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south26
07-18-2012, 06:18 PM
Hi looking for a touring and I was wondering

1. How common are manuals?
2. major issues?
3. any years better then others?
4. what is the better engine?
5. Good price

Munich77
07-18-2012, 06:30 PM
Time for searches

Manuals are not common at all - only a small fraction of the wagons were manuals.

Major issues - in addition to N54 turbo specific problems you have the major issue with the sun roof drains clogging up, water getting into the spare tire wheel where the electronics are located and then frying them.

toga94m
07-18-2012, 08:49 PM
What he said... when I decided to hunt for a used E61, I also wanted a manual. I also had read horror stories about the 535 turbo and its fuel pump, so between that and fuel mileage (and my oversize right foot) I went for the 530xiT. That (and not wanting a really really used car) limited me to MY2006 or 2007 cars. For a few weeks, there were only two for sale online in the entire USA. I finally found mine four hours away thru a large-area Craigslist search, private seller.

Today, there are two on cars.com - both in Ohio, both 2006 530xiT. There's a third - a 2009 535xiT in California. So there are 3 manual wagons out of 7352 5 series from 2004-2010 - 0.04% are wagon + manual.

I've had the car since April. Within a few weeks, the sunroof runoff trays (not the drain tubes!) got blocked by internal roof insulation that fell down, which wicked rainwater onto the headliner, then down to the battery area. I caught and fixed it before anything fried.

Last week the hatch latch broke, so the car's been tied shut with a shoelace until today (9 days later) when the part arrived. Tomorrow I'll finish putting the trim panels back on. I haven't met my local dealership yet.

My summertime daily driver is my 94 Miata, so I won't know about BMW daily reliability until October. It's gotten about 1600 miles since April, now at 111,115.

filmoreslim
07-18-2012, 09:02 PM
I have a 2010 E61 and never had any of the issues raised here. 26,500 miles...

filmoreslim
07-18-2012, 09:10 PM
Hi looking for a touring and I was wondering

1. How common are manuals?
2. major issues?
3. any years better then others?
4. what is the better engine?
5. Good price

1. There are one or two for sale right now. I may be selling mine prior to lease end. I have a 2010 manual M sport pkg with ventilated seats, probably the most unique E61 stateside.

2. Never a major issue.

3. Heard horror stories about older vehicles but I believe mine (someone correct me if I'm wrong) has the N55 twin turbo which has caused all the fuss and it is still being deployed in 3,5,6, and 7 series so it must have been fixed.

5. The only manuals I've seen online and a dealer in San Francisco confirmed this were $48 K plus-I saw one for $48,500 with no sport package or cool options.

Munich77
07-19-2012, 04:30 AM
1. There are one or two for sale right now. I may be selling mine prior to lease end. I have a 2010 manual M sport pkg with ventilated seats, probably the most unique E61 stateside.

2. Never a major issue.

3. Heard horror stories about older vehicles but I believe mine (someone correct me if I'm wrong) has the N55 twin turbo which has caused all the fuss and it is still being deployed in 3,5,6, and 7 series so it must have been fixed.

5. The only manuals I've seen online and a dealer in San Francisco confirmed this were $48 K plus-I saw one for $48,500 with no sport package or cool options.

The N55 was never offered in the E60....

Oceans10
07-19-2012, 10:15 AM
The N55 was never offered in the E60....

Brother Munich is correct. The N55 is a single turbo evolution of the twin turbo N54. It is offered in the F10 535 launched in 2011 model year. The 2008-2010 535 has the TT N54.

south26
07-21-2012, 07:05 AM
thanks for the info.

Andy

aherman535
07-22-2012, 08:41 AM
In case anyone is interested - I have a 2010 E61 coming off lease in Sept. Euro Delivery October 2009. Neptune Blue, Beige Nasca ventilated Leather, multi-countour seats, active cruise, Logic 7, Sport, Cold weather, comfort access, heated rear seats, park distance, hud, lane departure, 6fl ipod interface.

I love the vehicle and obviously can't replace it. So why am I getting rid of it:

1. Comfort access never worked properly - was in shop for a month for this
2. Multiple fuel injector replacements
3. Fuel pump replacements
4. Sun roof leak - lucky - no damage.
5. Lane departure camera died after software update - fixed now
6. Accident - someone backed into right rear door requiring replacement - paint match pretty good, but I still notice. Done by BMW certified shop.
7. Low voltage issue - replaced battery with AGM type

As I get close to turning this in - car is running great. Will still have 1 full year warranty left. Approx 29k miles.

