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tashrocca
08-02-2012, 11:22 PM
I have a 2007 530xi with 82,000 miles and have been having a transmission problem with it. I have taken my car to two separate BMW techs who I have been referred to by people who state they are the best in town. Both techs told me that my problem is internal and is not an electrical/computer problem and that a rebuild or replacement of the transmission will not be worth it for me right now. They said that the transmission should last 2 to 3 years with out it giving out on me but i would like to have a permanent fix because i really like my car and would like to keep it for a while. And driving around with the car the way it is, is very uncomfortable. :cry:

My transmission symptoms are as follows

1. when I'm coming to a fairly quick stop it feels as if the transmission stops before the car dose so it feels like a bang sometimes harder than others.

2. some times when I come to an incomplete stop like almost stopping at a stop sign and taking off again it feels like the transmission stopped and when i accelerate to take off i feel a very hard bang and the car takes off very abruptly.

3. this has been happening a bit more recently than the bangs, when I'm driving at cruising speeds at about 20 to 30 mph and want to quickly increase speed to lets say 60 mph like getting onto a highway or over taking somebody i feel a pulsating feeling coming from the transmission. almost as if my rpm are dipping slightly but they are not they stay very steady and it really doesnt feel like its the engine it feels smooth and strong.

4. and not as often but sometimes at highway cruising speeds i feel that the transmission doesnt shift at the proper times like it shifts up and then shifts back down again giving it a pretty unsmooth feeling.


I would like to know if anybody here has had similar issues and if so what was done to resolve this and whats the cost is like.

txag_530i
08-03-2012, 08:46 AM
You can try resetting the transmission adaptation. There's a thread around here that will tell you how to do it.

You can also try a drain and refill of the transmission fluid, and change the filter, although you should ask the technician if this would make things worse.

Clevelandcoupe
08-03-2012, 06:46 PM
We had exactly the same issues that you are explaining with our 2007 525XI.
After multiple time returning to the dealer,re programming the computer,etc, they replaced the trans. Thank the car gods that it was still under warrantee !!!
Good Luck !!!

tashrocca
08-03-2012, 07:58 PM
lucky that u were under warrantee
but i am not so i would love to find other solutions because im sure i will be looking at a $4000 tab to replace my transmission

tashrocca
08-03-2012, 08:02 PM
as far as the reset procedure i have tried two that i have seen posted on here and neither has worked for me i guess my next attempt is going to be to go back to the mechanic and see what he says about a drain and fill. And i dont really want to go to a bmw dealer because from what i hear they like to try many things to attempt fixing the car and then at the end im down hundreds if not thousands and they havent actually fixed anything at all

2chill
08-03-2012, 09:22 PM
You need to find a good indy who specializes in BMW's. There are quite a few in the Long Island City Area.
Put in your zip code in the attached website and have them evaluate your car. I go to a great one in Huntington that charges about 1/3 of what BMW would charge to do anything, but I doubt you will want to travel that far.

http://websearch.cs.com/cs/boomframe.jsp?query=Automobile+repair+on+Long+Isla nd+-+BMW+specialists&page=1&offset=0&result_url=redir%3Fsrc%3Dwebsearch%26requestId%3D8 53b62a474b1c1f1%26clickedItemRank%3D2%26userQuery% 3DAutomobile%2Brepair%2Bon%2BLong%2BIsland%2B-%2BBMW%2Bspecialists%26clickedItemURN%3Dhttp%253A% 252F%252Fwww.bimmershops.com%252Fbmwshops%252Fnew-york%252F%26invocationType%3D-%26fromPage%3Dmainmenu81%26amp%3BampTest%3D1&remove_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bimmershops.com%2Fbmws hops%2Fnew-york%2F

davethewheel
08-04-2012, 12:40 AM
I think my 06 530i has a similar problem...feels like someone bumped my car from behind when i slow to a stop, i figure i'll have to replace the tranny one day but it has been doing this for over a yr
And hasn't gotten any worse.
Seems to be more when trans oil is heated up, it actually doesn't "bump" when i drive in "SD" mode, anyways to change tranny oil and filter it is way costly -the filter is part of the bottom pan and alone costs2-3 hundred.

