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SARAFIL
07-10-2004, 04:39 PM
:eeps:

Looks like starting Monday, I'll be getting to know the X3 quite well. ;)

Mr. The Edge
07-10-2004, 04:47 PM
:eek:

SARAFIL
07-10-2004, 04:52 PM
:eek:


:rofl:

Ok, I'll let the cat out of the bag.

My dad is getting a new X3 next week... the deal was too good to pass up. :yikes:

Specs:
Bluewater/Black Leather
Auto
Sport
Cold Weather
Moonroof
Privacy Glass

Let's just say he got an amazing deal. ;)

Mr. The Edge
07-10-2004, 04:53 PM
congrats to Dr Bimmer :D

( i think) :p

Dr. Phil
07-10-2004, 05:26 PM
:rofl:

Ok, I'll let the cat out of the bag.

My dad is getting a new X3 next week... the deal was too good to pass up. :yikes:

Specs:
Bluewater/Black Leather
Auto
Sport
Cold Weather
Moonroof
Privacy Glass

Let's just say he got an amazing deal. ;)
Must know the sales person quite well :p

Mathew
07-10-2004, 05:28 PM
:eeps:

Looks like starting Monday, I'll be getting to know the X3 quite well. ;)
I'm sorry. :angel:

Did you guys have an X5 at one point, or is that my imagination?

SARAFIL
07-10-2004, 05:52 PM
I'm sorry. :angel:

My biggest issue with the X3 is the price. I think that at the MSRP of $44,145 this car is overpriced for what it gives you. However, at the "negociated" selling price, it's a bargain.

Did you guys have an X5 at one point, or is that my imagination?

We're on our 3rd E46, but we've never had an X5.

SARAFIL
07-10-2004, 05:52 PM
Must know the sales person quite well :p


:bigpimp:

To his benefit, this is his 4th BMW from the dealership in ~5 years, so I'm sure he could have gotten a deal almost as sweet on his own.

Emission
07-10-2004, 06:10 PM
As an X5 owner, I just don't get the X3. If it was priced $30K-$40K (loaded), then I would get it... but my nicely equipped X5 was only about $47K... and I think the X5 is much more value.

Oh, we're looking forward to another X3 expert around here. Welcome to these parts of the Fest! :thumbup:

SARAFIL
07-10-2004, 06:17 PM
As an X5 owner, I just don't get the X3. If it was priced $30K-$40K (loaded), then I would get it... but my nicely equipped X5 was only about $47K... and I think the X5 is much more value.

Oh, we're looking forward to another X3 expert around here. Welcome to these parts of the Fest! :thumbup:

If you hadn't noticed, BMW has delayed the annoucement on MY05 changes to the X3. I'm a firm believer that they'll greatly increase the value of the entry-level 2.5 and 3.0 by adding more standard features at a minimal (if any) price increase.

A fully loaded X5 3.0 with all the silly options pushes $55,000. I think that the X3 would be better priced if a fully loaded X3 3.0 was $46,000 and not $50,000. That would mean that a normally equipped car (Auto, Prem, Cold Wthr, Metallic Paint) could be had for ~$40-41,000.

We also got sticker shock when some normally-equipped X3 2.5's showed up with window stickers near $40,000. We knew the prices, but didn't think they'd get that expensive with only things like Leather, Auto, Premium, and Cold Weather Packages.

Mr. The Edge
07-10-2004, 06:33 PM
my 2003 325iT at $27,000 is sounding better all the time :D:D:D:D

SARAFIL
07-10-2004, 06:36 PM
my 2003 325iT at $27,000 is sounding better all the time :D:D:D:D

Yeah, but you have to drive a wagon! ;)

Let's just say that I beat BMW's "Lease Special" on a base 2.5 with a well-equipped 3.0. I think I did ok... ;)

Clarke
07-11-2004, 02:28 AM
As an X5 owner, I just don't get the X3. If it was priced $30K-$40K (loaded), then I would get it... but my nicely equipped X5 was only about $47K... and I think the X5 is much more value.

