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TALEI1
06-28-2012, 01:54 PM
Ok so I just recently (on 05-01-12) bought my 2009 550i less than 2 months ago. Ever since I have been reading about all the engine tuning(JB4 & Cobb) that's available for the 535i.

It sounds extremely fun and tempting and I'm thinking maybe I should trade in my 550i which I love, for all the tuning options available on a 535i. Obviously I bought the 550i for the nice V8 growl that it has and the sport package look which I love and I know that I can get the a M Sport package on the 2010 535i which well make the car look the same. I just want a 5 series car that is faster 0-60...maybe under 5 seconds.

Any thoughts about this crazy idea of mine and well it be worth it?

themust
06-28-2012, 03:29 PM
Seems like a very personal decision. I,too, have been reading all these strings on the Cobb and other performance enhancements for my 08 535i and am about ready to take the plunge and embarck upon what I know will be a slippery slope (of a whole lotta fun and speed!) I believe the 535s are also a bit more balanced from a handling perspective as the engine isn't as heavy. There are some other strings here about the contrasts in handling dynamics. Whatever you do, have fun and enjoy your ride.

Kamdog
06-28-2012, 03:30 PM
Yes.

You are crazy.

There is no replacement......

The tuned six is gonna be stressed. The big eight is not gonna be stressed. The tuner will be peakey. The eight will be smooth. The eight will burble. The six will not.

You have more than plenty power.

borderchris
06-28-2012, 04:03 PM
I've driven both, and trust me, a Cobb-ed out 535i doesn't hold a candle to a 550i in light to light feel, in terms of torquey-feel and satisfying grunt. 1/4 mile? Perhaps a little better, but it won't be in the low 12's or anything like that. They're both mid 13's cars. You've got to wind ia 535i up all the way for max power, and you're stressing the hell out of that motor for what you're getting. Drive one first- and you'll change your mind quickly. Numbers are one thing, but the feel and sound are just worlds apart.

PolkNole
06-28-2012, 04:55 PM
Straight up, I'd take the tuned 535i over a 550i all day long. Faster, lighter, more efficient.

But I wouldn't sell a 550i to buy a 535i. Not worth the hassle or expense.

borderchris
06-28-2012, 06:28 PM
Straight up, I'd take the tuned 535i over a 550i all day long. Faster, lighter, more efficient.

But I wouldn't sell a 550i to buy a 535i. Not worth the hassle or expense.

Lighter? Give me a break, man. Not by much. And faster? Again, give me a break. 5.1, 5.2 seconds. 550is do that all day long with the right launch, on a friggin paper filter. As another poster said here, my 550i lifts the same weights all natural compared to you on steroids, crack and a short lifespan. I'm going to laugh my ass off when all of your insanely boosted cars start eating valve seals, head gaskets and cats.

A 2008 550i in a Road and Track magazine test ran 0-60mph in 4.8 sec and quarter mile time of 13.3 @ 105 mph. Good luck in doing that without max-stage, engine risking settings in a 535i.

Just be happy with your boosted 535i. Boost is also called V8 envy... :rofl:

CT535ix
06-28-2012, 06:33 PM
I have a 2009 535ix, 45,450 mi, fully loaded perfect condition. Hpfp replaced at 13k, no issues since.

Whatcha got on your 550?

Munich77
06-28-2012, 07:13 PM
Ok so I just recently (on 05-01-12) bought my 2009 550i less than 2 months ago. Ever since I have been reading about all the engine tuning(JB4 & Cobb) that's available for the 535i.

It sounds extremely fun and tempting and I'm thinking maybe I should trade in my 550i which I love, for all the tuning options available on a 535i. Obviously I bought the 550i for the nice V8 growl that it has and the sport package look which I love and I know that I can get the a M Sport package on the 2010 535i which well make the car look the same. I just want a 5 series car that is faster 0-60...maybe under 5 seconds.

Any thoughts about this crazy idea of mine and well it be worth it?

Your car is a 5 second car.... the 535 is not worth the hassle. Yes the engine can be tuned but why go from reliable to HPFP land.

PolkNole
06-28-2012, 07:27 PM
Borderchris - 280 pounds lighter is a lot. As for faster, it's a good chunk faster with a tune.

Munich, tunes have nothing to do with HPFP issues. BTW, that's so 2 years ago.

As for those that say it increases wear on your engine…you're right. But the engine can take it. That's why BMW themselves boost this exact engine themselves - its just that when BMW does it, they stick an M on the car.

TALEI1
06-28-2012, 07:29 PM
My 550i is stock and automatic... Haven't touched anything yet. Kinda wish I had found a manual but oh well. Just drove it home from work on the freeway and opened it up, really smooth over 80 flies like butter...

TLO03
06-28-2012, 07:36 PM
i wouldn't do it just because the beating you'll take. But tuning a 535 sure is fun. $600= more tq more hp.

jim165
06-28-2012, 08:15 PM
If you are going to take a bath on trading just because you want to tune a 535i, at least get an F10...

