there and another public charger in Fussen.

http://ev-charging.com/at/en/elektrotankstellen/stromtankstelle/1920/Ladenetzde-87645-Hohenschwangau





Price matters to no end. With all the current offerings, you really have to want to drive an electric car. An i3 priced the same as a 5 series makes a 320d or 116d a very attractive alternative.


If an i3 costs $45,000, US customers will either buy a Leaf or a Tesla.
In Europe BMW will loose EV customers to Renault. A Renault Zoe is priced about the same as a MINI Cooper. For the i3 to sell more than 20 units a year, BMW has to price it between Zoe and Leaf.




The 2nd Generation Leaf in Japan will cost 11% less than the 1st gen. I expect a similar reduction in the US 2013 Leaf.

anE934fun
11-21-2012, 01:24 PM
snip...
Price matters to no end. With all the current offerings, you really have to want to drive an electric car. An i3 priced the same as a 5 series makes a 320d or 116d a very attractive alternative.


If an i3 costs $45,000, US customers will either buy a Leaf or a Tesla.
In Europe BMW will loose EV customers to Renault. A Renault Zoe is priced about the same as a MINI Cooper. For the i3 to sell more than 20 units a year, BMW has to price it between Zoe and Leaf.


The 2nd Generation Leaf in Japan will cost 11% less than the 1st gen. I expect a similar reduction in the US 2013 Leaf.
Plus, the chatter is that the 2nd gen Leaf will have an up-rated battery pack, giving it 100 mile range.... Lower price, greater range could be compelling. i3 pricing is going to be a significant factor in its success or failure.

Andrew*Debbie
11-21-2012, 03:22 PM
Plus, the chatter is that the 2nd gen Leaf will have an up-rated battery pack, giving it 100 mile range....

The range went up but the pack capacity is the same. According to Nissan the 2nd gen car is 85kg lighter, has better regenerative braking and a more efficient electric machine.

Andrew*Debbie
11-26-2012, 04:36 AM
All we know for now is that the i3 will be "below the 5 Series" in price.


Nothing specific, but at least it won't be the same price as a 5er. I was hoping price would be at or below a 3 series.


http://green.autoblog.com/2012/11/22/bmw-i-born-electric-tour-lays-out-electric-vehicle-megacity-p/


They've also posted i3 body shell and drivetrain photos from the display in New York.

nsequitur
11-29-2012, 08:04 AM
Well, lots of news from the 2013 show, but the what/where/when/how and price are still unanswered.
This car will literally be on the road one year from today, and I still don't know where to put down a deposit (because the rumor is that this will be sold online).
And without knowing the price, I don't even know if I WANT to put down a deposit.

BMW i3 site has been updated with scads of images of an i3 coupe that came out of nowhere (the 5-door is supposed to come first).
It has the larger window for the rear passengers, but it shrunk for the driver from the concept. Does this mean still more shrinkage for all passengers in the 5-door. That would be disappointing.

News today is also that Tesla will be shortly raising its prices, so I'm biting nails wondering if BMW will give any indication on price before that happens (since a high price would push me into a Tesla).

nsequitur
11-29-2012, 08:06 AM
Several news stories out today (referencing the LA auto show debut of the i3 coupe) mention an all-electric range of 100 miles, with an optional range extender taking total to 200 miles.

Andrew*Debbie
11-29-2012, 09:01 AM
Several news stories out today (referencing the LA auto show debut of the i3 coupe) mention an all-electric range of 100 miles, with an optional range extender taking total to 200 miles.

EDIT: 100 miles is the approximate range of the concept. Nearly meaningless, since we know nothing of the conditions used to get that range.

BMW's 100 mile range implies an NEDC range of 120-140 miles. Or maybe not. Early on, Nissan said the Leaf's range was 100 miles and the NEDC turned out to be 109.


This implies a battery pack of 20 to 22kWh. That matches the pack in photos posted here --> http://green.autoblog.com/photos/bmw-i-born-electric-tour-stop-in-nyc/#photo-5451697

Battery size doesn't tell us the whole price story. But it does give some hints. Leaf battery is 24kWh.