Oh, we're looking forward to another X3 expert around here. Welcome to these parts of the Fest! :thumbup:::stupid: (also hope next gen X5 doesn't grow too much) Congrats to you both,I hope you get good scores from him on delivery.;)

beware_phog
07-11-2004, 11:19 AM
As an X5 owner, I just don't get the X3. If it was priced $30K-$40K (loaded), then I would get it... but my nicely equipped X5 was only about $47K... and I think the X5 is much more value.

Oh, we're looking forward to another X3 expert around here. Welcome to these parts of the Fest! :thumbup:

I use the same logic and don't see why an X5 is worth the extra dollars (3.0). Bigger on the outside and smaller with less capacity on the inside. Heavier by 1000 lbs (slower). Doesn't have the super-cool moon roof. And of course interior is personal preference where some people see a grand canyon between the interiors of the X3 and X5 while I see a little stream.

For me, the X5 should be bigger and not even offer the smallest engine. Now if I were towing something, then I'd graviate to the X5 with the more horses.

No offense, but the X5 to me represents a lack of value. I need it to be bigger!

I own an X3 and picked it up in Munich. This increases the price difference more (although incentives have appeared which narrows that gap a little bit).

Emission
07-11-2004, 11:42 AM
"I use the same logic and don't see why an X5 is worth the extra dollars (3.0)..."


Well... not really all what you said... but I'm not in the mood to argue.

Try comparing the E39 530i and E46 330i (both on the market at the same time). Was the E39 worth nearly $20,000 more? It's chassis, materials, and driving dynamics... not size and engine.

LeucX3
07-11-2004, 11:44 AM
Sarafil, prepare your father for first year production squeeks and creaks. (Or is it just me?)

Regarding pricing of X3/X5, it should be clear to almost everyone that almost no one is paying MSRP for an X3. And to some of us, the $7000 or so difference between the two is pretty big. While the dollar amount of pmts over 5 or 6 years may not seem like a lot, it adds up eventually. Yeah i know some would say that if i'm paying ~$40k for a car I shoudlnt' worry about price, but what kinda crazy logic is that?

The X3 just fits better for me. :D

Kaz
07-11-2004, 12:04 PM
If you hadn't noticed, BMW has delayed the annoucement on MY05 changes to the X3. I'm a firm believer that they'll greatly increase the value of the entry-level 2.5 and 3.0 by adding more standard features at a minimal (if any) price increase.

A fully loaded X5 3.0 with all the silly options pushes $55,000. I think that the X3 would be better priced if a fully loaded X3 3.0 was $46,000 and not $50,000. That would mean that a normally equipped car (Auto, Prem, Cold Wthr, Metallic Paint) could be had for ~$40-41,000.

We also got sticker shock when some normally-equipped X3 2.5's showed up with window stickers near $40,000. We knew the prices, but didn't think they'd get that expensive with only things like Leather, Auto, Premium, and Cold Weather Packages.

But a fully loaded X3 IS more like $46k if you leave out NAV. I was surprised when I added up a loaded 2.5 and it came out to 40k+, though. The problem with the 2.5 was that it had been decontented so much to squeeze it down to $30k (didn't it start out at $29xxx?) that it's not at even what many of us here would consider 'BMWish' until you've got 3 or 4 grand into it. The far cheaper-looking interior definitely doesn't give the X3 a good apples-to-apples comparison case to the X5, either. Put a E46 interior in it, and it starts to talk.

When I originally heard that the X3 was going to start at $30k, I thought the X5 3.0's days were numbered, but that's definitely not the case today. I agree, BMW needs to do what Jag has done with the XType and throw 3-4k worh of extras as standard and raise the base by less than half that. This had been done on the E46 to an extent, but over time. The X3 needs it NOW and all at once.

SARAFIL
07-11-2004, 12:15 PM
But a fully loaded X3 IS more like $46k if you leave out NAV. I was surprised when I added up a loaded 2.5 and it came out to 40k+, though.

Our car is $44,145. It doesn't have the Premium Package (but has leather and the roof), doesn't have Xenons, doesn't have Nav, doesn't have Premium Sound, and doesn't have a variety of the not-so-important options like PDC, power-fold mirrors, Servotronic steering, etc.

I just built one on BMWUSA.com and checked all the boxes (what I consider to be "loaded"), and it's $49,770. Taking out some of the stuff like PDC, power fold mirrors, the cargo net, etc., it still comes out at $48,000.