Thegame6752
06-28-2012, 09:12 PM
I got a JB4 tunner I bought 2 weeks ago that I'm going to sell if anyones looking. I found I just don't use it here in Vegas so midas well give it up to someone who will. The low end torque is nice. Always like getting pushed back into the seat when I barely hit the gas. I have the receipt that shows the purchase date and I'll give it up for less then you can buy it from burger. PM for info.

TLO03
06-28-2012, 10:19 PM
If you are going to take a bath on trading just because you want to tune a 535i, at least get an F10...

Best advice yet.

Munich77
06-29-2012, 03:37 AM
Borderchris - 280 pounds lighter is a lot. As for faster, it's a good chunk faster with a tune.

Munich, tunes have nothing to do with HPFP issues. BTW, that's so 2 years ago.

As for those that say it increases wear on your engine…you're right. But the engine can take it. That's why BMW themselves boost this exact engine themselves - its just that when BMW does it, they stick an M on the car.

I might be but my car still does not run 100% all the time. I would rather have a V8 than a turbo.

phlfly
06-29-2012, 05:49 AM
I would trade for E90 4 door M3 right on spot, if I had money

HPIA4v2
06-29-2012, 06:20 AM
Someone just open an old can of worms and thrown in a bunch of new worms in the mix:rofl:

Some kids at e90post forums talked about running neck-to-neck between 335i with DP/meth/FMIC against boosted SC M3.

BTW, I was looking at motorweek last week, Porsche Cayman R shave off only 110lb and jack up the price by $4k compare to S, and to some even that was a big deal. So I believe 250-280lb is bigger deal.

phlfly
06-29-2012, 06:53 AM
yes the 335 can run at neck with M3 on 1/4 mile, but dynamics on M3 is superior , 335 will not even close on track, and it's M3, well it's like compare some Mustang with super charge to Porsche 911 S.
I think it's useless to buy BMW then do modes to boost power up to M series cars, it's easy just buy M series.

Add:

But it's just me, because I had M3 and I tell you it's crazy awesome car, and well more different then any normal production BMW. It feels and drives like a sport car (I didn't say performance car), it's two steps ahead of C-class AMG at least, You got to have one before understand what I do mean by this, the test drive will not fill you up with M-series emotions.

luxcar
06-29-2012, 07:21 AM
yes the 335 can run at neck with m3 on 1/4 mile, but dynamics on m3 is superior , 335 will not even close on track, and it's m3, well it's like compare some mustang with super charge to porsche 911 s.
I think it's useless to buy bmw then do modes to boost power up to m series cars, it's easy just buy m series. But it's just me.

+1

jsimon7777
06-29-2012, 07:37 AM
Not crazy, just weird. :) Go spend your money then tell us which you prefer.

conrua
06-29-2012, 11:27 AM
Ok so I just recently (on 05-01-12) bought my 2009 550i less than 2 months ago. Ever since I have been reading about all the engine tuning(JB4 & Cobb) that's available for the 535i.

It sounds extremely fun and tempting and I'm thinking maybe I should trade in my 550i which I love, for all the tuning options available on a 535i. Obviously I bought the 550i for the nice V8 growl that it has and the sport package look which I love and I know that I can get the a M Sport package on the 2010 535i which well make the car look the same. I just want a 5 series car that is faster 0-60...maybe under 5 seconds.

Any thoughts about this crazy idea of mine and well it be worth it?

Not to answer a question with a question but do you want a faster and more powerful car or do you want to be able to tune the car? Why not trade-up to a pre-owned M5 for status and obviously more power/faster. If you really want a car so you can tune/mod it, there are easy mods you can do to the 535i. I have a 2010 535i so the Cobb mod is just plug n play for me. I'm sure you can mod the 550i as well but not as easily as the 535i ... everyone corrects me if I'm speaking out of terms here since I don't own a 550i.

Your money ... do what makes you happy and don't go broke $$$. :angel:

Arctic-Rodz
06-29-2012, 12:52 PM
I was also disappointed on how limited tuning options are for the E60 550i cars.

If I had done more reaserch, I wouldve waited and bought an F10 550i. V8 +Turbo from the factory? Yes please

HPIA4v2
06-29-2012, 01:32 PM
I was also disappointed on how limited tuning options are for the E60 550i cars.

If I had done more reaserch, I wouldve waited and bought an F10 550i. V8 +Turbo from the factory? Yes please
I was looking at 550i in beginning of 2007, saw a few 335i (rolling into dealer in Nov 2006) with N54 and how everyone was blown away by it's performance; I decided to wait cause I knew BMW must put this new engine in 5-series eventually. Was the first one to order my 535i back in April 2007 with new sport trans. I know tunes will always abundant for forced-induction engine regardless mfg.