The competition:

Nissan Leaf 109 miles NEDC and 73 milesEPA. Gen 2 (out now in Japan) is slightly higher
Renault Fluence 116 miles NEDC
Renault Zoe 131 miles NEDC

Tesla Model S with 85kWh pack - 260EPA. NEDC test due 2013.

nsequitur
12-05-2012, 11:45 AM
From Torque News, the estimate is $50K.
Hope they are wrong - who is going to pay $50K for an i3 when you can practically get a full-sized Tesla S for that price?
Not I. Thinking of getting a deposit in for Tesla X (though who knows what THAT will sell for - it's base battery is $10K more than the 40Kw base size in the S).

http://www.torquenews.com/1079/how-bmw-all-electric-i3-future

Andrew*Debbie
12-06-2012, 04:56 AM
Top of sticker for a 40kWh Model is $50k.

I think the i3 top of sticker price will be closer to $45k. Model S pricing could be why BMW reconsidered the entire program. Could also be why BMW hasn't announced a price yet.

anE934fun
12-27-2012, 12:24 AM
EDIT: 100 miles is the approximate range of the concept. Nearly meaningless, since we know nothing of the conditions used to get that range.

BMW's 100 mile range implies an NEDC range of 120-140 miles. Or maybe not. Early on, Nissan said the Leaf's range was 100 miles and the NEDC turned out to be 109.


This implies a battery pack of 20 to 22kWh. That matches the pack in photos posted here --> http://green.autoblog.com/photos/bmw-i-born-electric-tour-stop-in-nyc/#photo-5451697

Battery size doesn't tell us the whole price story. But it does give some hints. Leaf battery is 24kWh.


The competition:

Nissan Leaf 109 miles NEDC and 73 milesEPA. Gen 2 (out now in Japan) is slightly higher
Renault Fluence 116 miles NEDC
Renault Zoe 131 miles NEDC

Tesla Model S with 85kWh pack - 260EPA. NEDC test due 2013.
Is anyone aware of a calculator that can be used to determine charging cost for the EVs? Something like user enters battery pack size (better yet, select from pull-down for different cars), electricity rate per kWh, % charge left in battery pack, and calculator returns the cost to charge the pack. Would also be nice to provide the time to fully charge at the specified % charge remaining when using 220/240V and 110/120V chargers.

I have been attempting to get a handle on the cost to operate any EV using my actual electricity rate, but so far, no joy.

Thanks in advance for any assistance.

tim330i
12-27-2012, 12:11 PM
I don't think the details you're looking for exist. The complexity of calculating those details probably only exist at the manufacturers level and they're not inclined to give those out. I did find this article which I found interesting -

http://www.edmunds.com/fuel-economy/the-true-cost-of-powering-an-electric-car.html

Tim

anE934fun
12-27-2012, 10:16 PM
I don't think the details you're looking for exist. The complexity of calculating those details probably only exist at the manufacturers level and they're not inclined to give those out. I did find this article which I found interesting -

http://www.edmunds.com/fuel-economy/the-true-cost-of-powering-an-electric-car.html

Tim
(Sighs) I was afraid that was going to be the circumstance. Although the link gave me some more food for thought. Doing some further research resulted in a possible model (modern day scavenger hunt?):

1. Based on this URL ( http://www.nissanusa.com/leaf-electric-car/battery ), it appears the new battery specification for the Leaf is 24 kW.

2. On another part of the above URL ( http://www.nissanusa.com/leaf-electric-car/range?next=ev_micro.section_nav ) different range scenarios are provided to give an opportunity for matching driving profile to range expectations. For this discussion, I will use the 2-cycle testing range of 73 miles/charge.

3. Taking 1. and dividing it by 2. (per the equation proposed in the URL you provided) would seem to yield .34 kWh/mile (24 kWh/73 miles). Extrapolating out over 100,000 miles would seem to result in total electricity consumption of 34,000 kWh (.34 kWh/mile)*(100,000 miles).