I think it would be priced better at ~$45,000 for a "loaded" car sans Navigation, and ~$46,500 for one with it.

Take the time to "load up" a 2.5, and it's $45,000. That's absurd-- how do you add $15,000 in options to a $30,000 car and not think something is wrong with that? The 2.5 should top out at ~$40,000, not closer to $45,000.

Technic
07-11-2004, 12:15 PM
But a fully loaded X3 IS more like $46k if you leave out NAV. I was surprised when I added up a loaded 2.5 and it came out to 40k+, though. The problem with the 2.5 was that it had been decontented so much to squeeze it down to $30k (didn't it start out at $29xxx?) that it's not at even what many of us here would consider 'BMWish' until you've got 3 or 4 grand into it. The far cheaper-looking interior definitely doesn't give the X3 a good apples-to-apples comparison case to the X5, either. Put a E46 interior in it, and it starts to talk.

When I originally heard that the X3 was going to start at $30k, I thought the X5 3.0's days were numbered, but that's definitely not the case today. I agree, BMW needs to do what Jag has done with the XType and throw 3-4k worh of extras as standard and raise the base by less than half that. This had been done on the E46 to an extent, but over time. The X3 needs it NOW and all at once.

:stupid: That was exactly what my sales person told me when I asked about how they were moving the X3's at the dealer... the "incentives" are what is moving X3's not the vehicle itself.

I'm sorry, but the X3 looks and feels cheap if you do not put around $8k on top of it... and still is lacking something that I cannot put my finger on it, IMO. :thumbdwn:

Kaz
07-11-2004, 12:26 PM
I'm sorry, but the X3 looks and feels cheap if you do not put around $8k on top of it... and still is lacking something that I cannot put my finger on it, IMO. :thumbdwn:

I think the Z4/X3 interior is really doing itself in.

I mean, look:

X5:
http://www.km77.com/marcas/bmw/x5_00/1gra/interior.jpg

X3:
http://www.motorsportscenter.com/uploads/interior_dash_x3.jpg

Even if you stuck wood in the thing, the X3 interior just doesn't have the 'richness' that the X5 has. I'll use the Bangle Butt is Fine excuse line here, but you buy one, you're gonna be looking at this interior the whole time...

bmw325
07-11-2004, 09:59 PM
I think the Z4/X3 interior is really doing itself in.

I mean, look:

Even if you stuck wood in the thing, the X3 interior just doesn't have the 'richness' that the X5 has. I'll use the Bangle Butt is Fine excuse line here, but you buy one, you're gonna be looking at this interior the whole time...


Agree. I'd find that interior hard to stomach on a 25k car. Spending 40-50k and getting it is just huge slap in the face. Other than x-drive, why does anyone buy the x3 over the 325xiT? I really don't get it.

Kaz
07-11-2004, 10:01 PM
Agree. I'd find that interior hard to stomach on a 25k car. Spending 40-50k and getting it is just huge slap in the face. Other than x-drive, why does anyone buy the x3 over the 325xiT? I really don't get it.

The x3 does admittedly have far more cargo room. Passenger room isn't that different, though it's differently configured.

Emission
07-11-2004, 10:38 PM
"... Other than x-drive, why does anyone buy the x3 over the 325xiT? I really don't get it."

Same reason I bought an X5 over a 525iT.... on Friday night I drove up a curb to park. I couldn't do that in a station wagon. :p

My wife had many "cars" before we bought the X5. Unlike every previous vehicle she's owned, she's never curbed the wheels or ripped up the front spoiler on a driveway in the X5. There is an advantage to the ride height.

harplayr
07-12-2004, 06:55 AM
I use the same logic and don't see why an X5 is worth the extra dollars (3.0). Bigger on the outside and smaller with less capacity on the inside. Heavier by 1000 lbs (slower). Doesn't have the super-cool moon roof. And of course interior is personal preference where some people see a grand canyon between the interiors of the X3 and X5 while I see a little stream.

For me, the X5 should be bigger and not even offer the smallest engine. Now if I were towing something, then I'd graviate to the X5 with the more horses.

