Coding 6NR

[grigz95]

Hello guys. I'm based in the UK and I'm now the proud owner of an F10 520d for two days now. I have a fairly high spec car including HUD, SLI and HBA. I'm watching the LDA retrofit thread eagerly.

I've already downloaded the necessary files for coding and intend to start very soon but I'm wondering if there have been any attempts to code in the 6NR option in a similar fashion to that offered by bimmer-tech?

Once I'm up and running I'll be happy to help out where possible. Incidentally my car was manufactured in 05/2012 so is brand new and upto date.

Great effort so far, well done everyone!

[miotoo]

Hello @grigz95 welcome aboard!

I'm sure you will enjoy your new car as much as everyone else here and hope you will find the coding challenges both fun and rewarding.

Maybe you will be the 6NR Pioneer?

Edit: I forgot, also 6NR needs a FSC code as well so not sure coding will be enough even if you add it to VO and code CIC/COMBOX

[mjgood]

Hello guys. I'm based in the UK and I'm now the proud owner of an F10 520d for two days now. I have a fairly high spec car including HUD, SLI and HBA. I'm watching the LDA retrofit thread eagerly.

I've already downloaded the necessary files for coding and intend to start very soon but I'm wondering if there have been any attempts to code in the 6NR option in a similar fashion to that offered by bimmer-tech?

Once I'm up and running I'll be happy to help out where possible. Incidentally my car was manufactured in 05/2012 so is brand new and upto date.

Great effort so far, well done everyone!

My car (Sept 2011 build, F10 550i) is not eligible for 6NR according to BMW... reason being is the USB cable from the Combox to the Snap-in baseplate was not installed from the factory.

The 6NR retrofit kit from BMW requires that the USB cable be present. I installed the cable, which required removing the rear seat, front seats, center console and rear carpet... too labor intensive for BMW to perform as a retrofit.
The official retrofit kit (not avail in US) only runs wiring from the Baseplate to the back of the CIC and assumes the USB is already present.

I wanted my car to be the same a factory... the 2 places that offer the retrofit replace the USB/AUX connector with the Mini Cooper USB/AV connector, since the other method isn't really practical.. and they charge almost 3 times as much as the 6NR option costs from the factory.

@grigz95.... Since you are in the UK, I think you can get the retrofit done by BMW... the FSC code is what really allows 6NR to work... I have attached the 6NR retrofit instruction from BMW.

EDIT: I don't have 6NR working since the dealer in the US can't order the FSC code, and I'm not willing to pay $650 to the aftermarket guys just for the code and a couple hours of remote coding....
BMW uses the Snap-in adapter and the USB connector for BMW Apps, but the iPod plugin is supported from the Snap-in adapter, Mini Cooper is the opposite, the plugin is supported from the USB/AV via a special cable...

[grigz95]

@mjgood thanks for the information. Unfortunately the 6nr kit is no available as a retrofit kit in the uk at present. I know this as I've just been to my local dealership and discussed it with the parts guy, he did mention that it may be available in the future but not at present. I guess my only option will be the aftermarket guys and I would require the fsc code. I'm looking at $750 dollars or £500. I'm not sure that it's worth it. For now I may have to put this on the back burner. :(

[mjgood]

I agree.... I have a hard time justifying that amount of money for BMW Apps... main reason I wanted it was for Pandora so I wouldn't have to pay for Sirius Satellite radio....

[grigz95]

Hello @grigz95 welcome aboard!

I'm sure you will enjoy your new car as much as everyone else here and hope you will find the coding challenges both fun and rewarding.

Maybe you will be the 6NR Pioneer?

Edit: I forgot, also 6NR needs a FSC code as well so not sure coding will be enough even if you add it to VO and code CIC/COMBOX


Thanks, I'm already enjoying the car alot.

I'm aware that the FSC code is now required. Are there any aftermarket routes to obtaining one of these?

Thanks

[mjgood]

Thanks, I'm already enjoying the car alot.

I'm aware that the FSC code is now required. Are there any aftermarket routes to obtaining one of these?

Thanks

bimmerretrofit.com and bimmer-tech.net, the first is in Canada and I think the second is in Poland.... both are about the same price...

[grigz95]

@mjgood

I've been talking with Patryk at bimmer-tech and he has told me that the FSC code is 200 euro. I'm not sure if they will do it but you may just be able to order the code through them. I'm curious as to what the difference between the official BMW retrofit kit including the original cable (which I also don't have) and the aftermarket options using the mini AV cable are. Are you able to elaborate on this? Are there any functional differences. For me the option to use AUX/USB port with a cable is better than the BMW option which requires the snap-in adapter because i can hold the phone in my hand for control. Having said that I don't want to loose any functionality.


My car (Sept 2011 build, F10 550i) is not eligible for 6NR
according to BMW... reason being is the USB cable from the Combox to the Snap-in baseplate was not installed from the factory.

The 6NR retrofit kit from BMW requires that the USB cable be present. I installed the cable, which required removing the rear seat, front seats, center console and rear carpet... too labor intensive for BMW to perform as a retrofit.
The official retrofit kit (not avail in US) only runs wiring from the Baseplate to the back of the CIC and assumes the USB is already present.

I wanted my car to be the same a factory... the 2 places that offer the retrofit replace the USB/AUX connector with the Mini Cooper USB/AV connector, since the other method isn't really practical.. and they charge almost 3 times as much as the 6NR option costs from the factory.

@grigz95.... Since you are in the UK, I think you can get the retrofit done by BMW... the FSC code is what really allows 6NR to work... I have attached the 6NR retrofit instruction from BMW.