With a marginal cost (aka cost for the last kWh of electricity use) per kWh of $0.30/kWh, (if my model above is correct) the 100K mile operating cost is $10,200 (34,000 kWh * $0.30/kWh). I used $0.30/kWh to factor in what the rate would be given the additional electricity use for the electric car. For comparison, if Diesel fuel averages $5/gallon over the 100,000 mile period, and I manage to average 33 mpg for the 100,000 miles, I am looking at fuel costs of $15,151.

And then there is the matter of battery pack life. Lithium battery packs seem to have a charge-discharge cycle rating around 750 to 1,000 cycles. 750 seems to be the number for complete discharge before recharge, and 1,000 if the pack is charged around the 40% remaining threshold. 40% remaining would appear to translate into a range before recharge of 44 miles (73 mile range * .6). This provides an additional perspective on range anxiety - if you want a longer battery pack life, you don't want to be driving the battery pack to full discharge (or even 10% or 20% remaining). I doubt battery packs are cheap (one article ( http://news.cnet.com/8301-11128_3-10426331-54.html ) pegged the Volt's battery pack replacement parts cost at $8,000; but that is just the parts cost, what about labor?). Interestingly, Nissan is touting their 100,000 mile guarantee on the battery pack (96 months/100,000 miles). I wonder if BMW is going to be providing a 96 month/100,000 mile warranty on the i3's battery pack?

It seems the more I learn, the more questions I have.... Anyhows, thank you for providing the link to the Edmunds article.

tim330i
12-28-2012, 08:45 AM
Great job breaking down the details, I'm impressed. While reading it occurred to me that another reason that manufactures are not likely to give out the details you're looking for is it would allow precises calculations to be done. If someone could do that they could peg the dollar value the EV is likely to cost over a gas version to plus or minus $500 (perhaps). In that case I think the true EV costs would well outshine the costs of a gas powered car and it would be hard for people to go EV. By not providing details the true costs is murky and it is easier for the feel good part of buying an EV to trump the 'possible' cost increases as they're not clear.

Hope my rambling makes sense. I'm only a cup of coffee deep, all the neurons aren't firing yet today :)

Tim

anE934fun
12-28-2012, 09:26 AM
It seems the real unknown for EV adoption is battery pack replacement cost. Tesla seems to be showing that long (~260 mile) range battery packs can be built. Prices should drop as volume increases, but there will be a battery pack replacement somewhere along the way. Everything else (brakes, tires, etc.) seems to be comparable between EVs and non-EV cars.

If BMW provides a 96 month/100,000 mile battery pack warranty similar to what Nissan is doing, EVs could become viable alternatives to the internal combustion engine power option. I suspect extended battery pack warranty will become a requirement for any manufacturer wanting to offer EVs. Given the requirement to boost CAFE ratings to 50+ mpg, EVs appear to be destined to be a significant part of the solution. I suspect part of the sales price of larger, non-EV cars will include a subsidy for the EV owners battery pack replacement.

Andrew*Debbie
01-02-2013, 12:39 PM
Is anyone aware of a calculator that can be used to determine charging cost for the EVs?

It isn't possible to get exact numbers until you start charging the car at home. You can make a rough guess that will get you close.

EDIT: Ooops, you already figured this out for yourself.



Some cars specify kWh/mile. If you don't have that use the real range (not EPA) and battery pack capacity.

For example a Renault Zoe will go between 60 and 90 miles and has a 22kWh pack.

22kW/80miles = .275kWh / mile.

Take the number of kWh you need to put back into the pack and multiply by 1.1.

Rough estimate for a Zoe is .3025kWh/mile of electricity. We pay 0.1034/kWh.

.1034 * .3025 = 0.031 per mile.

For comparison, our Z4 costs about 0.22 per mile for fuel.

Andrew*Debbie
01-02-2013, 01:01 PM
It seems the real unknown for EV adoption is battery pack replacement cost.