No offense, but the X5 to me represents a lack of value. I need it to be bigger!

I own an X3 and picked it up in Munich. This increases the price difference more (although incentives have appeared which narrows that gap a little bit). :stupid:
The X3 and X5 target different markets and needs. For myself, the X5 had been on the market for quite some time, and I was never remotely interested in it. The X3 with it's fantastic handling did however get me to plop down my hard earned $$$.

I'm not trying to knock the X5, I know there are many happy owners out there, but even if the price was the same for the X3 and X5 I would still choose the X3. It just suits my needs better, and is more fun to drive.

If you check this years sales figures, the X3 is holding it's own vs the X5 quite well, so there seems to be a market for it.

I hope you guys enjoy your X5, and I'll enjoy my X3. Let's play nice, there's room for both of us here. :thumbup:

asnpcwiz
07-12-2004, 07:28 AM
I definitely agree with harplayr, the cars are for 2 different markets. When I was at the dealership picking out the options on my new X5, my wife and I got the chance to drive the X3. We actually drove it to the other lot which housed the X5's. I have to say that I wasn't that impressed. My wife immediately thought the car was horrendous (she's not really the outdoors type). Anyways, after driven both I completely understood why they have the X3, and X5.

The X3 just has a much more rugged feel all around. I know a lot of people complain about the cheap plastic interior, but for outdoors people, it makes sense. You can spill mud, dirt, food, etc all over the dash and simply wipe it off with some water and paper towels. Although I find this useless if you have leather seats in a car anyways, you definitely want to take care of that. I think this car is marketed towards a younger, sportier crowd. Thouh, I'm 24, and I'd prefer the X5 all the way.

The X5 is just much more luxurious. Having the two cars side by side, you can see that hands down, the X5 is much more "BMWish" car. It's more luxurious and it feels a lot smoother all around. I'd say this car is marketed more towards those that need a luxurious bigger car, and not necessarily looking to do anything truely off road with it.

My final comments to some of these posts...

beware_phog, which car "doesn't have the super cool moon-roof"? The X5 has an optional panorama moonroof that comes with the premium package...so I got the "super cool moon-roof" ordered on my car.

And harplayr, after have driven both cars the X3 and X5 right after each other, IMHO, the X5 is a better drive. Although I haven't driven the X3 with Servotronic steering, I think the X5 has a better feel over all. A feel that suits me better.

mrbelk
07-12-2004, 07:31 AM
One thing that's never really mentioned is that comparing an x3 3.0 to an x5 3.0 isn't really an apples-to-apples comparison. The X3 3.0 has the same (or darn close) power and torque to weight ratios of the x5 4.4 (which pushes $65,000).

It's frequently the case that the the price for the "top of the line" of one series can creep into the price-range for an "entry-level" model of the next higher series. One could apply the same price agrument that you all do with the X3/X5 to 3er's and 5er's. You can easily get a 330 spec'ed out to be price-comparable with a 525, but the 330 will be more performant and will be "loaded," whereas the 525 will be more of a "stripper."

As to the comments on the interior: I personally think that the X3 interior befits it's image. The materials aren't cheap; their texture is just a little more "rugged."

The pictures shown as a "comparison" are pretty well biased towards the X5, too. The X3 pictured has gray leather with the metallic trim on a gray background with poor lighting, whereas the X5 has nice, sumptuous beige leather and the nice light-wood trim, with good lighting. Given those two images, it's obvious that the X5 interior would look nicer. Replace the X3 pic with one that has wood trim and a rich leather color (like the Terra Cotta, or Sand Beige), and the differences will become much less pronounced and more representative of what one would expect to see in two cars that are in different "strata" of the BMW food-chain.

Now, I'm sure it sounds like I am some sort of X3 apologist, but I think that it has become fashionable to deride the new BMW designs. People take shots at them without experiencing the vehicles first-hand, or they provide unfair comparisons to support their claims.

And, for the record, I like _all_ of the new BMW designs; ome of them took longer for me to come around to (the Z4 and 7er), but I like them all now. I am obviously squarely in their new target market. I am 32, an IT professional, and am on my 2nd bimmer (my first being a 2001 330i/5sp, and my current being a 545i/6sp), and will probably be getting an X3 for the wife next year. I don't like the BMW look from before the E36, so I really didn't have too much paradigm-shift to adjust to when the new styles appeared.