EDIT: I don't have 6NR working since the dealer in the US can't order the FSC code, and I'm not willing to pay $650 to the aftermarket guys just for the code and a couple hours of remote coding....
BMW uses the Snap-in adapter and the USB connector for BMW Apps, but the iPod plugin is supported from the Snap-in adapter, Mini Cooper is the opposite, the plugin is supported from the USB/AV via a special cable...

[mjgood]

@mjgood

I've been talking with Patryk at bimmer-tech and he has told me that the FSC code is 200 euro. I'm not sure if they will do it but you may just be able to order the code through them. I'm curious as to what the difference between the official BMW retrofit kit including the original cable (which I also don't have) and the aftermarket options using the mini AV cable are. Are you able to elaborate on this? Are there any functional differences. For me the option to use AUX/USB port with a cable is better than the BMW option which requires the snap-in adapter because i can hold the phone in my hand for control. Having said that I don't want to loose any functionality.

Either the USB or the Snap-in will let you use BMW Apps... On a BMW the 'plug-in' feature (using the menu as an iPod) is connected throughout the snap-in, Mini on the other hand decided to use that feature through the USB/AV connector..
The BMW USB/AUX (AUX has 3 connectors for audio) needs to be replaced with the Mini USB/AV (AV has 4 connectors for audio/video)....

You won't loose any functionality, actually it will be the same configuration as Mini...

The BMW retrofit kit for 6NR just runs a cable from the snap-in to the back of the CIC
The aftermarket guys replace the USB/AUX with USB/AV and run the cable from there to the CIC.

really the only difference is where you will be running the plugin feature from...

[grigz95]

So potentially I can attempt the following:

1. Purchase and install the mini USB/AV kit
2. Purchase the FSC code (if possible)
3. Work out the coding for the 6NR option and apply this myself
4. Assuming this is all possible, share this with everyone on the forum!

My next question is then, can I use the FSC code through E-Sys and if so is there any documentation on how to do this?

[miotoo]

@grigz95 the attached 6FL_6NF will help you understand the wiring when the 6NF option exists. Do you have it in your car? In this the baseplate wiring is connected as secondary 'audio in' to the aux, and is switched on in case there is nothing plugged to the aux-in. 2nd doc is general 6NR info.

[grigz95]

I do not have the 6NR option on my car. It was an option that I should have ordered but didn't. Thanks for the attached docs. I will have a look through them. Since my car is 1 month old I do need the FSC code to activate this option even if I install all of the hardware components myself, hence my question regarding how to use the FSC code if I can purchase one.

I'm not sure what the 6FL option is (I'm being lazy by not checking) but assuming that its the telephone USB option (i.e. usb connection between the snap-in baseplate and the CIC) then I do not have this option installed either. I'd prefer to use the mini USB/AV option anyway as it allows me to hold the phone connected via a iphone cable in the car. I'm hoping to be able to watch some other videos using some jailbreak tweaks. For example watching bbc iplayer is one of my goals. Obviously before that I need to the 6NR option installed.

Also, it's my understanding that the iphone snapin adapter is different depending on whether you have the 6NR option. I just purchased the non-6NR snap-in adapter so I don't want to have to buy a different one hence another good reason to use the USB/AV option.

[mjgood]

Here is a link with some good info and part numbers.. Code 6NR (http://www.bmwcoding.com/showthread.php?1944-Coded-6NR-in-post-03-11-what-is-needed-for-Plugin&p=19691&viewfull=1#post19691)

The USB/AV connector is the same that is in the Mini Countryman, BMW or Mini parts can get it for you...
You will also need to get the right connectors for plugging into the back of the CIC (don't remember if they are male of female) and I don't remember the part number, the parts guy should be able to find it for you.

If you car is at I-Level 42, you shouldn't need an FSC code... 43 and higher needs FSC, lower than 42 doesn't support 6NR.

E-Sys can import the FSC, but it wants to know some specific info about the ECU in order to do so... I don't know of anyone that has done this.

My car is at the dealer right now, I gave them the 6NR retrofit instructions and asked them to try and order the FSC, I will report back with results... I don't think they can for a US car, but you never know.

@grigz95... you will need to purchase the FSC for 6NR

[miotoo]

I do not have the 6NR option on my car. It was an option that I should have ordered but didn't. Thanks for the attached docs. I will have a look through them. Since my car is 1 month old I do need the FSC code to activate this option even if I install all of the hardware components myself, hence my question regarding how to use the FSC code if I can purchase one.

I'm not sure what the 6FL option is (I'm being lazy by not checking) but assuming that its the telephone USB option (i.e. usb connection between the snap-in baseplate and the CIC) then I do not have this option installed either. I'd prefer to use the mini USB/AV option anyway as it allows me to hold the phone connected via a iphone cable in the car. I'm hoping to be able to watch some other videos using some jailbreak tweaks. For example watching bbc iplayer is one of my goals. Obviously before that I need to the 6NR option installed.

Also, it's my understanding that the iphone snapin adapter is different depending on whether you have the 6NR option. I just purchased the non-6NR snap-in adapter so I don't want to have to buy a different one hence another good reason to use the USB/AV option.

I was asking if you have the 6NF, not the 6NR which you want to replicate..
Because if you have 6NF, then you have different connectors/wiring to the aux/usb connector as well as to the baseplate (aka snapin cradle), so need to check whether you need additional wiring material on top of the MINI aux port.

[grigz95]

Apologies, I wasn't reading that properly.

The BMW site is down for maintenance at the moment so I can't see what 6NF is but I believe that its the snap-in adapters for telephones. I do not have this option. I believe I do need to run some cables from the back of the CIC to the replaced AUX/AV adapter in the centre console box anyway and not just replace the actual connector. I'm fairly certain about that.

Thanks for the heads-up though, I'll be looking into this in more detail today.