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MikeTz
08-04-2012, 05:17 AM
You are likely suffering from a deteriorating Mechatronics (valve) assembly in the transmission system. This assembly, made by ZF, controls their transmissions and is known to have problems with deteriorating valve sleeves that leak fluid. This is exacerbated by a plastic transmission pan that develops micro cracks and leaks. The transmission software tries to account for this deterioration but eventually cannot. The best fix, albeit expensive, is to replace the Mechatronics assembly. You may be able to get by with replacing the Mechatronics' O ring to stop fluid leakage. If you go this route make sure a qualified BMW mechanic familiar with the ZF transmission does the work so the correct fluid in the proper amount is replaced. See SIB 24 08 06 for more information (and to prove to your dealer that this is a known problem).

Common symptoms of Mechatronics failure are:

Hard bump when braking (can be intermittent)
Hard shifts in Sport Mode
Slow to engage in Reverse
Hunting for the right gear when coasting

Dealers are loathe to admit this is a problem and will tell you that since your car didn't produce any transmission failure codes they cannot do anything under warranty. BMW does not want to formally recognize the problem because it's expensive to fix so they do not usually approve dealer's requests to replace the Mechatronics under warranty unless the there are fault codes. Unfortunately you don't get fault codes until the transmission is close to catastrophic failure. Someday there will a class action suit over this issue. :mad:

tashrocca
08-04-2012, 11:54 AM
Does anybody know what would be the average cost of replacing the Mechatronics because I am out of warrantee so any repairs I do are coming out of my pocket :cry:

crowz
08-04-2012, 12:24 PM
Basically its sticking valves in the valvebody. Ive covered this is in a few hundred posts here. Search crowz in the user field and transmission in the regular search part and you should find info on whats happening.

As for cost to repair? About $40. Its also easy to fix yourself if you are handy with a wrench. Total cost with fluid and filter change will push your actual cost up some but the parts are around $40.

Ive fixed a ton of them for people.

Changing your fluid every 50,000 miles to 75,000 prevents most of this but there is a weak piston/sleeve deal that binds up causing the actual problem with this kits solve.

You can buy the parts here :
http://www.sonnax.com

tashrocca
08-18-2012, 12:24 AM
crowz, what part exactly am i looking for on this site here that you posted?

tommyv
08-18-2012, 03:43 AM
40$?? I thought you missed a few zeros when I first read your post lol. If you can solve the mechatronics problem with a $40 part you might just be the hero of the E60 forum. I'd be curious to understand this more as well...

Fasted
08-23-2012, 11:50 AM
I have a complete transmission just pulled from a 2008 535xi and has 30,200 miles on it I could sell complete for $1,500.

WilliCO
08-23-2012, 01:00 PM
You are likely suffering from a deteriorating Mechatronics (valve) assembly in the transmission system. This assembly, made by ZF, controls their transmissions and is known to have problems with deteriorating valve sleeves that leak fluid. This is exacerbated by a plastic transmission pan that develops micro cracks and leaks. The transmission software tries to account for this deterioration but eventually cannot. The best fix, albeit expensive, is to replace the Mechatronics assembly. You may be able to get by with replacing the Mechatronics' O ring to stop fluid leakage. If you go this route make sure a qualified BMW mechanic familiar with the ZF transmission does the work so the correct fluid in the proper amount is replaced. See SIB 24 08 06 for more information (and to prove to your dealer that this is a known problem).

Common symptoms of Mechatronics failure are:

Hard bump when braking (can be intermittent)
Hard shifts in Sport Mode
Slow to engage in Reverse
Hunting for the right gear when coasting

Dealers are loathe to admit this is a problem and will tell you that since your car didn't produce any transmission failure codes they cannot do anything under warranty. BMW does not want to formally recognize the problem because it's expensive to fix so they do not usually approve dealer's requests to replace the Mechatronics under warranty unless the there are fault codes. Unfortunately you don't get fault codes until the transmission is close to catastrophic failure. Someday there will a class action suit over this issue. :mad:+1.