-MrB

asnpcwiz
07-12-2004, 08:21 AM
People take shots at them without experiencing the vehicles first-hand, or they provide unfair comparisons to support their claims.

-MrB

I don't know if this was a shot at me or did it just happen to be posted right after mine, but for the record, I spent over 1.5 hours closely observing both cars. The opinions I wrote before were just that...my OPINIONS.

I agree that it's comparing apples and oranges. That's why I said that I see the need for both. It is obvious that BMW wants to target different markets.

I agree, that a fully loaded lower end model would often drift into the price range of a barebones higher model. But I'm also a person that agrees with the reasoning that you should just look into the higher end models if that happens.

I'm 24 and an "IT professional" as well, really...who isn't nowadays. And I think the X3 is probably marketed towards people in my demograph. A younger crowd that is willing to spend money on a decent SUV :rofl: . Yet I still do not see it's appeal. If I wanted to buy a new, more rugged SUV, I'd rather spend the money on an Explorer or something, and stop kidding myself on buying a BMW SUV that is an attempt to be rugged :bs: .

For me, the X5 works best because I'm one of those pretentious people who want the look and size of an SUV, but really just want all the perks of a luxury car :thumbup: . For both cars, offroad capabilities are pretty limited and are best suited for getting over a curb. I'm not kidding myself by buying an X3 and thinking it's I'm more rugged, than those with an X5.

I forked out the money, admitted to my pretentiousness and bought the X5 because hey...I want an "BMWish" car, and I still want to look kinda sporty :p .

mrbelk
07-12-2004, 09:02 AM
I don't know if this was a shot at me or did it just happen to be posted right after mine, but for the record, I spent over 1.5 hours closely observing both cars. The opinions I wrote before were just that...my OPINIONS.


It wasn't a shot at you, since when I started posting my message, yours wasn't up yet. But you have to admit that there are loads of people out there who have just hopped up onto the bandwagon because it's in vogue.

I think the X-series of vehicles are way more rugged than any SUV coming out of a US manufacturer, except maybe a Hummer H1; how else would the X3 come in 1st and 2nd in the ALCAN winter rally without being a good offroader? There's no way I would trust my bosses Expedition in that environment; it's way too mushy and heavy.

I guess I am of a different opinion than you w.r.t. model price creep. I would rather get a loaded version of a lesser series than an entry version of the higher series, provided that both series offered similar products. In this case, I don't see an appreciable difference between the utility of an X5 vs. the utility of an X3. The X3 has the same internal storage capacity of the X5, and has the same X-drive drivetrain. In fact, I think that an X3 offers more "BMW-ness" in the drive than an X5 given the lower weight, more agressive stance, lower COG, etc.

Anyway, that's my take. I aplogize for insulting anyone.
-MrB

Scott ZHP
07-12-2004, 02:24 PM
As to the comments on the interior: I personally think that the X3 interior befits it's image. The materials aren't cheap; their texture is just a little more "rugged."

The pictures shown as a "comparison" are pretty well biased towards the X5, too. The X3 pictured has gray leather with the metallic trim on a gray background with poor lighting, whereas the X5 has nice, sumptuous beige leather and the nice light-wood trim, with good lighting. Given those two images, it's obvious that the X5 interior would look nicer. Replace the X3 pic with one that has wood trim and a rich leather color (like the Terra Cotta, or Sand Beige), and the differences will become much less pronounced and more representative of what one would expect to see in two cars that are in different "strata" of the BMW food-chain.


-MrB

Um, okay, I cant do up the X3, but I can de-option the X5. Here's a photo of my wife's stripper X5 (aka the kid hauler). No premium package, no sumptious leather, no nice wood trim. IMO, it's still a much richer/more elagant look than the X3.

http://www.motorsportscenter.com/uploads/interior_dash_x3.jpg

http://home.att.net/~howersl/dash.jpg

Emission
07-12-2004, 02:27 PM
Um, okay, I cant do up the X3, but I can de-option the X5. Here's a photo of my wife's stripper X5 (aka the kid hauler). No premium package, no sumptious leather, no nice wood trim. IMO, it's still a much richer/more elagant look than the X3.