EDIT: I do not have 6NF, I do have 6FL

[svache]

so I can't see what 6NF is but I believe that its the snap-in adapters for telephones
almost but not entirely correct.. I have this option but I do not have the snap-in adapter.. the description is the following: "MUSIC-SCHNITTSTELLE FUER SMARTPHONE", or in English: Music interface for smartphone :)

If I understand correctly, it's basically the baseplate (which I do have) on which the snap-in adapter comes :)

[miotoo]

almost but not entirely correct.. I have this option but I do not have the snap-in adapter.. the description is the following: "MUSIC-SCHNITTSTELLE FUER SMARTPHONE", or in English: Music interface for smartphone :)

If I understand correctly, it's basically the baseplate (which I do have) on which the snap-in adapter comes :)

They call it eject box...In the above pdf baseplate_6NF it is clear that the base plate exists in 2 variants. Standard and with 6NF.

In case of 6NF the baseplate has the additional wiring for audio connections to the aux port and video to the cic.

In the aux (6FL_6NF) pdf there are also 3 variants. With 6NF it has a switching mechanism between the plugged in 3.5mm plug & audio from the baseplate.

[grigz95]

Ok, it would appear that I have confused the matter somewhat by not understanding the 6NF option. I now understand what needs to be done.

My car does not have the 6NF or 6NR option. This means that if I want to install 6NR in my car I will not have the necessary wiring in base to my baseplate and will instead need to replace the USB/AUX connector in the centre console with the mini USB/AV connector and use a Y-cable adapter to connect to my idevice. In addition to this I will need to run a new cable from the back of the CIC to the new USB/AV connector and potentially make a small change to one of these wires. Here's what I know so far (there is plenty of information floating around on this on the links posted earlier in this forum)

1. The USB/AV part number that I require for my car is 84109229242 (90% certain on this)
2. The Y-cable that I require to connect my idevice to the new USB/AV adapter may be 61122179623 (I'm still researching this part)
3. I do not know what cable I require to run from the CIC to the USB/AV adapter (61122295390) has been floated around but I'm still researching and it may require some modification
4. My car being Integration Level 43 and manufactured in May 2012 would definitely need the specific FSC code (I'm investigating purchasing this seperately)
5. With all of this I would need to code the necessary functions using E-SYS

I know what I need to do now I need to do it.

[mjgood]

1. The USB/AV part number that I require for my car is 84109229242 (90% certain on this)
2. The Y-cable that I require to connect my idevice to the new USB/AV adapter may be 61122179623 (I'm still researching this part)
3. I do not know what cable I require to run from the CIC to the USB/AV adapter (61122295390) has been floated around but I'm still researching and it may require some modification
4. My car being Integration Level 43 and manufactured in May 2012 would definitely need the specific FSC code (I'm investigating purchasing this seperately)
5. With all of this I would need to code the necessary functions using E-SYS


1. not sure on the p/n, my Mini is in the shop right now so I can't check the p/n..
2. I'm looking at my Y-cable right now, that is the correct p/n.. (the circular plug has 4 rings on it)
3. I built my own cable, local parts department should have the pin connectors, just use a shielded 3 wire cable to attach the connectors, CIC connectors are female.
4 & 5. If you get the FSC from Patryk or Alex, they should be able to code/activate it for you remotely.

[grigz95]

1. not sure on the p/n, my Mini is in the shop right now so I can't check the p/n..
2. I'm looking at my Y-cable right now, that is the correct p/n.. (the circular plug has 4 rings on it)
3. I built my own cable, local parts department should have the pin connectors, just use a shielded 3 wire cable to attach the connectors, CIC connectors are female.
4 & 5. If you get the FSC from Patryk or Alex, they should be able to code/activate it for you remotely.


Thanks for the feedback on this. That's really helpful. With regards to point 3 and making my own cable, I'm really not certain at this stage what is needed, I only know that I need to run a cable from the CIC to the new USB adapter but I'm not sure what that cable needs to include. I can get hold of the retrofit cable from BMW which includes three wires (part 61122295930) but this cable is designed for cars that have the 6NF option already and unfortunately I do not have this option fitted to my car.

Did you simply augment the existing cabling for the 6FL option with your own custom made cable or was you car already pre-wired for 6NF, if I've read this forum correctly my understanding is that your car is in the same state a mine from factory (i.e. no 6NF or 6NR but 6FL).

Thanks for your feedback on this

[mjgood]

My car is a Sept 2010 build... I installed the baseplate, the only wiring for the baseplate that was existing was the antenna and power, I added the USB from the COMBOX and of course the CIC to baseplate wiring (shares the same connecter as power)....

Since your car is newer you may already have the USB cable in place from the COMBOX to the baseplate... the pocket where the baseplate would go is very easy to pop out, the cabling is just underneath, you should see 3 connectors (antenna, USB and power) they will be snapped into a bracket.

If you do have the USB existing for the baseplate, I think it would be much simpler to get a baseplate and go that route... installing the baseplate is about a 30 minute job, and then adding the 6NF to VO and coding the COMBOX and CIC to activate it...

Adding the 6NR wiring will take a while, need to remove top of center console, dash trim and CIC.. the retrofit wiring is only for the plugin feature and watching video from the iPhone/ipod, It's not required for BMW Apps (i.e.:Pandora) and will work fine without it..

[grigz95]

Actually my main focus is on the plugin and video output aswell as the BMW apps. I already have the baseplate in my car but I can't seem to work out how to remove it so that I can look at the wiring underneath. I don't expect the usb wiring to be in place as I did not pay for the 6NF option in my car so I only expect to find the antenna and power cabling.

From memory do you know the baseplate is held in place so that I can attempt to remove it on mine. I found a picture of the part in realoem but it didnt' seem to help.

[mjgood]

@grigz95....