Another option is to lease the pack. At the moment Renault is the only manufacturer offering this. Under the lease program Renault will replace the pack whenever it drops to 75% of the advertised 22kWh capacity.


With an i3, I'd prefer to lease the entire car and return the car before the end of the battery warranty. That way BMW FS would assume the risk of unexpected battery depreciation.

shahidsaif
01-03-2013, 11:51 PM
http://s1.bimmerfest.com/gallery/BMW-i3-Concept-Coupe/medium/BMW-i3-Concept-Coupe-009.jpg

"They" keep saying it will come out in 2013, so let's assume it's a 2014 model year, and that it comes out in 3Q 2013... that's still only 1.3 years from now, and still no indication of price? The i8 gets more price talk.

I'm really considering a Tesla, but it's as big as a 5-series (which we already have), and expensive (base model is $50K + 1.5 sunroof + 1.5 leather + 1.5 jumpseats)... AFTER a $7500 tax credit.

So for me at least, the i3 makes sense if it has the same tax credit ($7500), and a base price of $40K or less - the net has to be $35K or less or forget it (IMO). So I am scouring the web weekly to find out pricing information and finding nothing.

Is this typical so close to production?
i3 will be made in Liepzig, so would i3 be eligible for euro-delivery (and discounts)?
will i3 be eligible for the BMW CCA rebate?

PLEASE UPDATE THIS THREAD WITH ANY PRICING INFORMATION DIVULGED - I WILL DO THE SAME.




May be 35k to 50k or above.

cblandin
01-13-2013, 08:57 AM
Given that my Volt stickered for $45k I cannot imagine a world where this BMW is less than that - ESP considering its lightweight construction. I would also assume BMW will follow its usual options model which could really drive the price up. Finally, the erev option will probably be a few grand too. Oh and those of us outside of California enjoy MUCH lower Electric rates. Here in Texas as an example I enjoy 7.7 cents per kilowatt hour rates. It will be interesting to see just how many folks opt for the Erev.

Andrew*Debbie
01-13-2013, 03:30 PM
Given that my Volt stickered for $45k I cannot imagine a world where this BMW is less than that - ESP considering its lightweight construction.

Yes and there is the problem.

Current EV market is something like this:


Renault Zoe 13,650 + 60/month for battery (not sold in US)
Renault Fluence 17,495 + 70/month for battery (not sold in US)
Nissan Leaf 24,995 / $27,700 (SV)
Coda $30,000
Vauxhall Ampera 29,995 / Chevy Volt $45,000
BMW 528i $47,800
Tesla Model S 40kWh $52,400 (UK price will be about the same + 20% VAT)

(There is the tiny overpriced Mitusbishi too)

I've driven the Fluence. Looked at the rest except for Coda and Zoe. (Zoe isn't out yet and Coda isn't worth looking at)


BMW has publicly said an i3 will cost less than a 5 series. They were talking about the US market. That means less than $47,800 top of sticker after govt incentives.

The Model S is in the same class as a 5 series. If a MINI Cooper was $46,000 and a 5 series was $52,000, would BMW sell very many MINIs?



Tesla is selling 100 cars a day. If the i3 really is $46,000 top of sticker BMW will be lucky to sell 100 in a year.

Jake C
02-07-2013, 06:33 PM
In the same point thinking of an i3 and starting to figure out the rough costs to see if it would be beneficial or maybe just wait and entertain a 328d when they hit the US market.

Lots of great points in this thread. Thank you all.

- J

Jake C
02-25-2013, 09:54 AM
According to the Autocar UK article in the UK at least the i3 may cost close to 38,000 GBP or close the UK 330d. I wonder if it will fall close to the US 328d or equivalent? And I wonder if that is with or without the range extender option?

- J

Andrew*Debbie
02-26-2013, 07:17 AM
38,000 should be before the UK plug in car grant. A 330d SE starts at 33,610. BMW has publicly said the US price would be below a 528i. Maybe not by much. BMW should release more information at the Geneva auto show next month.