FWIW, BMW did cover mine under the CPO warranty, at 60,000 miles or so. My transmission exhibits none of the symptoms 15,000 miles later except for the first one - the hard bump when braking. I think that might actually be a poor transmission programming around dropping into first gear at the wrong time, and therefore a slightly different problem.

racooper3
08-23-2012, 06:05 PM
Check the sticky thread at the top of this forum. On page 16/17 they talk about the cost to replace the mechatronic. As long as the symptoms are as this member opened the thread with, you are proably looking at $2500 for an independent mechanic to install a replacement and new fluids, pan/filter, and mechatronic sleeve. Just read that sticky thread and get ready to whip our the credit card. Dealer repair looks like a HELOC repair bill. :)

Oceans10
08-23-2012, 09:35 PM
I am replacing the mechatronic valve sleeve, pan with filter and new transmission fluid for roughly $300 in parts and $200 labor with an independent. This is on my 2008 wagon which has 78k miles on it, -purely preventive maintenance.
Had to replace the valve sleeve on my sedan at 74k miles and didn't change the pan, though in retrospect I should have.
This is one of those midlife jobs everyone should do to avoid unscheduled break downs. Otherwise the ZF tranny is pretty bullet proof.

boost7
08-23-2012, 10:42 PM
OP - you should read this thread. http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=401524

On my 545 I'm having almost the same issues - but mine has the 30-40mile hiccup, and jitters when it comes to a slow stop. It's really not that bad yet, and I can live with it for now. So the real fix is to address the mechatronic. Read the last post of the thread above with a link there to 5series.net, where another member does a quick write up on how to replace the mechatronic.

kskane
08-24-2012, 01:25 AM
Find yourself an expert transmission person, first replace the transmission oil change (flush), if that does not fixes, then the whole transmission needs to be re-done, and external person will be lot cheaper than the STEALERS.

I have had transmission issue with nearly all my cars and current one is yet having another one :| '04 E60 525i but my symptoms are different.

cadiz
10-11-2013, 04:55 PM
My Transmission gives a gentle kick when auto-downshifting from 2 to 1. Took it to the dealers and with $300 in diagnostics.. nothing. Then created a puma with engineers and they recommended a software update.. no luck. Now the recommendation is to replace the transmission :thumbdwn:.. Sad that such a mature part like the transmission is the customers problem to Test !!! If i were BMW, i would take the faulty transmission and be pro-active in diagnosing the issue.... Well unless they already know and refuse to acknowledge.
NO more bimmer for me, perhaps

schpenxel
10-11-2013, 05:20 PM
Any error codes? Most of the issues with these transmissions are in the valve bodies. You can buy a factory rebuilt one for something like $1500, maybe a little more

Solenoids also have fixed some issues for a few people as well (see transmission thread in my signature / the giant thread at the top of the forum)

How many miles on yours?

LaelDivine
04-03-2014, 05:48 PM
Change your transmission fluid it will fix it

schpenxel
04-04-2014, 05:43 AM
Change your transmission fluid it will fix it

I wouldn't go THAT far now..

It very well may, but no guarantees

Aschuh
04-04-2014, 06:12 AM
I feel your pain, I went through these exact same issues myself. First I started with the 2-1 hard bang, then i started to get the trans. malf. on the 4-5 shift. I took mine to an independent, dropped the pan and it was pretty ugly, for me it was worth a total rebuild. I did all soft parts including a converter, brand new mech. unit from BMW, (first two came from a quality rebuilder we not so quality!) whole thing cost me 4k, I know that's a ton of money on for a car only worth 10k tops, but I enjoy the car and plan on keeping her a while. The rebuild did come with a 2yr warranty.


Someone is going to have to get inside the thing, if when the pan comes off it's nasty, be done with it and do it right. Just my .02!

bbekele
08-31-2014, 02:30 PM
FYI, i had the transmission malfunction error issue last summer on a 2004 530i and it got to the point where it was doing it consistently. I had taken it to the dealership and was told that there was no error.... I then took it to an independent mechanic that said he sees an error and replaced the gear selection switch. I drove out from the shop and the malfunction error came back. I then read somewhere that if i disconnected the battery and left it off for a while 1-2 hrs it may fix the issue. I did that and the error has not come back in 10 months.

2chill
08-31-2014, 03:22 PM
Did you go back to the independent mechanic and demand your money back for fixing nothing at all on your car?

Gangplank
08-31-2014, 07:51 PM
Does anybody know what would be the average cost of replacing the Mechatronics because I am out of warrantee so any repairs I do are coming out of my pocket :cry:


My local Indy quoted me $1500-2000 if I recall. That was the solenoids.

schpenxel
09-07-2014, 10:24 AM
My local Indy quoted me $1500-2000 if I recall. That was the solenoids.