The baseplate is held in by friction, if you pry it up along the long edge it will come up... I use a plastic pry tool (looks like a knife with very dull edges)... based on the year of your car I would be surprised that the USB cable wouldn't be there.... It doesn't take much force to remove it..
My F10 is in the shop as well as my Mini (BMW Assist issues) otherwise I would post a quick video how to pop it out....

In your iDrive menu under external devices does it show up like the attached pic? the second item is the baseplate

[grigz95]

@grigz95....

The baseplate is held in by friction, if you pry it up along the long edge it will come up... I use a plastic pry tool (looks like a knife with very dull edges)... based on the year of your car I would be surprised that the USB cable wouldn't be there.... It doesn't take much force to remove it..
My F10 is in the shop as well as my Mini (BMW Assist issues) otherwise I would post a quick video how to pop it out....

In your iDrive menu under external devices does it show up like the attached pic? the second item is the baseplate

I'll try to pry it out using a similar tool. My iDrive screen does not look this. I do not have the second baseplate option. I thought that the 6NF option was the connection to the baseplate which I didn't order on my car so I know that it's not connected to my baseplate however the cabling may just be underneath. I'm going to try and check now.

EDIT: So I've just been down to the car now and took out the baseplate. It has two wires going to the bottom. One is the antenna lead and the other appears to connect another adapter mounted to the side (I assume this is the power lead) I would have taken pictures but the weather in England is very bad at present so I just had a quick look. As I expected the third usb cable is missing meaning I would need to run this myself or just get the aftermarket retrofit from bimmertech or bimmer retrofit I guess.

[grigz95]

My car is a Sept 2010 build... I installed the baseplate, the only wiring for the baseplate that was existing was the antenna and power, I added the USB from the COMBOX and of course the CIC to baseplate wiring (shares the same connecter as power)....


So I'm in the same situation as you were. Are you willing to share more information on how you installed this cable? Is this the cable that you made yourself or did you get this part from BMW? If so, can you tell me the BMW part number please as I could order that and the retrofit kit cable and then somehow make this all work with the mini USB/AV port. At least that's what I'm thinking right now.

[mjgood]

You will need to order that cable as well as the 6NR retrofit cable... the p/n for the USB cable is 61119202749, it's supposed to be 7' long, when I got mine it was 5' and I had to splice in 2' to make it fit... running the USB cable is a big job!! you will need to remove the trunk liner, back seat, front seats, center console and the rear carpet...

I think what the aftermarket guys are doing is moving the USB cable on the COMBOX to the other port, then car then thinks your USB/AV is now the baseplate.

The aftermarket way is the simpler way to go (I wanted my car to be same as factory)... your baseplate should also have 3 leads coming from it (see attached pic) the lead with the blue end is the USB.. If it doesn't then your baseplate won't support USB...

[grigz95]

No I do not have the blue usb cable so my baseplate does not support the usb connection. I would have to install the cable, change the baseplate and then change my iphone 4 snap-in adapter that I purchased. I'm not sure how expensive this would work out.

I just looked up 61119202749 on realoem and it isn't listed as a part for the F10. Perhaps this is why it wasn't the correct length for your car? I will do some research in the morning to find out the cost for the replacement base plate, usb cable and replacement snap-in adapter and work out if I want to go this route bearing in mind I still need to pay for the FSC code and coding.

Like you say the aftermarket option where they change the wiring to fool the car into believing the replaced USB/AUX connector is the baseplate may be the best way for me to go. It also provides some additional flexibility in that (whilst stationary) I can hold and use the phone easier than in the snap-in. This is important for me because I intend to be able to use some jailbreak tweaks to watch things like bbc iplayer or use my plex client and have mobile tv in the car. This is of course for when I'm stationary.

I guess I'll have to make a choice on which may I want to go with this.

Thanks for your help

EDIT: One final question, what the p/n for the baseplate in the pic?

[mjgood]

I ordered the same baseplate that is in my Countryman, don't remember p/n, I found this on another forum....

For 6NR you need:

84 10 9 243 209 - base plate
61 11 9 202 749 - usb cable, 2.5 meters from plate to combox
61 11 9 200 890 - cvbs cable 1.0 meter from plate to CIC
84 21 2 218 390 - iphone 4 media cradle compatible with BMW Apps

[miotoo]

Not sure where anyone is with their project, but in case it helps, this is the part number of my baseplate - a car installed from factory with 6FL, 6NF & 6NR as well as the usb/aux socket.

baseplate 84109220651
usb/aux 84109237654

[grigz95]

I've given up with trying to perform this upgrade myself as I will always have a requirement for the FSC code. I'm purchased the retrofit kit from bimmer tech.

[shawnsheridan]

I've given up with trying to perform this upgrade myself as I will always have a requirement for the FSC code. I'm purchased the retrofit kit from bimmer tech.

Expensive, but at least you will have it done professionally. Are they sending you the parts and coding it remotely, or do you need to bring you car into a BimmerTech UK dealer shop?

[grigz95]

Expensive, but at least you will have it done professionally. Are they sending you the parts and coding it remotely, or do you need to bring you car into a BimmerTech UK dealer shop?

Yes, I have received the parts and I'm now waiting for instructions on how to install them. Once this is done the car will be coded remotely. It is an expensive option but it was something that I should have included with the car but for various reasons didnt. I would have preferred to do this myself but given my limited knowledge in this instance I was happy to pay. Once this is done I will feel that the car is complete.

If anyone on the forums knows how to install the hardware components and is willing to share I'd be grateful for that information ... at the moment I'm still waiting for Patryk to get back to me on this.

[shawnsheridan]

Yes, I have received the parts and I'm now waiting for instructions on how to install them. Once this is done the car will be coded remotely. It is an expensive option but it was something that I should have included with the car but for various reasons didnt. I would have preferred to do this myself but given my limited knowledge in this instance I was happy to pay. Once this is done I will feel that the car is complete.