TheCritic
02-27-2013, 12:56 PM
Current info is indeed around 40,000, or $52k US with the range extender adding about 4k.

First BMW i3 Electric Car Test Ride, 2.3 Gallon Range Extender Option To Cost About $4,000 (http://insideevs.com/first-bmw-i3-electric-car-test-ride-2-3-gallon-range-extender-option-to-cost-about-4000/)

Those numbers seem rather high given the supposed goal of 30k-50k units! Especially considering Toyota's difficulty (http://insideevs.com/toyota-discounts-the-rav4-ev-by-10000-with-0-financing-lease-from-499-zero-down/) moving a much smaller number of their promising electric, so far...


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Andrew*Debbie
02-28-2013, 02:02 AM
40.000***8364; not 40,000 :)

Jake C
02-28-2013, 08:52 AM
I don't think that UK or Euro prices translate to US prices. And based on the statement that it will be less than a 528i which starts around $47,800 and a 335i starting at around $43,150. Maybe the i3 would fall around $40,000 to $45,000?

- J

Andrew*Debbie
03-01-2013, 10:34 AM
I don't think that UK or Euro prices translate to US prices.

- J


UK prices are "On the road" including 20% VAT and other fees. US prices are top of sticker and don't even include the destination charge.


Besides that cars are just more expensive here. Market segmentation???

Jake C
03-09-2013, 04:41 PM
Quite possibly.

Cost and driving dynamics will be key I think.

- J

nsequitur
03-12-2013, 07:29 AM
Getting so frustrated I called BMWUSA last week, not daring to hope for pricing, but at least to know WHEN pricing would be announced. i3 is supposed to be SOLD in 2013, that means BUILT in about 6 months, and still it is not even known how the cars will be sold (online vs. dealerships), where it will be built (I've seen Austria, and I've heard carbon fiber bodies made in NW USA, like Washington state or something), and of course price.

I'm seeing another report this month pegging the price at a whopping $55K:
http://www.auto-types.com/autonews/the-bmw-i3-hitting-the-market-perfectly-9909.html
I just hope that exchange rate calculation doesn't hold. The euro has dropped in recent months - will that mean a cheaper i3?

There's been some great posts in this thread comparing i3 to other alternatives. I'll reiterate what I view as the closest competitor: Tesla model "S". If BMW finally does announce the i3 price, and its peashooter really is almost the same cost as the $57K Tesla, I will immediately rush out and buy TSLA stock, because it is just a vastly superior product with better range, American made, has a massive iPad in it, has lots of 'car of the year' props, and has Consumer Reports cred. The choice between i3 and Tesla, at the same price point, is a no-brainer.

My wife needs a city-commuter car, and the tesla is just too big, which is why we are waiting for i3 pricing, but they need to get it in the mid-$40s to even have a fighting chance. Nissan leaf prices are going DOWN, now in the $20s: http://www.autoblog.com/2013/01/14/nissan-leaf-becomes-least-expensive-5-seat-ev-with-massive-price/

So at $55K, i3 will cost about the same as TWO leafs?! C'mon Munich!

Jake C
03-12-2013, 08:59 AM
Well the price may be higher because it comes with a gas powered loaner as well according to this article. . . http://www.autoblog.com/2013/03/12/bmw-to-launch-loaner-program-to-avoid-range-anxiety-on-i-models/



- J

nsequitur
03-19-2013, 06:34 AM
The loaner car concept is also described in this edmunds article today:
http://www.edmunds.com/car-news/2014-bmw-i3-gas-loaner-program-to-ease-range-concerns.html

More importantly, the article gives a better indication of price:
BMW already intends to give buyers the option of adding a gasoline generator to the i3 for about $4,000 on top of the car's estimated $42,000-$48,000 price tag. That engine, a 35-horsepower, two-cylinder power plant adapted from the company's C650 GT motor scooter, would more than double the vehicle's range.