Solenoids only are about $500-600 for the solenoids for a full set (varies depending on exact model), then you have to buy fluid (I guess you could re-use your old if you really wanted to..). I'd be happy to do it for $1200 but $1500 doesn't sound too crazy

The entire mechatronics unit itself, rebuilt by ZF, is $1580 if I remember correctly. Labor for replacing the mechatronics or replacing solenoids is very close to the same (have to remove mechatronics either way)

silverbimmer3
09-13-2014, 06:18 PM
did you go to little garage or the other one that specializes in the e46 subframe reenforce?

You need to find a good indy who specializes in BMW's. There are quite a few in the Long Island City Area.
Put in your zip code in the attached website and have them evaluate your car. I go to a great one in Huntington that charges about 1/3 of what BMW would charge to do anything, but I doubt you will want to travel that far.

http://websearch.cs.com/cs/boomframe.jsp?query=Automobile+repair+on+Long+Isla nd+-+BMW+specialists&page=1&offset=0&result_url=redir%3Fsrc%3Dwebsearch%26requestId%3D8 53b62a474b1c1f1%26clickedItemRank%3D2%26userQuery% 3DAutomobile%2Brepair%2Bon%2BLong%2BIsland%2B-%2BBMW%2Bspecialists%26clickedItemURN%3Dhttp%253A% 252F%252Fwww.bimmershops.com%252Fbmwshops%252Fnew-york%252F%26invocationType%3D-%26fromPage%3Dmainmenu81%26amp%3BampTest%3D1&remove_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bimmershops.com%2Fbmws hops%2Fnew-york%2F

silverbimmer3
09-13-2014, 06:23 PM
I am like wtf?!

You are likely suffering from a deteriorating Mechatronics (valve) assembly in the transmission system. This assembly, made by ZF, controls their transmissions and is known to have problems with deteriorating valve sleeves that leak fluid. This is exacerbated by a plastic transmission pan that develops micro cracks and leaks. The transmission software tries to account for this deterioration but eventually cannot. The best fix, albeit expensive, is to replace the Mechatronics assembly. You may be able to get by with replacing the Mechatronics' O ring to stop fluid leakage. If you go this route make sure a qualified BMW mechanic familiar with the ZF transmission does the work so the correct fluid in the proper amount is replaced. See SIB 24 08 06 for more information (and to prove to your dealer that this is a known problem).

Common symptoms of Mechatronics failure are:

Hard bump when braking (can be intermittent)
Hard shifts in Sport Mode
Slow to engage in Reverse
Hunting for the right gear when coasting

Dealers are loathe to admit this is a problem and will tell you that since your car didn't produce any transmission failure codes they cannot do anything under warranty. BMW does not want to formally recognize the problem because it's expensive to fix so they do not usually approve dealer's requests to replace the Mechatronics under warranty unless the there are fault codes. Unfortunately you don't get fault codes until the transmission is close to catastrophic failure. Someday there will a class action suit over this issue. :mad:

2chill
09-13-2014, 06:58 PM
I only take my car to "The Little Garage". I've been going there for years. They do my brakes and general maintenance work. But they really know BMW's and I wouldn't trust anybody else with my car outside of BMW themselves. I only take my car to BMW for oil changes. For some reason, BMW is cheaper with that.
If you go to "Little Garage", see Matt and tell him 2chill sent you....

Geramy1232
09-15-2014, 06:10 AM
I think my 06 530i has a similar problem...feels like someone bumped my car from behind when i slow to a stop, i figure i'll have to replace the tranny one day but it has been doing this for over a yr
And hasn't gotten any worse.
Seems to be more when trans oil is heated up, it actually doesn't "bump" when i drive in "SD" mode, anyways to change tranny oil and filter it is way costly -the filter is part of the bottom pan and alone costs2-3 hundred.

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Did you ever fix this problem? If so what ended up happening?

silverbimmer3
09-20-2014, 11:36 AM
save you some research time:

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=401524

to summarize, replacing the mechatronics solenoids seems to be the fix; if not rebuilding the whole tranny.