If anyone on the forums knows how to install the hardware components and is willing to share I'd be grateful for that information ... at the moment I'm still waiting for Patryk to get back to me on this.

I think mjgood can help you in that regard.

[mjgood]

I would have thought the kit would have instructions with it, I think they are some kind of closely guarded secret :roll eyes:

I'm guessing the kit has the wiring from the USB/AV to the CIC, and a USB/AV to replace the USB/AUX..

...and you might need to move the USB cable to the other port on the COMBOX... If so then you'll need to trim part of the connector since it's keyed different.

hardest part will be removing the CIC (not really all that hard), when I get to my Windows machine I'll see if I can print out the removal procedure from ISTA-D...

[shawnsheridan]

I would have thought the kit would have instructions with it, I think they are some kind of closely guarded secret :roll eyes:

I'm guessing the kit has the wiring from the USB/AV to the CIC, and a USB/AV to replace the USB/AUX..

...and you might need to move the USB cable to the other port on the COMBOX... If so then you'll need to trim part of the connector since it's keyed different.

hardest part will be removing the CIC (not really all that hard), when I get to my Windows machine I'll see if I can print out the removal procedure from ISTA-D...

Malcom, you have an ISTA/D and ISTA/P setup? Standalone or full ISIS?

[mjgood]

I have both on VMWare, ISTA-D running 46.0 and ISTA-P running 46.3... both stand alone with 9000+ days before expire... what I really would like is an ICOM, but I'm hesitant to by the clone and can't afford the BMW...

right now I just get into ISTA-D for the removal procedures...

[shawnsheridan]

I have both on VMWare, ISTA-D running 46.0 and ISTA-P running 46.3... both stand alone with 9000+ days before expire... what I really would like is an ICOM, but I'm hesitant to by the clone and can't afford the BMW...

right now I just get into ISTA-D for the removal procedures...

Can you use E-net at all, or you must have ICOM? What about an ICOM Emulator?

[mjgood]

@shawnseridan

I tried the get the ENET to work without any luck, although I didn't put a great amount of effort into it... Darksys is the guy with the emulator, It didn't support programming just diagnostics, It's been a few months since I last checked and I think he was working on an emulator that would allow programming...

[shawnsheridan]

@mjgood; Was the emulator considerably cheaper than the Chinese ICOM clone, which I have seen running about $700 USD?

[mjgood]

@mjgood; Was the emulator considerably cheaper than the Chinese ICOM clone, which I have seen running about $700 USD?

$150.... I sent an email to your gmail with more details.....

[shawnsheridan]

$150.... I sent an email to your gmail with more details.....

Got it. Thanks!

[joafog]

I have installed the 6FL and 6NR options from BimmerTech. Everythings seems to work except video :cry:
I have the sound from the video in my car, but no picture???
It worked once, after I had tryed a lot of times with different things (do not know what) but now I cannot see the picture at all.
What could be the problem?.

Joacim

[grigz95]

I have installed the 6FL and 6NR options from BimmerTech. Everythings seems to work except video :cry:
I have the sound from the video in my car, but no picture???
It worked once, after I had tryed a lot of times with different things (do not know what) but now I cannot see the picture at all.
What could be the problem?.

Joacim

Hi,

I'm sorry I can't really help with this problem. The only things I ca n suggest is that you are definitely using the Y-Cable but I'm sure you are. Did you install the hardware components yourself?

[shawnsheridan]

I have installed the 6FL and 6NR options from BimmerTech. Everythings seems to work except video :cry:
I have the sound from the video in my car, but no picture???
It worked once, after I had tryed a lot of times with different things (do not know what) but now I cannot see the picture at all.
What could be the problem?.

Joacim
I'll assume the wiring is correct from 6FL to the Combox and CIC.

Did you add 6FL, 6NR, and 6NF to the VO, and then CODE (Not FDL Code) the Combox and CIC?

Did BimmerTech provide the 6NR FSC Code, and was it loaded and activated in the CIC?

I thought when you purchased the retrofit from BimmerTech, that included their coding it?

[cuorealfa1]

it would be nice to know about the results from both "joafog" and "grigz95".
Did you fix your retrofits?

especially the answer on the questions from shawn:

Did you add 6FL, 6NR, and 6NF to the VO, and then CODE (Not FDL Code) the Combox and CIC?

Did BimmerTech provide the 6NR FSC Code, and was it loaded and activated in the CIC?

I thought when you purchased the retrofit from BimmerTech, that included their coding it?

Thank you

[joafog]

Everything works as it should. Bimmertech is also coding everything

Joacim

[shawnsheridan]

Just in case anyone is not aware, you can without 6NF and just the stock 6FL USB Port, order the 6NR FSC Code and import and activate it, code 6NR, and have functional BMW Apps, albeit without the additional Video / PlugIn functionality provided by having a video port.

So, if all you care about is Web Radio, Pandora, Mog, Aupeo, Stitcher, Facebook, Twitter, etc., you DO NOT need to add 6NF Ejector Box or the Mini USB Port.

[cuorealfa1]

but combox is still required? or not?

[shawnsheridan]

but combox is still required? or not?
Good question. Surprisingly, it seems not according to this:

Product Planning & Strategy Bulletin
BMW Apps (option 6NR)
February 18, 2011

Availability
03/11 production for all car models
04/11 production for all X models

Ordering Requirements
The following features must be ordered to add option 6NR: 609 – Navigation with iDrive 639 – BMW Assist 6FL – iPod and USB adapter Note: For the X3, option 6NL (BMW Assist with enhanced Bluetooth

I have done it in my car, which is a 10/10 build, so it does have Combox, but is pre 03/11 production.