$42-48K sounds a whole lot easier to swallow than Tesla-S pricing at $55. But it is still a large range given that I expected few options other than the range-extender. I'd hoped this would be an "all-in" model when it came to options. If I can stay at the $42K price, and get the $7500 credit, I'm very interested.

Jake C
03-19-2013, 11:48 AM
The loaner car concept is also described in this edmunds article today:
http://www.edmunds.com/car-news/2014-bmw-i3-gas-loaner-program-to-ease-range-concerns.html

More importantly, the article gives a better indication of price:
BMW already intends to give buyers the option of adding a gasoline generator to the i3 for about $4,000 on top of the car's estimated $42,000-$48,000 price tag. That engine, a 35-horsepower, two-cylinder power plant adapted from the company's C650 GT motor scooter, would more than double the vehicle's range.

$42-48K sounds a whole lot easier to swallow than Tesla-S pricing at $55. But it is still a large range given that I expected few options other than the range-extender. I'd hoped this would be an "all-in" model when it came to options. If I can stay at the $42K price, and get the $7500 credit, I'm very interested.

Good find. Thank you.

- J

nsequitur
03-28-2013, 10:55 AM
A couple more reports today citing a 35K Euro price (which translates to approximately $45K), though its unknown if this is inclusive of tax credits. Also the articles don't cite any sources, so they could all be pointing to one report, which may itself be inaccurate. Maybe if the rumors are wrong BMW will finally step forward to clarify.

The other piece of new information in the most recent batch of stories is that US deliveries may not begin until January 2014, which hints that things may be a little behind schedule? Still, if europeans start getting the car in November, it should theoretically be possible to do a euro-delivery in 2013 and have the car shipped for arrival in January 2014.

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/bmw/i3/63328/bmw-i3-cost-around-ps35000.

Still: almost April and release is as early as November: 7 months and a lot of blanks to fill.

tim330i
03-28-2013, 06:40 PM
The i3 won't be coming to the US until 2014. That means the US details and pricing are at least 7 months out. This is 100% normal, pricing and details don't come out until just a few months or less before the car goes on sale.

Tim

Jake C
04-02-2013, 11:18 AM
The i3 won't be coming to the US until 2014. That means the US details and pricing are at least 7 months out. This is 100% normal, pricing and details don't come out until just a few months or less before the car goes on sale.

Tim

Ah. I recall an announcement from a BMW Official that the i3 would be a reality in 2013. Maybe that was for the EU market. Hope it hits the US early in 2014.

- J

tim330i
04-02-2013, 11:21 AM
Ah. I recall an announcement from a BMW Official that the i3 would be a reality in 2013. Maybe that was for the EU market. Hope it hits the US early in 2014.

- J

You are correct, we will see the i3 in Europe in 2013, but not in the US. I wouldn't count on an early 2014 launch for the US either. I got the impression BMW is going to see how it does in Europe first before 100% committing to bring it to the US. This was not what I was expecting.

Tim

Andrew*Debbie
04-03-2013, 10:00 AM
In a recent article Autoexpress says mid-November 2013 for Europe with the US in early 2014.


UK price will be around 35,000. Not clear if that is before or after the 5000 govt. grant.


http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/bmw/i3/63328/bmw-i3-cost-around-ps35000

Jake C
04-05-2013, 07:46 PM
Well I hope BMW decides to bring it to the US. I always like to have options. At the moment I am considering the i3, Active Tourer concept, or the 328d. I'm unsure if the 2 series will be offered in diesel format. I want a gas friendly daily driver.

- J

tim330i
04-19-2013, 08:31 AM
The i3 will start at $53,500 USD when converted from UK pricing. That is of course before any subsidies or credits.