Did you ever fix this problem? If so what ended up happening?

silverbimmer3
06-02-2016, 02:53 PM
i wonder what are replaced, is it the whole transmission with the valve body / mechatronics?

thanks!


We had exactly the same issues that you are explaining with our 2007 525XI.
After multiple time returning to the dealer,re programming the computer,etc, they replaced the trans. Thank the car gods that it was still under warrantee !!!
Good Luck !!!

silverbimmer3
06-11-2016, 01:48 PM
fyi

2016 dealer price for replacing mechatronics is about $5000


Check the sticky thread at the top of this forum. On page 16/17 they talk about the cost to replace the mechatronic. As long as the symptoms are as this member opened the thread with, you are proably looking at $2500 for an independent mechanic to install a replacement and new fluids, pan/filter, and mechatronic sleeve. Just read that sticky thread and get ready to whip our the credit card. Dealer repair looks like a HELOC repair bill. :)

Oceans10
06-11-2016, 02:13 PM
I paid $15 for the mechatronic valve sleeve (leaking and cracked, common after 75k miles). Labor was a couple of hours. Bought a new transmission pan for $115 on ECS Tuning and the fluid. So all told was around $400 and included new pan and fluid.

nbbmw
02-22-2017, 04:40 PM
Any error codes? Most of the issues with these transmissions are in the valve bodies. You can buy a factory rebuilt one for something like $1500, maybe a little more

Solenoids also have fixed some issues for a few people as well (see transmission thread in my signature / the giant thread at the top of the forum)

How many miles on yours?

HI Schpenxel and everyone else.
so the valvebody would be about 1500?

I have a 2007 530xi CPO at about 45k miles when i bought it. On the 3rd day of ownership i had an automatic tranny fault. The Dealership changed the mechatronics sleeve, reused the tranny fluid and just topped it off by 1 or 2 liters.

its at 166k now but seems to be running harder uphill and a bit louder. its not as smooth or powerful as it used to be and i dont have any of the symptoms described on this thread.

btw, i'm in central New Jersey and I use Mobile 1 european 0W-40 every 5k miles. plugs and coils about every 40k and never changed the Tranny fluid.

so after researching changing the Tranny fluid and not a flush, i had a mechanic drain about 1/4 cup of fluid to examine it.
it was dirty, brown and smelled burnt. So i think if do change it, i just may get gear slippage. whats the percentage of that happening? obviously thats my worry.

So the questions are :
1. whats the possibility of gear slippage at 166k if i change it? should i change the pan, get magnetic bolt and just fill the lost fluid which would be about 6 liters where it will mix in with the old fluid?
2. would changing the Tranny fluid help with the hard running, loud engine?
3. would changing the valve body help with the hard running, loud engine?
4. How would i expect the car to perform like if i changed the tranny fluid? or if i changed the valve body?
5. where can i get a decent rebuilt automatic transmission?

Thanks for any help guys.

fred530xi
02-25-2017, 06:13 AM
nbbmw,

I replaced the transmission on my 07 530Xi last January. Very costly to say the least. I think I had about 165K on it at the time; and have nearly 190K and counting.

Did some research (found tons of details here), and went with the BMW sourced transmission for convenience and warranty (2 years unlimited mileage). I did consider having a ZF shop rebuild my unit (the BMW unit is a ZF remanufactured unit ); but the shipping expenses and time involved were just not worth it.

This is the shop I considered: http://www.dosebmw.com/ in San Diego. The mechanics are VERY knowledgeable regarding these transmissions; they are a ZF authorized shop. They took time to talk to me and my local indy (who did the work). They told me that after 100K, it's a waste of $$$ to replace the fluid. Essentially, drive it until it breaks or you can't take the driveability issues.

There is also a ZF authorized shop in Connecticut, but after speaking to them I was less than impressed with their customer service. Must be a north easterner versus laid back Cali attitude.

I personally believe that I could have replaced the mechatronics to address the issues that I was experiencing. However, I did not want to be back in for a rebuild for friction plates etc after spending ~$2K.

It really boils down to weighing your options taking into account how much doug you want to spend and how long you plan to keep and drive the car. I rationalized my decision to spend nearly $8K (ugh), by committing to keep the car for at least 3 more years. I put together some rough numbers in a recent post, and my cost per mile is still under 30 cents.