[cuorealfa1]

hmm ok... but with 639 BMW Assist you have the Combox Telematik in the car... so it looks like it have to be a combox there.
How i know the Combox replaced the MULF in 09/10.
Did you order your FSC by the dealer? Where they able to order it?

[shawnsheridan]

hmm ok... but with 639 BMW Assist you have the Combox Telematik in the car... so it looks like it have to be a combox there.
How i know the Combox replaced the MULF in 09/10.
Did you order your FSC by the dealer? Where they able to order it?
No. U.S. dealers said it could not be done. I went to an outfit overseas. It was $200 USD. PM me if you want their contact information. I am heading out the door now, but can respond in a couple hours.

[shawnsheridan]

hmm ok... but with 639 BMW Assist you have the Combox Telematik in the car... so it looks like it have to be a combox there.
How i know the Combox replaced the MULF in 09/10.
Did you order your FSC by the dealer? Where they able to order it?
Maybe. I thought you could get BMW Assist with the TCU / MULF setup, but I am not sure. Frankly, I see no reason at all why 639 is required anyway, as it has nothing to do with BMW Assist itself, unless of course that is their roundabout way of calling out the Combox.

[cuorealfa1]

i think Assist or Combox is required for the Internet Connectivity. Because I didn't also see that someone has retrofitted BMW Online or LIve with the MULF ( or did someone?). Otherwise the Combox would be useless. Or just usefull for the A2DP functionality.

[shawnsheridan]

i think Assist or Combox is required for the Internet Connectivity. Because I didn't also see that someone has retrofitted BMW Online or LIve with the MULF ( or did someone?). Otherwise the Combox would be useless. Or just usefull for the A2DP functionality.
The combox probably is required for the enhanced Bluetooth functionality, but the internet Connection for 6NR is though the phone SIM and data plan and not the car SIM used by BMW Assist so I just don't think BMW Assist is required.

I also have BMW Live and Internet working, but again I have a combox.

[grigz95]

This seems to have been covered off already but I had the retrofit from bimmertech. They purchased and activated the FSC code as part of the package. I didn't see how it was done but it's obviously possible as I have fully functional 6NR now through the USB/AUX rather than the phone dock. I'm actually quite glad about this now as the iPhone 5 won't be compatible with 6NR. I installed the hardware myself, it took me about 2 hours being cautious as it was the first time I'd dismantled the car.

[cuorealfa1]

Did you receive the FSC Code from Bimmertech?
Why should the iPhone 5 not be compatible?

[grigz95]

No, I never received the code. It was imported directly to the car without me ever seeing it.

The iPhone 5 will be incompatible because the new lightning port does not support analogue video. Hence plugin and video playback will not work. You may be able to get the BMW apps and standard music to work with the new lightning to 30 pin adapter that apple have released but then it would never fit in the dock so you would loose the inductive aerial connection to the car antenna.

[cuorealfa1]

No, I never received the code. It was imported directly to the car without me ever seeing it.



Hmmm ok. Not very customer friendly... ;-) You have to pay the coding again if you have an SW update by the dealer?

Is there a possibility to read out the FSC with E-sys?

[grigz95]

I hope not. I have no idea if you can read this with E-sys. Why would you want to see the code?

[shawnsheridan]

Hmmm ok. Not very customer friendly... ;-) You have to pay the coding again if you have an SW update by the dealer?

Is there a possibility to read out the FSC with E-sys?
You can extract the FSC Cert in E-Sys; however, while Dealer Programming will wipe out your custom coding, it should not have any impact on the FSC stored and activated in your FSC. After a software update, you should only need to code 6NR and that's it.

[cuorealfa1]

@shawn

It does not or it should not?
Do you know if someone has experience with this?

Thank you

[shawnsheridan]

@shawn

It does not or it should not?
Do you know if someone has experience with this?

Thank you
FSC codes are permanently written to the CIC, and Programming does not affect these at all. It is possible to intentionally deactivate them, but this is not part of programming.

[magas]

Hate to bring back an old thread but I am in a dilemma what to do.
I have a F25 2013 X3 Bought the car premade with Technology and Nav Package. I want to have video from my Iphone. Asof now I programmed my car with E-Sys and have added many useful changed like Video in motion etc...

I believe all I will need is the 6NR retrofit cable and then the FSC code. The problem is I have no idea what software is required and how to get an upload the FSC code unless I pay someone to do this remotley.
Also the new iphone 5 does not have video output via the lightning adapter as stated above.
I guess my question is is there any benefit of adding the cable for me?
What I really want to do is incorporate an AppleTV in my car to play music, vidoes, and have screen over a car Wifi router, But have never seen if it is possible to hook up a HDMI or even RCA cables to the screen. Is there maybe an aftermarket box that will do this?

[shawnsheridan]

Hate to bring back an old thread but I am in a dilemma what to do.
I have a F25 2013 X3 Bought the car premade with Technology and Nav Package. I want to have video from my Iphone. Asof now I programmed my car with E-Sys and have added many useful changed like Video in motion etc...

I believe all I will need is the 6NR retrofit cable and then the FSC code. The problem is I have no idea what software is required and how to get an upload the FSC code unless I pay someone to do this remotley.
Also the new iphone 5 does not have video output via the lightning adapter as stated above.
I guess my question is is there any benefit of adding the cable for me?
What I really want to do is incorporate an AppleTV in my car to play music, vidoes, and have screen over a car Wifi router, But have never seen if it is possible to hook up a HDMI or even RCA cables to the screen. Is there maybe an aftermarket box that will do this?
Do you have factory 6NF Cradle?