What was her price (MSRP)?

Scott ZHP
07-12-2004, 02:39 PM
What was her price (MSRP)?

Oh hell, I don't remember. Oh wait... I have a spreadsheet somewhere...

looking.
looking..
looking...

Base 38900
Freight 645
Auto 1275
Climate 850
Activity 850
CD 200
HID 500
-------------------------
MSRP Total $43220 (this was Jan of 01, right after launch of the 3.0i)

I think the deal was $41.2k plus T&L.

beware_phog
07-12-2004, 02:55 PM
The x3 does admittedly have far more cargo room. Passenger room isn't that different, though it's differently configured.

That's it for me. Plopping crap in the back and driving on a beach.

Emission
07-12-2004, 02:58 PM
The X5 holds baby/carseats better - and I have two of those in the back.

Scott ZHP
07-12-2004, 03:05 PM
The X5 holds baby/carseats better - and I have two of those in the back.

So do I (err, so does she).

SARAFIL
07-13-2004, 04:43 PM
Here are a few pics I snapped quickly. I'll post some better ones when it stops raining and I can clean it up a bit.

harplayr
07-14-2004, 07:33 AM
And harplayr, after have driven both cars the X3 and X5 right after each other, IMHO, the X5 is a better drive. Although I haven't driven the X3 with Servotronic steering, I think the X5 has a better feel over all. A feel that suits me better.That just goes to show you what I've been saying. X3 vs. X5 is purely subjective. I also took a spin in the X5 and many other SUV's out there before buying the X3. In my opinion the X3 had much better handling than the X5 and the others I tested. It felt the closest to the 325 that I was trading in. The X5 had a more "refined" ride and was smoother, but I felt that it had more lean, less road feel, and wouldn't grip and corner as well. To me the X3 had the superior ride, to you the X5 did. Neither one of us is wrong; itís just a matter of taste. Bottom line is that we both got what we wanted, and seem to be happy with our respective choices. We both won. :thumbup:

Bimmer me up
07-14-2004, 03:31 PM
Here are a few pics I snapped quickly. I'll post some better ones when it stops raining and I can clean it up a bit.

Very nice ride. Enjoy. I love the X3, but then, I love all Bimmers.

I just took delivery on X5 3.0i w/ Prem, auto, PDC, Rear Clim ó hot and humid in Louisiana.

After 4 years, I'm glad to be back in a BMW!

:thumbup:

SARAFIL
07-18-2004, 04:13 PM
A few more...

SARAFIL
07-18-2004, 04:14 PM
A few more...

Northern Song
08-12-2004, 08:41 AM
I noticed the bias in the two photos immediately. For a better comparison, here's an X3 interior along the lines of what you're talking about. It's probably not up to the X5, but it's certainly no disgrace.

http://www.germancarfans.com/photos.cfm/photoid/3030617.001/pageview/photo/photo/1126/size/regular/bmw/1.html

The pictures shown as a "comparison" are pretty well biased towards the X5, too. The X3 pictured has gray leather with the metallic trim on a gray background with poor lighting, whereas the X5 has nice, sumptuous beige leather and the nice light-wood trim, with good lighting. Given those two images, it's obvious that the X5 interior would look nicer. Replace the X3 pic with one that has wood trim and a rich leather color (like the Terra Cotta, or Sand Beige), and the differences will become much less pronounced and more representative of what one would expect to see in two cars that are in different "strata" of the BMW food-chain.

One question I have for people is related to comparison pricing. I see a lot of comparison between the pricing of the X3 v. X5 relative to what you get. As a 3 series driver, my perspective is more the price comparison between the X3 and my current 325xi. With the same options (premium, leather, cold weather, automatic), the pricing is very close and the extra space in the X3 and the X drive justify the additional cost. Is my logic flawed?

LeucX3
08-12-2004, 08:50 AM
One question I have for people is related to comparison pricing. I see a lot of comparison between the pricing of the X3 v. X5 relative to what you get. As a 3 series driver, my perspective is more the price comparison between the X3 and my current 325xi. With the same options (premium, leather, cold weather, automatic), the pricing is very close and the extra space in the X3 and the X drive justify the additional cost. Is my logic flawed?
I would say yes, but there are some people who prefer the wagon over the X3.