Good luck,
Fred

banglenot
02-25-2017, 07:09 AM
SNIP

so after researching changing the Tranny fluid and not a flush, i had a mechanic drain about 1/4 cup of fluid to examine it.
it was dirty, brown and smelled burnt. So i think if do change it, i just may get gear slippage. whats the percentage of that happening? obviously thats my worry.

So the questions are :
1. whats the possibility of gear slippage at 166k if i change it? should i change the pan, get magnetic bolt and just fill the lost fluid which would be about 6 liters where it will mix in with the old fluid?166 is a good lifespan for a car that kept the original tranny fluid. Burnt, smelly fluid is a sign of very severe wear in the turbine section.
2. would changing the Tranny fluid help with the hard running, loud engine?Unlikely. If the engine runs rough in park or neutral, its the engine. If "loud" means it runs at higher rpm's when under tranny load, you may have severe clutch slippage in the tranny section.
3. would changing the valve body help with the hard running, loud engine?Unlikely. see above.
4. How would i expect the car to perform like if i changed the tranny fluid? or if i changed the valve body?Assuming the turbo section is good (less likely with 166 and original exhausted fluid), changing the mecha might help -- but change the fluid first, since it's relatively cheap shot at a very old tranny. My guess is the tranny is at EoL and the fluid will not make much difference. If you'd put in new fluid at the original gasket change, you might be in slightly better shape
5. where can i get a decent rebuilt automatic transmission? At this mileage, a junkyard is your best choice.

Thanks for any help guys.

Sure

elekimainne1
02-25-2017, 12:12 PM
I hv exactly same behaviour frm my x3 2006 sports package during slowing down or deceleration fr over 1yr,engine cranks up nice and just before it stabilise at idle speed,transmission fault light accompanied by a slight clicking sound under the car and SES light comes ON and stays ON fr the duration of the drive,trouble shooting reveals that,for all x3 3.0i sports fitted with secondary air pump,the ECM requires signal from the secondary air pump and to the transmission but,I live in Africa, secondary air pump is NOT functioning due to Relay failure,so am stock with it and still looking fr solutions..I will appreciate any suggestion frm previous knowledge and experience in this community to effect a solution....thanks.

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matise30
03-05-2017, 03:12 AM
Solenoids...change them all! Thats how i fixed my issues

elekimainne1
03-06-2017, 06:34 AM
Solenoids...change them all! Thats how i fixed my issues
Hi Matise30;...thanks a million,I suppose you are referring to the high load items relays its (K6304)on the Bentley m manual,right behind the fuses in the gloves compartment.,I will do that..thanks.

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matise30
03-06-2017, 07:16 AM
Hi Matise30;...thanks a million,I suppose you are referring to the high load items relays its (K6304)on the Bentley m manual,right behind the fuses in the gloves compartment.,I will do that..thanks.

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Noooo dont touch the fuses. The solenoids control your transmission. You have to drop your transmission pan and under you'll see the mechatronics unit with the solenoids. If you really want it fixed, change those https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170306/02ca5fe5b44afaf4a7135469b119a24d.jpg


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elekimainne1
03-06-2017, 07:18 AM
Noooo dont touch the fuses. The solenoids control your transmission. You have to drop your transmission pan and under you'll see the mechatronics unit with the solenoids. If you really want it fixed, change those https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170306/02ca5fe5b44afaf4a7135469b119a24d.jpg


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Oh nice,thank you very much.

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snort
03-08-2017, 07:55 PM
Have been having these issues with my X5 - esg transmission code E5. Slippage occuring between 4th and 5th gear. Bit the bullet and took the car to transmission specialist shop. Completed rebuild - all solenoids replaced, oil, bushigs, etc, only to get the same error and 'transmission malfunction' error now accompanied by engine light 30km away from the shop. While driving it back switched to manual, its definitely the 5th and the 6th gears that are messed up. On top of that I got random hunting while cruising between third and forth and very jerky shifting.

Will see what the shop comes back with

tivinps
03-09-2017, 07:07 AM
Have been having these issues with my X5 - esg transmission code E5. Slippage occuring between 4th and 5th gear. Bit the bullet and took the car to transmission specialist shop. Completed rebuild - all solenoids replaced, oil, bushigs, etc, only to get the same error and 'transmission malfunction' error now accompanied by engine light 30km away from the shop. While driving it back switched to manual, its definitely the 5th and the 6th gears that are messed up. On top of that I got random hunting while cruising between third and forth and very jerky shifting.