[grigz95]

If you have an iPhone 5 there is no point as it doesn't support iPadOut so the plugin will never work (at least until apple or a third party provide support for this, which I think is unlikely). If your after the other features of 6NR like FB, twitter etc then those features should still work.

Personally I wouldn't waste the money on something you won't be able to use properly.

[shawnsheridan]

If you have an iPhone 5 there is no point as it doesn't support iPadOut so the plugin will never work (at least until apple or a third party provide support for this, which I think is unlikely). If your after the other features of 6NR like FB, twitter etc then those features should still work.

Personally I wouldn't waste the money on something you won't be able to use properly.
I retrofitted 6NR with FSC Code only. I do not have 6NF, nor the FBAS Video connetion to CIC. I could care less about Video, or Facebook, Twitter, etc., but the streaming Pandora and other Music Apps made it worthwhile to me.

[grigz95]

I always forget about Pandora as it's not available in the UK. I guess if you're after that then the solution you've engineered would be worth it. :)

I only use the plugin feature with iTunes Match and that works well for me but does require iPodOut (error in my previous post) for the video connection which won't work on an iPhone 5.

[contifan]

Hi MJGood
seek some help from you, a good pal of mine managed to get the FSC code for activation 6NR for my F07. now my plugin cant run due to no 6NF. my car has 6FL. from what i read so far understand the following can be done:
1. buy the USB cable 61119215854.
2. buy the USB hub 84109237654.
3. Buy the baseplate for 6NR.
3. install the baseplate, hub and pull the usb extension from baseplate to combobox.

am I correct?

Do i have to do anything such as:
1. connect anything to the new usb video hub
2. any requirement for coding or such?

thanks a million!

[kon]

Interesting... a local workshop seems to have found a way to activate 6NR in 5 minutes... not sure if it involves FSC codes, but the features (as advertised) seems to be limited to the "Apps" without video (Pandora, Aupeo, Facebook, etc)... anyone found anything new in this regard?

[contifan]

5 mins will be surprising to me.

[kon]

5 mins will be surprising to me.

I'm guessing false alarm, the rate the shop is charging, most likely FSC code is involved, but VO coding 6NR should take about 5-10 mins assuming everything were pre-started, and no waiting for the "logging" of esys :rofl:

[shawnsheridan]

Hi MJGood
seek some help from you, a good pal of mine managed to get the FSC code for activation 6NR for my F07. now my plugin cant run due to no 6NF. my car has 6FL. from what i read so far understand the following can be done:
1. buy the USB cable 61119215854.
2. buy the USB hub 84109237654.
3. Buy the baseplate for 6NR.
3. install the baseplate, hub and pull the usb extension from baseplate to combobox.

am I correct?

Do i have to do anything such as:
1. connect anything to the new usb video hub
2. any requirement for coding or such?

thanks a million!
You can go the 6NF retrofit route, or you can do as many others have done and replace the 6FL USB Aux-In Connector with the USB A/V-In Connector from the Mini-Cooper.

[dseah]

If you are going for the 6NF route not need to get the USB HUB, get the USB cable directly connected to the combo box and baseplate, which currently that was what being installed on my car. :)


Hi MJGood
seek some help from you, a good pal of mine managed to get the FSC code for activation 6NR for my F07. now my plugin cant run due to no 6NF. my car has 6FL. from what i read so far understand the following can be done:
1. buy the USB cable 61119215854.
2. buy the USB hub 84109237654.
3. Buy the baseplate for 6NR.
3. install the baseplate, hub and pull the usb extension from baseplate to combobox.

am I correct?

Do i have to do anything such as:
1. connect anything to the new usb video hub
2. any requirement for coding or such?

thanks a million!

[contifan]

Thanks very much for the replies!

[eliw]

I am having a nightmare trying to retrofit or more more precisely, "trying to find out if I can" retrofit 6NR in my car.

I have an X3 production date October 2012 - it has combox + Bluetooth + professional Navi + Assist + Connecteddrive + + + what it does not have is BMW apps 6NR cause no one told me about it when I placed my order

Now it seems like for a proper 6NR retrofit I need Combox + Prof Navi + 6FL + 6NF but on my Vin check all I have is 6NL (no mention of 6FL or 6NF) which is strange as I can connect my iphone4s via the USB in the centre console and get album art - I can even get album art if I use spotify or last FM and can control all from steering wheel (move up or down playlist) ! - I also have a base plate in the centre console - but I have not bought a Snapin adapter yet (cause of the lack of knowledge of BMW parts guy or at least that's what I think.)

Now obviously if my USB port can show album art for even apps running on the phone, it can only mean 6FL is present also if I have a base plate (with gold connectors on it) can it also mean that I also have 6NF (I am not sure here... please correct me).

The service part guy said I can't buy the media snap in because I do not have 6FL (he did a vin check) - but now I am certain that I have 6FL cause this document actually proves it: http://ebookbrowse.com/gdoc.php?id=4...0fb1f551719f31 (please check page 35 says 6FL is included in 6NL). So I am going back to the service guy to show him this doc.

The last part of the puzzle is 6NF - my vin does not mention this but I have the baseplate with proper gold connectors - again I believe this is also included in 6NL (but not sure) - the only mention of 6NF in the above document is on page 30 - says baseplate (only with 6NF) so my assumption that I have 6NF is the fact that I actually have a base plate in my car can anyone please confirm this?

I believe BMW have to have a long hard look at their option naming as it is a complete mess... a lot of us buying these expensive cars wouldn't care less about adding an important option if it only cost $150 (as is the case with 6NR for me) but because of their complete naming mess we miss out sometimes or think we missed out (as I think it is the case with me and my service guy)...

What I believe has happened here is that BMW has added a new option called 6NL which includes a couple of other options (6FL and 6NF) without making it completely clear to their dealers what it actually does or means....