Northern Song
08-12-2004, 08:54 AM
I understand that and I like the wagon. The problem for me is that I have a rear-facing infant seat in the back. With the 325, I need to push the front seat so far forward that it is almost unusable. I would have the same problem in the wagon. The X3 is still a little tight, but at least functional.

I would say yes, but there are some people who prefer the wagon over the X3.

Andrew*Debbie
08-12-2004, 11:12 AM
We also got sticker shock when some normally-equipped X3 2.5's showed up with window stickers near $40,000. We knew the prices, but didn't think they'd get that expensive with only things like Leather, Auto, Premium, and Cold Weather Packages.


Explains why many of the X3 2.5s we saw on dealer lots had Steptronic and metalic paint as the only options. One local dealer had about a dozen with Black Sensatec.

They really wanted us to take one home :)

kyfdx
08-12-2004, 09:07 PM
I noticed the bias in the two photos immediately. For a better comparison, here's an X3 interior along the lines of what you're talking about. It's probably not up to the X5, but it's certainly no disgrace.

http://www.germancarfans.com/photos.cfm/photoid/3030617.001/pageview/photo/photo/1126/size/regular/bmw/1.html



One question I have for people is related to comparison pricing. I see a lot of comparison between the pricing of the X3 v. X5 relative to what you get. As a 3 series driver, my perspective is more the price comparison between the X3 and my current 325xi. With the same options (premium, leather, cold weather, automatic), the pricing is very close and the extra space in the X3 and the X drive justify the additional cost. Is my logic flawed?

I think you are right on the money with this observation... Take the 325xi, equip an X3 with similar options, add a little bump for new model and X-drive, and there is your pricing. I really doubt the X5 pricing had anything to do with it. None of you were really expecting it to be the same price or less than a 3-series, were you?

Our '03 325i MSRP was $38,145... They have '04 X3 2.5s on the lot at my dealer that MSRP for $39K-$40K that are similarly equipped.. Sure, you can add a lot of crap to jack up the price to $45K (PDC? folding mirrors? It isn't a Peterbilt, for chrissakes), but you won't see one on the lot that way. Like all BMWs, it is expensive, but pretty much as cheap as BMW can make it... I wouldn't tout it as a 'value' player, but it is nearly as cheap as the 3-series.

regards,
kyfdx

LeucX3
08-13-2004, 08:47 AM
Our '03 325i MSRP was $38,145... They have '04 X3 2.5s on the lot at my dealer that MSRP for $39K-$40K that are similarly equipped.. Sure, you can add a lot of crap to jack up the price to $45K (PDC? folding mirrors? It isn't a Peterbilt, for chrissakes), but you won't see one on the lot that way. Like all BMWs, it is expensive, but pretty much as cheap as BMW can make it... I wouldn't tout it as a 'value' player, but it is nearly as cheap as the 3-series.

regards,
kyfdx
I dunno...there were a lot of $40-42K X3 2.5s on my dealer's lot when i got mine. Yes, it doesn't make sense and that's when the trunk money or incentives or whatever they want to call them came about.

SARAFIL
08-13-2004, 09:30 AM
I dunno...there were a lot of $40-42K X3 2.5s on my dealer's lot when i got mine. Yes, it doesn't make sense and that's when the trunk money or incentives or whatever they want to call them came about.

Interesting to note that BMW currently has no incentives on the X3 (but they go have very good lease programs and financing), but we've managed to virtually sell out of them in the past month or so. This is very interesting because when the car was released, we were flooded with them, and everyone predicted it would flop.

I also think the shortage of 325xi's (we've been sold out for over two months) has helped us to sell the X3 2.5. We've definately seen alot of people come in on the 325xi, and go home thinking about the X3 2.5 instead.

And while BMW has been hush-hush on releasing MY05 info for the X3, the preliminary info I have seen indicates that BMW is working hard to address the bottom line cost and to make the "typically equipped" vehicle a better value. Stay tuned for updates, I'll post them as I get them.