Watch, the new M3 will have turbos, will see if sales dip cause the "purist" always say they won't buy FI M-cars, will see indeed...

booyaazaa
06-29-2012, 06:52 PM
Yes you are. You already have a great car. I would've gone with a 550i back in April when I picked up my 535i but my 80mi roundtrip commute would kill me in gas cost had I gone with the awesome V8 (little bit of a lead foot). Not to say that I'm not having fun with modding my 535i but I really love the V8's power and sound.

DaIceCreaMan
06-29-2012, 08:30 PM
Funny, your asking the same question most people ask when they are debating on buying a 535 or a 550... same question I asked as well and I just bought my 09 550i a month ago. My biggest reasons for not getting a 535.. I would end up spending alot to make the 535 into a 550i with performance, sound of the engine and with looks and it just wasn't worth it to me but could be for you.

Its your and your money spend it however and on whatever makes you happy. I'd rather save up and buy a supercharger if I really wanted to get more power out of my 550 which would blow any modded 535 out of the water.

Oceans10
06-29-2012, 09:42 PM
Its your and your money spend it however and on whatever makes you happy. I'd rather save up and buy a supercharger if I really wanted to get more power out of my 550 which would blow any modded 535 out of the water.

ESS makes an Eaton roots supercharger kit for the 550 engine. It adds 100 hp over stock, or up to 140 if you include an intercooler. The kit is $8-10k plus installation.
This is essentially what Alpina did for the B5, which is a 500 hp beast. :thumbup:

A 535 can be upgraded with tuning software, dual cone intake, larger downpipes, methanol injection and RB turbos for around $5,000 in parts plus install. It then posts 480 WHP and 530 WTorque on the dyno, so add around 18% to get crank values.

For some reason almost nobody mod their 550s. Maybe due to cost. It seems more prevalent on M5s and M3s.

Kayani_1
06-29-2012, 09:55 PM
Well I have a 545i and a E92 335i coupe. As far as the engine goes the V8 is a bit more silky smooth in its delivery. That is if you compare stock vs stock. But once the N54 in my 335i is @ 1500 rpm then there is no looking back. Also, gas mileage wise N54 is better. There is no revving the N54 to get power like some poster said earlier. Infact the N54 is strong like a beast at lower revs with plenty of torque. Infact you might have to rev the V8 a bit more to extract full potential.

Once I put the Cobb tune on my N54 335i. It was another story. You are talking about 30% extra power with no loss of fuel economy. It is a win/win situation in my opinion. Also, cobb is very user friendly.

I think 535i with a tune makes more sense. Specially when you take gas mileage and gas prices into account. I would say go for E60 535i or better yet go for the new F10 528i. It has tunes being developed for it and in no time you could have fuel efficiency of a 4 cylinder with a power of a V8. Only thing is just make sure you do not take a beating on your trade. If you can sell it or trade it for a great deal then go ahead. Otherwise the E60 550i is plenty powerful at the expense of fuel economy.

yahtzee
06-30-2012, 07:10 AM
I bought a brand new 535i in 2008. Drove it for 6 mos and tuned it with Vishnu. Loved the speed but made the mistake of test driving the new M3. Sold my 535i and bought a brand new M3 sedan. Amazing car. Not as comfortable as my E60 and needed that for my commute at the time. Sold my M3 and bought a brand new 2008 550i with M-Sport. That was 4 years ago. Still. In. Love.

Your money but I prefer the 550 over the 535. I also prefer the early model as the newer ones drive like a small 7 series.

300zxmuro
06-30-2012, 08:35 AM
I believe is a personal thing.

I would never add anything additional to the OEM engine. The reason is the high maintenance and possibility of breaking other parts or resale value. A lot of people will not buy a car that has been pushed over its limits. If I would like more power I would go higher, if you have a i550 get the M5 and leave it standard. I understand a lot of bmw owners who like to tweak their cars will not care about anything I just said. Again, it depends on the person. I think you are nuts to go from a 550 to a 535. I am crazy waiting to 2014 to rid my 08 535i and get into a 2012 i550.

If you decide to make the move, spend all that money and come back with impressions to see if at the end will worth the time and money.

TALEI1
06-30-2012, 10:42 AM
Just the fact of dealing with trading in the car and getting a beating doing it plus spending hours at the dealership is turning me off from the whole process. I initially made an appointment at a local dealership then never made it in, I think Ill just enjoy the 550i for now and maybe if I get tired of it then trade it up for an F10 550I when there more affordable...

phlfly
06-30-2012, 12:18 PM
Wise. V8 is awesome and it's last none turbo car from BMW, remember that. EPA standards did drove BMW to the corner. Clarkson said, it seems to him all these V8, V10 beauty are going away and it's very sad, we are all soon enough find ourselves driving an electrical cars or some a sort alternative fuel engines. No more that amazing sound from the V8 or V10. Enjoy while is available.