Read more details here -> http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=690596

Jake C
05-06-2013, 09:21 PM
A hint on pricing from Autoblog... http://www.autoblog.com/2013/05/06/bmw-i3-to-be-priced-around-40-000/

- J

nsequitur
05-07-2013, 06:58 AM
A hint on pricing from Autoblog... http://www.autoblog.com/2013/05/06/bmw-i3-to-be-priced-around-40-000/

- J

You beat me to the post! Also at http://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20130506/OEM04/305069973/bmw-plans-to-price-i3-near-3-series#axzz2SYWfDtCI

Yes, the Autoblog source puts the price at $40,000 USD, not euro or GBP, and that is said to be before the $7500 tax credit. So there is cause for optimism, but don't get too optimistic: having done 2 euro deliveries where I customized options I know how quickly they add up. As I said upstream, hopefully it comes well-equipped, but if you have to shell out for seats, automatic, power seat/windows (hey: everything is a drain on the battery, so crank windows are a real possibility), it could be mid $40s in no time. The range extender will be the priciest option.

Anyway, stay tuned.

Jake C
05-07-2013, 07:56 AM
You beat me to the post!

My apologies. :thumbup: Just excited to share some more info. You are right devil is in the details as to what is included and what is not. Let's await the next leak of info and hope ED is an option.

- J

Andrew*Debbie
05-08-2013, 04:33 AM
ED in an EV???? There is a good charging network in Munch and the surrounding area. Many of the chargers are 22kW 3-phase AC.

I haven't seen any detailing information on the i3's charging capability. If the i3 could accept 3phase AC, it should charge fairly quickly.

At the moment the Renault Zoe is the only production car that for certain has an on-board AC rapid charger.

Jake C
05-08-2013, 07:54 AM
I would be game for ED in an EV. Unfortunately I think my timing will be a bit off as I will be looking to make a purchase by close this time next yr, and I have a feeling even if ED is an option for the i3 it would come out of dealer allocation and not eligible for a great deal. Which is why I am anxiously awaiting more details.

- J

nsequitur
05-11-2013, 08:42 AM
I'm also hoping for an ED, flexible dates, but realize the trip would be much more geographically constrained given my opposition to the range-extender option.

Reading the fine print in the BMWCCA magazine (page detailing club member rebate), I see there is presently an exclusion for active-E purchases, so I'm hoping that won't happen with i3. I'm counting on every credit, especially ED, to bring i3 into my price range.

Andrew*Debbie
06-08-2013, 09:13 AM
Production i3 goes live on BMW UK website at the end of July.

First UK deliveries will be 16 November.


The base UK car will be at a high standard trim. Sounds like it will be similar what is normally found on a base model in the US. Base model BMWs in the UK are stripped compared to what comes standard in the US.

Options will be bundled in 4 packages. There will be few or no options ala-cart.




Price will be 32000 to 35000 before the 5000 plug in car grant. PCP (~ US lease) payments will be around 350 per month.

Jake C
06-12-2013, 11:21 PM
100,000 reservations according to Autoblog and Automotive news Europe... http://green.autoblog.com/2013/06/12/bmw-expects-good-things-from-i3-program-has-100000-reservation/#aol-comments

Come on BMW release pricing for the US please.

- J

Andrew*Debbie
06-13-2013, 09:21 AM
100,000 reservations according to



100,000 potential requests for Test-Drives world-wide are not reservations for purchase. :)

I paid Renault for my all but useless reservation slot.


The BMW-i store in London has taken a few deposits.

Jake C
06-13-2013, 05:38 PM
100,000 potential requests for Test-Drives world-wide are not reservations for purchase. :)

I paid Renault for my all but useless reservation slot.


The BMW-i store in London has taken a few deposits.

Very true which is why I tried to note the difference. I'm awaiting some firmer cost figures before I dive in.

- J

Jake C
07-22-2013, 08:37 AM
http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=710396

We now have the answer. Within the range that I thought it would be. I have signed up for more information (I want to know standard features and cost of options) and a test drive.

- J

nsequitur
07-22-2013, 08:04 PM
Yup: $42K

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=710396

I ended up losing patience and buying a fisker karma, but still looking at this as a second vehicle. If that price holds it should do well with the $7500 federal credit. Look forward to seeing the invoice price sheet when it leaks.