I've got a 2012 535i sedan due in from this summer's ED in a couple of weeks. I will MISS my wagon.

If anyone has an interest, let me know. Only brave souls need apply.

Located in Greensboro NC.


Andrew

Oceans10
07-22-2012, 08:58 AM
Didn't BMW fix everything under warranty? How many months left of warranty? Sounds like an awesome ride.

aherman535
07-22-2012, 09:09 AM
It is a great ride. I wish I could replace the vehicle. Yes, they did fix most everything under warranty. Comfort Access is flakey. About 1 year and 20k miles left on warranty and maintenance.

A

zolabmw
07-22-2012, 02:33 PM
What he said... when I decided to hunt for a used E61, I also wanted a manual. I also had read horror stories about the 535 turbo and its fuel pump, so between that and fuel mileage (and my oversize right foot) I went for the 530xiT. That (and not wanting a really really used car) limited me to MY2006 or 2007 cars. For a few weeks, there were only two for sale online in the entire USA. I finally found mine four hours away thru a large-area Craigslist search, private seller.

Today, there are two on cars.com - both in Ohio, both 2006 530xiT. There's a third - a 2009 535xiT in California. So there are 3 manual wagons out of 7352 5 series from 2004-2010 - 0.04% are wagon + manual.

I've had the car since April. Within a few weeks, the sunroof runoff trays (not the drain tubes!) got blocked by internal roof insulation that fell down, which wicked rainwater onto the headliner, then down to the battery area. I caught and fixed it before anything fried.

Last week the hatch latch broke, so the car's been tied shut with a shoelace until today (9 days later) when the part arrived. Tomorrow I'll finish putting the trim panels back on. I haven't met my local dealership yet.

My summertime daily driver is my 94 Miata, so I won't know about BMW daily reliability until October. It's gotten about 1600 miles since April, now at 111,115.

I bought my 2007 530xiT 6 MT sport from a dealer at full asking price coming off lease CPO for $38K in April 2010 with 27,000 miles so recent suggestions of $45-50K for 2010 model year seem high. I have doubled the mileage and it has run very well though some VANOS problems and self-leveling supsension had to be fixed under CPO. It is a great ride and the 6 MT is well worth it. It is sad that there are so few wagons and even fewer manuals! The comfort seats that come with sport are well worth it too!

YGBSM
07-23-2012, 07:18 AM
So there are 3 manual wagons out of 7352 5 series from 2004-2010 - 0.04% are wagon + manual.


Could you tell me where you got these numbers? Only numbers I have seen released are 2006 and 2010 wagon numbers, with no breakdown for auto/manual.

2010 M Sport wagon special ordered and delivered December 2009. My wife's daily driver . . . had the HPFP problem at 3200 miles, but no problems since then (22,000 miles now). We do not have the comfort access or premium package (power tailgate basically) which seem to cause people some trouble.

Great driving car, but watch out for those clogged drains! Every year I have the dealer blow out the sunroof drains to make sure they are clean, and also to document the maintenance if something ever goes wrong.

toga94m
07-23-2012, 10:28 AM
Could you tell me where you got these numbers? Only numbers I have seen released are 2006 and 2010 wagon numbers, with no breakdown for auto/manual.


Gotta quote my whole paragraph -

Today, there are two on cars.com - both in Ohio, both 2006 530xiT. There's a third - a 2009 535xiT in California. So there are 3 manual wagons out of 7352 5 series from 2004-2010 - 0.04% are wagon + manual.

My percentage is based on what was for sale that day on cars.com - not intended to be production numbers, or worldwide, or even accurate beyond the source stated. The 7352 number was the # of listings on cars.com for 5 series in that year range, after removing the transmission and wagon filters.

I'd guess a higher percentage was made as manual+wagon, but we're not selling them. :D

Phoenix1
07-27-2012, 02:18 PM
The wagons sold less than 2000 per year (less than 1000 in 2010) and I would guess less than 5% might have been manuals under special order. So there's probably less than 200-300 in the entire US....