Will see what the shop comes back with

Did the tranny specialist really performed completely rebuild on the tranny or just the Mechatronic unit?
Sounds like he only work with you mechatronic (valve Body) replacing solenoids.
I'm not an expert on trannys but I had the 1st - 2nd gear slipping problem (Error codes 4F83 Ratio monitoring, clutch C, 4F81 Ratio monitoring, clutch A, 4F92 Ratio monitoring, clutch A - C) due to lost of pressure in the tranny not the mechatronic. What my tranny expert said was that since I had already replace oil pan and sleeves and solenoids I need to overhaul the tranny. The seals of the tranny gets roasted due to the operating temperatures over time and the wear of the clutch also damage the clutch A and C drums. So I purchase new set of ZF Clutch kit, ZF Steal kit, ZF Overhaul Kit, replace the two drums, new ZF oil and new ZF oil pan I even got re-manufacture torque converter. That was on December last year and I had no tranny issues since.
When you experience tranny slipping consider tranny overhaul, when it's only jerky shifting then it should be mechatronic (valve body) consider solenoids, sleeves and sonnax kits.
In your case since your already replace solenoids and continue experiencing jurky shifting and slipping I would consider tranny overhaul and mechatronic rebuild with sonnax kits or replace the mechatronic unit. Before starting purchase anything I would evaluate the error codes.

matise30
03-13-2017, 08:07 AM
Hmm that sounds weird...I wonder if there were metal pieces in the pan when the trans oil was changed or if they changed all the pieces including the 4 round sealing sleeves.


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bowhunternkbay
03-13-2017, 06:35 PM
Here is a link I found that may give some insight to the tranny issues that have been encountered (or will be). Although the ZF transmissions seem to be "bullet proof", it's still a man-made thing. Here is the link https://sayyarti.wordpress.com/. Hope this can help..

jim165
03-14-2017, 11:02 AM
Have been having these issues with my X5 - esg transmission code E5. Slippage occuring between 4th and 5th gear. Bit the bullet and took the car to transmission specialist shop. Completed rebuild - all solenoids replaced, oil, bushigs, etc, only to get the same error and 'transmission malfunction' error now accompanied by engine light 30km away from the shop. While driving it back switched to manual, its definitely the 5th and the 6th gears that are messed up. On top of that I got random hunting while cruising between third and forth and very jerky shifting.

Will see what the shop comes back with


You have burnt 5th and 6th gear clutches. Common for the 4th,5th, and 6th gear clutches to burn out in these trannys according to a ZF specialist I spoke to just this past weekend. I have the same problem but not quite bad enough to trigger a code yet. He actually had a 6HP26 on his rebuild table with burnt clutches that he showed me. You'll probably have to have them replaced.

Edit: ^^tivinps explains it as well

brent mcinnes
06-11-2017, 01:44 AM
Find yourself an expert transmission person, first replace the transmission oil change (flush), if that does not fixes, then the whole transmission needs to be re-done, and external person will be lot cheaper than the STEALERS.

I have had transmission issue with nearly all my cars and current one is yet having another one :| '04 E60 525i but my symptoms are different.

Hi I have the same model with 1st to 2nd gear changes when its cold, how did you repair yours
brent

kskane
06-11-2017, 02:52 AM
Hi I have the same model with 1st to 2nd gear changes when its cold, how did you repair yours
brent
Not sure where do you get I had 1st to 2nd gear problem. What I originally had was 5th to 4th slip comind down hill etc etc (can't remember the details its all here on the forums) and my fix was solenoid replacement. After that I had the red light thump or jerky downshift from 2nd to 1st which is actaully turbine sensor issue and still exists. I have stoped clearing my adaptation and the jerk is almost in significant or you can I say I ignore it :).

Not sure if anything helped, but good luck.

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F10-N52
06-12-2017, 12:38 PM
you need to change your transmission fluid and pan filter.

brent mcinnes
06-12-2017, 05:27 PM
its going into the workshop today for new oil and pan filter ,, thanks for your reply,,, brent