Sorry about the long post.

[contifan]

You are right. Now there is a new package. Can see from bmw website downloaded catalogue. You still need BMW Apps. Just get the FSC code, and someone to activate your car with IATA. I think...

[eliw]

SO you think I do not need any additional hardware to get BMW APPS ?

No clue what FSC codes are .. and certainly even less clue on what IATA is :)

[shawnsheridan]

SO you think I do not need any additional hardware to get BMW APPS ?

No clue what FSC codes are .. and certainly even less clue on what IATA is :)
6NL does include 6FL, but i do not think it also includes 6NF.

Even if you have 6NF though, it is only when you order 6NR that the FBAS video line from the 6NF base plate is run to the CIC.

So, you do not have all the hardware needed. At the minimum, you need the FBAS Video line, and quite possibly, you also need the 6NF base plate.

Aside from that, you can get BMW Apps working, albeit without Video and iPod Out, with just what you have and a 6NR FSC Code imported and activated in your CIC.

[contifan]

should be a smaller scale job.

[contifan]

@shawnsheridan
In order to retrofit 6NF do i have to run a connection from base plate to usb hub (both inside center compartment)?
Or just direct base plate to combo box?

thanks..

[eliw]

Aside from that, you can get BMW Apps working, albeit without Video and iPod Out, with just what you have and a 6NR FSC Code imported and activated in your CIC.

So say if all I wanted was to get BMW Apps through the USB port (no need for ipod plugin or video out) can I just ask my dealer to activate it ? Can they refuse to do it ? will it need just a software activation and no hardware at all ?

Say the dealer refused to do it, what are my options then to obtain these FSC codes and get it activated ?

[shawnsheridan]

@shawnsheridan
In order to retrofit 6NF do i have to run a connection from base plate to usb hub (both inside center compartment)?
Or just direct base plate to combo box?

thanks..
Sorry, but I don't know for sure as i have not done it. Contact user mjgood. He did an OEM 6NF retrofit.

[shawnsheridan]

So say if all I wanted was to get BMW Apps through the USB port (no need for ipod plugin or video out) can I just ask my dealer to activate it ? Can they refuse to do it ? will it need just a software activation and no hardware at all ?

Say the dealer refused to do it, what are my options then to obtain these FSC codes and get it activated ?
Your Dealer will not help you. You will have to buy an FSC Code (and not form your Dealer), and have it Imported and Activated in your CIC, then 6NR added to your VO, and VO Code CMB_MEDIA and HU_CIC.

The FSC Code, including Importing and Activating can be purchased for $250. If you need contact information, PM me.

[magas]

Where do the fsc codes come from? Is it just a toggle on or off in esys? And how do you program it? I really would like to figure this out..

[shawnsheridan]

Where do the fsc codes come from? Is it just a toggle on or off in esys? And how do you program it? I really would like to figure this out..
They come from BMW's ASAP Portal. They are heavily encrypted binary files based on your VIN and the Option Code that after Importing and Activating in the Head Unit enables the Option Code to work.

[magas]

So its just vin specific? So i toggle options on but also need to enter the fsc code too? Is this all done with esys?

[magas]

I thought i read that you can sometimes pull them with eys as wel in a binary file is that incorrect?

[shawnsheridan]

So its just vin specific? So i toggle options on but also need to enter the fsc code too? Is this all done with esys?

Yes. You can code on BMW Apps for example, but without a proper FSC Code for your VIN in your Head Unit, it will not work.

I thought i read that you can sometimes pull them with eys as wel in a binary file is that incorrect?
You can read your FSC Codes with E-Sys. They can be Imported and Activated as well, but you need a special FSC Certificate (.der file) to do it.

[magas]

So how can we get the der file?

[magas]

This is what I want to do. Get fsc code and also cable to get 6nr retrofit.
Use my old iphone 4 to have video out and audio out to car monitor.
Then use that iphone 4 to run Airplay with a jailbroken app from cydia.
Now i can hypothetically connect my iphone 5 screen and music etc to my screen with no plugs.
1. I need fsc code
2. 6nr cable
3. Help getting the above.
When i get this to work ill post a DIY if people are interested.

[dseah]

Yes. You can code on BMW Apps for example, but without a proper FSC Code for your VIN in your Head Unit, it will not work.


You can read your FSC Codes with E-Sys. They can be Imported and Activated as well, but you need a special FSC Certificate (.der file) to do it.

Hi Shawn,

This special FSC Certificate (.der file) is it one of the file given when a order made. As I was given three files:-

(.xml file)
(.fsc file)
(.der file)

[shawnsheridan]

This is what I want to do. Get fsc code and also cable to get 6nr retrofit.
Use my old iphone 4 to have video out and audio out to car monitor.
Then use that iphone 4 to run Airplay with a jailbroken app from cydia.
Now i can hypothetically connect my iphone 5 screen and music etc to my screen with no plugs.
1. I need fsc code
2. 6nr cable
3. Help getting the above.
When i get this to work ill post a DIY if people are interested.
I have a source for your 6NR FSC Code. It is $200 USD for just the FSC Code, or $250 including Importation and Activation.

[shawnsheridan]

So how can we get the der file?

Hi Shawn,

This special FSC Certificate (.der file) is it one of the file given when a order made. As I was given three files:-

(.xml file)
(.fsc file)
(.der file)

Yes, the .der file that accompanies the FSC Code should work.

[magas]

Ok is the der file. Car specific or can it be used on any bmw?

[shawnsheridan]

Ok is the der file. Car specific or can it be used on any bmw?
Both. When you buy an FSC Code, you get a matching .der Certificate that goes only with that specific FSC Code. There is also a zentrale Master Freischaltcodestelle-Produktiv Certificate, which I believe can be used for any FSC Code.